22lr for defense. Revolvers are a must. LCR and LCRx
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Discussing why revolvers are ideal for 22 caliber and how 22 caliber can be the right choice for self defense. discussion of revolver simplicity of use, reliability, and concealability. Discussion of best 22lr ammunition for self defense along with reliability of 22 ammo and semi automatic 22 pistols.
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Love how Rhett's recommendations for defense are either small accurate shots with .22lr or blowing out half of a chest cavity with a 12 gauge.
That's pretty much my philosophy, come to my door, it's over, street problem, I just want to escape.
@@manoloborja388 probably the smartest legal strategy as well lmao
@@manoloborja388 That's some prophetic shit dude. Love it.
9mm will blow your lung out of your body.
He reccomnds 5.56 and 7.62x39.as well.
Thanks Lucky Gunner for recommending this channel.
Yeah. For real.
Finally someone not obsessed with expansion.
.380, .32, .25 and .22 you need to go deep and accurate. Either that or you need volume of fire, more then 6 or 7 holes. Obviously rifle is king and pistols suck so the difference between a Gold Dot .45 and a ball .22 is minimal compared to a rifle and even a .44 magnum.
Exactly why I got a Ruger 22lr 8 shot with a 3 inch barrel.
LCRX ?
Another gem, your out of the box thinking is incredibly refreshing and rare.
LWRoad Thanks much!
Couldn't agree more
Something about your thought process and presentation makes you one of the most unique points of view in your field. Love your work.
Spot on. Shot placement beats bullet caliber every time. Plus, the low recoil makes it much easier to shoot accurately. The low cost of ammo means you can practice more often. Practicing more often means you will become a much better shot. I have named it the avalanche effect. All of the advantages start compounding. It makes sense to me.
Paul Harrel carries a silly little mouse gun that is both accurate and reliable. That man can shoot a .44 magnum with as much recoil recovery as most people shooting a .32 auto.
@@john-paulsilke893 but we're not all as experienced as he is. I'd much rather have a .22 I could connect with than a 9mm that I can't hit anything with because it's the first time I've shot my 30 dollar a box rounds.
@@john-paulsilke893 but if you can get to that point, knowledge and experience beat equipment just about every time.
@@john-paulsilke893p
You can be very good with 22lr and still struggle with 9mm and other heavier calibers.
I`m glad I came across your video before I made a purchase . I`m disabled and looking for a pocket carry 22 lr . I was leaning towards the Ruger LCP semi-auto . After hearing your comment on the hammer of a revolver covering more surface of the rimfire cartridge , it makes a lot of sense . I`m now going to purchase the Ruger LCR revolver . Thank you !!
I have the LCR 22lr and I love the gun. Bought it when they first came out and I’ve shot thousands of rounds with no problem. Since it’s a rim fire, the trigger is a little strong, but easy to get used to. I’ve been considering the LCR in 22 mag, but ballistic reports indicate you don’t get the velocity with a 2” barrel. Lucky Gunner did a great review and ballistic test on a number of 22 lr’s, and the winner for penetration and a little expansion were CCI velocitor.
@@troxle1r you may want to try the new federal punch 22. I want to get one of these but I worry about the trigger. I’ve had a 642 but I don’t know how the triggers compare.
@@troxle1r How is the trigger now?
Get the S&W, much lighter, much lighter trigger pulls in my experience. I have the LCR with 16lbs trigger, also 1/3 heavier than the S&W. The Ruger light rack with the new spring kits would be excellent.
100% in agreement with everything you mentioned.
One thing about the bullet surface area, a doctor who specializes in gunshot trauma, mentioned that sometimes the bigger surface area has a better chance of tearing an artery. I will take the trade of because I can shot place faster with less recoil target reacquisition .
I carry a 22 mag. Realatively cheap to practice with and practice is the key !
You’ll almost certainly never need it. And being small, handy and light means you will have it if you do need it. A Shield or G19 are big enough to get left behind.
All the fuds are going crazy...lol. Great video. I love 22lr.
