Amazing Vocal Chain for Pop ITB (Including custom presets) - Marc Daniel Nelson
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In this episode of MakeMineMusic, Marc Daniel Nelson shows you his in-the-box vocal chain for mixing female pop vocals.
When mixing vocals, Marc does not go after super, super compressed vocals, but he does appreciate a vocal that sits really forward in the mix. Getting that forward mix without hyper-compression, though, is kind of tricky. Marc had found that by doing serial compression - multiple in one chain - it does the trick without leaving the vocal sounding hyper compresssed! In betwen these compressor, Marc will do some EQ, some de-essing, and other edits to really bring the vocal forward in the mix and get it sounding exactly the way he wants.
Watch the video to see Marc go into detail on how he gets his vocal sound. Included are his custom presets so you can achieve the same setup on your end!
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What are your favorite vocal mixing tricks?
Great video. I like getting my vocals as best as I can with my vocals chain then add NYC parallel compression with high end and your low pitch down trick for body. Good stuff Warren!
I hated multiband compressor on vocal before, but now I have really good results with it by "riding" low mids using moderate attack, slow release. I also boost the highs with it and set the HF band to act like a custom deesser. I'm trying to avoid setting cuttof points from 800hz to like 4000hz because they tend to sound unnatural in this area.
Thanks for video Warren!
I also do limiter -> compressor -> eq -> compressor -> eq -> compressor -> multiband -> Parallel compression. I always watch Marc episodes cause sometimes you catch is what you've never thought before. And a very nice presentation. Very polite
@Produce Like A Pro Warren any chance of a video discussing differences in production of male and female vocals? Do you treat them differently? If so could you maybe discuss it during FAQ Friday, please?
I just learned about the Scheps vocal trick and have been using that.
I have really been diggin this guys vibe. Great choice of a producer, and a great educator to boot. Thanks Warren
Me too
Never seen a masterclass pulled off in 10 min before. Truly impressive!
Super speed Don
Agreed! Thanks ever so much Don!
Guests on the Channel. Production. Editing. Fonts! This is amazing. Seeing this channel growing and expanding in front of our eyes !
Fonts 😎
Wow! Thanks ever so much musicfreak21!
@@marcdanielnelson317 haha fonts!
Always like Marcs relaxed and clear delivery. The song is great and he clearly explains how he approaches everything in less than 10 minutes. #Respect.
Thanks to Produce Like A Pro for this outstanding content.
Thank you, EB. Have a great weekend my dude
I’ve seen a lot of Vocal Chains over the Internet but this probably the best video. Video is cleanly put, the chain is well explained and tells how different this chain is different from other chains. Put this guy on the channel more.
MV2 is a great plug in. Serial light compression really is the key to a great vocal sound, as you demonstrated effectively. Top tips!
Sonic Anomally's VOLA2 is a free alternative that can do everything MV2 does.
Thanks ever so much Tony!!
Marc is rad. I appreciate his dry, to the point delivery.
Thanks ever so much!
@@Producelikeapro to be clear Warren, i am NOT implying your humorous, cheerful delivery is not appreciated.
@@saladdaze7375 x
1 video with Marc better than 2 days 24/7 searching in youtube
Love Marc's taste and subtlety. Great stuff. Thanks, guys!
Here's how you do the same chain with free plugins:
- FabFilter Pro Q3: TDR Nova
- Klanghelm MUC: Analog Obsession Varimoon or Klanghelm Muc Jr
- Waves MV2 - Sonic Anomally's VOLA2
- Waves Multiband: Cockos ReaXComp
- Soundtoys Echoboy: Valhalla FreqEcho, Valhalla SuperMassive, Stone Voices Ambient Reverb, Sonic Anomally's Leet Delay, GSi Varispeed...Depends on the type of delay wanted.
- De-Essers: Either use another multiband compressor or something like SleepyTime DSP Lisp or Airwindows DeBess
- Soundtoys Decapitator: Depends on the type of saturation you want. Analog Obsession's PreBox, SGA1155 and so on.
- SoftTube Tube Tech Classic Channel Strip: Analog Obsession's Rare SE + I'd say Analog Obsession's Kolin
- Acustica Audio El Rey: Don't believe there's any free RCA AVC compressor emulations on the market.
You could even make the same chain with stock plug-ins. It depends what you are after :)
Very nice dude, thank you!
You are really into analog obsession.
