Exact-A-Mundo that's why anything released by Prince's estate is not something they can say is "Prince". First anything found in his vault are things who worked in and shelved for reasons only known to him, Prince. Second, since Prince will have only written the music from his vault that means he has not produced arranged or anything else that makes Prince's music PRINCE. Which is why I haven't listened to anything that has been released by his Estate, its not Prince. Prince shelved "Welcome to America" for a reason so his estate releasing it did NOT give me FOMO. It made me sad and extremely mad, when it was released. I guess the accountants who were jumping with glee with thoughts of how much money they would make selling his songs didn't realize we the true people who understand and listen to Prince aren't buying it, Disgusting!!!,
What I would have given to have been able to work at this studio when artists like Prince and so many others were there creating and recording. Granted, I probably would have been on the janitorial staff and obviously not allowed in the studio but maybe to come in contact with the mojo floating around the atmosphere!!
If Susan Rogers is interesting to anyone here...go and take a listen to her on Ted . She is an absolute genius. I know why Prince valued her and loved her so much. 🎉 I truly needed someone in my life as an early teen...a type of mentor. Someone just like Susan Rogers. My mother and father never let me do anything! I wanted to dance at a young age . I started singing at fifteen years old . I sm older now and have been an artist (drawing/painting) for quite some time. I respect Susan as a teacher so much !
I love Dr. Susan! The way she explains things is so clear and relatable. And the word picture she painted of Prince at the end is stunning! Armed with this explaination, I wonder even more how much Prince's childhood seisures contributed to his gift?
So much of what Prince created is trapped in the vault. I understand what Susan is saying, I as a musician would love to listen to the arc of his work. A piece of every day as he created his universe. That is how you understand a hypercreative, you need to bigger picture to see it develop and change.
I know what she's talking about even though it's just in my tiny world where fame will never and should never come to me, I'm not that good. The times where you're lost in creating something. Haiving someone there talking doesn't work for me. Have to be left alone, no phones, no people. And please, I'm no Prince, no no no. I'm just me and I feel like that making things. This is why it's really hard for me to jive with people sometimes. Their phone, their day, their brother, Mother, Father, work, car, house, phone again, phone again.... Having been blessed with finding music at a very young age I can immerse myself in music, and some other things when my mind is turned on. Nothing Earth shattering obviously but those things are mine. Love this clip!!!
In 1985 the local SoCal beach scene had some of the best cover bands. All had Prince in their set list. I was 27yo and it was some of the best times of my life. Friday nights we would close the bars and then drive a mile up the road to Manhattan Beach and have breakfast at “the Kettle” I’d get home around 3:30am. Sleep late, get up, play some tennis or hit the beach and do it all over again Saturday night. Good times! 🤓🥳🤘🏌️
Sounds like a blast! Funny that Susan said in the extended interview that Prince specifically didn’t like his music being covered, and that was partial reason for him intensely layering songs unlike any other artist.
Gratitude for sharing this perspective & insight! Prince was on a mission had a constant flow thru him with the ability to translate it ~ what was in his mind was fully formed to be brought forth! An exceptional Gift he shared with the World 👑🎶💜🌎
This is great stuff. The term Hypercreative is a fairly new concept to me. I would like to throw my 2 cents in. I have been a graphic/logo designer for almost 45 years. I don't believe you are born with Hypercreativity but you create your level of creativity and with each creation you receive a chemical release in the brain that becomes addicting. I think there is more and I would venture that Prince had a touch of Autism. I don't mean to compare my level of creativity with Prince but there are some similarities. Growing up I always knew I was different, I was never terribly successful in the academic arena but in solitude things would happen. I am pretty sure Prince spent a lot of time alone and only interacted with people when necessary. When Covid hit I had turned 64. This period affected our design business and without the projects to keep me immersed I started to regress into introspection and mild depression. As I was seeing a therapist he recommended I take a test that revealed that I was indeed Autistic. Other people may have been upset with this diagnosis but to me it was a relief. My life finally made sense. But I am glad I didn't know when I was young and starting life as I may have not done what I did thinking I was not capable.
Hate to bust ya Bubble bro, but it’s almost entirely natural. It’s the one thing that I can say that I’ve seen people be born with. I’m like that myself, I play six instruments and i could write tunes on them before I could even really play them well. I developed this skill at a very young age..
We don't really refer to the condition of neurological divergence as "autism" much any more. At least I do not. As I have explored more of my own experiences and other's; I have come to the conclusion that divergence is more appropriate for me. Although I did test out on the Scale once some time ago. I was never satisfied with the label "autistic".
This world lost a LEGEND when he died. I wonder how many songs have not been released that are on a reel at Sunset Studios. Hmmm....As an avid Prince fan that would be something worth knowing.
I live in Mn and went to the coroners in Ramsey Mn where they held his body the day he died and just sat there. It was surreal. Such an incredible shame.
@@eriklund784 Wow! I can't even begin to know how you feel/felt. It must have been unimaginable to think-"is this REALLY Prince? Is he really DEAD?" He was on my bucket list of celebs to meet....
I still do and will always miss Prince I am so happy to have lived in the same time line as him and got to see him perform and grow up with him. ❤❤A genius❤
Ok. So you take this kid, This hyper creative imaginative genius. Sign him to a record contract. Invest heavily into his multi- talents. Give him the creative freedom to have access to every instrument, assign him to as much studio time as he needed. Pretty much unlimited access to anything and everything that his heart desired, doing what he enjoyed as much as life itself. Unbeknownst to Warner Bros back in 1976, they have just unleashed a Frankenstein's Monster onto the world. Minneapolis would never be the same!