In the 1986 FBI Miami Shootout the one of the agents shot the killer perfect central shot in the torso, the bullet expanded perfectly... and penetrated fairly deep but stopped JUST SHORT of reaching the heart. They lost a lung but their other lung was working, their heart was working, they weren't out of the fight. For the next 35 years people have kidded themselves that the problem was a lack of expansion when if that million dollar bullet had failed to expand at all it would have gone right through his heart and stopped the fight much sooner.
Miami Shootout was definitely an interesting case study. The shot you are referring to was far from perfect though. It went through his arm, rib, and lung before stopping shy of the heart. It was the impetus for law enforcement moving toward the 40 SW and away from both revolvers and the 9mm. As most targets are moving or shots are taken at angles and have to go through flesh and bone to get to vitals. Very rarely does a target present itself straight forward and still like the man size targets we are all accustomed to shooting at the range. These days law enforcement for the most part has moved back to the 9mm. Personally though, I'm more of a revolver guy myself.
@@mrmann44 " Very rarely does a target present itself straight forward" actually in most shootings they do!
@@mrmann44me too, I am left handed and left eye Dominant.
@@mrmann44 "The shot you are referring to was far from perfect though. It went through his arm, rib, and lung before stopping shy of the heart."
. Those are all very likely to be in the way of the vitals. When a weapon is raised in anger, it tends to bring arms up over the chest area. It was no freak occurrence, in terms of area it's about a 50-50 probability.
The extensive consultation and research did not actually directly say "you need a big bullet like 10mm lite / 40-cal" what they actually concluded was "you need this much penetration (expansion just doesn't matter)". The issue came when the FBI top brass said "nah, I still want expansion" and with bullet tech of the 1980s "well, what have we got that will give good penetration through all barriers AND will expand" the only cartridge that fit that requirement was 10mm Norma. Though it was a "lite" load that was replicated in .40 S&W.
One thing you have to consider is the FBI study was NOT to evaluate how recoil affected accuracy. They were told "just sort out the terminal ballistics concern" but in that gunfight the vast majority of rounds fired completely missed. Most of the bullets that hit were not to the vitals.
I appreciate the objective, data-driven approach to your content! It's really helpful! One of the best channels out here!
Paul Daniel thanks much!
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 B.S. The chances are that your attacker will have a larger caliber and more capacity. Why would you put your self at a disadvantage in a life or death situation??!!
Your agenda is noted and .22s were not designed for defensive use. They were designed for Rifle length barrels too, NOT PISTOLS.
All your 'Advice' in this video is complete lies and it could even end up with some people getting killed.
PS: Demonstrate these CON- C3PTS!
I have a S&W 43c, love my 22lr revolver. My calculus was; carry gun must be light or you don't carry..... the lighter the gun the higher the recoil..... this must be mitigated as accuracy is paramount..... recoil is reduced by lowering caliber..... lowering caliber increases ammo capacity..... 22lr fits the bill and ammo is plentiful and cheap - S&W 43c :)
LCR is a little bigger and I wanted pocket carry, only reason I chose the S&W.
I wish it wasn't so expensive though
I used an identical conclusion. Got down to the LCR or 43c. 43c was noticeably lighter so 43c won. 8 rounds of .22lr always with me is better than any larger caliber left at home.
My 43c is back at Smith and Wesson right now for timing issues. If they don't fix it well I am going to get the 22lr Ruger LCR.
@@alexw.1105 S&W doesn't make them nearly as good as they used to.
I need a 43c in my life.....next week.....
This is the most awesome presentation for 22LR in a revolver for self-defense ccw. I'm a certified NRA firearms instructor and have always recommended a 22LR or 22WMR relover to carry for protection. Your presentation was spot on. Revolvers are more reliable than semi-auto and the revolver has just the correct amount of capacity to stop the spray and pray shooting. To all here, note that every bullet that leaves the muzzel has an attorney and a judge attached to it. Self-defense is to STOP the threat. Great video.
I have a Charter Amd 22 with 2 inch barrel...8 shot....excellent weapon...with outstanding customer care.
