"Although My Job Was Fraud Inspector, I Didn't Know There Was Fraud!" Vanessa Feltz Slams Inquiry
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
- TalkTV's Vanessa Feltz is joined by political correspondent Alicia Fitzgerald and legal commentator Joshua Rozenberg to discuss developments in the Post Office scandal.
The Government now plans to set aside 1 billion pounds ($1.27 billion) to compensate the wrongly convicted and others whose lives were destroyed in the scandal.
It comes after Stephen Bradshaw, a former Post Office investigator, is giving evidence to the Post Office public inquiry and has revealed he heard reports of problems with the Horizon software, but wasn't "technically minded... I would expect that to come from the people above"
Bradshaw, who was involved in the criminal investigation of nine sub-postmasters, also says he was just "a small cog in this."
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His job was fraud but didn't know it was fraud what a horrible little man,he's lying to keep his job at the post office.
He’s a fraud,and I’m not a trained investigator it’s obvious he’s trying to save his miserable career
Typical bureaucrat
@@kennethfarthing1474more like a typical coward
When I worked in fraud investigation the policy was to look for the incorrect transactions, find them and then follow the pathways to find how they happened, whether they were human error, computer error or outright fraud and to pinpoint the guilty party no matter how high up in management they were.
And most of all to protect his pension.
He's lying to keep himself out of jail. He didn't interview, he interrogated.
That’s exactly what those people did, they thought they were God.
I can only imagine being a wee lass, 8 weeks pregnant and being put into a room on your own with three men that just want you to confess. This is not justice.
YES he is telling lies and pretending that he is stupid, to avoid blame.
@@raphaelandrews3617correct
This is what happens to 'yes' men in positions of responsibility in an organisation when they're totally unqualified, or suitable, for that position.This seems to be rife in public services.
needed by the looks of it was hand picked
Great comment.
Absolutely agree, I worked in the public sector most of my life and I saw time and again the appointment of yes men and obnoxious people who were more then willing to be hatchet men/women. I was only following orders I have heard somewhere before. This man needs to be fully investigated.
Akin to the famous Permanent Secretary for the Department of Administrative Affairs??
The man is a thug. He did and continues to do exactly what he was hired to do. This is outrageous.
This guy wasn't employed as an investigator, he was employed as a bully!
This happened because we worship people in so called leadership
This man damaged so many people & he gave the third degree to people being questioned, he is so guilty & must be prosecuted - hopefully be convicted, & jailed.
As an ex Royal Mail postman, many a time I was asked to sign off documents and paperwork which I wasn't happy with, our union rep told us to not sign anything off we weren't happy with, management then bullied and harassed the people standing their ground
Whilst I agree with what you are saying, Royal Mail and the Post Office were separated many years ago when The Royal Mail was privatised. One of my responsibilities was producing spreadsheets regarding performance of the engineering department, I then found that my manager was "adjusting" the spreadsheets so that he looked good to receive his few thousand pound bonus, I then locked the spreadsheets with a password and received the warning that I would be disciplined If I did not reveal the password to my manager. I asked him to send me an email with that request but he then went quiet, lol. I was employed by the royal mail for 38 years, however when my late wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer the support from my manager was zero, basically it was my problem. decided to take the piss and go on sick leave on full pay for 6 months then sick leave for 3 months on 1/2 pay . I then took early retirement at 57 years of age to look after my wife till her death, best decision I have ever taken in my life. My late wife and myself ended up having 4 years of loving bliss holidaying in Tenerife, then later caravanning in bliss enjoying the short life my wife had left.
Royal mail CEO Simon Thompson lied on oath to Parliament and left with a 700,000 pounds pay off 😢
Never ever sign something with which you don't agree. If necessary there are always jobs.
If you're ever asked to sign anything you don't agree with documents the incident as quickly as possible. Include the date, time, who wanted you to sign and why you did not sign. Copy to management and to your union, if you don't have a union send it to a lawyer. That way when they retaliate you can show it started when you refused to sign.