She’s always great unlike some weirdo bitter engineers that were around him for a couple of albums. Talking madness. At least she always keeps it real. No bs just details and pure memory. No bitterness either
This is me. Once I pick up a guitar five hours or more of my life is gone. Haha. The ideas never stop. Sometimes it hurts that my life isn’t set up to realize all these ideas. I just can’t stay up until 5am writing a song and go into work like I used to. If I didn’t have to pay bills doing other stuff I would be making music all day long.
Here I was born and raised in Los Angeles and my musical idol was doing his thing in my city. Geez back then I just thought Prince made his music in a cold warehouse in Minneapolis! Thank you Susan and Sunset Sound
I think I'm hyper creative, or can be. Not a hyper creative genius, but a hyper creative person in general.. A billion thoughts run thru my head at once, while I'm workin on 1 thang, I get half way thru it, and a brand new idea suddenly pops in my head jus as good or betta than what I'm already doin.. And I get xtremely anxious about gettin to the nex thang. I can be versatile or a multi task.. And yes, it is a gift, but also a burden all in one. Because u have to have very strong discipline & self control, if not, u will have piles of incomplete ideas all over the place.. like I do..lol. It's very difficult to stick to one thang til it's complete.. Prince had to have very early on in his age learned self discipline & self control..
I remember hearing someplace that Prince's dad taught him to finish what he started, he seemed to take that to heart and wouldn't leave until the song was finished.
I’d put Frank Zappa in that class of hyper creatives.. a relentless amount of incredibly deep and complicated ideas.. an ability that you have to be born with.
Absolutely. and Frank was open to all forms of expression not just music on tape. Now if we could just pry Ahmet away from control and allow more of it to be heard. So many artists create (especially hyper-creatives) in a way that perfection wasn't the goal, it was to get it all out as fast as possible as best quality as time allowed to make room for the new things that keep coming. You can't impose production polish on that and hope to get any reasonable amount of it out. Live with what is there, let it go. It will be accepted even if it has blemishes.
@@jppagetoo And yet.. Frank managed an incredible attention to detail as well as prodigious output.. beyond his musical ideas, his awareness for the right tonal qualities set his arrangements apart, knowing where instruments should be in the frequency range.. what a mind.
@@leepd1 Yes. And when an artist like Prince or Frank set out to make finished products they do put the production polish on the work. I didn't intend to imply that the artist didn't care about the quality. They did. I meant to say they didn't obsess over some details when it came to the purely creative part of the process. They wanted to get it out and in a form that could be worked on later if that is what they wanted to put out as their art.
@@jppagetoo I get what you're saying, but im thinking we need to get some perspective here, cos we're talking 2 very uniquely talented people that mere mortals couldn't remotely hope to emulate.. the standard was so high that they didn't need to obsess endlessly over the work, with the original idea being of such a high standard.. but yes, they were endlessly creating, and that process wouldn't allow them to sit in the one place.. apparently Frank (according to one of the guys that played with him..) would present the written music to the band, rehearse the shit out of it for 8-10 hours, then come in the next day and change it all and evolve it into something else, and that process never stopped..
I'm going to be a contrarian here: I'm not doubting the high amount of creativity going on in his head. But I can hear when things are rushed and I wish he wouldn't have rushed so much of his output. I remember him telling Oprah that his goal is to write a song a day and thinking "why?". I'm as much a Prince fan as anybody. But this is maybe why things weren't allowed to marinate, let the ingredients blend together. I know he had his vault and this might be the "marinating" place for his output. It's true that he came back to lots of things later. Just speaking for me, I'd rather have a full color movie than a black and white rough draft. Black and white full movies are fine; Dolce Vita and Breathless are but 2 countless examples of that. Sgt. Pepper wasn't created out of a mad creative output. DSOTM; Rumours; how many countless others, same. Release the criticism, folks. I know it's coming because people just blanket love Prince. I love him and always will. But he sure as F wasn't perfect which is how he's being posthumously shaped.
I’ll risk a remark here. When we were HS kids Prince and I attended the same summer music camp. We were not from the same towns nor were we friends until then. He was going by the name Skipper so the Prince thing didn’t stick with me and I made no connection as he rose to fame. He was very much a loner. For some reason he deemed me ‘safe’ enough to hang out with. That environment was not particularly accommodating to his predilection. The emphasis assumed basic musical literacy (being able to read music) & some conventional technical skills. He occupied a spot in the percussion section for the concert band setting and drum set for the jazz ensemble. I assume due to the situation he did not present as virtuosic by any means. Probably more akin to fish out of water. He was very eager and curious and didn’t appear to be put off be the impatience of those around him, students and teachers alike. On our down time there he would seek me out privately and confide about the musical stuff he said was in his head. I too was interested in the creative side so we kinda fit. One memory I have is of the afternoon I was sitting alone just noodling at the piano…no real chops at all, just letting one sound lead to another. I became aware of a quiet presence in the room with me and turned to see Skipper standing there watching/listening intently. “How are you coming up with the sounds you’re making?” he asked. My response was probably no more profound that stated here above. But this did result in ensuing and on-going dialogue occupying this other space - the world of tapping in to one’s own mind and expressing these conjurings musically. Skipper confessed he was not familiar with traditional/formal music pedagogy (didn’t use that word…good thing, I’d not have known it). He did say he felt accomplished on guitar and seemed to have no end to sounds in his head that he could express thusly. To me he seemed a dreamer. As in the kind virtually detached from reality as his fantasy ideas seemed more real than the physical/social world he occupied. I recall feeling sorry that he didn’t fit in better. There’s more but that’s the gist as it may relate to this interesting post.
