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  • Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
  • Space Station Freedom was a NASA-led multi-national project proposed in the 1980s to construct a permanently crewed space station in low Earth orbit. Despite initial approval by President Ronald Reagan and a public announcement in the 1984 State of the Union Address, the ambitious project faced significant budget cuts and delays. Ultimately, a scaled-down version of Freedom evolved into the US Orbital Segment (USOS) of the International Space Station (ISS).
    "Power Tower" space station concept (1984)
    In April 1984, the newly established Space Station Program Office at Johnson Space Center produced a first reference configuration; this design would serve as a baseline for further planning. The chosen design was the "Power Tower", a long central keel with most mass located at either end. This arrangement would provide enough gravity gradient stability to keep the station aligned with the keel pointed towards the Earth, reducing the need for thruster firings. Most designs featured a cluster of modules at the lower end and a set of articulated solar arrays at the upper end. It also contained a servicing bay. In April 1985, the program selected a set of contractors to carry out definition studies and preliminary design; various trade-offs were made in this process, balancing higher development costs against reduced long-term operating costs
    "Dual Keel" space station concept (1985)
    The newly conceived "Dual Keel" Station emerged as a sophisticated blend of Lockheed and McDonnell Douglas designs, boasting a structure that was significantly stiffer-resulting in enhanced stability. This innovative architecture promised not only increased space for external instruments but also a superior microgravity environment, a marked improvement over its predecessor, the gravity gradient-stabilized "Power Tower."
    In response to the pressing concerns of scientists, the crew size was elevated to eight astronauts. The rationale? A mere six-member team would likely be overwhelmed by the demands of assembly and maintenance, leaving scant time for crucial research activities.
    NASA set its sights on a launch date for the station's first element in January 1993; however, the initial operational capability was pushed back to January 1994. This delay stemmed primarily from a significant budget cut in Fiscal 1986, which slashed funding from $280 million down to a mere $200 million. The implications were profound, reshaping timelines and expectations for this ambitious project..
    Revised Baseline Configuration (1987)
    At the same time, late 1986, NASA carried out a study into new configuration options to reduce development costs; options studied ranged from the use of a Skylab-type station to a phased development of the Dual-Keel configuration. This approach involved splitting assembly into two phases; Phase 1 would provide the central modules, and the transverse boom, but with no keels. The solar arrays would be augmented to ensure 75 kW of power would be provided, and the polar platform and servicing facility were again deferred. The study concluded that the project was viable, reducing development costs while minimizing negative impacts, and it was designated the Revised Baseline Configuration. This would have a development cost of US$15.3 billion (in FY1989 dollars) and FEL in the first quarter of 1994. This replanning was endorsed by the National Research Council in September 1987, which also recommended that the long-term national goals should be studied before committing to any particular Phase 2 design.
    This work is based on "Spacestation 7 - Procedural" (sketchfab.com/...) by re1monsen (sketchfab.com/...) licensed under CC-BY-4.0 (creativecommons...)
    During 1986 and 1987, various other studies were carried out on the future of the U.S. space program; the results of these often impacted the Space Station, and their recommendations were folded into the revised baseline as necessary. One of the results of these was to baseline the Station program as requiring five shuttle flights a year for operations and logistics, rotating four crew at a time with the aim of extending individual stay times to 180 days.
    #ISS #spacestation #nasa
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  • @NickPoeschek
    @NickPoeschek 3 месяца назад +92

    As a kid, I had a poster of the dual keel Space Station Freedom. I’ve always loved that design, it’s still what I think of when I think space station.

    • @modelermark172
      @modelermark172 3 месяца назад +11

      I get that. But I'm a bit older than you. So when I hear the words "Space Station," my mind still defaults to a huge, slowly spinning wheel like the one shown in, "2001: A Space Odyssey." But at this stage; I'll take what we can get . . . .

    • @BZ-bo8dp
      @BZ-bo8dp 3 месяца назад +2

      Or one envisioned by Chesley Bonestell.

    • @_apsis
      @_apsis 3 месяца назад

      @@modelermark172eventually we may have such things; unfortunately space hasn’t been focused on enough to get the funding to build such a thing yet

  • @Strelnikov403
    @Strelnikov403 3 месяца назад +58

    Reagan spoke so eloquently about space. Say what you will about the man, but it was clearly very important to him (or at least the staffer who wrote his tech speeches).

    • @owenrichards1418
      @owenrichards1418 3 месяца назад +10

      Yeah, but what he promised isn't what we got. Instead of a viable launch system, we got the SLS. Same as Bush Snr. talking about the Constellation program. We will be lucky if we can honour the Apollo astronauts on the SIXTIETH anniversary of the moon landing with some form of progress - that's if there are any still alive.

    • @princecharon
      @princecharon 3 месяца назад +8

      Regan was a great actor. He had no problem following a script and putting feeling into it.

