Street Epistemology: Yvette | Signals from a Living Energy
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Recorded: 7 April 2016
Released: 18 Mary 2016
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Summary: Yvette is 80 percent sure that a God of living energy sends signals to communicate important guidance which she can either choose to accept or ignore before making a decision.
I really enjoyed this talk because it was more of a back-and-forth conversation and less of an interview. I'm optimistic that I will eventually run into Yvette again so that we can continue examining the reliability of her belief system.
As you can see from the blurring, I had to make a few edits to the footage, including a few censor beeps at the end of the talk to protect the interlocutors that were reluctant to disclose their lack of belief on camera.
Note: I ran into Yvette in the parking lot a few days after this chat occurred. While our brief, second chat was not filmed, she expressed concern over the viewer comments that might be posted after watching several of my videos with different interlocutors.
It did not occur to me at the time (or I would have suggested it to her) that I have the ability to disable comments on specific videos. Disabling comments on videos is not something that I prefer to do (particularly when an interlocutor pushes back and challenges my motivations [something I am sure viewers would love to weigh in on!]), but I will honor her request if it comes to that.
In between traveling, bad weather, and other commitments, I returned to the trail several times since our second discussion in the parking lot, hoping to run into Yvette and offer her the option to have the video comments disabled, but that was unsuccessful (one of the reasons why this video was not released much sooner).
When/if I do run into Yvette again (or she decides to email me) there is a chance she may opt to have the comments disabled on this video, to which I will comply. Thank you for your understanding in advance of this potential outcome.
After watching this video, please free to offer Yvette some words of encouragement, as there is a good chance she will one day see this video and read the comments.
Mistakes: Please let me know if you spot any.
Recorded w/Go-Pro. Edited w/PowerDirector.
The views addressed here are mine and mine alone, and are not necessarily shared by members of my family and friends.
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I did feel a little sorry for her that she had to hold that drink for an hour. She needed two hands toward the end.
Lot of good questions and answers here. Her phrase toward the end "I guess it doesn't really matter" is a real testament to the power of your street epistemology.
She was quite smart and well-spoken. I certainly encourage her to continue thinking about these issues.
I choose to believe what makes me feel good. - Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!
well me too, but coming at it from the atheist angle. SE applies to atheists as much as believers, otherwise it wouldn't work.
@@HarryNicNicholas and R5d4d2; The human brain is coded to believe stuff, see connections where there are none, and reward you with endorphins if you do good to others. Social responsibility is a survival strategy invented by evolution. as we all know, evolution has no direction, it only reacts, so even elevating empathy to having intrinsic value, is akin to religion, adding spiritualism, is worse as it ascribes the universe or whatever intent om top of these feelings. Yet we are all still suckers, and we like loving relationships and our kids doing good in school, but it is not meaning, even if it feels like it!
I'm just realizing that i've never talked about my beliefs to my 4 children, the younger don't even have the idea of god. They don't even believe to Santa, they just play the game because it's fun. I never thought about it before. But i have beliefs, i just keep it for myself because it changes a lot with time. Maybe being French plays a role... Thanks for these videos because it's shaking my mind in a pleasant way! 😊
Consider educating them about the idea about God, you want your kids to be smart right? Intelligence is knowledge and God is apart of it whether it's true or not
Imagine if another kids asks about Santa or God and they have never even heard about them, only shame will occur when it could be confidence
+MrSwartc they know who is Santa, but about god i have no idea of how i may talk about people's beliefs... Thought here, in France, religion rarely appears in conversations and talking about it is forbidden at school and any public areas. Will i teach them that some people believe in something they hardly define and call god? I'll consider it.
+MrSwartc but you hit a point, thanks!
Céline Guilbert Well it seems like you live in a place where they do not need to know much details. That must be nice. I live in Canada and there is lots of talk about God around here. Kids are indoctrinated very young here. It is sad around here. I guess you don't need to explain too much to them, also let them know there is thousands of them. Take care now :)
Well hopefully Yvette checks out your channel because I quite liked this talk :) and hopefully both you and her enjoyed it as well.
Great conversation. I don't really agree with Yvette but I like her a lot.
It's so fun to watch and listen to how your politeness and friendly approach enables people to open up and become a more open. You, Sir, are amazing!
Yvette is a fascinating person and I loved this talk. I'm hopeful that we will have another chance to speak again on camera soon.
Thanks Yvette! Awesome talk. Your honesty and reflection was great to listen to. :)
PS I'm Australian, have been following Anthony's channel from the beginning, and I'm always amazed how many people agree to talk on camera unblurred. Maybe Aussies are a little more reticent than Americans.