I understand completely, I am a creative exactly like this, my craft comes in storytelling and stained glass artwork. My mind looks at a glass jar, vase, cup and other glass mediums and say "what can I do to make this beyond just glass". There is "Shock G" from the Hip-Hop Group "Digital Underground" who worked with Prince on "Love Sign" from "Crystal Ball". Shock G worked exactly just like as you are saying the only thing is Shock G used drugs to try and stop the music, the sound and most likely the voices he heard in his head. Prince used the constant thoughts he had coming through creatively(from a very young age) by writing them down and putting them to music. Prince could visualize sounds(Elephants & Flowers). That's why anything new that his estate releases would not sound or feel like anything Prince would put out because he's not producing arranging and everything else that makes his music, his craft his art form, its not Prince. Peace Love and Blessings ✌💜🙏💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Yes, really interesting- at first I thought it was a “grainy” type of film treatment that’s used sometimes, but I looked at other Sunset S videos and I didn’t see any in those videos ( except for one or two in the Apollonia interview) . 🙂
we romanticize a little bit the geniuses, as we probably should :)... we can certainly benefit from their efforts and work but i'm not sure we spend enough time realizing what it means to live w/ that level of intensity... our minds and bodies are not meant to work that way and we often hear references to the inability to rest. both stress and excitement can keep us up all night and we'd prefer the latter but it doesn't take too many nights of no sleep to be unable to differentiate between the two...
You can be creativ and produce a lot of music etc. but it also has to have the respond. there are a lot of things and music produced, but it needs to be sold, so it has to be good.
... And just like that, it becomes clear. In my own language, the term hyper-creativity describes what I would call "Reed Richards/Peter Parker" syndrome and what most people think of when they think of absent-minded professors and the like. The ideas just won't stop, and you'll never execute even the top 1 percent. I can only imagine it as a hell of its own, or perhaps as a part of his own personal cross to bear.
I think she's referring to Tommy Jordan, who was part of the band Geggy Tah that she mentions at 03:21. They were a couple for a while, but I don't know if they still are. Maybe at the time of this interview they were simply friends. Just a guess.
You'll notice that when Susan says that Prince played all the instruments, she specifically mentioned keyboards, drums, bass guitar and vocals. *I keep telling anyone who will listen those are the ONLY instruments Prince EVER played on his records or in concert. Period.* He did not play 24 or 32 instruments, he played four or five depending on your view of vocals. That's ALL he needed to play in order to make pop music. Anything else was played by someone else, usually wind instruments by Eric Leeds or others and orchestral instruments by Clare Fischer's orchestra (after orchestration by Fischer, not Prince).
Not to argue, but as a musician, I consider Prince as being proficient on tambourine, finger cymbals, timbales, congas, triangles, synths, piano, organ, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, bass guitar, and drum kit at least. I'm sure there's more if you count things like the PurpleAxe or other percussions like say maracas and clave. Sure, you can make sound come from any instrument without skill, but proficiency is another thing entirely. I wasn't in the studio with him, but by all accounts, Prince could play a lot of that stuff well enough to get over. I don't know if it's 24 instruments, but I think it's technically and realistically more than 5 instruments.
Eddie was a hypercreative too! Ideas never stopped, as we recently heard Alex attest to. We call them geniuses. I don't think I would want a gate if I had the choice. :)
I will expaned on that Creative thoughts so you can get a little moor understanding how because I am one Made this way. The poster for instance I would want to Take the Real life photo and Mix it With The Fantasy cartoon then With colors but Still overwhelming it With The Real life Photo we mix the Real life with the Fantasy. See that as I explained that statement should be a song Title or cover ( Real life with Fantasy ) I hope you can Understand it A little.
People who believe in PhDs and other things that make them something that they are not, are best avoided. There is ego there, that sits over the top of insecurities that you don't want to deal with. It's the people with PhDs and know it's paper are the ones you want to talk to.
Insights like these make it sound like artists like Prince created daily or weekly or at least several times a month, yet the artists put out only so many albums. Like the legend of Eddie Van Halen having a bookcase full of demo cassettes/riffs. I’m curious of the story between the running faucet of unbridled creativity and the eventual output and sharing with the public. Maybe the fact of the matter is 99% of what’s created is considered uncommercial by the artist or producer…while from the fan’s side, I bet quite a bit of the volume of output would be very listenable (like how some “album-filler” unreleased singles become cult fan favorites, like every track on every Van Halen album w/DLR for me, and every single Cars track), if not potential unexpected hits (like some Tom Petty or Billy Joel hits that almost never got put on a given album) that will never see the light of day.
As a creative musician I believe things like weed and other drugs also help to keep those gates open. They must be used sparingly or else they quit working. I have learned to keep the creative area alive while playing because listening to what is being played sparks so many new ideas. I think this lady is a bit stuck in her thinking here.