    • @cptnoname
      @cptnoname 3 месяца назад

      The man was a menace whose short-sighted policies have lead to nothing but division and strife among our population.
      The current state of our media and political parties could have happened anyway, eventually, but in this timeline it has grown from the seeds of Reagan's choices. We needed to "protect conservative thought," he said, so news programs must be allowed to one-sidedly express political views (and not be held accountable for lying). Sociological messages of unity and acceptance, as seen every day on after school television? No need for taxpayers to fund that anymore. After all, Racism™ has been conquered, right? My generation was the last to see any of it. It wasn't just for the kids... Parents would see it, too, while we were watching TV. Look where we are now.
      Those aren't the only policies, of course. Trickle-down economics has eroded the middle class and brought us "billionaire activist" Donald Trump and his Afrikaner friends Elon Musk and Peter Theil, who are actively attempting to dismantle our way of life in favor of a whitewashed version of the Third Reich and align themselves with Putin, Xi and Kim.
      I hope the man is spinning in his grave. His "patriotism" is actively destroying the Nation he loved.

    • @josephkolodziejski6882
      @josephkolodziejski6882 3 месяца назад +3

      The current republican candidate hasn't quite got the same amount of decorum.

    • @cptnoname
      @cptnoname 3 месяца назад +3

      Love it when my comment gets removed because somebody (or the algorithm) doesn't like it, but I still get notifications for every new message.

  • @wavetrex
    @wavetrex 3 месяца назад +37

    Props to the camera operator spinning around in space untethered. What a brave soul !

  • @larrygilbert7273
    @larrygilbert7273 3 месяца назад +56

    Loved the inclusion of the Dynasoar spaceship.

    • @RedRyan
      @RedRyan 3 месяца назад +2

      We built that here at my company

    • @nipcoyote1140
      @nipcoyote1140 3 месяца назад

      That's an Assured Crew Return Vehicle actually. They were planned to be used as escape pods if an emergency occurred when a shuttle wasn't around. They were canceled after Russia got onboard the ISS program and their Soyuz could do that job.

    • @RCR72
      @RCR72 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@RedRyanno es dynasoar, es el HL 20 o 40 creo

    • @Yi65193
      @Yi65193 3 месяца назад +5

      ​@@RCR72 I think that's the X-38

    • @randycampbell6307
      @randycampbell6307 3 месяца назад +4

      HL-42 Crew Vehicle actually

  • @modelermark172
    @modelermark172 3 месяца назад +22

    This was a beautiful and inspiring look at what could have been. Thank you, Hazegrayart!
    As a model builder, I'm fortunate enough to have the (currently unassembled) kit of the Revell / Ceji 1/144th scale 1984 Boeing concept for the "Dual-Keel" Space Operations Center in my stash. This inspires me to give that kit a second look.
    I'm also hoping that the Good People at Atlantis have the tooling for the 1/96th scale 1959 "Coffee Can" Space Station designed by Ellwyn E. Angle, (as a companion piece to his XSL-01 Moon Rocket,) and will bring this classic back, soon.
    Thanks for making and sharing!
    130th like.

    • @Hazegrayart
      @Hazegrayart  3 месяца назад +12

      Thank you for the kind words. It is always rewarding to know that the videos inspire modelers!

    • @modelermark172
      @modelermark172 3 месяца назад +6

      @@Hazegrayart You are more than welcome!
      Please consider making future videos based on famous space model kits, such as the Ellwyn E. Angle "XSL-01" and "Space Station" he designed for Revell, as well as the MPC "Pilgrim Observer," designed by G. Harry Stein. In addition, Atlantis Models just reissued the Willy Ley "Orbital Rocket," and has plans to reissue the Revell "Helios Nuclear Powered Lunar Landing Craft," designed by Krafft A. Ehricke, in 1959 for Convair's Astronautics Division. These would all make fine subjects for videos!
      Again, thanks!

    • @jimrohrich2625
      @jimrohrich2625 3 месяца назад

      @@modelermark172 - amen.

    • @robertevans6481
      @robertevans6481 3 месяца назад

      Yes I remember those speeches,the good old days when a person could dream about being with the stars.

  • @MasterSanders
    @MasterSanders 3 месяца назад +7

    I read a lot of dated books on space growing up, and a lot of them had stuff talking about Space Station Freedom. This is awesome.

  • @jacobhayes3438
    @jacobhayes3438 3 месяца назад +25

    I recently learned that the ISS’ orbital inclination is much higher than what was planned for Freedom to accommodate the Russian’s limitations. This made using the ISS as a shipyard for assembling large interplanetary spacecraft impractical because of the high delta v cost of leaving earth starting from that wonky orbit.

    • @ixxxxxxx
      @ixxxxxxx 3 месяца назад +2

      interesting

    • @jimrohrich2625
      @jimrohrich2625 3 месяца назад +6

      Yup, the benefits of working with the limited.