This fellow knew what the Post Office could do to him. It was obvious because he saw first hand the savage, cruel and cold injustice which he was part of dishing out. Vennells must face the law.
Not entirely true 🤔 actually, just not true, he knew he was in no danger from them, also how vicious they were, but he was not in a position to be in any danger from them himself .. he didn't have a position with them where he handled any money or had to use the Horizon system so he was never in any risk of any of that style of retribution from them, all they could have done to him was sack him.
@@pelinoregeryon6593 If you are dealing with low life who demonstrate a will to cruelty, manipulation and injustice, they will find a way to make sure anyone who steps out of line is punished. The ability to frame people is a common device. They were framing Post Masters while stealing their money, so it would be a breeze to fix something on one of their investigators who did not follow Post Office line.
Internal politics is not a game. It does not follow formal rules. This is just true. Anyone who's experienced internal politics when it goes bad will know what management can do if not properly controlled.
Not only her but all of them. We also know that will NOT happen.
@@marcellasheridan269 true anybody who thinks that these people are going to jail should be in amental ward.there is now chance these people like vennels
Will go to jail
Now is the time to take away the Royal Warrant for the Post Office, and someone has to be held accountable.
great idea. the royals are very silent on this
I worked at Honda U.K. in Swindon for 20 years, it was run by British management.
There was an army of Steven Bradshaws’ all adept at covering their own backs and sucking up to the right people whilst stabbing others in the back, all the while doing as little work as possible and piling on the pressure to the actual people assembling the cars.
My sister has worked at M&S for 15 years, she tells me it’s the exact same story there.
It’s what we the British are good at, look at how government is run, you are rewarded for corruption and deceit.
I worked in a chipboard factory in North Devon were you were rewarded for getting your workmates in trouble for silly little rule infringments.Big mistakes by the managers were glossed over.
@@petersaupe7455 I honestly don’t believe privileged people have no idea what “shop floor” working people go through, for most of their working life.
Same thing goes on in the NHS to cover up even deaths. Look at that Nurse who apparently killed babies. UK is a dangerous place with everyone working with hand in glove with each other in Elite place! The British Culture of wealth with stealth!
I work as a lawyer. When I complained about a judge years ago (with complete justification), the judge dealt with my complaint by quite simply lying.
The judicial establishment then supported the judge fully.
It’s not just on the floor of the factory.
It’s somewhat of an English disease.
Ignore the problem and blame the whistleblower.
It’s virtually cultural.
The harsh lesson i learned was to never complain again within the law. And I never have.
@@pippipster6767I apologise for my generalisation and I completely sympathise with you.
I learned the same lesson, don’t, complain, keep your head down and do just enough to get by.
As for it being “the British way” I couldn’t agree more, we are skilled at burying problems and responsibilities deep in paperwork and pointing fingers, trying to find someone responsible for an issue can be almost comical at times.
The police at Hillsborough on the day of the tragedy, and in subsequent investigations and public enquiries also changed statements and wrote what they were told to write be senior officers, and to this day not one single officer, of any rank has been disciplined or prosecuted.
So if this quarterwit was trained by the police to take PACE interviews, it hardly surprising lying on them comes easy to him!
All the lawyers who have misbehaved and stitched up the postmasters must be held to account. This gets more and more murky by the day. It sounds like there are so many hundreds of people involved in this massive affront to justice, from the P.O. as well as various law firms. No doubt the lawyers were paid vast sums, and it would seem reasonable that they should pay back all their fees, as well in some cases be struck off. The reputation of the legal system in the UK is in tatters.
Everyone who gained monies from this fiasco should hand back their ill-gotten gains with interest, even people like Steven Bradbury. There would be enough money to pay the Sub-post office workers compensation.
Presumably the lawyers were lied to by the Post Office too.
@@steveturner6770 Solicitors are just human and when money talks I think they can be swayed. When you are employed by a large company that is making examples of people you do what they want, this is rotten all they way through and they also should have to answer for their part in it. I used to work for a litigation solicitor and he said is was hard working for someone you knew was guilty but you had to do the best you could to get them off, having seen undercover footage of Immigration solicitors and thier less than honest advice to clients I think we need to overhaul the justice system and weed out the crooks from there too.