@@jayjain3821 You can replace some of the AO plugins with Variety of Sound or similar.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino My DAW, Ableton doesn't support 32bit vst. Anyways what i am trying to say is that I don't like AO stuff. I find them buggy and they come with analog looking UI but not the same characteristics as near as analog
Super helpful video, thanks Marc and PLAP. Didn't notice the sleeping hound until right at the end. I actually like having my animals in the room with me despite the inherent hair and fluff problems they can create.
There is always something to learn! Great work guys!
Every mixing engineer have their own way of giving life to vocals, for many mixers that wanna have a bright vocal that sits on top of the track Marc's way of mixing was beautiful and we can use some his techniques 👌🏻 Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
this guy puts out the best content on YT
Nice approach, it's indeed pretty unique and it's really interesting to watch him make it work that good. Super instructive.
Thanks ever so much
I literally have my first pop client tomorrow! Perfect timing
His setup is so cool and classy
First of all, what a beautiful song! This is a great video thanks for sharing this! I love the clean yet upfront treatment he has here, it really brings out the beauty of her vocal. While I havn't looked at his master buss, Its wonderful how well he has achieved depth, verb and all sorts of clarity without "hyper" compressing. Im a fan!
More of these please. Marc is awesome.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
The secret sauce in the mix is the dog snoozing on the couch.
Haha yes, indeed!
AMEN
You know it duder
@@marcdanielnelson317 COVID has enabled me to have my dog "work" with me, too. Nice tutorial. I'm a big fan of the MV2 as well. I'm a postproduction audio guy but your vocal chain approach is useful for me, especially the implementation of serial compression.
Sounds like the vocal was tracked pretty amazing in the first place. Would love to see an episode on tracking including mic choice and the use of outboard vs itb processing. The vocals in this video have a presence not too many engineers seem to nail. It's that balanced thick forward vocal sound engineers like Serban Ghenea are famous for. Another great episode from Marc. He's definitely one of my favorite guest presenters on this channel!
That would be ideal! I’d like to know the tracking process as well to complete the lesson..
@@BobbyLouxMusic will never happen bro. All these RUclips channels have vocals that are already processed very well. Then they add some plugins on them and do a few moves and be like “that’s all I did!” There’s not 1 channel where a big time channel shows the the tracking and processing from beginning to end. Not 1.
@@Lexbannister cla does one for Mix with the Masters but it’ll cost $300
Having a great vocalist and having the vibe for a killer take, then Add salt and pepper before serving ;-)
cool video and superb presentation .. thank you more of these please Warren
Marc Daniel Nelson for me is the best mixer ,producer , I really enjoy his videos
we are blessed that such a great mixer decided to open a RUclips channel and share his amazing knowledge (or his amazing friends).
Hey! Wonderful video again! Do you think i could swap the tubetech compressor with an la2a? Or do they work completely different. Thank you!
That 2k-3k can really be Painfully frequencies... especially on high pitch vocals... smart move to dip it out with the fab filter q3....
Just a small move of each plugin. Small moves go a long way. I found I’m missing this part, :):)
This was a fantastic reminder of how layering compressors can achieve smooth in front vocals. Gonna try something similiar right away!
And I'm gonna have a marvelous time doing so! ;)
Never seen anyone using multiple compressors in this way. Unique... And makes total sense.
That's one beautiful song. Again, Marc is a pleasure to watch, on your channel Warren. Thank you.
You’re very welcome!
this guys is killing it in the box, eh?
very smooth
KUL! Cant wait to try
Marvellous
That’s a killer mix!
That MC2 Compressor is magic!
It´s insane such valuable information! :) And positive vibe!
MDN is always straight to the facts, the amount of knowledge this guy can impart in 10 minutes is astounding.
Really Insightful stuff! I have just got into mixing and have learned so much from this channel already. Thank you
Great Vid! Always something to learn here! Thanks!
Thanks ever so much
I'm new and I have been mixing vocals in a similar way. I guess I'm doing at least someting correct then!
That's wonderful to hear Bruno!
We are waiting for Marc's predelay trick to learn perfect Reverb 😊 , I send my mixes to Marc sir, and he also replies
Damn that's good job.
Hi Lukas! Thanks ever so much!
i would love to hear the dry take on this prior to all processing including volume leveling just to mentally calibrate expectations with the tracks that i usually receive.