Honest, this is actually the only channel I check daily for new content (no pressure, right? Hahaha). Learning so much. Super good long talk, Yvette's cool.
Still have perma-grin from Ryan's video. As always, thanks!
After a bereavement, I talk with my two children about mortality and concepts associated with it. Thanks to this channel I go out of my way to not be didactic but encourage curiosity. I don't tell my kids what to think but I have shared stories of famous frauds and ask my kids to guess motives, outcomes etc... Great talk and I like how she stood her ground
Anthony, you're videos have been VERY helpful. Thanks for helping us learn how to better interact with religious people. Please keep up the awesome work!
I've had quite a ride. Atheist from early childhood. At 17 I had a "mystical" experience that convinced me for about a dozen years that the Christian god was real. But even after my return to atheism, I was convinced for many years that a "living energy" exists. It took a good look into things for those mystical beliefs to finally fade. Now, I feel, that I'm completely free of any magical thinking. Including karma, energy, signs, feelings, spirits. All these seem very real, while you believe them.
***** Right! Signs were a good one. If you look for them, they start popping up everywhere and they become convincing very quickly. But I think about halfway through my journey through atheistic mysticism, I figured "signs" out, and realized they were very arbitrary and likely a mind trick. So I stopped looking for them. Now and then I'll notice some coincidence and laugh at how I used to be convinced of the "complete proof" I was seeing. Lol!!
***** Well put.
+7strawman I'd consider myself still stuck in that kind of thinking but that's def something I've done before. I keep getting signs but I don't ask for them directly. But I've gone through times of asking and getting a confirmation like that
+7strawman yea to me as of now they all do. I lean to the "may" over "may not" side right now
5 minute conversation....45 minute later...lol.
That's how you can tell that you didn't just waste five minutes in that conversation.
it's like when the audience ask questions in debates, "i've one quick question" 45 mins later "what i'm trying to say is" lol
Outstanding. Love her honesty, so refreshing. Great interview.
What a great chat. It's great when people really get engaged & want to explore these kind of things in a deep way. What a privilege to get to hear people explore these kind of personal insights. Great job.
Really interesting talk. She has some interesting things to say, like "I don't even know what you is".
This approach is the way forward.
I live in Texas and we've chatted on line once. I always get this knot in my brain/thinking when the idea comes up that "people should be allowed to believe what they want. Free to think what they will." Most non believers hiccup at this point....and I noticed that you took time to think about how to respond when she turned the table and asked "aren't you just trying to get people to believe what you believe." I find that atheist like yourself that are sensitive to others feelings have difficulty with this. I do as well because I want to be fair. But, you can't separate people from their beliefs and their beliefs manifest in their actions. Bad or dangerous ideas have a way of making headlines. Just as believing in things that are not even close to what we can verify scientifically can populate the world with functioning morons. Both scenarios are dangerous at best and deadly at worst. This is why I watch your channel. It comforts me to see a conversion or the planting of a seed
keep up the good work Anthony
I wish my life was as easy as Anthony's. I would love to stay at home with my 2 little dogs and 14 cats. I HATE going to my job.
Does anyone find it more frustrating to talk to people who have a new age view on the universe as opposed to just normal religion?
It always seems like they have a pseudo understanding of science and their beliefs are never completely defined.
right, like her just throwing out that "delta hypnotic state" thing about children, very frustrating...
+Justin Perea
A deistic God is clearly more difficult (but not impossible) to dispute than a theistic God. Largely because the careless and fallible humans who created the biblical God provided so much more evidence for a concocted deity that was entirely man-made.
An example of a meme in motion. It illustrates the potential damage an out of control belief (based on faulty data) can cause when it careens head-on with an easily impressionable mind.
Yes & no. I used to be pretty 'New Agey' in my 20s & 30s & reading the God Delusion wiped out most of my wooly thinking & made me a hard nosed rationalist heavily into science. But the more I learn about science -especially quantum mechanics the more I realise nobody knows what's going on! The woo brigade like DeepQuack Chopra like to pretend they do. A few scientists like to imagine they do too if they feel confident that ultimately everything could be naturalistically explained. But this I find highly unlikely -but that doesn't mean 'supernaturalism' is a more plausible answer! It's not, it's just pretending a mystery is somehow a 'known' by special pleading. 'Whereof which one cannot speak, thereof which one must remain silent.' Wittgenstein
"When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing - they believe in anything."