I picked up a Ruger .22 mag LCR at a gun show. I thought what a perfect ladies gun so being the thoughtful husband that I am I bought it for my wife. But she didn't want it. Lucky for me I put a Crimson Trace laser sight on it which really exceeded my expectations. I can point and shoot very quickly from a compromised position. Even lying in bed. The only drawback is it only holds 6 rounds. So I bought an 8 shot Ruger lcrx with a 4 inch barrel. I carry them both everywhere I go. Never had an automatic that didn't jam at some point. I love my Rugers. Easy to carry. Cheap and fun to shoot. And deadly accurate. Dependable.
you do not carry them both everywhere you go
I personally carry a 22lr for self protection up here in Montana. Have zero issue with the 22 Rimfire for this role. When being shot. From a good old reliable revolver. Thanks for the information
My wife and I carry 22lr LCR (hers) and LCRx 3" (mine) and train extensively with them (1-2 visits to the range per week). We've recently switched from CCI Minimags to Velocitors. These Rugers are magnificent EDC's and we can put 8 shots anywhere on the assailant regardless of draw hand. My gal hides hers in a CCW garter most of the time and Sticky makes a great IWB holster for my LCRx 3". We have, shoot, and carry a big selection of 9mm, but our favs by far are these sweet rimfire revolvers!
How do you train / What does a training session look like?
Wish I could afford the range twice a week.
I know that I’m 2 years late but I’ll still add my 2 cents
John Hinkley used a 22 revolver & put 4 men in the hospital. Came within 2 inches of Pres Regan’s heart & left Brady in a wheelchair.
We got lucky. Thank You Sir
New subscriber. Just found you last night. Great content and delivery and not so technical to fly over this old guys head. Revolvers are so unrated. I spent some time in LE back in the wheel gun days just prior to the switch to semi-autos in my department. My recommendation to anyone that has never owned a gun, is frail or weak, is afraid of recoil, is NEVER going to actually train or is just going to leave it in the night stand for the just in case.... get a revolver... a 22 or 22mag revolver. Everyone and their mothers are buying guns these days. My guess is most will never train and will not react to a malfunction properly in a stressful situation. I carry the S&W 351c Air light hammerless 22wmr.. 7 shots on most days. My Kel-tec CMR-30 is in my bug out kit. Also a great round to killing your dinner in a survival scenario. Again.. thanks for the great info. Look forward to more. BTW.. ordering the Proctor sling. Perfect for my AR9 SBR and I do not trust those quick release attachments 100%! Stay safe !!
An old army buddy always loved the 22rl. He still carries a sw 22rl with 3 speedloaders. Here are some clear advantages:
- cheap ammo means lots of training. My friend can hit 2" throat and face shots with frightening accuracy and speed.
- Yes, revolvers have very distinct advantages over semi autos. If it goes "click," you just pull the trigger again. On handed fix. No two handed manipulation plus your weapon may still be on target.
22rl is nothing to be toyed with. A shot thru the eye means instant lights put.
Well that’s all the justification I needed today😂 I found out recently that S&W used to make the 317 airlite in a snubby still with the 8 round cylinder but no safety key hole nonsense, I thought it’d be the perfect thing for the garden and walking the dog in t-shirt weather.
bros 22lr is a vicious deadly beast, please never underestimate the 22/22lr or the 22mag.
I'm a new subscriber to your channel. Thanks for sharing one of the more logical and factual approaches I have run across. Kudos to you on your presentation and research.
Thanks!
Many people including professionals are brain-washed into thinking "expansion" and trauma are the elements of stopping mammals in a self-defense encounter and it's not. Bleed out penetration more important. The only NEGATIVE about 22LR isn't the caliber it's the quality of the round you use. Way too many bulk bought rounds fail. You have to use CCI Stingers or mini-mags for protection. And a revolver is the only way to go for that caliber as well. Great video it's REFRESHING TO HEAR SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FROG HE IS TALKING ABOUT.