It's the old story - if the law firm did not produce good results they would get no further business from POL and POL would just hire some other law firm. So balance the equation - millions of £ of business from POL vs. not supply all available evidence with very slight risk of any damaging penalties? How many law firms have been prosecuted for not providing all evidence in a court case and how many of them went to prison instead of the defendant? We need to send a message!
The difficulty that arises, is, if the client lies to the lawyer, it has the appearance of the lawyer lying. But in fact, that is not the case.
Parkinson’s Law, isn’t it? You rise up through the organisation until you become incompetent. By the way, Fujitsu was prosecuted for financial irregularities here in NZ several years ago and lost their government contracts.
He doesn't seem to be a credible witness, he has selective memory.
POL lawyers told him in advance how selective his memory is allowed to be under questioning.
The post office pocketed the money after 3 years in a suspense account. That should be returned to the post masters that were charged
Seems like this fraud inspector knows nothing. 45 yrs service and in a position with an attitude of "not me, its him/her ...." Was he receiving a paycheck for 45 yrs for ignorance? Just asking.
It says a lot about the PO when you look at the quality of the people they employ. I watched this guy and he could hardly speak the language. Then I found out that he had started working for the company as a TV licence investigator and all became clear.
Some are even ex posties.
I agree, but the posties weren't getting their colleagues convicted and imprisoned. @@cliffordparry2862
Absolutely-it is shocking to see the very poor standard and complete lack of competence or moral integrity that ANY of the PO staff have, that have given evidence in this inquiry.
So how can somebody not knowledgeable about an IT system investigate anything
He wasnt there to investigate where the bread crumbs lead, he was there for confirmation bias of the PO position.
Hardly swift, it’s been years! Bradshaw may have to watch his back now. Horrible person
Allegedly The husband of the current Westminster Education Sectary (Gillian Keegan) was the former CEO of Fujitsu.
Fujistsu is a central partner of Infosys, which is owned by Rishi Sunak's father in law.
Thoughts ?
The guy just admitted perjury / perverting the course of justice. The lawyer keeps dodging the question.
Lawyers never criticise other lawyers
I think there are a lot of people at the post office having sleepless nights GOOD
I've no sympathy for this guy but I can't help feeling a sense that he a civil servant I had never previously heard if is being set up as a fall guy to save the likes of Vennells, Davey & a coterie of other higher profile names from getting their collars felt.
Spot on
Crowdpleaser, 1036 , that is and always has been the action of government and their civil servants . When faced with public scrutiny they inevitably pick out a handful of disposable people and pile all the blame upon them , that is what will happen in this case unless constant pressure is applied to force these parasites into a corner that they can not riggle out of , it must not be like Hillsborough were not one member of the police has been charged or sacked for what was a flagrant case of perverting the course of justice, our so called public servants cover their backs and the backs of their lackies.
Bradshaw needs a serious bit of porridge even if just for stupidity. He has also, in my opinion, misled the inquiry. He signed his witness statement and is therefore 100% for every word. And then we have the cases he investigated. It would be appropriate for him to loose his pension. Give him time off for dobbing in those around him.
why was this company given contracts IN THE FIRST PLACE ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ask Nissan.
Links between company ceo's and politicians in cabinet
The Post Office Board awarded THEMSELVES huge extra bonuses on the basis of a completely bogus bonus system. Darren Jones MP extracted this confession from the current gang of cash-abstracting shysters who are “running” this vital business today.
As an ex regulator I find this guy unbelievable and should not even be in that position
agreed, it is just nuts
This situation the Post Office enjoys is a prime example of criminals being judged by criminals. A system my father fought against between 1939/45 as a member of 45 Commando Royal Marines. Was his efforts and the lives of many of his comrades spent in vain?
As an investigator worth his salt where was his professional curiosity?