- Émile Cammaerts (misattributed to G.K. Chesterton)
She is the one with THE most correct beliefs on this channel so far. She knows exactly what is true and how to navigate life. Good job Yvette for setting a perfect example!! 👏👏👏
Now I know you’re trolling me.
Think this is one of you most open and honest discussions you've had, from the start, saying whats going to happen and what you want etc ..
And what a brilliant session, faith bingo !!!! ...
'living energy' is what my brother kinda believes so was a good one for me to follow !
large pauses on the comfort section ! comfort bingo ! ... how is that true i was saying ! ....
did wonder why you didnt explore that, and make the point of comfort is not a way to truth.
That laugh at 14:28. You are getting so good man!
I saw you on the Atheist Experience; that's what led me here. I really like your non-confrontational methods of discussing these topics with people. I'm glad I found you!
"how certain are you?" that's a great approach, so many benefits to phrasing it that way.
There's a podcast I believe would interested her, "The college info geek". It does deals with college stuff but also a lot about entrepreneurship and has a lot of good advice.
Being guided by feelings is good when our feelings are based on good and correct information. Over thinking is of course bad, over learning is not.
Smart girl.. she was very rational.. and seems like a good mom.
P.S.
I love how she reversed it at the end and did a little SE on him, lol
Her belief in love vs fear determining truth would be interesting to explore more deeply if you talk to her again.
Also the belief that everyone has a purpose and that there is one thing that everyone is better at than everyone else would be an good discussion.
I love the golden cheek warbler picture you threw in there.
Very enjoyable interaction I don't think Yvette has much to worry about with regards comments.
14:39
Deepity of the day: “Every belief and action that comes out of love is true and everything that comes out of fear is not true.”
+7strawman
I'm surprised Yvette didn't add the once popular New Age inanity, "We attract what we fear".
I had family members into that hooey. It damaged them for life.
Those who manage to free themselves from the self-inflicted shackles of fallacious belief constantly amaze me. I am aware that such a liberation process requires the courage to dismiss long held, established beliefs once thought to be indissoluble, irrefutably true and necessary for survival.
+jeffersonianideal I think you have to apply the principle of charitable interpretation here. She even elaborated for you that she didn't mean that in every case. She was probably stating a feeling, even if not particularly well.
I do appreciative your response. Yes, I agree that Yvette's insolvent beliefs might gain her admittance as a charity case.
Anthony is a respectful brother so many Atheist I have met are not.I am new to confessing my Atheism and so far not really thrilled with some of the people I have met.They start judging me from my accent and the fact I was christian for so long takes a lot of time to get rid of the terms we use everyday.I want good for all and true freedom in knowledge not in religion:)
I can actually relate to some things she says... specifically about finding comfort in believing there's a higher power who's on your side and "helping" (for lack of a better word) things work out well in your life.
I was a Christian for 30+ years before ultimately leaving the church/faith/religion... but it can be a tough transition to agnosticism/atheism... I would say especially on 2 fronts: 1) losing all the Christian community you had and 2) feeling alone in the world/universe... that there's no more God to pray to, that there's no longer that God who loves you / has your back, etc. I've been through all that personally... and although yes, it's empowering to take your life in your own hands fully for the first time... there's still the flip side of that coin which is that sometimes you still feel weak and unable to rise above your weakness/frailty as a simple human, and it can be easier and more comforting to rely on the higher power to guide you through tough decisions & experiences, etc. For that reason alone I totally get why people choose to believe in a God / higher power, despite lack of concrete evidence/proof... simply because it helps them survive in a harsh world or that quite simply it just makes them feel good. I can hardly fault people for that.
I didn't expect you not to know about intelligence squared; Actually a great number of religion-related debates have been covered on that program.
Is it a British series? I think I may have seen a debate with Christopher Hitchens and somebody else, and then the audience voted afterwards a few years ago. Is that the same show?
+Anthony Magnabosco The one with Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry? She was right in that intelligence squared debates are very good.
+Anthony Magnabosco Hitchens and Fry (atheists) Vs Widdicombe and some African priest (Catholics) debating whether the Catholic Church is a force for good. There's also Murray and Hirsi Ali (atheisst) Vs Nawaz and some woman (Muslims) debating whether Islam is a religion of peace, among others.
there are also a couple with Lawrence Krauss as a guest and at least one with Dawkins as a guest. I've always liked the host. they also started doing an American version and it's not just about religion. they cover all kinds of highly debated topics, definitely worth a watch!
in fact, after just getting to the part where she mentions intelligence squared i now think she's referring to the American version, the Australian original version (at least the ones I've seen) have all been more panel discussions whereas the American versions have been more experts on both sides debating like she said
I hope you talk to her again! That was really interesting. Hopefully she does think about the talk even though she said she wouldn't.