Bro your review of self defense descriptions are perfect ! Way to go bro. Cos its true. The only thing Im worried about is " putting holes in blood carring vital organs " , witch is awesome.
IT'S ABOUT TIME someone said it! Expansion is great if you can get it, but punching a hole ten inches into a bad guy will stop him 99% of the time, no matter what caliber. And if you can't control the direction of your snubby barrel, it won't make any dang difference how big the slug is.
Per my FiL, so called "mouse guns" have filled many a six foot deep hole. Also, bullet technology has taken old concepts and breathed new life into them. I like this perspective, and am strongly considering rebuilding my EDC around a small frame, light 22 LR revolver.
Great video, I completely agree with your logic.
I've been watching this channel for about a year now, and I just subscribed! Thumbs up too, and I've been sharing your content with LOT'S of normal folks at the Nevada Tesla Gigafactory! I hope that helps a little bit.
I want something that works WELL at 10 feet or less. That's what I practice at. For example filling up your car with gas and some jackass tries approaching you. That kind of stuff. Better yet, under 4 feet
.22 mag out of a 4-5" Revolver.
Nasty little bullet.
.22 mag packs an awesome punch.
I use 22 rifle and pistol for farm and ranch defense and I know from experience that they are capable of taking down some of the biggest animals that you will in counter. Mainly the larger wild hogs and coy wolf.
Thanks! Really enjoy my new lcr. Practice needed for sure to get tight groups.
Dang, that 3" barrel model looks sweet with the boot grips
I'm glad that I watched this video. I was thinking of getting a .38 colt 4" revolver. I already have a low cost .22, 9 shot, revolver. I don't do ccw and would rather have a 4" barrel. I think that .22 will serve me well. I just need to practice firing fast with accuracy at 25 yds or less. Thanks for the info on penetration
This guy is my idol!
I picked up a S&W 63-5 because I agree with all of your statements:)
Plus...Fun for the whole family!
I am considering getting a s&w 63 with the 3 inch for self defense. Any thoughts
@@somedude4514 pick up a Speedbeez.com speedloader. They also carry IWB holsters.
This was very informative. You did your homework!
All about the dynamic of things!
I have been telling my fellow brethren this for eons...
Good reasoning. I agree.
Very well presented. You went over all the pertinent factors I personally believe actually matter in self defense.
It's a gun that you will actually carry all of the time. Great video.
Great video I agree with your philosophy with one exception. The m&p compact 22 for me has been excellent in reliability shooting the following ammo- cci of all types, Winchester super x, aguila, and blazer standard 22 lead ammo. Out of 2000 rounds fired I had one, failure to load (Winchester ammo). That personally is good enough for me to be in my carry rotation. I love revolvers and own a few, but the triggers on the rim fire revolvers are not to my liking. I have tried the lcrs and the smith/ Taurus versions in 22/22 mag. Thanks for a great presentation and I will look for more videos on this subject from you!
Nice! That’s well within acceptable. Excellent to hear there are some autos performing to standards. Thanks for watching!
Almost 1,000 fps out of a 1.875” LCR with Velocitors? Wow! All I need to get now is the LCR-I’ve got a couple hundred Velocitors. I need to go to my LGS tomorrow. As another commenter here said, shot placement is everything.
Pick up some federal punch you get over 1,000fps out of the lcr
I had to send my LCR in 22 mag back twice to Ruger. Bought it new. Trigger locks up...Also spent casings are very difficult to eject.. Gonna get a Smith.
I think this just speaks more to the required level of training that is needed to be effective with different (or any) calibers. It’s not limited to just .22lr or handguns. You could say the same thing for long range shots with something like .50 BMG or 300 Win mag. You need to have trained enough to be familiar with the round’s performance on a particular weapon system. That’s really about as complicated as it gets.
From a theoretical standpoint, a .45 acp round might require less training to be effective on a single shot basis as it’s larger, more massive, and more destructive than a .22. But it’s also harder to shoot and control, especially under duress. From that perspective, .22 really does make more sense because it’s cheap and about as easy to find as it is to shoot. Coupled with good training, I’d wager you could be just as effective shot for shot with something like 9mm or .45-but again, it all goes back to knowing how the round is going to perform
No one talks about how loud most rounds are. If you fire a 22 your ears won’t be ringing, which should make it easier to assess where any intruders are after your first shots. Why does no one talk about this?