If thousands of apparently unassociated people each told him similar information, one of two things is happening, either the similarities in the stories mean - Hes stumbled onto the single largest criminal conspiracy to defraud a Government agency in the history of the country and missed an opportunity to make a name for himself in the revelation. Or, That there might actually be some kernel of truth in the assertion that the system is faulty or being deliberately manipulated by a shadowy hand.
The fact he didnt find either worthy of further investigation, makes him a pi- ss poor investigator and his insistence in only digging into the details of the numbers to prove the post offices position, suggests that he was only ever there for confirmation bias and that the post masters never had a honest hope of proving themselves innocent whatever evidence they managed to find to support their case.
If he had applied his investigative curiosity he may have found the truth and kept his name clean but instead he is stuck on the wrong side of a criminal conspiracy that has ruined thousands of peoples lives over two decades.... I guess that's what you get for being a partizan hack
You’re assuming he’s got more than one brain cell. His performance at the inquiry suggests otherwise.
The NHS do similar things I’ve seen it first hand .. you’re Guilty before found innocent.. I suspect the Railway are the same and other big organisations
He comes across like a scouse gangster
If lawyers instructed what was to be said as a statement to be made, then the lawyers should be brought to account by the Law Society with the greatest prejudice and demands by that society, for prosecution to boot!
One interview reveals multiple crimes which all carry hefty custodial sentences
Having worked for many years in the IT field, my initial thoughts were that this system had not been subjected to the thorough testing that it warranted before implementation. But then my cynical mind started nagging the one-word question - "WHY".
Maybe it's time to consider other motivations to install such essential software in such predictably-dangerous conditions. Was the project overrunning a vital deadline? Were either customer or supplier under financial pressure at this time?
I feel we can rule out deliberate sabotage as being too conspiracy-theory for consideration. I am reluctantly left with the question - did someone have a vested interest in the system implementation failing? I hope the answer's no.
They did test it. There was a pilot scheme 3 years prior to the roll out. During this time, some postmasters had the issue, reported it and were convicted.
They did test the preproduction version and it failed! It was full of bugs, code was rubbish, design was awful, documentation was awful. To fix all that was going to cost many millions plus delay rollout. There was a top level decision to proceed anyway and patch it up as needed. This is documented.
I would imagine that any IT user (let alone expert) would have been wary of any system installed in 1999/2000 when the effects of the millennium date change were still unknown. The fact that Fujitsu got away with their assurances that the system was infallible at that precise moment in time should have raised alarm bells!
Bradshaw comes across as morally bankrupt and intellectually lacking. I wonder if he is a great actor or if what you see is what you get.
Why didn't he call out the post office years ago. Sounds to me he wasn't up to the job. He could have helped instead of shutting up .
Nice questioning by Vanessa. She is delving into the scandal asking very detailed questions. Thank you Vanessa for clearing up so much of the ‘fog’ of this issue.
The scouser is dead man walking
I love that Catherines family and William & catherine invited the postmaster from where the middletons live to the wedding even after he was wrongly convicted among hundreds of others of these horrible charges that they didnt commit . It tells me just how kind and fair the middletons and catherine & william truly are to the common folk . I hope these people get justice and paid for the damages all these wrongful convictions have caused these families
yes this was a small happy thing .
If you sign a statement you are saying that every single thing on that statement is true as far as you know. If you sign a statement and you are not sure of things you are obliged to say that in your statement!
Recruit & appoint experienced people from overseas (eg from Canada, New Zealand, Australia, India) who are not tarnished by the British Post Office.
He couldn't lie straight in bed
This culture mirrors every public funded organisation. No one can make decisions. People higher up don’t like their employees speaking out of turn. When they do what is required then they are pushed under the bus when things go belly up. Who is ultimately responsible will get away with it.
I think we are being awakened to the immorality of legal advisors who work closely advising these big companies and even individuals who "advise" instruct their clients. They do not have clean hands
He should be arrested for signing that MG11.
