Deutsche Bahn IC2 : Great Intercity or Glorified Regional Train?
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2020
- A trip aboard DB's double-decker Twindexx IC2 from Dortmund to Leipzig!
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Date of Travel: 10 August 2020
Class of Travel: 2nd Class
Rolling Stock: DBAG Class 146/Bombardier Twindexx Vario
Cost of Ticket: €33.90 (£30.45, $40.65)
Origin: Dortmund Hbf, Germany
Destination: Leipzig Hbf, Germany
Other info:
There are two variants of the IC2: the locomotive hauled Twindexx sets reviewed in this video and the Stadler KISS which are Electrical Multiple Units (EMUs.) Both variants are double-decker trains.
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In Germany, we call these train’s “Teppich REs” which translates to “Carpet Regional Express” as many think it’s just a Regional train with added carpet ;)
Ah I have heard them referred to as that lol
You could also call them new IR (Interregio), but i think the other name is funnier
@@DylansTravelReports tbf the seats look amazing; if only we had more standard class seats like that in the UK!
@Kenzo Kyng - Nope, no-one cares about SPAM.
Today I received two confirmations the IC 2 of DB is built on the platform of the Dosto-RE by Bombardier. (The carpet version of DB-RE.) - Cheers, Heinz
a) de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Traxx
b) ruclips.net/video/d02nLfuQNaA/видео.html
I live in Canada so transit in Germany resembles science fiction and on time means we've arrived on the appropriate day!
I live in the US and agree on your sentiments! Europeans take their train travel seriously,would love to sample your Rocky Mountaineer train from Vancouver to Banff eventually
I'm in Canada as well and totally agree with both of you.
At least in the States there's some very interesting looking routes with Amtrak.
Having said that, the Rocky Mountaineer is on my bucket list.
@@jasonmoors1191 After 4 months in Berlin and a couple extra split in Copenhagen, Hamburg, Amsterdam and Den Haag, returning to N.A.was like going from the Jetsons back to the Flintstones!
I've been across Canada on the train (in segments, not in one shot) and the Rocky mountain trip is spectacular. Real old school train and we were only 6 hours late arriving in Vancouver! We just sat in the middle of the mountains for hours.. nice view though.
@@Unterwelten I grew up with trains and good public transit so its normal for me to be able to go anywhere i want with ease the first time i was in the us i took the train from DC to NYC and thought there where good trains in the US as well. I only realized thats not a thing when trying to book a train from Chicago to Nashville which is about the same distance as Hamburg to Munich and would have allowed for some great views.
@@finnzweitname5905 I hear you. Ironically, the U.S. and Canada were literally built by the railway and we used to have great rail networks as well as extensive tram networks in all major cities. After the war the emphasis was placed on highways, buses and air travel. Most passenger rail was slashed to the bone and virtually all tram networks were ripped out. Now we're stuck in endless gridlock and queuing for hours in shitty airports to get just about anywhere.
I'll use Berlin as an example as I am most familiar with that city. I added up all of the S, U, Tram, RE and RB lines including route length, number of vehicles, stations, lines etc. and Berlin alone (pop. approx 4 million) has more public transit than all Canadian cities COMBINED! If you take every rail transit line in every city in Canada - subway, LRT, tram, commuter train etc. - everything - put them all together in one city, Berlin still has about 20% more. And all of our commuter and inter-city trains are still diesel ffs!! Decades of severe underinvestment have lead to this sad state of affairs. I don't see us ever catching up especially given Berlin's continuing expansion of just about everything.
Yeah, they are in process of installing Wifi to all IC trains (even the old IC1 stock). Sadly the Bombatdier IC2s were commisioned back when DB still thought of Wifi on a Train as luxury only to be available on ICEs and only in 1st class either (luckily public pressure made them change their mind since then).
The Bombardier IC2s have LTE repeaters though, so you at least can rely on mobile data most of the time.
Thanks for the info!
Great video. I caught an IC2 in October from Nürnberg to Leipzig. It was fitted with wifi and had one of the newer Traxx 3 locos. I was very impressed.