It really is a taboo subject written off as ‘doesn’t matter’ and then people put suppressors on everything.
That makes sense. I’m in CA so I don’t think suppressors are an option for me. You didn’t mention the reliability of the longer barrel LCRX(?). Should it be the same as the shorter one?
The noise can permanently damage your ears too, especially if u r in a confined space like an elevator. .22mag is much louder than 22lr.
Much easier for a lot of people to use small revolvers than semi auto .
Absolutely agree regarding penetration over expansion. Also, if you're not using electronic earmuffs with a shotgun or centerfire handgun, you're going to be deaf for awhile. Not so with a .22. Search youtube for comedian Bill Burr's take on a .22 for home defense.
Thank you it’s all about shot placement!!
Enjoyed your video, very well thought out with good presentation. I carry a Taurus 941ul which holds 8 rounds of .22 mag. Good job
Never underestimate the mighty .22lr
Trebor Kroy when it works, it works😉
I like your logic regarding .22 self defense. I own more .22's than any other caliber, gauge or bore, which doesn't really equate to your topic, just that I have plenty of options available for EDC carry. Keep up the relevant topic material & stay safe.
just found your account, enjoying the videos! Would love to hear more about the LCR vs 43c in 22. Scrolling through the comments now...
I have the 351PD, 351C, and have a 43C coming! Practice, practice, practice.
Excellent advice here. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻🤠
You are 100% right! Excellent video, thank you
I'm still working on running a Walther PPK/s 22 lr through its break-in period. I have to say that it hits the rim with such force that you can see a definite crimp on the rim of the cartridge shell. The down side is that it is currently having issues with extracting some empty shells using a mixed bag of 22lr ammo. The Sig Sauer P938-22 shots flawlessly with the CCI ammo, but take into consideration that the CCI ammo is the best 22lr ammo that is out in the market.
Most of the .22lr auto’s out there are Walther’s branded as Sig’s, S&W’s and even Ruger’s if they are sims of existing full size guns. Heck even GSG, (German Sport Gun) are typically Walther’s, just lower QC and materials.
@@john-paulsilke893 Did not know that. The PPK/s now eats also everything that I put through it. Just needed a thorough cleaning and break in period.
I am currently having the same issue with my S&W .22 compact. As mentioned, many .22's are walter rebranded but the S&W compact is not (full size is though).
Not one FTF due to ammo, and my first two boxes were Remington Thunderbolt that was about 15 years old (don't ask).
Punching holes... Well, how about that. 😂 .22 LR is a very under estimated round. I'm a former LEO and today an owner operator truck driver. My EDC is a 9mm S&W Shield. My bug out bag includes a 22LR revolver and 22LR take down rifle. Why 22 for bug out and survival? Easy lots of hollow point ammo and not the weight of big calibers. You can shoot 22LR quite rounds out of a rifle for hunting small game and it sounds like an air rifle. You can load CCI 22 stingers in a revolver for more punch than the standard CCI mini mag. Great video.
Plus if the round doesn't go off, pulling trigger again rotates the cylinder for a new round - verses - semiauto have to perform 2 separate manual functions.
Great vid! I do agree about the reliability of the revolver for sure... Especially for a 22... because it just simply just doesn't have a lot of gas and pressure to run a semi as reliably as more conventional calibers. I did recently purchase one for a family member in her 70's now. Surprisingly the Taurus TX22. She broke her dominant hand a couple years ago and had surgery. That gun is a very gently machine... Have run 500 rounds of Aguila 22LR SuperExtra 40gr copper plated high velocity. Not a single problem yet. (it felt a little... sticky at first... but after 100 or so rounds it seemed to smooth out) My main rule with it is ... keep it super clean and lubricated. I am confident it will be reliable. She feels comfortable using it. Even she was a little skeptical if it was acceptable as a defense weapon... Till I showed her exactly what your talking about. I really appreciate your content. Honestly I think the main problem will be finding enough ammo to feed it... its a fun gun... and the shelves are awfully empty! Thanks again for the great post!