MG11……you must be a cop😊
Unfortunately I really doubt if any of these P.O executives, Lawyers etc will ever go to prison or suffer any kind of punishment. These sort of people always get away with everything.
They are ALL going to point fingers elsewhere... They must be taken to task and prosecuted.
Just think if compensation got paid out properly and earlier this would not be so big, the Post Office and and above were playing at damage limitation the entire time after the court cases collapsed.
Under Scottish Law the provision of a knowingly untrue statement by a solicitor or other person to a witness to deliver under oath could constitute the crime of “ subornation of perjury”. Which basically is one person encouraging another person to commit perjury.
Equivalent in England & Wales is the Perjury Act 1911 s.7(2)
The criminal charge would be conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.@@ChangesOneTim
What is the minimum penalty, slap on the wrist and £5 fine?
@@steve6375
Bit higher than that and could also mean imprisonment. Oh and conviction means your legal career suddenly ends by being automatically struck off by the professional body.
@@ChangesOneTim That's assuming that by the time they get prosecuted they haven't already retired, of course.
The “witness statement “ must have been vetted by the Post Office legal team, and recognised as a statement which the witness simply “rubber stamped”. Listening to Bradshaw under questioning , everything about him contrasts enormously with the style and content of the
Statement. I believe he is telling the truth. The legal team representing the Post Office need to be questioned under oath .
The bosses and all the other liars need to be charged and convicted of perjury and forgery etc .. they were happy to do it to the postmaster victims
Unless he only ever interviewed one person, then how can he say to them that they were the only one who had a computer problem. Then, as an investigator, he should have investigated the computer problem to eliminate that as a defence for the postmaster or if he found an issue with the computer, he had to disclose this as it undermined the case. This is exactly why they didn't disclose it, and they should be prosecuted.
At the beginning of the statement, there is a declaration of truthfulness and knowledge of what is stated. If someone else wrote it and gave it to him and he passed it off as his, then that is a lie, and he has committed an offence. Times that by how many statements and he is in deep sh1te.
The way I see it the CEO got the big wages also the bonuses and even a honour. So she should take full responsibility and go to prison. I'm sick of CEO'S taking bonus after bonus but never the blame. I bet not one of the heads of the post office will spend anytime in a cell. As for your quest saying sometimes large companies will get caught doing something and they'll tell the fraud squad they'll change this or that and that's ok with the fraud squad. I'm old now but was always told nobody is a above the law. I say bollocks if I committed fraud and said sorry I won't do it again. The fraud squad wouldn't leave me alone. If the government really wants to stop big companies doing stuff like this it's easy start arresting CEO'S and board members if they break the law after they have been tried and if found guilty send them to prison and I don't mean a open prison. After that Paula women finds herself on a prison wing her only protection the screws. She better hope none of the kids of the postmasters are screws on the wing she's on . ( Boiling water with loads of sugar time for her. )
They’ll be back handers Galore
He wasn't told!! What a crock. Anyone at the sharp end of this must have known it was a computer problem, not thousands of SPM suddenly became dishonest!!
It’s clear at this point, it was an intentional cover up by the PO & Fujitsu. The public inquiry is live and there’s valuable insight and info publicly available.
The governments through the years are also up to their necks in this scandal they knew what the score was. The continuing recent awarding of contracts to Fujitsu point towards some behind the scenes dealings. Is the government attempting to buy Fujitsu off to keep quiet about information that could incriminate the government ?
A very useful tool...
...well a tool for certain.
This is how they carry on. Just another little cog in the wheel. Follow the MONEY! That little guy didn’t get rich, did he?
Bradshaw clearly had selective amnesia
Surely what he did amounts to perjury?
He presents an expert witness statement containing “his expert opinion” to court, that he knows is, at the very least, not actually his own assessment , even if he can deny that he knew it for certain to be
“inaccurate”.
What does she mean by "until we have the evidence"???? The post office didn't have evidence of fraud but they still persecuted hundreds of innocent people!
Surely signing a statement written by someone else which has been shown to be untrue is perjury!