For some reason, I have a feeling that if your suggestion was the case, he would explain how the sound changes instead of just demonstrating, defeating the purpose.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino i can understand that.
Producing like a pro is making me not wanna go to full sail university for audio production.. these videos are life changing
Wow! Thanks ever so much
Just when i have to record my lead singer! Perfect! 😃🤘
I love Marc ability to explain what he does. And how to interact with each plugin to make a difference. I've learn so much from his videos. Keep it going man. Sounds beautiful.
I’ve had the MV2 on vocals after compression for the last couple of years. Brilliant for bringing back low level information
Yes, truly wonderful!!
@@Producelikeapro Quick question here, could it be replaced by a Vocal Rider ?
Thank you man, literally used this in my session today!!!
That's amazing to hear!
I like it! Simple, lean, and open. I like workflows where you can assess each step instead of a “magical black box” solution. Tks and please keep simple good capsules like this coming!
Quite sophisticated isn’t it 👍🤯
So, who else listened to the full song afterwards ? ^^
before
Hey Marc, I really enjoy how you share your tips, templates and FX Chains with us, learned a lot already! ✌
Will try this or similar chain on the next vocal track! I got one question out of curiosity:
Regarding the Dynamic EQ between 1 - 2K, did you listened it out or did you found it by sweep through the vocal track?
Thanks in advance!!!
Yeah this before and after can be heard well even on iPhone X speakers! Sounds really good 🤘🏻
Fabulously insightful as usual, so much to learn from this video. Thanks a bundle Marc & Warren!
Thanks ever so much
Even with all that gear, he has that awesome SSL 2+ sitting on his desk. Nice :)
Wow, lead voc send to AUX loaded with bunch of plugins, pretty good result
You can do the multi-compression trick on other things too, like acoustic guitar, which sometimes gets buried in the mix.
I treat my acoustic guitars very much like vocals.
While I have yet to try these tricks by myself, I am impressed by the rendering and the reasoning involved.
nice process ! cheers for that.
Question: Why do you use some plugin in stereo and some in multi mono (like the decapitator)?
BTW, Thank you so much for the videos!! :)
This "series" with MDN is really great content! Please keep it going. Cheers!
good stuff..vocals is my worst thing.
Nice! I was recommended MV2 in the academy only yesterday. When I demo'ed immediately knew it will be great on vocals. Today I've been going back through my mixes and inserting it on all of them along with CLA Epic and Puigchild. You're costing me money Warren 😂 Only kidding. Well worth it. Another great video by Marc!
haha yes, Lukasz! Great plug in!
I track with an AKG The Tube (414 with a tube), usually, if it works for the voice. Into a Gains MP2 (discrete transformer balanced pre) and a Tube Tech CL1A and hit it hard. The Tube Tech CL1A can squash the crap out of anything and you only hear a beautiful sound coming out, never any audible side effects. The CL1A is amazing. I rarely compress during the mix if it was tracked with the CL1A. I used to have a Tube Tech MP1A mic pre at my previous studio with a former partner. It was hands down the best piece of gear I've ever used. Everything that went through it sounded great and sat in the mix with no effort. I'm only doing music on the side now but still want a Tube Tech pre, it's god like.
could you upload the PT Session or the Reverb & Delay Plugins Preset ...??
First off, I do like the mix and vocal especially - Better yet, Marc Nelson is a great explainer and I learned a lot. I would have been happy with another 30 minutes on just this one track. Thanks Marc! A+
I've watched this video so many times,... This guy is amazing, I wish I could give the video more like.
Lurcher/greyhound in their natural environment..... flat out on the sofa (that they have been told repeatedly is out of bounds.....) Gotta love long dogs! 👍 Oh... and great tips, btw!
Weimaraner named Atticus!
Marc has a great demeanor and even more importantly gets right into giving useful information.
Another point I’d like to make is it’s like Christmas all year long with Warren and everyone at Produce Like a Pro. Thank you
Thank you Buddy. Nice of you to say.
Sounds great! I appreciate a pop vocal that hasn’t been destroyed with compression. I thought Mark did a tasteful job molding this vocal. Using multiple compressors on a single track is still a little over my head as an engineer. This video was helpful.
The dog was dreaming....." I want to mix like him"....
Hahaha genius
Awesome video Marc!!!! You’re amazing at what you do. So inspiring!!