*edit* on the weekend I am planning to work with her on clearing a jam or misfire or stove pipe ect... waiting for some dummy rounds in the mail. Even though this gun has re-strike... I personally think its better to train to re-chamber a round immediately... rather than waste another .5 seconds trying to re-strike a dud. (another advantage a revolver has too lol! Anyway ... Many Blessings!
I think this would be a great gun to throw in a bug out/get home bag. Easy to carry a fair amount of ammo and super easy to hide and carry.
Very good points. 22lr doesn't cycle reliably. In a revolver, your reliability is much better, but I don't dig the lcr/X's heavy trigger.
No, this is NOT the 'dumbest thing ever'. Thank you for the info.
Saw a video with the ballistics head. Complete with skull brains and blood. 1st shot went to,the,back of skull fragmented the,skull and,brain. And,caused,most of,blood to drain out. Id say the,22 will keeel
I just bought a clear ballistic gel block and I am going to test Federal Punch 22lr in it out of a Smith and Wesson 43C. I like to see more people doing this stuff.
The LCR22 gave 14.5”-16” penetration.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Was that through 4 layers of denim first?
Ruger LCRx is an excellent weapon. The .22 magnum rounds are constructed like larger caliber bullets, they maybe even a better choice for self defense.
I find 22wmr revolvers appealing too. The problems with wmr revolvers (vs lr) are lower capacity (Ruger) more recoil (S&W) and too heavy a revolver for your pocket (Taurus). Oh, and it's more expensive ammunition than 22lr. The S&W 351c with 7 rounds of 22wmr ticks most boxes, but it's a little snappy, and so expensive. There are other viable choices of handgun and or caliber if you want more power than 22lr in a compact weapon.
@@Zoco101 we're looking at the taurus 942 in .22wmr as the 2nd house backup and not for carry...plus I like the price compared to the other two...we have a modest stash (bought another 50 rds of hornady today) of .22wmr for our heritage, but that gun not really suitable for HD...or am i over thinking all this?
@@PetuniaIii-pd1ww Sounds like a good application! A good choice! Have you considered carrying your Taurus 22wmr revolver in a "fanny bag" at home? Then you can always reach it in 2 seconds, even in the garden or the bathroom, or answering the door, and nobody else can. Regarding the Heritage, IMO it could save you too, if you can operate it quickly enough. The most important thing (and here I agree with the great Masaad Ayoub) is reaching your gun quickly.
@@Zoco101 I own the 351c. I got a pretty good and it was still expensive. Excellent carry piece. 7 rounds will do it where I go.
@@johnnybeanz1296 Congratulations! One of the best revolvers it seems.
I know people that can't run a G19 with 124 grain jhp, but can run a 6, 8, or 10 shot .22 revolver. The revolver is fun to shoot and encourages practice, from both a fun and cost perspective. Plus, only hits count. The negatives come in when discussing roving bands of multiple criminals. Unfortunately, there are more of those, locally, than before.
I do not disagree with anything you said, I would just say that a hammer fired semi-auto is worthy of consideration as well. One of my every day carries is a 1911 in 22LR.
Me too 45 with a 1950 colt..22 conversion a great shooter.jim
Nobody realizes how much those smaller rounds bounce around , I was involved in a firearm accident 5 years ago in may with a 25 , entered chest right above heart went down collapsed left lung , tore diaphragm which affected both lung function , then went through and ruptured spleen that had to be be removed an ended up in my back thats still there today inches from spine you can feel under the skin by touch ,that bounce around was no joke
fake story
Watch the early seasons of The first 48. I believe it was a .25 victim was shot in the leg no other wounds projectile was found in the heart.
Also learned high point battle tested and proven in tha hood..