If he didn't have reasonable grounds to believe it was true. The fact that it was a law firm, not someone with actual knowledge of the question, who wanted him to sign indicate h he didn't have that reasonable belief.
Laws in the UK need to be brought in to protect the public against these criminals and fraudsters acting in the UK corporate world! Accountability laws are what is needed to make the wrongdoers do the right thing in the future!
Isn't this a case of "perverting the course of justice" by signing a statement that someone else has written?
No. You can sign something written by someone else if it is the truth. What you can't do is later claim it wasn't really you. You own it by signing it.
Isn't one branch of fraud computer based? He or someone in his team should have asked the obvious questions and made a fuss. He should not have been in the job!
Slimy man. Tap dancing at its finest
If you make an untrue statement to the Court that relates to a possible criminal judgement should intern be held criminally responsible. As should those who pressed the person into making such a statement. Even if such persons were from a legal firm.
Did he think his job or promotions depended on signing? Because if that's the case that's illegal, you can't take someone too break the law to keep their job.
What a lier hiding behind post office lies.
Don't think of the company as Japanese Fujitsu - it is really British ICL (Fujitsu just bought/rescued it in 1998/2002!). AFAIK They didn't sack all the British ICL workers and bosses and replace them with Japanese staff! The bosses and workers are still essentially UK ICL staff and one of Fuj/ICL's main customers is the UK Gov!
We need to find out what they didn't know and when didn't they know it.
Its well past time he retired, he can certainly afford to.
Yeah don't worry about him affording rent and food in the pension, I've got a place he can get both for free.
A witness statment is a statement off the witness,it does not matter who wrote it if he agreed it ,he now owns it its now evidence.
Lying under oath is i think enough to get you a prison term.
Yes, what is the police involvement?
Any true "Investigator" would have the moral courage to write his own statement.
Not just sign what someone else tells him to.
The police need to go after this grub as well.
Actually he never said he was unaware, he kept to the line of not being a ' expert ' but never stated if he was aware or not 😮
Watching all this as an American has been so confusing. Until I understood that the Royal Mail (Post Office) is actually a private company!!
Whaaatttt?!!! Here in the US it is a Federal Agency and all postal workers are federal government workers.
What is so ironic is I went to University in England and have come back so many times to visit. The red post boxes are so ubiquitous it just never would have occurred to me that it wasn’t part of the government.
It is part of the government.
Not quite correct. Royal Mail is not the Post Office. Royal mail in a plc owned by shareholders. The Post Office is a Limited company totally owned by the government.
@@wyvernmodelrailway So there are two separate entities that process and deliver mail and parcels?
I looked online to try and understand better, however, it it wasn’t so clear. Can you please clarify how these two organizations work?
For example, here in the US we have the United States Postal Service (USPS), which delivers mail and parcels (up to a certain size). There are also private companies which deliver larger parcels, such as United Parcel Service (UPS).
Also, in some reports they mention the Post Office handling pension disbursements ? Is that correct? For us that is only handled by another federal agency, the Social Security Administration. Usually those disbursements are sent straight to the pensioners bank account-a direct deposit.
@@maryannebrown2385 actually there are 3.
Post Office, sells stamps, hands out pension monies, acts as a facility for paying in cash to banks etc. and is owned by the government
Royal Mail delivers letters and small parcels. and is a plc with shareholders
Parcel Force deliver large parcels. And is owned by Royal Mail
Hope this explains it for you.
@@maryannebrown2385 Royal Mail and the Post Office are separate companies with independent Boards. Royal Mail is the company that delivers parcels and letters - the provider of the universal postal service. The Post Office is the nationwide network of branches offering a range of postal, Government and financial services.
It wasn’t just “obfuscation”, this was a combination of perjury and perversion of the course of justice. Also there is dereliction of duty in the numbers here. Any reasonable person would surely have seen there is a systemic issue here. Everyone from the board down should be barred from passing the fit and proper persons test - ie barred from Directorships and working in financial services or law for LIFE.
u cant tell me govt statements in covid enquiry were drafted by the individuals...