I think that thinking is the root of all my problems.
I enjoyed this type of conversation, and would like to have these kinds of conversations, too. I'm not sure why, but it really bothered me that she never once took a sip of her coffee during the entire interview. Yvette seems like a lovely, genuine, smart woman doing the best she can to make the world better and live happily.
Yvette had some great questions for Anthony. I really like the question of whether being an atheist was a self empowering feeling. For me, it felt more "empowering" being told you are in the "true" religion. I think enlightenment is a better word. And since Anthony doesn't truly defend Atheism in his talks, there is much more he could have said that would indeed be enlightening.
I loved that Yvette asked her questions and pushed back a bit.
You've gotten a lot better at SE, since this interview.
If deciding to talk to someone is 'awesome' then the word has lost its relevancy.
+PolemicContrarian That's an awesome observation dude!
+PolemicContrarian Language shifts over time. Something else will take that word's prior place.
like listening to certain musics while listening to these . Currently 'Oneohtrix Point Never - Russian Mind' album . Great combo for me
Kind of a dangerous method of thinking, in that she hopes that the good things that happen were meant for her and not just coincidence. The same goes for teaching her son that he's special and is here for a purpose.
The danger is when things go wrong it will very likely seem that the "living energy" has abandoned you and you may somehow not be worthy of its help or grace or whatever you want to call it.
Terribly naive.
6:40, passerby found something worth looking at that isn't blurred out. lol
+FreethinkingSecularist she dooooooo
You probably cannot spot it during the entire video, but I believe my blue backpack was leaning up against the railing that Yvette ended up standing near.
+FreethinkingSecularist LMFAO! Or maybe he believes if he stares hard enough his X-ray vision powers will kick it?
The IQ Squared debates she mentioned are indeed interesting. It's worth checking out the Steven Novella/Sean Carroll debate vs. a couple of believers on the topic "Death Is Not Final". Both Steve and Sean should do more of those sorts of debates, as they are great spokesmen for skeptical thinking/atheism. Anyway, I agree with another poster that the new agey, energy, God-is-in-everyone types can be especially frustrating. And I was surprised to hear that Anthony has actually moved UP on the scale of belief. Is that so, Anthony? Can I interview YOU about that?? We may need to talk, my friend. :-)
Seems this is available on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/cBh9P6ypiFY/видео.html -- I haven't watched it yet, but sounds interesting, and thought I'd share it for easy finding by others who are curious.
Hi Yvette!
conversations like this give me hope that when the lives and lifestyles of these "comfortable" sheltered naive people are finally less secure and easy, when a national or global crisis occurs, they will abandon these silly energy beliefs. This convo simply demonstrates how people have such carefree lives that they have no need to even reflect on the meaning of life.
One of the dangers that I haven't heard mentioned with regards on believing due to one's feelings/gut/instinct is when said person is high in trait neuroticism (whether with the withdrawal sub-trait, the volatility sub-trait, or both), let alone if they have a personality disorder (such as borderline personality disorder). Someone like Yvette may say that they believe out of fear and not love, but that's largely out of their control due to the environment in which they were raised (which throws free will out of the window).
I might have missed it, but I think it would've been interesting to learn where she learned of the concept of a "Living Energy."
Also, seeing Anthony being questioned was quite interesting, especially with regards to his agenda.
Anthony, Julia Galef (of the Rationally Speaking podcast) interviews David McRaney about why it's so hard to get people to change their beliefs, and it overlaps quite a bit with your technique. At the end he goes over a BUNCH of books that have come out recently on this subject. Google it! The show aired April 3, 2016.
Thanks. I've listened to that show twice several weeks ago. Even tweeted at McRaney: crickets.
I left a comment about your channel on Julia's comment page. Also, Julia answers emails (not all, but a fair percentage: I'd say about 5 out of 10 that I've sent over the last year). You might make a good guest on the show!
That was a masterclass.
man she's a smart one really! good video..
I am on the 3-5% on your scale as well but I like her and think she is at least willing to listen and re evaluate her beliefs regardless of what she says in this video... so that's a good thing...
I find I agree with most of the time, except for the attributions to the super natural.