Thanks 😁
Some things to consider in my opinion: Yes, those trains don't deliver the same quality as some of the old IC and all ICEs in general but they have a really significant advantage: Lower cost. As a customer, i could get a ticket for the same ride for this friday (worst day of the week) for only 29 Euros in the morning. But also the lower cost enables DB to connect a lot of cities to the InterCity-network which didn't have an IC connection before.
PS: You are right. All IC and IC2 trains will get Wifi until the end of next year.
In the past where the IC2 drives now where the cheaper InterRegios.
@@Franjo5000 the IC2 is mainly used on routes with short plattforms and "low" speeds so its definitely something like the interregio
@@Franjo5000 But IRs were subsidized, so no surprise they were cheaper :P
But for the lower cost you'll have more uncomfy looking seats, some people would like to use the board restaurant, now you'll have someone goin round with a trolley, which again is the same as on the RE...
@@Danny30011980 Very true. But i think it also has to be mentioned that those IC2 are (mostly) serving routes which didn't have any kind of intercity service before. So this is definitly a step up, but still you are right. I also would have loved to see a train set with a board restaurant!
To me IC2 is more a pimp-up regional express than an IC connceting cities by a long distance express former done by interregio. Of course, Dylan said already in his video report above, a diner couch is missing. - Greetings, Heinz
I was surprised you’re wearing shorts in December, but I see it’s dated August!
I tried it multiple times and it definitely felt like a glorified regional train. Sometimes you can even ride it with regional train tickets.
What IC2 services can be ridden with them regional day tickets?
@@AymanTravelTransport Lower Saxony pays DB a not insignificant amount of money to have IC service west of Oldenburg, to Leer and than up north to Norddeich on the North Sea. Thus, a small northern village like Norden has a two hourly IC service to Dresden and sometimes even Cottbus (on the Polish border). But since these IC’s stop at all the stations that the RE’s stop as well and are therefore no faster than the RE service between Bremen and Norddeich, regional fares apply on that stretch of the service.
@@AymanTravelTransport The IC-Line Stuttgart - Rottweil - Singen, which is serviced by IC2 trains have nearly as many stops as the regional express and therefore they can be used with the same tickets as the regional express. A service of that line is always listed twice on the timetable, one time as intercity and one time as regional express even though its the same train.
Having traveled a couple times on Amtrak, I was surprised has to how quiet it was as evident by your moving around from car to car. Very impressed.
American trains - the Rumble and the Roar
I hate wasps!! The only good wasp is a dead wasp. I'm sure they have a purpose in the chain of life somewhere but I'll be darned if I can figure out what it is. Thanks for another lovely Monday journey. I look forward to the next one.
Thanks! Pleased to hear someone shares my hate of wasps 😅
Me too. They scare me. They like to dive bomb at you.
I don’t think so.
V wing devils thats what those things are
I apsoltely hate and fear wasps too. And as I have a little toddler, their presence could even be life threatening!
The purpose in the chain is to fight bees and sting humans
"I think one of my favourite things about travelling by train is getting to see little towns and villages that I otherwise wouldn't have seen."
I agree wholeheartedly. Only a train could take you through such scenery.
It would be 100% true if EU railways hadn't build miles and miles of soundbarriers across their networks...Especialy in Germany they have bring this crap to a whole new level....See on this video they keep building them like on 13:47..As a railfan two things I hate the most..Soundbarriers and grafiti tags on trains...Those crappy plastic "walls" combine both and they block the view one could enjoy on a train...But I guess nobody gives a F those days...Too bothered on their cell phones and internet..
@@Deathcult82 It saddens me to hear that! I've heard of the graffiti nuisance along European railway tracks. I agree with you, the sound barriers are real spoilers. Also, people are so engrossed in their phones they forget what's passing by, you are right.
But of course, European railways has its major positives - cleanliness and punctuality. Coming from a developing country which has just started to fit bio-toilets in coaches, and has even premium trains running late, these two things are something I fervently hope will improve the conditions of railways in my land.
But here goes the positive of the trains in my country - I get to see all of the farms, forests, and villages!
@@Deathcult82 I would agree.
People put down your phones and look what’s in front of you.
I normally put my headphones on and watch the world go by.
Love travelling by train and coach. Done may cross channel Europe trips on coaches. Done Germany, Luxembourg, France, Spain, Belgium, Andorra all on coaches.