I ain't buyin' it. I think that you will creativity. It is a choice. All humans are creative to one extent of another. we came from the stone age, where creativity, in order to survive, was mandatory. So, we all have it. It's a matter of motivation, as to whether or not people use it, and to what degree they use it. People that gain pleasure out of creativity are going to embrase it. People that have to push themselves to be creative, they'll succeed, but they won't have as much motivation to be creative (their's is literally meeting a problem with creativity.) Plus people have to give themselves permissioin and encouragement to be creative. That's self talk. (PS: The reason that Prince came in with music in his head is because he had to pay for studio time, and people in the studio are depending on you. Being prepared makes sense. They taught that in Boy Scouts.) What do I know about the subject? As a person who has produced two, one man band CDs (One alt contry, one jazz) where I wrote all songs, recorded all parts, played all instruments, did all singing, I've walked in those kind of shoes. I also perform all original music at winery events. That helps in knowing what she's talking about.
Dr. Rogers has literally studied the neuroscience behind what she described on top of having been a studio engineer for Prince among others. But sure you "ain't buying it" 🙄
Elon Musk talked about this, he explained that his brain is "a never ending explosion of ideas". Then he quipped "you wouldn't want to be me". He appears to have hyper creativity coupled with the ability to bring forth these ideas into the world quickly. Musk's early childhood is similar to Prince, they both had violent/abusive fathers and got beat up regularly at school for not fitting in.
I’m 67 and I’ve been a musician my whole life. Never heard a Prince song that made me purchase one of his albums unlike other artists like Rick James or Sting
Thats relates to YOUR taste in music and what you like as an individual. Not one Rick James song appeals to me. I do love a lot of Sting songs. I love just about every Prince song I've heard.
I understand people with an EdD being insecure enough to insist on being called “Doctor” - they’ve got a fast-food skillset. The Mickey-mouse degree is all those people have. But it’s really weird and sad to see that kind of cheap, trashy vanity coming from someone who’s actually accomplished.
But then the guy interviewing her says “I’m hyper-creative”. Oh, for God’s sake. The only adjective that applies equally to him and Prince is “biped”. And you can tell she’s thinking the same thing.
Doesn't sound like Prince had any of these ADHD symptoms...Disorganization, problems prioritizing, poor time, management skills, problems focusing on a task, trouble multitasking...he was a musical genius.
Prince was a great musician, but calling him hyper-creative is a bit laughable. His music career ended after 1986 for me. He was NOT a good songwriter after the mid 80s.
Even though *you* didn't like what he did after 1986, there's no denying that he continued to create at an incredible pace for decades after that. I think given that Dr. Rogers is an expert in this field and she actually worked with Prince, she's in a better position to make that call
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These interviews are pure gold to someone who misses the magic of music and true musicianship.
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Exact-A-Mundo that's why anything released by Prince's estate is not something they can say is "Prince". First anything found in his vault are things who worked in and shelved for reasons only known to him, Prince. Second, since Prince will have only written the music from his vault that means he has not produced arranged or anything else that makes Prince's music PRINCE. Which is why I haven't listened to anything that has been released by his Estate, its not Prince. Prince shelved "Welcome to America" for a reason so his estate releasing it did NOT give me FOMO. It made me sad and extremely mad, when it was released. I guess the accountants who were jumping with glee with thoughts of how much money they would make selling his songs didn't realize we the true people who understand and listen to Prince aren't buying it, Disgusting!!!,
What I would have given to have been able to work at this studio when artists like Prince and so many others were there creating and recording. Granted, I probably would have been on the janitorial staff and obviously not allowed in the studio but maybe to come in contact with the mojo floating around the atmosphere!!
I love how Dr. Susan Rogers explains the neuroscience behind the nature of hyper-creative geniuses, such as Prince.
Love learning more about the beloved and always treasured Prince! He will forever be in our ears and hearts.
If Susan Rogers is interesting to anyone here...go and take a listen to her on Ted . She is an absolute genius. I know why Prince valued her and loved her so much. 🎉 I truly needed someone in my life as an early teen...a type of mentor. Someone just like Susan Rogers. My mother and father never let me do anything! I wanted to dance at a young age . I started singing at fifteen years old . I sm older now and have been an artist (drawing/painting) for quite some time. I respect Susan as a teacher so much !
I feel where you're coming from
@@bigkeezo thank you so much.
Thanks for the heads up on her Ted Talk!
@@wisdomseeker3362keep on singing and keep on drawing. Be you and don't change.
Parents were often concerned about their children "making a living in the arts" and discouraged it.
I love Dr. Susan! The way she explains things is so clear and relatable. And the word picture she painted of Prince at the end is stunning! Armed with this explaination, I wonder even more how much Prince's childhood seisures contributed to his gift?
So much of what Prince created is trapped in the vault. I understand what Susan is saying, I as a musician would love to listen to the arc of his work. A piece of every day as he created his universe. That is how you understand a hypercreative, you need to bigger picture to see it develop and change.
I know what she's talking about even though it's just in my tiny world where fame will never and should never come to me, I'm not that good. The times where you're lost in creating something. Haiving someone there talking doesn't work for me. Have to be left alone, no phones, no people. And please, I'm no Prince, no no no. I'm just me and I feel like that making things. This is why it's really hard for me to jive with people sometimes. Their phone, their day, their brother, Mother, Father, work, car, house, phone again, phone again.... Having been blessed with finding music at a very young age I can immerse myself in music, and some other things when my mind is turned on. Nothing Earth shattering obviously but those things are mine. Love this clip!!!
