the Cocktail Motor - a build like you have never seen!
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- This is an exotic SB 302 build that uses a variety of parts match only to the cylinder they are intended for.
It is being built for both output and show. after being completed it will be sold to the highest bidder with the proceeds going to Saint Jude's children's hospital.
though intended for a good cause the tech to be learned is none-the-less to sort of stuff that virtually all hot rodder's will go for. 
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Thank you so much for your dedication to the industry.
What a good ole boy. He'll I'm old and enjoy the old school style
I appreciate your time and experience DV!
Mr Vizard you remind me of my vocational education teacher. I know you are a great teacher and I would love to just be working with you, so many people keep this information to themselves. You Sir are a awesome person. Howard Cameron
This’s such a cool engine build. I was expecting to hear AFR or Dart cylinder heads, but cast iron heads. Cool! David V is my favorite engine builder because he gives all the specs of the build.
I love fast cars. But I love that you're raising money for St. Jude's hospital.
Very fascinating project! Thx and I’m glued to see what comes of this endeavor
Mr. Vizard, your content has completely changed the way I will be building my next TURBO engine. With the rough engine size in mind, I will be buying Heads first, upgrading to larger Exhaust valves, getting flow numbers BEFORE buying/ordering a camshaft, then continuing to build the rest. I love your content and have learned alot.
This is a great idea. Very interesting; i look forward to see how it turns out.
What an amazing thing to do . Keep up the great work
Looking forward to following the progression of this project.
I haven't seen a block with the lifter galley painted in over 30 years. Old timers did that after hot tanking their blocks so oil flowed better, dirt didn't cling to the cast iron, or some story like that.
Harley used to paint the insides of their motor cases because the aluminum castings were so porous, they would sweat oil thru. Red electrical motor paint IIRC.
Yep, Glyptol. You can hot tank an engine painted with it,and it doesn't come off.
@@Mercmad I wonder if you could get Glyptol to wick into a cylinder head crack then run just a 7 pound pressure cap on the radiator ??
G’day David. This engine build is something I have always wondered about - how a bunch of mismatched parts would work together (if assembled properly, of course). You are a truly inspiring person, and whenever you talk about something, I listen and take note. You have been an idol of mine for decades; ever since I first read Performance With Economy (which was already several years old by the time I read it.
Cheers, mate 😃👍🇦🇺
Drag racers have been using the AJPE 481X for years, has Hemi, BBC & Pontiac design. Essentially it is about 2.5 times cheaper to maintain than a Hemi and is designed to operate at lower rpm (relative to the Hemi) with more low end torque...
it's so good too hear your voice thanks David
Awesome concept, can’t wait.
Great info Sir .😎👍
Looking Good David, will be a great build...
I can't wait to see the rest of this build
Thank you for supporting Saint Jude's long time ago my boss auctioned off a bunnce of nascar parts to help them out. And other times also.
A SBF cocktail, awesome!
Was hoping SBC 302... oh well... more challenging to make power with a Ferd...
I like it love how you are donating it to st Jude.
Barry - they need all the help we can uster.
DV
Thanks again.
Thanks!
I'm a huge fan of you and Andy and that engine is a 💎!!
Thanks John!
David you really need to get a microphone 🎤 that works.
So overall is this video about using stock parts. That are different from each other. With different cylinder heads. And making it work really good. I can't wait DV
Some stock parts, some aftermarket... whatever is lying around and he can scrounge...
Thank you very much
I love Performance Distributors! I was thinking, what exactly is the biggest reason why i like them so much?
Because with so many things to worry about on a build, their parts ARE NOT one of them.
Piece of mind.
Hey Just - that is about the way I feel also!
I hope you are going to show the complete build and how it performed
Yea that's why on the 347 storker the cylinder go out of round because of thin casting of the Ford 302 block. Build a 351 windsor and call it a day😉
The only thing I can say with a HEI dizzy, is pull the cheap HEI module out instantly and replace it with an MSD one and you won't have any worries
The 351c or a Barra from Australia may do wonders for your bottom-line figures
Thanks David!
Richard Finn
These days everything is Boosted I’m familiar with diesel and air density is the game most guys use bigger turbos or compound and don’t take advantage of a cam or ported heads. Billy Godbold (COMP) and his low shock cam is really interesting to cut harmonics and resident frequency
David are you going to polish the bores like you have proven frees up hp. The first time I did it looked as if the rings wouldn't seal. Like always you were right or it would never been in print
A friend of mine had a fresh bore and plathoned block . 70 degree F I'm the shop. Winter time . When the shop heater kicks on. We checked the bore it changed . 0001
You got me thinking what would happen if you built half torque monster have high horsepower beast. Two different heads and a custom cam with two different grinds? I think if you were to try this the video would go viral and it would pay for it's self and some.