@@farklestaxbaum4945 yeah so is the 30k life flight bill I still owe , I don't need clout on yt my guy the comment was about small rounds not look at me I took a bullet I'm cool ... because I'll tell you there was nothing cool about it
@@wkdewok more people have been killed in the US by 22 than any other round, the night stalker also used 22,which would obviously be the most comparable to a 25 , they're pretty much doing away with the round now
@@JayTX. there's no evidence that that statistic has ever been recorded by the fbi or any other agency or source. It appears to be just a myth. BUT according to some reputable folks people shot with 22 rifles often do not survive. I'd assume the same would be said for punch or velocitors in a handgun. I definitely don't wanna be at the receiving end of anything. Also good to know you survived your incident, thanks for sharing the story.
right, I've had issues with every semi-auto 22LR I've ever owned.
Thanks for the interesting video. I'm interested in the topic of rapid defense. For a long time now we've been taught that we must use a two-handed grip on every handgun and shoot through the sights. But if and when our target/perp is very close (virtually grappling distance) and we have say 1 second to draw, there must be an argument for single-handed shooting, maybe even from the hip or some other strange angle.
It seems to me that a 22lr revolver (with no felt recoil) has an extra advantage here. I'm also thinking here about shooting in the home or car, where angles, obstacles or other people might stop us getting a two-handed grip. Would anybody like to comment?
For contact distance shooting, especially one handed, these little guns are excellent. Here is a video of exactly what you are talking about on my Instagram:
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@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Thanks. I've followed the link. It looks like a very agile firearm & system of use.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Nicely done.
You i am getting the lcr to go with my lcpii 22lr and mt lcrx 3 inch. Running the punch and segmented cci 1235 fps. Great info. Really making my ccw much more comfortable. Still keeping my 9s and ar style for SHTF situation but ragular carry teally starting to incorporate 22lr with confidence
Careful using the segmented stuff for anything but pest control. Very shallow penetration.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918
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You make such a logical argument for the 22lr. It makes me wander if the larger caliber guys give you static?
I have like 1100 rounds through my Glock 43 and probably 12000 through my lcrx. This makes me want to carry the lcrx.
How do you rate the LCR in 38 Special with Liberty Civil Defense hyper velocity HP for stopping power on a large powerful violent aggressor compared to Ruger LCR in 22 LR using a self defense round such as Federal Punch 22, which Jason of Buffalo Outdoors tested to be very effective round. His shooting skills are like yours: Phenomenal.
We love your channel and his as our very favorite.
An added benefit to most modern 22lr revolvers is you typically have 8 rounds vs 5 or 6 in most small revolvers. I can shoot 38 snubnoses ok, but the 22lr are a lot easier. Important point, I have lightweight s&w 22lrs that match your Rugers, but mine still need cleaned to run reliably. Mainly talking about keeping grime from under the cylinder star. This may not be a problem for the Rugers.
0214Bub they need cleaning. The semi autos have failures even when perfectly clean (all the ones I’ve owned and shot)
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Totally agree. Personally I have found semiauto pistols to have higher failure rates than rifles and that's with using good ammo, but neither are 100%.
I agree on the revolver. That goes for any rimmed cartridge. Rimmed cartridges like revolvers and tube magazines. Box mags can work, but, its a lot tougher to make them work mechanically and reliably.
I live in the woods, so I have to have more power for larger critters like feral hogs. So I run a heavier weapon. But, for street defense, yeah, it will probably work.
What is your reasoning for picking RUGER LCR over S&W 43C
Its nice to find people on the web telling the truth about 22 lr for self protection its funny all the tactical ninjas out there wont let any one shoot them with a 22 to prove there idea that 22 wont hurt them great vid
I’d have to agree about 22 autos generally being problematic. But I’ve had really good luck with Ruger MkII and Mk III pistols, even with junk ammo, when they’re filthy. Super reliable. I think they’re sprung really conservatively, and overbuilt.
Have had lots of jams with 10/22s and S&W autos when they get dirty, ammo quality is iffy, especially in the cold.
Love the LCR. Mines a 9mm, just ordered your hook grips for it.