She seems great. Very down to earth but obviously believing in something that isn't justified but if she isn't hurting anyone with her beliefs, than fine. =)
How certain are you her beliefs have never hurt anyone or herself directly or indirectly? General speaking I agree with you. But I wanted to challenge it because deeply I disagree. If she has children, her children will grow up hearing this stuff, and will effect them. One more analogy, spawning from her words about "you can never be certain about anything". Well throw away everything you know, grass is not green, and we are not certain that drinking battery acid is not good for the body
+MrSwartc Grass is blue and drinking battery acid can be good for your health, just don't drink it undiluted. Or too much of it.
It is an interesting debate as to whether we need to be told we are special, or just products of a universe in entropy? Do you think being told you are special makes you better prepared for life.
Interesting Conversation, I do wish you would not fish so much for self confirmation. I would also feel good if someone said "this talk made me think, and changed the way I search for the truth" but when fishing for it, the talk turns a little weird.
It's not in the interest of self-esteem, it's to get closer to an effective method. Perhaps if he included an optional survey after the discussion?
12:00 this is a very prevalent religious AND secular concept of many people’s world views. It seems to provide of kind of comfort, some times. But very problematic in application, and can cause people extra stress about deviating from imagined predestined tracks that their lives were Suposed to be on. And most troubling this vague yet powerful belief makes people susceptible to buying into whatever life plan they are told is The Right One, and leaves them much less open to consider revising it, if they believe their first conception of how they should live was Devine/manifest destiny.
I think there are more stable motivation for pursuing life goals which feel most important and fulfilling to us, without the unnecessary worry about “Destiny.”
The only things in our lives that are pre-destined are puberty and death, and taxes. haha everything else is up to us to decide to do, or up to chance.
I understand metaphorical thinking Can have some healthy applications for some circumstances, as long as a person retains some ability to compartmentalize it from their understanding of what is Actual reality, but I personally don’t find it more comforting to accept the role of coincidence in my life, and develop the skills and will to change the things I can, and move through the mourning process for expired possibilities of paths my life could’ve taken.
Great use of silence in this one, especially towards the end. She made some statements that could be better thought out and you just let it simmer for a moment ;)
I'm not sure what is intended by the use of the term "energy". If we assume people are born with a purpose in mind (whose mind?), are being guided through their life by an outside intelligence and presumably are assigned an afterlife based on their life, why would you call a thinking and purposeful entity like that "energy" instead of the personal god you're actually describing? Isn't that a distinction without a difference so the person can feel less ridiculous (not sure if that's the right word) and/or pinned down about their god belief?
39:56 "It's good to be sceptical"
It's all about da feelinz...no matter if it is logic or makes any sense. Not a very good way to make big decisions.
6:40 That guy is so smooth xD
Always the women who are relativists. "It's true for me." "There is no such thing as truth." "Everyone has their own truth." etc, etc, etc. Very few men say this.
What's your point?
Tim Daugherty I found this difference between men and women fascinating, so I wanted to share.
I'm getting a sense of hostility from you. Do you find this observation offensive?
36:30 wow. Big progress of thought by the end.
Maybe you need to just stick around for 40 minutes before you can see the thought progress happen in people.
Good for her. She wants to be honest with herself.
39:15 and she’s smart to be skeptical (even to the point of cinycle distrust) because she’s no fool, and just doesn’t know yet you’re one of the rare RUclipsrs with consistent integrity.
Anthony PC I think I agree with much of your assessment of Yvette and that was a very kind thing to say about me. Thank you.
A good talk, but I found Anthony's comments at the very end of the video the most interesting, that some of the students admit to him privately they're not as much of a believer as they said they were on camera. I'm hoping he bleeped the numbers out because they were significantly higher than people might have expected.
Anthony, do you wear sunglasses/shades during the interview? There's no doubt about how bright it is out there, but does the ability to clearly see someone else's eyes direct/affect a conversation in any particular way?
I almost never wear sunglasses, even though it is very bright outside and one of my eyes is particularly sensitive to bright light. A baseball cap usually suffices for me. If I had a preference, I'd like to be able to see the eyes of my conversation partner. But I wouldn't feel comfortable asking them to remove their eyewear. In my talk with Kari, she asks if she should take off her sunglasses, to which I said "whatever makes you more comfortable".
It's interesting that two interlocutors (I think Katie was the second) now in the vids I've watched recently have suspected that Anthony wouldn't blur their faces even though he promised that he would. And I start asking if it's because such underhandedness is something they'd expect from an atheist, or whether it's something that they expect from humanity in general. I find it interesting that people who believe in a supernatural agency that eventually works things out for the best harbor such cynicism.