You can become famous if you want man
Prince once said that it was a burden to be able to play everything you hear. I better understand his plight listening to this interview.
Yes he couldn't shut it off....only occasionally quiet its impact 🎶💜
In 1985 the local SoCal beach scene had some of the best cover bands. All had Prince in their set list. I was 27yo and it was some of the best times of my life. Friday nights we would close the bars and then drive a mile up the road to Manhattan Beach and have breakfast at “the Kettle” I’d get home around 3:30am. Sleep late, get up, play some tennis or hit the beach and do it all over again Saturday night. Good times! 🤓🥳🤘🏌️
Sounds like a blast! Funny that Susan said in the extended interview that Prince specifically didn’t like his music being covered, and that was partial reason for him intensely layering songs unlike any other artist.
Awesome interview and amazing artist Prince
This gave me goosebumps. Can't wait to meet him in Paradise. 💞
Yay! Susan. 🤩😍
Gratitude for sharing this perspective & insight! Prince was on a mission had a constant flow thru him with the ability to translate it ~ what was in his mind was fully formed to be brought forth! An exceptional Gift he shared with the World 👑🎶💜🌎
THIS IS DEEP. MIND BLOWN!
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Great video. The more I learn about Prince the more I learn about my own creativity. Thank you!
Excellent interview!
Sometimes I wanna die and come back, as Susan Rogers....
A one in a BILLION super-talented MAGNET. No one can touch him.🙏🕊
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True! No one!
There are 8 billion people on Earth. Prince is once in a lifetime at best, if not once in a millennium. One in a billion is short changing him.
Susan is the coolest ever 💜💜💜
This made tear up.. she knew him so well, having spent so much time with him She painted a perfect picture of him💜
Susan IS Amazing!
This is great stuff. The term Hypercreative is a fairly new concept to me. I would like to throw my 2 cents in. I have been a graphic/logo designer for almost 45 years. I don't believe you are born with Hypercreativity but you create your level of creativity and with each creation you receive a chemical release in the brain that becomes addicting. I think there is more and I would venture that Prince had a touch of Autism. I don't mean to compare my level of creativity with Prince but there are some similarities. Growing up I always knew I was different, I was never terribly successful in the academic arena but in solitude things would happen. I am pretty sure Prince spent a lot of time alone and only interacted with people when necessary. When Covid hit I had turned 64. This period affected our design business and without the projects to keep me immersed I started to regress into introspection and mild depression. As I was seeing a therapist he recommended I take a test that revealed that I was indeed Autistic. Other people may have been upset with this diagnosis but to me it was a relief. My life finally made sense. But I am glad I didn't know when I was young and starting life as I may have not done what I did thinking I was not capable.
This is so insightful. I think you may have struck upon something. Great comment.
Hate to bust ya Bubble bro, but it’s almost entirely natural. It’s the one thing that I can say that I’ve seen people be born with. I’m like that myself, I play six instruments and i could write tunes on them before I could even really play them well. I developed this skill at a very young age..
We don't really refer to the condition of neurological divergence as "autism" much any more. At least I do not. As I have explored more of my own experiences and other's; I have come to the conclusion that divergence is more appropriate for me. Although I did test out on the Scale once some time ago. I was never satisfied with the label "autistic".
Wow! I would love to work with her some day
Absolutely Devine thank you. 🙏
I'm so glad this got posted - incredible!
This world lost a LEGEND when he died. I wonder how many songs have not been released that are on a reel at Sunset Studios. Hmmm....As an avid Prince fan that would be something worth knowing.
I live in Mn and went to the coroners in Ramsey Mn where they held his body the day he died and just sat there. It was surreal. Such an incredible shame.
Ooh yes...a ....
_LEGEND_ ! ❤
@@eriklund784 Wow! I can't even begin to know how you feel/felt. It must have been unimaginable to think-"is this REALLY Prince? Is he really DEAD?" He was on my bucket list of celebs to meet....
“The Vault”
@@chepad1 Yes, I have the cd and have listened to it MANY times. I'm talking about the "other" thousands of recordings he made.
I still do and will always miss Prince I am so happy to have lived in the same time line as him and got to see him perform and grow up with him. ❤❤A genius❤
Love this!!
Ok.
So you take this kid,
This hyper creative imaginative genius.
Sign him to a record contract.
Invest heavily into his multi- talents.
Give him the creative freedom to have access to every instrument,
assign him to as much studio time as he needed.
Pretty much unlimited access to anything and everything that his heart desired,
doing what he enjoyed as much as life itself.
Unbeknownst to Warner Bros back in 1976,
they have just unleashed a Frankenstein's Monster onto the world.
Minneapolis would never be the same!
Excellent post!
I give a lot of credit to Warner Bros for nurturing his talent. This kind of care and respect is completely absent from record companies today.
@@lavenderbee3611 Frank Zappa once said that Warner had the good sense to stay out of Prince's way
and let the man do what he does best.
Nice!...Great Story!
Its exactly what I expected
Thank you Dr. Rogers, for your insight into the mind of the man. (And a small bit of validation for those of us who can't turn it off). LOL
She’s always great unlike some weirdo bitter engineers that were around him for a couple of albums. Talking madness. At least she always keeps it real. No bs just details and pure memory. No bitterness either
This is me. Once I pick up a guitar five hours or more of my life is gone. Haha. The ideas never stop. Sometimes it hurts that my life isn’t set up to realize all these ideas. I just can’t stay up until 5am writing a song and go into work like I used to. If I didn’t have to pay bills doing other stuff I would be making music all day long.