Amazing and it’s great letting some one else drive while u relax.
@@Deathcult82
Well, I guess it depends on who you ask. If you are living side by side to the railroad you are very happy to have this sound barriers.
That's a positive thing with the double-decker coach - you can view over the sound barriers.
@@rahulmacharaja7887 Singaporeans seeing graffiti might be like: _& that's why you need corporal punishment_
My friend works for DB Fernverkehr (the operator and owner of these trains). He says the Twindexx trains have horrible reliability; they breakdown much more often than other ICE and Intercity trainsets. Another problem with the design is that whole train is designed like an EMU. So if there's a problem with one coach, they must take the whole set out of service, along with the engine. Or if there's a problem with the engine, all the coaches get taken out of service, too. They can't just uncouple the problem coach and swap in a working one.
better if they modify the coaches with couplers that can couple regularly so they can be separated into individual coaches but ok
@@timlilijinsheng4070 from what my friend explained, the coaches can be mechanically separated. But the issue is software and electronics, those are designed for a whole trainset.
@@maxster_8989 Ô ok but still that would be even easier but the pricings tho...
Sounds like the IC4 and IC2 trains here in Denmark. They're DMU trains with a lovely interior and great design and comfort (made for intercity standards)... but they break down all the time. The IC2's (the 2-car versions) ended up being scrapped entirely, and the IC4 trains (same train but with four cars) only have half the fleet in service at any given time, so that there are backups available - and even then, they mostly run regional services, with most of the InterCity trains being operated by much older IC3 (rubber-nose) trains (which have thankfully been refurbished and are almost as comfortable, and far more reliable). The number is for the number of cars, not the chronological order of the trains.
@@maxster_8989 Gott behüte uns vor Eis und Schnee und Bahntechnik von Bombadier
Thanks, Dylan, for sharing your travels this year. Hoping for happier and healthier times in 2021 for you and all of your loyal followers!
Great video and finale to the year. Thanks for taking us on your journeys! Looking forward to 2021...
Thanks 😁
How I categorize them:
White + Red = Fast + Alcohol
Red + White = Slow + Alcohol
Metronom = Slow + No Alcohol
"Wasp decided to wreck havoc" haha. I just imagined it sitting with its feet on the seats, smoking a cigarette and talking to its mates on loud speaker.
Honestly, would have prefered that 😂
I love the views out of the upstairs of these double decker trains! The windows are just fabulous.
Really loved seeing the scenery as I have yet to journey to Germany. And I wholeheartedly agree with you that seeing little villages and towns you otherwise would not is one of my reasons to adore train travel.
Regarding the wasp, I'm on the same page. I changed a Tube car once because a wasp got on board and was clearly going to ride it to the end.
Thanks for the awesome video, Dylan. Happy New Year!
Thank you very much! Happy new year 😁
I love how Pleasant the weather is, how quiet the cabin is. Nice Video mate I enjoy them a lot.
Thank you for another great video Dylan, I hope you're keeping safe. xx
Thanks! Stay safe.
Pretty consistent masking there, as opposed to some other recent videos. And as always my two favorite parts of your videos...1) Time for a seat tour!, and 2) TIme for a wander!
Very informative Dylan, thanks. I like the double decker for sightseeing it helps with visibility for sure, your weather that day was perfect. Stay safe and happy new year.
Thanks 👍 Happy New Year 😁
Excellent and thorough reports. Hope you are able to continue your travel reports!
Thanks! I have enough to last until September so I won't be going anywhere any time soon 😁
Amazing story! You saved the best for the last of the year!! A train with information screens are the BEST trains to travel on! Always take the upper top of anything double decker. The upper deck offers the BEST views!! I hope you had a chance to see the full moon tonight. Happy new year, my friend!!
Thanks! Happy new year!
In England I have just paid £80 for the same distance journey by rail. It is probably true that we have the most expensive railways in Europe so was impressed by your train not only on price but comfort.
Perhaps it's because railways in Britain are paying dividends to investors. DB is state-owned, as are most European railways.
@@brucewilliams8714 You are perfectly right Bruce. The £ 80 ticket price I gave was pre booked. On that day the platform ticket price was £ 200 single. It makes the whole thing absurdly worse.