MV2 inside the serial compression on vocals -- wow, never tried that with MV2. And I like the dynamic EQ use at 1k (been starting to shift to dynamic eq more and more). Thanks Marc for clear explanations on how much each plugin was working. I am curious which matters more...which plugins you use here vs. the order you place them? Do you A/B the order while you mix or do you just have your chain that works? Do you switch up the order on different material?
it sounds amazing, but at the end, with all 3 compressors working at the same time, there's no more than -3dB reduction. how is that possible?
iv'e only ever used the MV2 on the bass..what was i thinking?
Amazing video. I really enjoy Marc’s videos - I like how he explains why he makes certain decisions and then let’s you hear the different elements at work. I’ve learned a lot from all the videos of Marc you’ve shared. Cheers. This was a really good one.
Love the video, and love the content from Marc!
I went to Spotify to check out this tune and the choruses are full of some major errors. They sound digital to me, perhaps from some transfer or upload process, but someone involved with the artist might want to let her or mgmt know. All the best!
This guy is schooling us on “flavor,” a little here and there, small changes add up. Well done and for free to boot 🥾
what is the name of the video talking about c chain style reverb?
I noticed you keep your FF Pro Q3 in "zero latency" I have found trying the other settings can make a massive difference from track to track. the down side is it has slowed down my system considerably. would you advise going back to "zero latency" on individual tracks? I've found on my master buss "linear phase medium" works best 90% of the time. Great video!
Really awesome and knowledgable video Thank you so much Warren for making collabs with great sound producers like Marc!
The real mix engineer is lying on the couch...
He says thanks
I really appreciate this teacher. One of the most generous engineers on RUclips. Great philosophy.
Can you explain the reasoning for deciding to put the delay inline vs a bus? I'm assuming it's a slap back thing to mimic a double and to add thickness and width but what's the thought process
Awesome, thanks Warren and Marc! Love the El Rey compressor, so good on vocals!
I should really read the manual for MV2. I use it sometimes but not exactly sure why. The manuals are great though! Would love to get the Tube-Tech stuff but man, Softube is expensive!
There are other plugins with similar release character that come to mind.
I Just got the PreSonus FatChannel XT add on called Tube CB for 29 bucks on Plugin Boutique.
Tube CB is a very authentic CL1B emulation and costs much less that Softube
I'm thinking of referencing tracks I would use for this sound, and thinking of Bette Davis Eyes and I'll be Here Where The Heart Is.
Nice one
The vocal harmonies with distortion adds a lot of life to the track. Simple and awesome track. Very soothingly mixed.
Marc Daniel Nelson , all kill no fill . You kick ass man WOW ! !!!!
Great tips. And this is the first tutorial video I've seen in which the example is actual a well produced song and not from some terrible rock band 😅
More than pro tools we were seeing Marc Daniel nelson 😅😂 in video !
what phone model are you using? what phone model are you using? thanks!
When it comes to pushing the vocals on front I like using parallel compression too and tend to use an api 2500 as this thing seems to like being cranked up
Thank you so much! This video really helped me turn the corner in mixing.
Honestly, I don't get it. Sounds quite similar to my ear. No disrespect of course.
Very Godd, thxs for the video!
BF 1176, 2 band eq
hi Marc, great video thank you. interested to see that you put a delay inline in the middle of that chain. what type of delay are you using there and what's the thinking of putting that inline there as opposed to sends? to have it more 'baked in'?
re the whole chain, I've used a very similar chain and approach for some time as well, with a couple different units interchanged versus yours, doing the same jobs: Harrison ava deesser in place of waves, an 1176 (current favourite arturia or slate blue) in place of the mjuc, and softube 100a in place of the tubetech compressor. that final compressor often fuse labs 373 these days.
Don't forget it's on a stereo lead vox buss, it's kinda like mixing into master buss fx, it has it's uses and can be very effective like this. I'm guessing he's done it like this because he likes the effect it gives doing it this way. Similar to compressing after a reverb, which i sometimes do on my returns. And delays for that matter, especially when you want a small amount of feedback but you want the levels of the delays to not tail off in volume so much. Cheers! :-)
Yeah; it sounds different than using a buss. Clamp more with the chain.. and pumps a bit. Try it 🤙🏻
@@marcdanielnelson317 will do. are you using like a slap there? or something longer? this is on a mono vocal track or is the channel stereo there?
I usually add the waves vocal rider before I add any eq or compression. To make it easier on the compressors. Are there any issues always vocal riding first?
wow
Thanks ever so much