Thx so much for This epiphany !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😍😍😍😍😍🖖🖖
U guys are looking at her like she's crazy, but I think she's onto something, as a musician, I think she's onto something
Here I was born and raised in Los Angeles and my musical idol was doing his thing in my city. Geez back then I just thought Prince made his music in a cold warehouse in Minneapolis! Thank you Susan and Sunset Sound
WOW!!! Just WOW!!!
He was & Still is the BEST? The Angel of All Angles! I wish I could have met him!
👍🏻 great insight
I think I'm hyper creative, or can be. Not a hyper creative genius, but a hyper creative person in general.. A billion thoughts run thru my head at once, while I'm workin on 1 thang, I get half way thru it, and a brand new idea suddenly pops in my head jus as good or betta than what I'm already doin.. And I get xtremely anxious about gettin to the nex thang.
I can be versatile or a multi task..
And yes, it is a gift, but also a burden all in one. Because u have to have very strong discipline & self control, if not, u will have piles of incomplete ideas all over the place.. like I do..lol.
It's very difficult to stick to one thang til it's complete..
Prince had to have very early on in his age learned self discipline & self control..
Ditto. I might be hyper creative, but certainly above average, except with ADD. Not a good mix
I remember hearing someplace that Prince's dad taught him to finish what he started, he seemed to take that to heart and wouldn't leave until the song was finished.
I’d put Frank Zappa in that class of hyper creatives.. a relentless amount of incredibly deep and complicated ideas.. an ability that you have to be born with.
Absolutely. and Frank was open to all forms of expression not just music on tape. Now if we could just pry Ahmet away from control and allow more of it to be heard. So many artists create (especially hyper-creatives) in a way that perfection wasn't the goal, it was to get it all out as fast as possible as best quality as time allowed to make room for the new things that keep coming. You can't impose production polish on that and hope to get any reasonable amount of it out. Live with what is there, let it go. It will be accepted even if it has blemishes.
@@jppagetoo And yet.. Frank managed an incredible attention to detail as well as prodigious output.. beyond his musical ideas, his awareness for the right tonal qualities set his arrangements apart, knowing where instruments should be in the frequency range.. what a mind.
@@leepd1 Yes. And when an artist like Prince or Frank set out to make finished products they do put the production polish on the work. I didn't intend to imply that the artist didn't care about the quality. They did. I meant to say they didn't obsess over some details when it came to the purely creative part of the process. They wanted to get it out and in a form that could be worked on later if that is what they wanted to put out as their art.
@@jppagetoo I get what you're saying, but im thinking we need to get some perspective here, cos we're talking 2 very uniquely talented people that mere mortals couldn't remotely hope to emulate.. the standard was so high that they didn't need to obsess endlessly over the work, with the original idea being of such a high standard.. but yes, they were endlessly creating, and that process wouldn't allow them to sit in the one place.. apparently Frank (according to one of the guys that played with him..) would present the written music to the band, rehearse the shit out of it for 8-10 hours, then come in the next day and change it all and evolve it into something else, and that process never stopped..
Zappa, Prince and Stevie Wonder
Mind blowing!?;:'"*. ...
I would love to whatch a video of Susan mixing in a tutorial mode to show how she got that sounds
I'm going to be a contrarian here: I'm not doubting the high amount of creativity going on in his head. But I can hear when things are rushed and I wish he wouldn't have rushed so much of his output. I remember him telling Oprah that his goal is to write a song a day and thinking "why?". I'm as much a Prince fan as anybody. But this is maybe why things weren't allowed to marinate, let the ingredients blend together. I know he had his vault and this might be the "marinating" place for his output. It's true that he came back to lots of things later.
Just speaking for me, I'd rather have a full color movie than a black and white rough draft. Black and white full movies are fine; Dolce Vita and Breathless are but 2 countless examples of that. Sgt. Pepper wasn't created out of a mad creative output. DSOTM; Rumours; how many countless others, same.
Release the criticism, folks. I know it's coming because people just blanket love Prince. I love him and always will. But he sure as F wasn't perfect which is how he's being posthumously shaped.
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I’ll risk a remark here. When we were HS kids Prince and I attended the same summer music camp. We were not from the same towns nor were we friends until then.
He was going by the name Skipper so the Prince thing didn’t stick with me and I made no connection as he rose to fame.
He was very much a loner. For some reason he deemed me ‘safe’ enough to hang out with. That environment was not particularly accommodating to his predilection. The emphasis assumed basic musical literacy (being able to read music) & some conventional technical skills. He occupied a spot in the percussion section for the concert band setting and drum set for the jazz ensemble. I assume due to the situation he did not present as virtuosic by any means. Probably more akin to fish out of water.
He was very eager and curious and didn’t appear to be put off be the impatience of those around him, students and teachers alike.
On our down time there he would seek me out privately and confide about the musical stuff he said was in his head. I too was interested in the creative side so we kinda fit.
One memory I have is of the afternoon I was sitting alone just noodling at the piano…no real chops at all, just letting one sound lead to another. I became aware of a quiet presence in the room with me and turned to see Skipper standing there watching/listening intently.