Usually privatising companies works in favor of the consumer but in the case of railway (and other forms of public transportation) it has never worked that way. It is impossible for companies to really compete. Usually one company is allowed to provide service to a region/track but that way they are the only one to operate there. Then they can charge really high prices to increase profit, while (partial) state-owned companies are run in a way to serve the interest of the people more. It clearly works a lot better. i feel for the brits
In the US everyone would have driven this 260 miles in less than 4 hours at a cost of about $25 in fuel.
It looks like a glorified regional train to me. I've seen them a lot across stations but haven't got a chance to travel on it. The layout and screens, everything looks very similar to the newer RE versions.
its basically a DB Regio twindexx with a carpet. They are a meme In Germany lol
Back on Monday! This is a pleasant surprise. I like the idea of a double deck train because it affords a better view by simply going upstairs. Happy New Year, hopefully one full of more train adventures.
The double decker trains are in service all over Germany mostly as regional trains they are mostly quite pleasant especially the newer twindex trains.
Hi Dylan I enjoyed the video!!! I like this double decker train alot. Too bad there,s no cafe car. Overall excellent train journey!!! Than you for the video!! I wish you and your family a Very Happy New Year!!! 🎉🎉
Glad you enjoyed! Happy new year 😁
Looks like a really modern and pleasant interior. 👍 Thanks for the review.
hey nice smooth train and clean too looks like a nice trip take care buddy cheers
Another great video Dylan. I particularly enjoyed this one as I have travelled this route between Hannover and Dresden. I booked a First Class Upper Deck seat and, fortunately, was not bothered by any wasps!
My impressions are pretty much the same as yours. A clean, comfortable and punctual service at a reasonable price and a great way to see Germany. The only slight minus being the pretty basic catering trolley, although it was interesting to see it negotiate the different levels!
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
Very nice modern regional type train. There are certainly fancier and faster ones, but for the price the comfort level looked good and I like the information screens, more trains should have them as the technology is readily available and not very expensive. Great shot of the train arriving with the control car and thanks for getting a shot of the power too. There are so many nice trains in Europe, in North America we are far behind. Thanks for sharing these trips with us and a Happy New Year to you Dylan.
Thanks! Happy New Year 😁
Great stuff as always
Thanks 😁
Happy New Year Dylan; Stay Safe.
Thanks! You too!
awesome ❤️❤️❤️ happy new year ❤️
I think the double deckers look incredible. Very clean, modern and well designed. Too bad they don't control Amtrak.
Amtrak uses them on some regional services such as MARC between DC and B'more
@@davidtuttle7556 MARC is a seperate public enitiy from Amtrak, They just happen to share a line.
I love your videos Dylan! Greetings from Argentina 🇦🇷
Thanks 😁
SUPER! Thanks!!
I took a double decker from Hamburg to Lubeck a few years ago. Pleasant trip on the upper deck.
I took a trip from Hannover to Hamm not too long ago on the upper deck. One of my favourite parts of it is how open it feels; the views are brilliant.
Great video !!
Thanks!
Nice trip report, and also cool train 🙂
Thanks!
Great video👍👍
Thanks
Love travelling in Germany. Last journey i done was from Berlin to Nuremberg. Can’t wait to get back. Great video
Thanks!
Was it on the new tracks? I've watched a couple videos about them but I have no idea what it's like to be on them.
Not been on a German train since the eighties.That train sound really quiet and it looked like you got a good view from upstairs.I like the Deutsche Bahn website if gives lots of info and route maps too.I'm impressed they make annoucements in English,would we ever do them in German I think not.
Here in Canada, there is very little in the way of train service, and more and more routes get cancelled every year. It's a pity, but most rail lines are given "freight" preference, so with the exception of some commuter trains in southern Ontario, service is crap.
Personally, I'd take a train over a flight any day of the week.
On the other hand the focus on passenger service in Europe leads to the result, that most of the cargo is hauled on trucks.
Especially in Germany the percentage of cargo transported by rail is falling for decades. Now politics want to boost railcargo. But the fact is, the schedule is so tight, that there is almost no „space“ for cargo. The little amount of cargo that is shipped by rail can only be transported at night, so Cargo won’t interfere with passenger trains.