Just a friendly message to let you know that your microphone isn't audible from my right-side speaker. I've noticed this on many of your other videos also, but not all.
My veiw... torque plates do not simulate a running engines heat signatures, heated chamber distortion, and are half thought attempt at fixing something inadvertently designed to distort...but leaves out the operational variance. The bore takes a diff shape bottom, middle and top when up to running temp..then consider heat spikes. In general..things wear in... the bore will take shape with wear and whatever distortion is introduced. Cooling and reheating after start up, now think about that in why they say take a leak down test HOT. Thats what the torque plate leaves to be desired. Why not try..yes, of course...but let's paint the entire picture as to not misrepresent the diff between what we are attempting and the end result. As always, I very much enjoy your tech,stories..and appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and opinions with the masses.
Agreed. Would have to have a dyno comparison between an engine honed with no torque plate and one done with to see what the power difference was and more importantly for a street type build the test would need to be done on both identical setups after 500hours of runtime so things have had a chance to settle and break in as much as they are going to.
Leakdown tests are generally meaningless. After all you never run the engine at zero rpm. Bolting on the bell housing, motor mounts and especially the intake manifold on one of these engines all add some distortion to the block. Still using a torque plate gives better results than not using one for finishing the cylinder bores.
@@1WILDsMoPARtech I think that there are many many factors involved some of which can be accounted for and some that can't. Hot honing sounds interesting but it also sounds like it might make it tough to gauge. Then what does it do with an aluminum head vs one made from cast iron. The running engine vibrates and flexes the block around as the load changes from one firing impulse to the next. Having everything machined as nicely as possible has to help but there's probably a point where you can machine it more accurately and it just starts to not make any real difference. Maybe a lot of the reason why newer piston designs which are easier on the cylinder walls and ring sets that are more flexible help power is just because they can still manage to work reasonably well when everything is being thrown out of whack.
Dave, You are right on the money here. While doing a championship deal in the UK developing and driving a Cosworth Sierra we tried hot honing and it showed no gain in power. We also measured block distortion under full power conditions. The distortion could have been measured with a wooden rule!
@@bcbloc02 Absolutely, rooted in reality. Add the ring and finish choice as well. The best is always debatable. Lol
Hey David,
Tim here.......i just LOVE this idea of a "cocktail" motor......also, i'm a HUGE fan of St. JUDE!!!......i will pray TOP dollar will be paid, and i'm TOTALLY confident that it will make AWESOME power!!......i have a query : why do u like the HEI dist so much (besides the 1 wire).....my shop cant stand them, b'ccuz changing the curve is a pain, where i can change the bushing, and springs on an MSD in 10 min.......we have had GREAT luck on SBF, BBF, SBC, BBC, SB/BB MOPAR, AND Poncho's with the MSD.....if u can answer, please explain a bit.....maybe my shop shud keep an HEI around.....wud love to know......i believe this build is gonna be GREAT!!!.....i've read alot of ur books over the years, and you sir are an absolute MASTER!!.....i GOTTA know why u'd go with HEI ??.....PEACE, and look fwd to my next notification.......oh, yes, this vid hooked me, i AM subscribed!!...TY SIR!!
The HEI Chevy distributors that I play with have weights and springs and vacuum advance. Are you thinking of the later "computer" distributors ??
Do you finish hone the cylinders for the rings you'll use like Total Seal reccomends? In other words, if the rings are molly or cast iron, do you shoot for the proper oil retention in the cylinder, proper peaks and valleys for those rings?
According to Total Seal and many engine builders on the total seal podcast, the cross hatch and break in is everything. Cylinders don't break in over hours of running in a good engine and or does the cross hatch and rings wear hardly, according to a lot of smart people.
@@KimiWallrus total seal told me alot of this back in 03 when I had em do a set of top gapless for a VW TDI-m build.
They requested a ring sample ,and afterwards asked me to scare em up a set of oem rings as they liked the quality.
So for 30$ a hole back then I had top gapless rings and they worked great.
They should darn near seat up in all the turning over that happens while building it
(that's a joke)
Or within about 5mins of runtime you better have loaded em enough to seat them, otherwise they probably won't.
That thing barely made a leak down tester tickle the needle after 10k and a 20k mileage test.
Yes. I'll hone the cylinders and finish them by plateau honing. This allows the bore to be smooth yet still keep the deeper scratches(RvK) to help retain oil. I check this using a profilometer and sometimes adjust the honing process to get the desired finish.
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Thanks DV! v/r wh
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Not that it matters on this, but the head gasket is end for end backwards. LOL
OCD 😎
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Never heard the term cocktail build before. An online search doesn't even locate it. I've plenty of cocktail mechanical restoration on used cars though, with parts from the self-service yard. I've heard it called Frankensteining too. In standard performance, a part's a part, pretty much.