“How are you coming up with the sounds you’re making?” he asked. My response was probably no more profound that stated here above.
But this did result in ensuing and on-going dialogue occupying this other space - the world of tapping in to one’s own mind and expressing these conjurings musically. Skipper confessed he was not familiar with traditional/formal music pedagogy (didn’t use that word…good thing, I’d not have known it). He did say he felt accomplished on guitar and seemed to have no end to sounds in his head that he could express thusly.
To me he seemed a dreamer. As in the kind virtually detached from reality as his fantasy ideas seemed more real than the physical/social world he occupied. I recall feeling sorry that he didn’t fit in better.
There’s more but that’s the gist as it may relate to this interesting post.
I understand completely, I am a creative exactly like this, my craft comes in storytelling and stained glass artwork. My mind looks at a glass jar, vase, cup and other glass mediums and say "what can I do to make this beyond just glass". There is "Shock G" from the Hip-Hop Group "Digital Underground" who worked with Prince on "Love Sign" from "Crystal Ball". Shock G worked exactly just like as you are saying the only thing is Shock G used drugs to try and stop the music, the sound and most likely the voices he heard in his head. Prince used the constant thoughts he had coming through creatively(from a very young age) by writing them down and putting them to music. Prince could visualize sounds(Elephants & Flowers). That's why anything new that his estate releases would not sound or feel like anything Prince would put out because he's not producing arranging and everything else that makes his music, his craft his art form, its not Prince. Peace Love and Blessings ✌💜🙏💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Hello Dr. Rogers, If a musician hears a song and that continues to play constantly; do you know what causes that? Thank You, Alan
i actually find the stories about Prince more fascinating than his music at times.
Prince didn't like to say Good Morning
Yep .
What about this image/light flickering in this video?
Yes, really interesting- at first I thought it was a “grainy” type of film treatment that’s used sometimes, but I looked at other Sunset S videos and I didn’t see any in those videos ( except for
one or two in the Apollonia interview) . 🙂
Spirits and ghosts in here
@@Roundtablewithdrew You mean sparks of creativity? 😄✨🎇
I believe it! @@Roundtablewithdrew
we romanticize a little bit the geniuses, as we probably should :)... we can certainly benefit from their efforts and work but i'm not sure we spend enough time realizing what it means to live w/ that level of intensity... our minds and bodies are not meant to work that way and we often hear references to the inability to rest.
both stress and excitement can keep us up all night and we'd prefer the latter but it doesn't take too many nights of no sleep to be unable to differentiate between the two...
No great art was created from a well balanced person
God made us in a way that we can only think one thought at a time, and if we are thinking what is right, we can not be thinking what is wrong...
You can be creativ and produce a lot of music etc. but it also has to have the respond. there are a lot of things and music produced, but it needs to be sold, so it has to be good.
why did they edit the part out where she clarifies the Neuroscience right after dudebro asserts that he also has this extremely rare condition?
Because nobody wants to hear about him perhaps?
When I was younger my most favorite song of all time was “ When Doves Cry”!
... And just like that, it becomes clear. In my own language, the term hyper-creativity describes what I would call "Reed Richards/Peter Parker" syndrome and what most people think of when they think of absent-minded professors and the like. The ideas just won't stop, and you'll never execute even the top 1 percent. I can only imagine it as a hell of its own, or perhaps as a part of his own personal cross to bear.
I am hyper creative but I keep getting interrupted by family, friends,work and lack of money.
Same
*_Tommy who?_*
I think she's referring to Tommy Jordan, who was part of the band Geggy Tah that she mentions at 03:21. They were a couple for a while, but I don't know if they still are. Maybe at the time of this interview they were simply friends. Just a guess.
@@StellaMayfair7 thx!
I wonder if prince left her anything before he passed .
You'll notice that when Susan says that Prince played all the instruments, she specifically mentioned keyboards, drums, bass guitar and vocals. *I keep telling anyone who will listen those are the ONLY instruments Prince EVER played on his records or in concert. Period.* He did not play 24 or 32 instruments, he played four or five depending on your view of vocals. That's ALL he needed to play in order to make pop music. Anything else was played by someone else, usually wind instruments by Eric Leeds or others and orchestral instruments by Clare Fischer's orchestra (after orchestration by Fischer, not Prince).
Not to argue, but as a musician, I consider Prince as being proficient on tambourine, finger cymbals, timbales, congas, triangles, synths, piano, organ, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, bass guitar, and drum kit at least. I'm sure there's more if you count things like the PurpleAxe or other percussions like say maracas and clave. Sure, you can make sound come from any instrument without skill, but proficiency is another thing entirely. I wasn't in the studio with him, but by all accounts, Prince could play a lot of that stuff well enough to get over. I don't know if it's 24 instruments, but I think it's technically and realistically more than 5 instruments.
Thanks for the interesting video. The declaration of the title is arguable. Turn down the hype dial please.
Eddie was a hypercreative too! Ideas never stopped, as we recently heard Alex attest to. We call them geniuses. I don't think I would want a gate if I had the choice. :)
Eddie Van Halen?
I will expaned on that Creative thoughts so you can get a little moor understanding how because I am one Made this way. The poster for instance I would want to Take the Real life photo and Mix it With The Fantasy cartoon then With colors but Still overwhelming it With The Real life Photo we mix the Real life with the Fantasy. See that as I explained that statement should be a song Title or cover
( Real life with Fantasy ) I hope you can Understand it A little.
what is with the noise filter on the video? As if the content wasn't compelling enough to stand on it's own. It is. Pls drop the "extra"
So who's in the corner?