No train service other than few VIA connections, and of course GTA.
I would rather take a train than anything else on Ottawa - Toronto route, but VIA service is quite out dated, even comparing to Poland.
@@pliedtka Americas is a shithole continent
Seems like a pretty chilled out way to travel. I'd love to go on a double decker train one day. They're pretty novel for us Brits
Are there even any double decker train services in the UK?
No, we don't have a tall enough loading gauge
Funny how I just noticed you were traveling from Dortmund, the station we like to call takeaway Restaurant with track connection
Enjoyable video, thanks Dylan. I've not used the Twindexx units, but have travelled on Duplex TGVs in France and IC2000 double-deck trains in Switzerland. Much prefer the upper decks as downstairs always feels a bit claustrophobic, especially on the SNCF TGVs. Totally agree with your comment about being able to see towns and villages from a train. Much prefer to use rail rather than air whenever possible.
Glad you enjoyed 😁
this is one of the most beautiful train that DB yet has in service!
Happy Holidays!
Firstly, let me say I really enjoy watching your travel reports. I'm from Alfreton in Derbyshire and I've travelled pretty extensively within the UK, so I can relate easily to some of the journeys you make, although not on the newer trains. My girlfriend comes from Osnabrück in North West Germany and when I've visited her, I've travelled on quite a few of the double decker trains like on this video, between Düsseldorf and Munster and I love them cos it's great to have a decent view from the top deck. They are always clean and much quieter than UK trains. I've also travelled on their ICE's as well, which are also lovely trains. Their rail system is great. Pity the UK ones aren't as good yet!
Looking forward to your next update.
Thanks!
Great video.I have only between on a double decker train on one occasion- From Schiphol airport to Amsterdam Central.Bit of a novelty really as we don't really have them in England
Railways in Britain sadly don't have enough head clearance under bridges or in tunnels to allow double decker trains.
Here in Portugal we use a simillar setup for suburban transport around Lisbon, the 3500 series. But they are not as quiet or as fancy as these ones.
Great trip report I like the look of the IC2s very much and also the city of hannover very modern too but the best part of the trip was the sunrise but also going through rural and small town Germany and Leipzig hauptbahnhof 😍
Leipzig Hbf is amazing isn't it! 😁
@@DylansTravelReports it's HUGE 😁😁😁😎😎
another great informative video; hopefully wifi in 2021 nice views of german countryside.
Thanks!
My wife and I had a lovely holiday I the Dortmund area we stayed at the veltins arena home of shalke and made the mistake of mentioning this when we visited Dortmund, they are football rivals, I can let you know the natives are very friendly,as usual we had the 7 day regional travel pass which allows travel on regional trains but not the ice but we loved the double decker trains
I liked the IC2s. Took them twice between Dresden and Leipzig, a fairly short trip. They were smooth and quiet. The old ICs were getting pretty worn down, were no longer quite as comfortable. Also noisier.
I like this video. I personally would have booked a 1st class seat. They looked more comfortable than the 2nd class seats. Any journey over 4 hours is worth an upgrade. Also, when you get to the station early, I'd buy coffee or another beverage along with a danish or something else to eat. This is what I do when I travel through Europe. I miss traveling. I am determined to get back to it! Thanks Dylan.
Thanks!
There are a few variants of the Class 146. The first IC2 sets employed a 146/5 loco with a 160 km/h top speed. These had initial problems, but the more recent and much worse problems occurred with the newer Class 147 loco and dostos. These have a maximum speed of 189 km/h.
Important note: At 9:33 you write one of your favourites about train travelling is seeing all these villages and towns. I agree. But in Germany we build these green noise protection walls everywhere. At 13:46 you see a couple being just built up. On a trip were a couple of years ago I could see lovely villages, the River Mosel, vineyards etc, all I see now is green walls, endless green walls for miles over miles. And it is in fact one reason why I use trains less these days.