I think my racer friend Bill from the 1972 race series we were in came up with this. Good guy was Bill!!
Hi more interested did you finish honing that engine block with the broken Stone on your honor
I got those stones from a shop that does a lot of diesel engines and they came pre "crashed". I have two sets of 150's that are that way and it doesn't seem to make any difference because they are only used for rough sizing anyway.
High David will the IOP update be coming out in the near future thanks
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I bet you can put an LS head on an Austin B-series and build it into a hot street/strip engine.
No idea where you're located but I have a bunch of 302 parts if you need internals
St. Jude's gets it all
Cool info David!🤠1question ! What's your take on 180 degree headers claim around average 100 extra h.p ?? One exhaust pipe pulls other exhaust out acting like turbo ?? 🙋😎
Tried it never saw much!
@@marvingvx1 thanks for your time 🤠👍
Sir, I would've love to be your disciple, but I'm greatly appreciated that you share your knowledge for this later generations. I wish you the greatest of health and happiness. I dont know if youtube has PM, if so I would contact you. Thanks
any chance to do a series on the Rover v8?
Just wondering if his failure to bring all the head bolts for the torque plate might have skewed his measurements? He said that the block is flimsy.
Or get the block up to temp..along with the torque plate. Still not 100%, but better than 4 bolts and cold.
We'll see. I'm going to be working on finishing up the cylinders in the block this weekend.
It might be a good idea to kill off the auto-focus. It seems to have difficulty every time Dave waves his hand while he talks, going in and out of focus all the time, and it's playing havoc with the picture. Otherwise, it's Dave's usual performance - accurate, interesting, and full of character (and the occasional anecdote.) 🙂
did he say wooop any 351 motor, mmmmmm well i beg to differ my friend good old budy dave, you got yourself a RACE
OK turbo man 351w I may have been carried away with a little more enthusiasm than I should have done but please don't let that stop you contributing to a really good cause.
DV
@@marvingvx1 oooooo I was just kidding around with one of the best engine knowledge gentlemen on the planet, Dave you really inspire me a lot my friend 👏👏👏👏
Where can I bid on this? Love helping St jude
Why not give part numbers for a killer engine build using off the shelf parts if not for This engine for another buil auction that engine off That way people have a recipe with part numbers available or can purchase the recipe and the money be donated
When will next one show or what number if it's oud
Ive seen guys use rocker ratios to max air flow, based on runner length, but this one takes the cake ,over boring the 4 outer cylinders with over size pistons ?
Yeah, was wondering about piston to bore clearance...
@@BuzzLOLOL depends most bores are 5 thou clearence
@@tomashton1781 - Uh... no... most pistons are cast and 1 1/2 thou... forged 3-4 thou... even at 3-4 you often get piston slap noises that owners complain about...
@@BuzzLOLOL im talking about the four outer cylinders being bored .like 60 over, with over sized pistons
@@tomashton1781 - I'm talking about them 'using whatever pistons they have lying around'... are they going to fit closely? .060's overbore on 350's tends to leave waffling paper thin cylinder walls when going for high HP...
I have a set of 4.00” pistons you can have. 3.25 stroke 5.4 rod.
Can I say Stock elimtor. Super stock and others?
Why not a raffle? Personally I’d think that would raise the most.
Man, those lifter bores look waaay outta wack!! Core shift much? Unless it's an optical delusion from the video, I'd never use a block with that bad of core shift.
When is the follow up video plz at vizard
This channel is dead for now, find his other channel called David Vizard.
Still an issue with no right audio, same video, the other guys audio was fine.
In the Ford world 302/351 both good. Chevy 305/350 not so much. Why did the 305 never have the potential the 302 had? What was fundamentally wrong with the 305?
Small bore size.
Why? Because you can.
There is No "THANKS" Button when viewing this video on my android tablet, and I tried on 2 different browers, (Chrome and Samsung) however if I change the browsers into "Desktop Site" mode, the THANKS button appears.
Most people watching this, I'm guessing, do not use "Desktop Site" mode, so maybe you are missing out on income ?
I see it just fine using Google app on Android.
If you're using head studs, I don't think torque plates are needed.
I am old school for 'There is no replacement for displacement.' I must have HDADDOCD and get stuck on the SBC 400. The 350 is nice, but the 400 can go to 468, but I get the feeling that 427/434 CID is more logical. Most shops in the area try to talk me out of the 400 block and stay with the 350. This is mostly because of the local oval track displacement limits. I was in the zone with an 850+ HP SBC 400 outlaw dirt track drifting at 90 MPH and faster. Nothing like the thrill of coming out of a corner sideways and pulling the front tires!!