All trying to save themselves ain’t they
At the very least Fujitsu told them they have an accounting system that was fit for purpose and they didn't. That should entitle the government to a refund. If the owners of a software system can't answer basic questions like "Can this be accessed remotely?"* but reading the documentation the system is not fit for purpose. Yes the documentation is part of the system.
* Let alone "Who can access it remotely and what's stopping anyone doing so?".
There’s a lot of slime trails gathering around this post office scandal and it’s starting at the top.
This like an investigating police officer being given a witness statement by a lawyer and just signing it without question. "I was just obeying orders".
Throughout my career l established a rule which l didn't read about or get instructed to do it. l made some early mistakes that made me formulate it myself. It is - never put your name to something you cannot explain or defend. Stick to this and you can never be held culpable if something goes wrong.
These are criminal thugs.
To quote a famous comedian,
YOU HAVE ONE JOB. ONE JOB....
Next thing we know it will be prime ministers or even ex prime ministers losing thousands of whatsapp messages while spending billions of pounds .
Why do we continue to call him an investigator, when clearly there was never any investigation. He even says he doesn't have enough technical understanding to make an investigation. His job was strongman for the PO. His job was intimidation, not investigation.
Did that man just say to start again????. Now a lawyer would say that. It has taken over 20 years for this mess to be brought to our attention. To say to punish the post office, lawyers writting statements we have to start again is rubbish. Its about time these lawyers, including this guest, who, by the way has been no help, stop profitering from those suffering, and get this sorted quickly.
This man isn’t as ignorant as he makes out , should be prosecuted and sent to prison asap
On the contrary - I'm of the opinion he is ignorant, very ignorant, but he just doesn't realise it . . .
I hope all this post office employees past and present who have lied under oath. Will be brought to justice
Hasn't this lawyer dodged her question is this against the law? "Certainly not the way to behave" doesn't really inspire confidence. Why didn't he say "no"?
This cannot be the only instance of justice failure. Justice must be failing many others. A system that failed so badly with the post office cases cannot simply be deemed sound for all other cases.
The old defence of 'i didn't know what was happening' is strong in this one.
He must be related to ed davey, a low down snake
The ship going Down -> all the rates came out 😂😂😂 and this ship was full of Them 😂
Surely an "Investigator" must abide by guidelines and adhere to the legal requirements.
These people helped put innocent people in prison.
It is the duty of the police to conduct their investigation into this situation and from the evidence brought out in the film has to be taken as part of that investigation as should this public enquirey! Personally I think the whole board of the Post Office and figures in Fujitsu must be prosecuted & if found guilty imprisoned for a long time!
I have every sympathy with the subpostmasters affected by this computer problem. It seems to me that a big factor in all of this matter is that the majority of people using computers are not computer-experts and tend to assume that computer systems are more or less infallible. This applies to people high-up as well as those in their employ, This would especially apply to a worker brought up on manual systems, and then expected to fully understand computers and how to recognise all types of bugs in a new system. Every worker would expect to be given the proper tools to do a job, and would expect the technical experts to rectify any bugs. I am not an expert in computers, but I know that bugs exist and I rely on the manufacturer of my computer system to detect and remove bugs. Computer systems need a greater amount of thorough testing than manual systems. but in these days speed is everything, and the consequences are inevitable . A minor human error can have a vast effect.
True. One of the spms commented that he prided himself in being the fastest of all counter staff but he was the only one that seemed to get errors and imbalances. This immediately got my alarm bells ringing, pressing keys too fast could cause issues. Also one bug was that they used to have two keys to confirm an entry, but the software changed so only one key should be pressed (Enter?) But if you still hit both keys you got a double entry.
Also, if you press the keys too quickly it is hard to notice exactly when any error actually occurs, i.e. you don't notice that after the first key, the transaction completes and then when you hit the 2nd key it does it again.
This is what happens when a person is in an important,skilled position and does not have the appropriate skills.Sadly he comes across without charm or expertise.
Scarcely believable, " An orchestrated litany of lies" justice Mahon