This broad has made a career of talking about Prince like she made him
People who believe in PhDs and other things that make them something that they are not, are best avoided. There is ego there, that sits over the top of insecurities that you don't want to deal with. It's the people with PhDs and know it's paper are the ones you want to talk to.
Who’s the Tommy guy she’s talking about?
Our standards for what amounts to "genius" have fallen quite far.
Insights like these make it sound like artists like Prince created daily or weekly or at least several times a month, yet the artists put out only so many albums. Like the legend of Eddie Van Halen having a bookcase full of demo cassettes/riffs. I’m curious of the story between the running faucet of unbridled creativity and the eventual output and sharing with the public. Maybe the fact of the matter is 99% of what’s created is considered uncommercial by the artist or producer…while from the fan’s side, I bet quite a bit of the volume of output would be very listenable (like how some “album-filler” unreleased singles become cult fan favorites, like every track on every Van Halen album w/DLR for me, and every single Cars track), if not potential unexpected hits (like some Tom Petty or Billy Joel hits that almost never got put on a given album) that will never see the light of day.
Prince did create almost daily. It's well documented
As a creative musician I believe things like weed and other drugs also help to keep those gates open. They must be used sparingly or else they quit working. I have learned to keep the creative area alive while playing because listening to what is being played sparks so many new ideas. I think this lady is a bit stuck in her thinking here.
Who’s in the corner???
I ain't buyin' it. I think that you will creativity. It is a choice. All humans are creative to one extent of another. we came from the stone age, where creativity, in order to survive, was mandatory. So, we all have it. It's a matter of motivation, as to whether or not people use it, and to what degree they use it. People that gain pleasure out of creativity are going to embrase it. People that have to push themselves to be creative, they'll succeed, but they won't have as much motivation to be creative (their's is literally meeting a problem with creativity.) Plus people have to give themselves permissioin and encouragement to be creative. That's self talk. (PS: The reason that Prince came in with music in his head is because he had to pay for studio time, and people in the studio are depending on you. Being prepared makes sense. They taught that in Boy Scouts.) What do I know about the subject? As a person who has produced two, one man band CDs (One alt contry, one jazz) where I wrote all songs, recorded all parts, played all instruments, did all singing, I've walked in those kind of shoes. I also perform all original music at winery events. That helps in knowing what she's talking about.
Dr. Rogers has literally studied the neuroscience behind what she described on top of having been a studio engineer for Prince among others. But sure you "ain't buying it" 🙄
Sly Stone has to be in the hyper-genius category, and Leon Russell likely does as well.
Elon Musk talked about this, he explained that his brain is "a never ending explosion of ideas". Then he quipped "you wouldn't want to be me". He appears to have hyper creativity coupled with the ability to bring forth these ideas into the world quickly. Musk's early childhood is similar to Prince, they both had violent/abusive fathers and got beat up regularly at school for not fitting in.
This video is 6mins
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I’m 67 and I’ve been a musician my whole life. Never heard a Prince song that made me purchase one of his albums unlike other artists like Rick James or Sting
Thats relates to YOUR taste in music and what you like as an individual. Not one Rick James song appeals to me. I do love a lot of Sting songs. I love just about every Prince song I've heard.
Dr. 😂
Creativity can’t be forced? Guess again! Beatles had to write, practice, and record one album within one month. Because management demanded it.
I understand people with an EdD being insecure enough to insist on being called “Doctor” - they’ve got a fast-food skillset. The Mickey-mouse degree is all those people have.
But it’s really weird and sad to see that kind of cheap, trashy vanity coming from someone who’s actually accomplished.
But then the guy interviewing her says “I’m hyper-creative”. Oh, for God’s sake. The only adjective that applies equally to him and Prince is “biped”. And you can tell she’s thinking the same thing.
If your not a MD , your not a real Dr. !
Of course you are, there are Doctorate degrees in all sorts of subjects. It's not limited to medicine.
I love Prince too but she definitely gassing it
Personally it’s hard to like anything after 1986. Its an unfortunate fact that the groove was lost in favor of “ballad” crap.
Never liked Prince's music. He was prolific though.
So basically Prince was ADHD.
Doesn't sound like Prince had any of these ADHD symptoms...Disorganization, problems prioritizing, poor time, management skills, problems focusing on a task, trouble multitasking...he was a musical genius.
@@MsbupeePrince was an excellent musician and songwriter - but he also produced tonnes of dreary shite. Could say the same about David Bowie.
@@LondonSteveLee Fair enough (excellent artist comparison)!
I’m sure she’s good at what she does.
But her mumbo jumbo would get annoying real fast.🤷♂️
Yes, for NON-THINKERS. Mumbo Jumbo? Wow!
time for meds
Prince was a great musician, but calling him hyper-creative is a bit laughable. His music career ended after 1986 for me. He was NOT a good songwriter after the mid 80s.
Imo His best work was after the mid 80s. I can't stand the sound of the linndrum machine that he used in many of his earlier songs.
Even though *you* didn't like what he did after 1986, there's no denying that he continued to create at an incredible pace for decades after that. I think given that Dr. Rogers is an expert in this field and she actually worked with Prince, she's in a better position to make that call
@@jacfyavrai2440 😂
Tut-tut.