A couple more notes:
You were lucky your train was on time. Two years ago I used right that train and it arrived in Dortmund half an hour late. This made me miss my connection, the next train for this connection - an hourly service at that - was cancelled altogether, the connection after that then was again heavily delayed. I arrived in Dortmund half an hour late, departed 3hrs late! Similar happens about every time I use a long distance train. To Frankfurt Motor Show (IAA) a few years ago the train had 4hrs delay, so I only saw the show for half a day despite a full day ticket. On the return trip again over 2 hours lateness and I missed the last train for the last 50kms, had to get someone to pick me up despite having paid the DB, never got my money back despite it being their fault I missed the connection. This again is a reason why I use trains ever rarer.
On the internet, ever more trains are equipped with wifi now, but I believe Germany is one of the worst countries in Europe for internet infrastructure, so despite most trains having wifi now you will find it is really slow with many interruptions.
Very aesthetically pleasing. It seemed to be a peaceful, relaxing trip. Definitely worth US $40 imo. Your travelogue is so well done, Dylan, that it's encouraging. It has me writing down these trips on my List of Things To Do. Except South Korea. Omg, no. But! You took that horrible trip so that we didn't have to. 😄😄👍
Thank you so much. Honestly, South Korea is well worth a visit but just make sure to take the KTX/ITX and not the Mugunghwa 😅
There is another kind of IC 2, made of Stadler KISS EMU's wich DB bought from the WESTbahn from austria. They're far more comfortable.
They're excluive on the line Rostock - Berlin - Dresden.
One train per day goes between Berlin and Vienna with them over night.
You might want to check them out.
I would disagree with that. I ride the KISS IC2 from Dresden to Berlin regularily and it has a number of disadvantages compared to the other version althoug it is still really good.
The availabilty of storage for larger luggage pieces is very limited especially on the upper deck. And on the lower deck it is only available in one spot so depending on my seating position it is hard to keep an eye on my luggage.
The seats are comporable although i prefer the ones from Bombardier.
I find the reclinde position on the Bombardier trains better than the KISS train.
The passenger information system is much superior on the Bombardier trains and I also prefer the Blue and Wood Accents on the IC2 from Bombardier compared to the one from Stadler.
It comes down to your preferences.
I'm on this route between Leipzig and Hannover for a few times for visiting my brother.
The BR146.5 on your train is actually one of the latest series of the BR146 series and was built by Bombardier like the coaches
Yes the British loading gauge is much more restricted than that in Germany. However, the windows in the Voaygers may be slightly larger, but the seating is so cramped in them unless you travel in 1st Class. The ambience of the top deck in an IC2 is superb in comparison !
Wow, nice and bright without being obnoxiously so. Very quiet ride.
I agree even the screen wasn't intrusive.
Reminds me a lot of our GO Transit commuter trains...just better seats. Of course, Bombardier built the bi-level GO carriages too.
yo man i just love when in every single video you go to the toilet and at the end u look at the mirror and make the expression HEEEY ahahahahah i just love it and it always make me laugh.
PS. i fear wasp too😟
Great video! Twindexx look very nice! I can only compare them with the older double-deckers on RE1 route, the interior looks similar, but the older units has no tray tables.. Btw. now I'm very interested in Škoda units on the NIM express line Munich - Ingolstadt - Nürnberg, they are capable of 200 Km/h.. I'm already looking forward to the opening of the borders :-)
Thanks! Can't wait for the world to reopen either 😀
The RE2 and RE42 also have Twindexx with an 146.2 pushing them🤩
Thanks Dylan, another great video. Strange, I never found myself in a situation where the train changes direction in the middle of a journey. You're in the right direction of travel, which is excellent, and you end up in the wrong direction, alas. I like to be in the right direction of travel. Tell me, how did you manage to change the direction? Nobody told you anything? The train crew? It went well? Otherwise, as always, a very nice video. Long live the double-decker trains! Long live train travel! Thanks Dylan. See you soon.
It is not unusual when the station was originally a terminus rather than a through station.
Strange, I have never known a situation like this.
Thanks! Changing direction (often more than once) is very common in Germany, at least compared to a lot of other European countries.