GuerillaBunny We're talking about two data points here, so I wouldn't draw any conclusions from it. It is interesting to note, however, that people show skepticism on many things in their daily lives, but then make an exception for their supernatural claims.
Oh, yeah, the sample size is definitely small, and not indicative of anything universal. Yvette's attitude in particular seemed like she was expecting you to betray her trust, and the breach would be an act of malice rather than forgetfulness. Overall I got the feeling like she was holding back, perhaps trying to send out the positive rather than something she was really feeling. I could be wrong, though.
But the thought I was trying to express was that even someone who isn't really that attached to religion or gods might still view atheists as untrustworthy. Then again, that view might not be entirely unjustified, judging by the way atheists often talk about believers.
I am 100 percent sure I watched this video! Anthony you need to question stupid statements a little more, You sort of agreed with her instead of disagree on something very easily challenged!
But love your shows, your awesome
Anthony at 19:35, she mentions how she wants to teach her child he is exists for a specific purpose, is special, gifted, and can do something better in his life than anyone else in the world. You asked a great question to this. In which she answered "both." I wonder if this has more to do with personal views of superiority over others and/or desire to feel unique, similar to those that believe in predestination. The claim that you (or your child) can do any one thing better than ANYONE else in the world seems arrogant. Even the most exceptional people will be the first to shine light on someone else who can do what they are genius at better (i.e., Einstein). It seems to me this is just as much as a dishonest belief as the god belief. I dunno, maybe there is just a lack of humility here and/or combination of insecurity and desire to be special over the average reality.
I was tempted to ask Yvette if she was familiar with Joyce Dahmer, who may have also felt at one time that her son Jeffrey was born to do something very special. But I didn't want to erect defenses on something kind of off-topic to our main discussion.
+Anthony Magnabosco good point.
+Anthony Magnabosco I think that when you define your scale about the god belief you are not being accurate enough. Because I am sure that the value you assign will not be the same if I ask you about the christian god, Zeus, or a deity that created everything and never intervened again. I would guess that the last one would have an extremelly higher value than the other two..
It would also be interesting when you ask people about this scale on their god, that they also say the value they assign to any other random god that you might think of. I really think that it will give you much more things to work with.
+Anthony Magnabosco
"true for you"...i've had multiple discussions with the same person about religion and morality and they tend to end up saying that same thing. it usually goes something like "well that's true for them and what you're saying is true for you" and i've always found it extremely difficult to get past that as it seems like a way to end the conversation, a kind of "agree to disagree" stance
do you have any advice for trying to get past that kind of road block? i realize you did in this video but was just looking for any more specific advice, what not to do, what to do, etc.
thanks!
It's becoming particularly troublesome, isn't it? I'm starting to encounter that so much that I've created a playlist called relativism - - please check it out. I'm experimenting with a few new approaches, so keep an eye out in that playlist going forward. You may find my recent talk with Jackie of interest, by the way.
truly is, thanks for the response!
I will teach my children to defend themselves from other people's harmful worldviews. But we shouldn't have to be worried about teachers imposing their personal, potentially dangerous beliefs, onto their (the childrens) impressionable young minds. That is not what the STATE pays them for.
You have absolutely no idea that there is not a small pile of lasagna in the middle of every traffic intersection in America. I am talking about superparametalasagna.
Hah.. she's a Pantheist!
I knew it.. i was waiting for it and she said it: 38:00 and 38:27
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You are very kind. But I have no interest in making any money from this endeavour.
Do you ever do this over Skype? I'm interested in doing one
I like her.
I like the fear talk the best at 30:00. Yvette, I thought, was also living in fear or retribution, like terrorized christians, but she says she isn't and that she even stopped going to the terrorist churches because of the terrorism, which is a great move. There's still determinism in her god belief. When things go "wrong" does she blame this god as she does when things go "right"?
She seems quite open to freely thinking about things. I'm wondering if she and people like her believe in an afterlife. I get the impression many believers believe in God because that supposedly makes a heavenly afterlife seemingly much more possible, even some that take a much more liberal view. Sometimes it seems that's what they are really after.
start watching at 26:50
Why? I would say watch it from the beginning
I was a Christian for many years, and recieved no wisdom or direction EVER from that so called God. I want my time and money back.