I was in a bad car crash and had 7 surgeries delayed for 9 years, and soon after a bad heart attack with hypoxia that wiped out most of my memory, though some has been returning. Do you have any dyno data for a 427/434 SBC for street capabilities with an automatic?? Yeah, I like a manual, but a machinery operator for decades, I think my left leg is 2 inches larger than the right from operating a clutch and pedal steering for decades. I am curious to know if the newer 8 or 10 speed auto's have any advantage over the 4 speed auto or even the 2 speed Powerslide (old school term - the new term is drifting), I mean Powerglide??
Jeffrey, sorry to hear of your unfortunate crash.
I agree with your 'no substitute for cubes'. Terry ,at Terry Walters engines and I (and probably Jack as well) have just started on a long term 468 inch small block.
The head castings for me to rework arrived a couple of days ago.
Take care Jeff - I want to see a bunch more posts from you!
DV
@@marvingvx1 David, Thanks. It has been a rough 31 years, but I calculate I am improving - I am getting back into performance SBC. I have an 84 Camaro Z28 that I want to put something in. It has a 'Grocery Getter' 305 right now. Probably 175 Hp if I push on the dash. Hahahahahaha!
I have a CNC milling machine and lathe so I can now do much of the work I use to contract out for.
What heads are you using?
Thanks. I will post when I can contribute.
Jeff
@@marvingvx1 I don't have the data any more - ex had destroyed a bunch of my documents - but I am curious to know the flow of heads with 220 cc runners could flow enough for the 468 SBC or if the 245 cc would be needed. I haven't crunched the numbers yet, but will the SBC heads flow enough through the bowl for the 468 to achieve 6000 to 7000 RPM? At 7000 RPM that would be 947.9167 (948) CFM. Probably when I crunched the numbers decades ago intake runners were only 180 to 220 cc. That is why I was considering to stay with 427/434 CI range. The 468 would be a torque monster! I like sleepers. I told everyone that my 406 was a 305.
your might think this is a joke but it not I was stuck in canada for summers a guy named Beverly- short was Bev to his friends, i fixed his brother cycle to run on there gas from pump & a hot corvette too, he said a relation of his would like like and talk like me (you do) might become known as a Cocktail motor! his brother & him travel the Us & Canada, my uncle was hard of hearing that how i ended up there in canada I before that worked for us government & contractor( ok mob & or racing engine used the fuel changes of Alike & nitro I was part of a test crew a turbo cycle in 1984 & 1983 the guy won the racing title and quit, & i was hit with a car & found to be with a blood illness( now it was blood cancer controlled) by my uncle ps not same line as the one in Canada stood on a drag strip watched a car wreck hut the driver I quit right then the next weekend the owner let me in & go around the last time i saw a fuel car the driver scott K the son of the bounty hunter he owns a flying service it bears his last name starts with a K, he spoke to me in 1984 he said stay here don't leave he came back i don't know what this means the info you need back home in where your from, your family ok this was uncles info of blood cancer break threw on his blood blood thinner was found and figured out, it even gets stranger, my bosses were getting me out they sent me away to drive a little LUV truck your never believe who God brought there a Mr Gates & first gen IBM computer, ok i told in no way to miss this your job to change this computer the way it was access & used, & linked to internet & filing (if any of this was off I not lived threw this illness I was 100% scared this is it i gonna loose my leg and it over) a lady doctor walked in and said if this guy your uncle we can fix this how we have records and samples of his blood to figure out what wrong with you! this was 2016 to like 2019 to get what and why it was in your family line, 1984-2019 it a long time! I setting here on a computer to you with a bad bicep in my right arm I a shooter & fisher man and boater alone! my mother was cancer line my father was a boat worker for rangerboat, i was adopted every thing was sealed 3 names known father mother and uncle-one lived threw blood cancer, my real dad asked info in 1963 on me court approved it threw my uncle!
Boy that music is terrible the show is good
Looks like an "engine", not a motor.
Henry called it "FORD MOTOR COMPANY"
Reminds me of a guy that had a 429 Cobra Jet engine that asked me " Do you want to see my motor?" Enthusiastically I said yes. At the time I was a high school student. He popped the hood and said, "there's a motor" pointing at the wiper motor, then pointing at a blower motor. Around 1977
@@mikekokomomike Have you ever heard of people using cars to race around a track real fast.... called: "MOTOR SPORTS"
And don't forget people calling Motocross Motor Cross lol
Please get rid of that music it's terrible
Does anyone even bother with the 5.0 anymore? Why would you go through all this trouble when you can have a real engine like the 4.8,5.3,6.0,6.2 cheap. can we move on from the 90's please?
Maybe because they need a smaller and lighter engine for their application.
They are still very much in demand as is the know-how on mods for them.
DV
I must be living in an alternate universe.
Your the best watcha got 4 360 sprent cars HHR rrr
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