Happy New Year to you, Dylan! !! !! !!! Thank you for everything !
when i took a train from dresden to rostock the seats were pretty good but without the strange leather parts at the top and the train at at each coach only 2 big doors and the wifi worked
11:16 - Just my kind of train. Being able to play in the sand pit while going where you need to go. 🤣
😂
Building sand castles while being transported. Sounds awesome in my book. 😂
also they dont need a loco thats pushing because theres a coach cab on both ends now strange that in dortmund sometimes its not also on our train there was only a single door and the front and end of each coach
Thank you for another excellent video ! I too have travelled on the IC2 Twindexx trains, several times from Cologne to Hannover. I think they are great, and D.B. have chosen the routes on which they operate very carefully, and where they consider a full ICE unit inappropriate. The routes they operate are very similar to our Cross Country routes, and just think how superior one of these IC2 trains would be on the run from Aberdeen to Penzance ! It is also ironic that D.B run our Cross Country franchise, and have done little if anything to improve the cramped and noisy Voyagers. I wonder if you have tried the ex Westbahn Kiss d/d EMUs, now being used by D.B on the route from Rostock to Dresden ?
At least the Voyagers have large windows. Does not the restrictive GB loading gauge prohibit such double-deck carriages?
Thanks! Sadly not tried the Stadler KISS yet.
They look like great sets.
they have now a new class of IC2 trains, which are way more comfortable and feel less like a regional train, perhaps you wanna try it in the future
You are right those yellow vehicles (coaches and engine) are for track/overhead wire maintenance/checks.
All (rail) maintenance vehicles - no matter what purpose - are yellow in Germany.
As you could see even the excavator at Halle Hbf (on the neighbouring track) was yellow - even though it is not owned by DB ...
Aside from that I don´t think we´ll see any bar/refreshment service anytime soon on those IC2´s.
Covid has put a halt on that anyway but even when that is over I doubt we´re going to see a Bar service really.
Due to the double decker arrangement it is also impossible to offer an - at seat - service with a cart going through the train (at least not on the upper floors).
Nice, thanks for the info!
Good content. What is the difference between long distance train and regional train when taking from Frankfurt airport
I caught this train from Köln to Dortmund. Was a very comfortable ride. Reminded me of the Dutch Intercity trains just way faster. Its good but hasn't got anything on the ICE 3
I went the other way round from I believe Hamm to Köln. My only problem really was the lack of wifi, but other than that it was a great experience. Given the quality of some of DB's other services they really hit the nail on the head with the IC2.
Interesting that you say this is faster... They have the same top speed of 160.
@@dionysusnu3881 I don't think they can go that fast on Dutch tracks, though I might be wrong
@@nleak92 a lot of track is 140, with some areas at 160.
@@dionysusnu3881 MPH or KPH
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The departure boards are always in multiple languages atz major stations. But even tiny station in the middle of fucking nowhere have some of their information written in German, French and English (words like platform or departure time)
Great as always. What did you think of Dortmund as a city? I’ve always wanted to visit and go and watch the football team play a home game. Probably one for 2022 at the rate things are going but still on the bucket list!
I liked Dortmund. Bit of a football haven which is good. Also home of the German football museum which is worth a visit.
Nice vedio . Happy New year
Thanks! To you too.
Merci pour ce voyage
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thats my home kinda. Hamm is only 15 mins via Train from me ! very nice! maybe we meet sometimes in a Train
Great review. Did you notice a wobble at high speed? It was an issue for DB but I think they have improved the higher speed ride.
Thanks! I didn't notice that issue.
Love the train. I’m sure I’ve been on one similar in France. Double decker.
Are there any wheel chair facilities with it being a double decker.
Most trains on DB have wheelchair facilities - including 'Doppelstock'. However, some trains only have wheelchair access in the coach with the driving cab. On some intercity coaches, you need to ask for assistance (easily done on DB's website which is available in English if you don't speak German).
@@keithparker2206 This wassomething that worried me. Although I'm not in a wheelchair I have to use a Rollator (walking frame) and I can't cope with more than one step.
I thought that the Cars and Loco are used for IC 2 was been upgradet to 200 km/h?
I think the double decker train is a lot better cause it’s more spacious & has more of the airliner amenities that you can see on airplanes, also the luggage capacity 😊.
It is by a large margin better for the planet than travelling by plane or more specific city hopping.
Travel time would be shorter if DB ran a east to west traverse through Kassel Hessen.
I have nothing against the West German regional trains. A lot of them are quite nice actually and on selected stretches, you can actually use a local public transport ticket.