9:30 this is becoming a common theme too (yeah i'm from the future i know) that she's 80% sure, but she says "you need to have doubt for it to work" which implies she's at 20% really, like the guy who doesn't want to do things just because he thinks god is watching, but is 100% sure god exists. i know it's not easy to resolve these things for joe public, but you'd think the paradox would be a little more obvious.
17:40 odd how people can start to be more honest when they think the interview is done, she just went from that 80% to "yes, doubt isn't a bad thing" undoing her paradox a bit.
19:30 i was a stay at home dad too, and i tried (and failed of course) to bring up a son with an open mind, and it has always plain to me that parents and grown ups talk to children in a certain way, which i've tried to avoid, when i meet kids of any age, 0-whatever i always ask "how are they treating you?" regardless, or "have you got everything you need?", i think it's a shame adults don't ask their kids opinions, but expect to tell their kids everything, 0-7 is an amazing time of development and kids are extraordinary at that age, and it's a unique opportunity to get insight into how a "blank" mind operates. i'm not sure it can be avoided, but it feels like a crime to dictate to kids what there beliefs should be, or how they should behave, but it's part of instilling responsibility. i used to hate kids in my youth until i started helping out with underprivileged and special needs kids, and then i realised i prefer kids to adults, you get the truth undiluted from them, and they will talk about anything with equal enthusiasm (or equal boredom for that matter). i wonder if she asks her son "what do you think?"
is the fear of discomfort mean your not coming from a right place?
12:39 ... Say it! haha I’m one of those people who believe in coincidence, and I comfort myself in ways which don’t conflict with seeking truth.
Oh, then you will probably like my talk with Nick.
@28:49 LOL!!
Not believing in a God doesn't give you anything to be proud of, or special powers. Not unless you were brainwashed to think of yourself as worthless and broken without a God belief to begin with. Then I can see how it could give someone a short term rush of empowerment.
My identity and hard won self-worth is based on what I know to be true about myself and my accomplishments. I know I can become an angry human when someone tries to hijack my provable self respect, and become emotionally and psychologically dependent on their imaginary God woo woo. =D
Interesting interocular. She really threw my at the start. She certainly challenged you at the end about why you perform these interventions. It's good that she made you think.
She referenced Intelligence Squared. Here's a great talk ruclips.net/video/h0YtL5eiBYw/видео.html
Just my thoughts on this conversation. Sometimes in life it is easy to become paralysed by indecision. I suspect she taps into a part of her own mind be it consciousness or more likely subconscious. There is a fork in the road and she asks which one do I take. She feels she is being guided by an "invisible energy". That way she has made a decision but doesn't have to take the blame for the consequences.
I could be completely wrong. Who knows.
Aren't people really interesting.
Your confidence in the existence of a god is 2 or 3 percent? I think that is a very high number. I like to do Bayesian inference, and I've thought a lot about what value I should select for my prior belief about the statement that a god exists. I can't really just pull a number I like out of my *** and I don't have any statistical material to draw on, so where do I get a number from? What I did was to go completely basic and considered that this is first and foremost it is a statement about the world. If we were to make a computer create sentences by putting random words together, and then filter those that happens to make sense as a statement about the world, I would expect that the vast majority of them turn out to be false. I think that true statements would appear in less than one in a billion draws, and most of the time when it is true, it would typically be so because the word "not" sneaks in to the sentence, like "rabbits are not clouds". So the prior odds for any confirming statement about the world should probably never be lower than somewhere around one in a trillion. Now, some common statements that people make, that are not selected at random, can be put into categories where we have already washed out the priors well enough that we don't need to demand much evidence. For example the statement "I just ate a pizza" would typically not prompt further inquiry, because the evidence of people eating pizzas on a regular basis is overwhelming. You know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and mundane claims require little or no evidence. For the God claim, I really want to bootstrap the claim from the foundation and pile on all the evidence for and against that I can find, and that is actually very sparse, even if I am very generous and give the evidence in favor of the claim good probabilities, then I still end up with a posterior probability that is LOWER than the prior, because the evidence against the claim are much more numerous. So I am really curious to know how you arrived at a probability that is as high as 2 to 3 percent?
disarming, or lowering her defensiveness, and making her more approachable being honest about your intentions and questions seems to be the ticket in this case. she seems very 'spiritually' downtrodden
Is she calling her feelings god?
too long, and she doesn't WANT to think
Your approach should be copied by others I see on RUclips.
I could honestly say that you are actually trying to make a difference while others are just to make fun of the individual.
Keep it up
Thanks. I will.