Great video ! Thanks for the information. Stay safe out there.
I am seriously considering a Ruger LCRx in 22lr as a carry gun. 22 is plenty reliable in revolvers and I get 8 rounds capacity.
I love the .22 cartridge,
QUESTION? Can you interview someone that has been shot with that caliber? I think that'll be awesome so we ppl can know the mindset of someone at that time.
Damn... I've been convinced, I need a .22 revolver.
I'm still going to go with 9mm 99.99% of the time, but the data lines up, .22 can certainly do the job.
I wish underwood and Lehigh made full copper defensive 22lr and 22 wmr rounds.
Unfortunately my LCR 22 has spent most of its time back at Ruger. Trigger sticks, cases get stuck so hard in chambers it takes a hammer to get them out. Least reliable 22lr I have owned.
That’s a first! Sorry to hear. Can I ask what ammo you’re shooting and if you’ve checked for carbon rings in the cylinders?
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 I have tried a variety of ammo but mostly CCI minimags since Ruger uses that for its testing. The nickel cases seem to work much better but the spent cases still rub the recoil shield just not as hard as the brass. The gun always stops on round number 7 as that is when the spent cases start to reenter the cylinder.
I think this time back Ruger will replace the gun as he mentioned that the first time it went back and they could not duplicate the issue because they only fired 2 cylinders of CCI. I asked them to fire 4 this time. He did tell me the 22 LCR is the most difficult gun Ruger makes as the tolerances are the tightest of any gun they produce.
I actually polished the chambers with Fitz polish and a cotton wrapped bore brush and it did help a little bit but not enough to run the gun past 4 cylinders.
Ruger has been responsive and is working with me so no knock on their customer service.
@@demonstratedconceptsllc4918 Ruger told me the LCR will not run on CCI minimags or clean ammo. It will also not run on any Aquilla ammo. If it only runs on punch it sort of defeats the purpose of a 22 since punch costs more than 9mm range ammo. I might as well carry a 9mm revolver.
The one consistency I've noted over the past ten years with tests on 22lr is that it is very, very consistent at going through one, and not more than one, skull wall out of a rifle.
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Great info. Thanks again man
I own a .38 special and was looking to buy a 9mm, but never thought of a .22 since it is a small caliber, now I am thinking about it...
The 9mm is considerably snappier than 38spl
I love your videos. I’ve been debating on getting either a 38 lcr or 22lr lcr. My only hesitation on getting the 22lr is the heavy trigger pull and how dirty the 22lr ammo is. I have short stubby fingers that don’t have a lot of strength in them.
Appreciate the info! Good stuff!
You’re amazing with this gun. What about federal punch? Only difference with more massive bullet is you’ll go through ribs and other bones. I assume 22lr won’t. That’s why I compromised with one less round but a 22mag 351C.
Just got a SW 43c feeding it Federal Punch 29gr. No hollow point, because I don't expect expansion.
Agree shot placement is the key
One thing its worth pointing out is that heavier bullets and larger calibers only change the percentages of stopping an attack. NOTHING can give you 100% certainty short of beheading them with a sword. Anything else regarding hand guns and you're simply balancing chance of stop over firepower. Say you're running a .357 with gold dot hollow points and a 98% chance of a one stop shot. Sounds like great odds till you realize you could run into that 2% still coming type rather than the rest who drop with one shot. Reality is random that way.
So any hand gun caliber is a balancing act and a calculated risk.
Good job bud,, ,it's the swarm of them lil rounds , no recoil,, what I mean is I have 9 in the average pistol , 15 in my "go to" ,, if it's a real threat,, nothing surpasses a 22. For the volume of rounds I can accurately place in about 1 second , a knowledge of basic human anatomy is important too , ✌️
Considered lightening up the trigger spring a "tad" on these LCR's? I know they are quite heavy, a consequence of reliable rimfire ignition, but I would say they are beyond being reliable and into the "lawyer" zone of trigger weight.
Enjoyed the video. Thanks.
Single action trigger pull on all 22 revolvers is a real buzz kill.