These certainly feel more 'intercity' than the Dutch 'intercity' services (aka Sneltreins). I think the one negative is the lack of catering, especially for a nearly five-hour trip. Other than that, I agree with you.
For what this service is, I think the price matches it very well. I think I wouldn't mind using it.
That said, it is not deservant of the name Intercity. For that, it stops too often, lacks the restaurant / cafe car, is too noisy near the extremities of the compartments and seems to have too little luggage space; even with the rack stacks.
I'd find it more suitable to call this an interregional service. But then again, I think it's a good interregional service with a fair price!
Go tell Dutch national railways!
@@TheSynecdoche Tell me about it :-)
I live near dortmund and visit the hbf often with my family or school lol
The purposes of IC2 are to create more direct connections and to improve the quality of some segments as regional train. The old IC, ICE1 and ICE2 will soon repleced by ICE3, ICE4 and ECx. The new trains are faster, more efficient, more comfort and more seat.
Not really, the IC1s are being refurbished and planned to stay in service at least until 2030
@@TheDaorti not all train will be delivered on time. Besides, DB has never placed big orders. Instead, they order many orders because they want to test in reality. For example, they recent order ice4 xxl or 30 ic2 set secondly. Even though ECx will be delivered in many years. So, it is not surprised that ic will stay until 2030.
You can try out the new double decker IC. That is a REAL IC
Thanks for the inter-holiday extra post. As usual, I trolled through everyone else's comments before offering my own. I can't believe how anyone could complain about the comfort level of these trains. They're certainly more comfortable and better riding than some of the cattle class crap we have to put up with in Australia. I have a feeling that Bombardier have vastly improved upon the NSW Intercity design (now around 50 years old) and would love to see this type of comfort downunder. Perhaps the questionable reliability of the sets mentioned in the comments is the source of the complaints.
I have to agree that wasps are a certifiable pest fit only for total extermination. I have had the misfortune to go to court over one that came into my car through a dashboard air vent and caused me to temporarily lose control and roll downhill into a red light camera intersection with the resultant mayhem and expensive photo. Fortunately, the magistrate gave me the benefit of the doubt and declared the wasp guilty instead of me. Discovery of a nest near my rear garage gave me incentive to boil the kettle and pour the contents down the nest entry. Hope this episode gives you a chuckle or two.
Thank you ever so much for sharing your many rail trip experiences during this difficult year. They are a source of great joy for many who haven't been able to travel this year and I hope you continue to earn a comfortable living from producing and posting them. I do hope you and your family are keeping warm and safe in wintry Inverness and can sing a hearty Auld Lang Syne to the worst year in world history since World War 2. My home city of Melbourne is being prudent this year in not having fireworks at midnight, although that rival city to our northeast seems bent on having their show of pride from the "coathanger" (Sydney Harbour Bridge) even while banning people from seeing it live from the harbourside and continuing to have more cases of COVID. I hope it pours with torrential rain at 2359 up there to prove a point. Enough negativity from this grumpy old man! Looking forward to your first 2021 posting this weekend. Cheers from Michael.
Thank you! Honestly, if I end up in court for a traffic offence, it'll probably be due to a wasp as well 😅 Happy new year and all the best for 2021!
I think it's a good mix between the Re en IC/ICE trains
Even a Siemens Desiro HS EMU operated by national express runs at a nominal speed of 160kph as regional express trains
The upper deck on the coaches seems quiet, and being up there should make for a comfortable ride. From the video, the train looks comfortable overall. From a US perspective, though, 5 hours for 300 miles would be marginal. We're looking for shorter times, especially in heavily traveled corridors.
As long as you're willing to pay for a first class ICE ticket then you can get that.
This train traveled between Köln and Dresden on a circle line, instead of the shortest possible route - really unusual...
Can you do a Q+A? I’d be interested to know what sort of luggage you take with you on trips like this, have you ever used an interrail pass, do you have any special tips/tricks for getting great value fairs? My wife is from Germany and I have spent a lot of time on Regional and ICE trains. Thank you!
There are two on my channel that you can find under the playlist "Bonus Videos". I tend just to use a backpack for luggage. For getting great value fares, generally the best strategy is to book as far ahead as possible.