So in other words God for her is part her conscience, part her feelings, part her emotions, part possiboe alien maybe who sends her signals? I had a difficulty pinpointing what she actually believes nevermind the why.
I get the sense that you didn't actually enjoy her. There was something in your tone.
almost but just can't quite let go of that father figure
being in control of my own life is not comfortable for me...yikes
It's almost as if she combined deontology with what is true: Any action out of kindness is true...
“I wasn’t born for a 9 to 5 job”
Jesus the privilege
Is your body always right?
Yeah.
Anthony I have a question for you, about you being 2-3% sure there is a god.
I think you can be sure there is no god, the concept of the theistic god is ridiculous, and the deistic god is unnecessary, at no point from the big bang you need god to do anything and saying that god did the big bang doesn't answer anything.
Basically if you think about it in the bigger picture, humans thought of every supernatural entity on their own, nothing came from the "outside" so to speak.
You can say that the universe was created by an invisible supernatural molerat and it would have the same weight as a deistic god. All of this just come out of our pattern seeking minds, we want to see the purpose in everything but doesn't mean it is like that, or even that it might be like that, and what is more, how would you proove something like a god?
Can you imagine the evidence for something supernatural?
Even if something just pop up out of thin air right next to you and told you it's god, how can you be sure you're not halucinating?
Until somebody brings any kind of reliable evidence of something supernatural, there is no reason to even be sceptical about it.
Would you be sceptical about invisible pink unicorn that is standing right behind you all the time?
No, because that way one could come up with absolutely anything and you'd have to accept the possibility (however crazy and improbable) of it's existence, so until somebody demonstrats some evidence for anything supernatural, there is no reason to even be sceptical about something this unrealistic.....
what do you think?
refreshing your memory as requested :)
Jan P. A God, if it existed, would likely be able to convince me. But yes, the thought would probably cross my mind that I could be delusional.
Anthony Magnabosco
but what would God do, what would be his purpose? no god is needed to explain anything since the big bang, he doesn't answer to prayers, didn't create this world/universe, so why would he be here and why should people worship him? even if some super being existed (e.g. evolved like humans but to another higher stage), that wouldn't proove the things written in the holy books, and there would be no reason to worship such being, only out of fear, I don't understand people's obsession with authority "I need something/someone to worship" being god doesn't earn you automatically my respect, and since there is no evidence of any such being ever existing, why even bother with thinking about it, it just doesn't make sense to me :)
This is pretty much my thoughts and feelings. I'm at 0%. My husband is at 1% and we get into heated debates on "having" to have the 1% purely because it's not provable.
But if that's the truth then we all must have some percentage of belief in ANYTHING. like the possibility that we are in the matrix or all actually mice in a lab. But no, we know with certainty that our perspectives are our truths. I can test that I am on earth living what life I actually am by using my senses.
If you have the 1% then you must accept that all of the gods ever are real. You can't just pick and choose.
I have a very interesting theory on the way religion came about and how it has come to the way it is now. I came to this theory on my own with only my personal real life experiences to base this off of. Does it make it truth, no. So I won't try to convince people it is truth.
I'm an atheist but I would never say that I know that there's no god. How would I know whether a deistic god exists or not?
You say that a deistic god is unnecessary. This may very well be the case but something being unnecessary isn't the same as something certainly not existing. (I only have to consult the TV program to falsify this thesis! :-p )
Yvette : Atheists dont have a belief ! Atheists just REJECT your belief. Reality is important.
aNTHONY : She is pulling epistemology on your ass hahaha .... ( 27:00)
I love the idiomatic woo-ology. We seem to be religious machines. This woman made up her own religion right off the cuff. All she needs is a storefront and some purple robes. The Church of the Comfortable Body Feelings.
How do you make God laugh?
Tell him you have a plan.
I don't mean to be nosy and I know it was redacted, but why would people say one thing and then give their real opinion off camera? Being afraid of their parents or friends finding out?
The consequences of apostasy vary greatly from individual to individual.
Thank you for the reply! Just wanted to make sure I wasn't getting the wrong impression. Also, this is the debate website Yvette was talking about, linking a specific debate that I'm sure you've seen but is always interesting to watch.
www.intelligencesquared.com/events/the-catholic-church-is-a-force-for-good-in-the-world/
sooooo u think u can blow away Sam Harris and TTA ......so modest
:P jk u have great content
pumpuppthevolume Shhh. Don't tell them ;)
Anthony Magnabosco hehe lol
if u r very consistent with it ......this sort of discussions can definitely go quite viral