    • @jesusramirezromo2037
      @jesusramirezromo2037 3 месяца назад +5

      No point in using a space station for that anyway

    • @elmobrandao9849
      @elmobrandao9849 3 месяца назад +1

      That's very interesting. I wonder if a 23.5-degree inclination might be the best suitable for that, which in case wouldn't fly over the U.S., either.

    • @MrCateagle
      @MrCateagle 3 месяца назад +2

      I love the speeches that backdrop the video.

  • @Eshanas
    @Eshanas 3 месяца назад +16

    Freedom flies forever

  • @peterbui3733
    @peterbui3733 3 месяца назад +6

    I liked the concept I recall where they had of a tethered space telescope that would have floated around nearby and allowed the crew to do astronomy work there on the station.

  • @rndofpipowe
    @rndofpipowe 3 месяца назад +3

    Between three concepts in my opinion the first one is most beautiful.

  • @jimrohrich2625
    @jimrohrich2625 3 месяца назад +2

    A magnificent video. Thank you doing this and allowing us to see it.
    Space Station Freedom would be proud.

  • @peterbui3733
    @peterbui3733 3 месяца назад +7

    I remember building my own Space Station Freedom model as a kid using cardboard tubes, sticks, foil, and masking tape.

  • @JaW-vm9do
    @JaW-vm9do 3 месяца назад +13

    All this became the International Space Station. From the seeds of pioneering to today. Feel bad that it’s about to end in 2030, but even so, we’re still in the pioneer age and still moving on. Who knows what space station will be next after the ISS leaves?

    • @michaeldunne338
      @michaeldunne338 3 месяца назад +2

      I think they were getting much out of the ISS from a research perspective since around the 2010 timeframe (have sufficient personnel on board, able to do the 400 or so experiments a year, etc.) - so almost 15 years now. If it does get deorbited in 2030, then that would be 20 years of solid service.

    • @skywatcher2025
      @skywatcher2025 3 месяца назад +1

      Gateway is what's next, with bases on the lunar surface a not long after, if not in parallel.

    • @FastSloth87
      @FastSloth87 3 месяца назад +4

      There are many being built or in concept phase right now:
      Lunar Gateway
      Axiom Station
      Orbital Reef
      Starlab
      StarMax
      Haven-1 & 2

    • @skywatcher2025
      @skywatcher2025 3 месяца назад +1

      @@FastSloth87 Oh yeah, if you include private companies there are dozens, but the ones you listed are the more promising ones

  • @brettteeter3461
    @brettteeter3461 3 месяца назад +6

    Amazing, as always. Beautiful.

  • @ptonpc
    @ptonpc 3 месяца назад +29

    What could have been. Listening to the speeches too.

    • @knytrydr73
      @knytrydr73 3 месяца назад +6

      What should have been.

    • @incompletemachine877
      @incompletemachine877 3 месяца назад +2

      @@knytrydr73 what will be, if we're brave enough to try

  • @Tye2000_YouTube_official
    @Tye2000_YouTube_official 3 месяца назад +11

    My favourite space station proposal

  • @likwidchris
    @likwidchris 3 месяца назад +7

    Reagan has to be the best orator we've ever had as president.

    • @cptnoname
      @cptnoname 3 месяца назад

      The man was a menace whose short-sighted policies have lead to nothing but division and strife among our population.
      The current state of our media and political parties could have happened anyway, eventually, but in this timeline it has grown from the seeds of Reagan's choices. We needed to "protect conservative thought," he said, so news programs must be allowed to one-sidedly express political views (and not be held accountable for lying). Sociological messages of unity and acceptance, as seen every day on after school television? No need for taxpayers to fund that anymore. After all, Racism™ has been conquered, right? My generation was the last to see any of it. It wasn't just for the kids... Parents would see it, too, while we were watching TV. Look where we are now.
      Those aren't the only policies, of course. Trickle-down economics has eroded the middle class and brought us "billionaire activist" Donald Trump and his Afrikaner friends Elon Musk and Peter Theil, who are actively attempting to dismantle our way of life in favor of a whitewashed version of the Third Reich and align themselves with Putin, Xi and Kim.
      I hope the man is spinning in his grave. His "patriotism" is actively destroying the Nation he loved.

  • @videolabguy
    @videolabguy 3 месяца назад

    Beautiful renders. Your work is the best in this area.

  • @boringusername792
    @boringusername792 3 месяца назад +7

    Amazing work, you've outdone yourself (which is saying something!)
    Any chance of seeing the Mir 2 proposals?
    Or the Clinton proposals (from memory: mini-freedom, extra mini freedom and a monolithic design.)

  • @atptourfan
    @atptourfan 3 месяца назад

    So excellent!!!

  • @Lamprolign
    @Lamprolign 3 месяца назад +3

    A very excellent video!

  • @SebastianWellsTL
    @SebastianWellsTL 3 месяца назад +15

    Such an inspiration to listen to Ronald Regan!!!

    • @brettteeter3461
      @brettteeter3461 3 месяца назад +6

      Could use him now…

    • @jackturner8472
      @jackturner8472 3 месяца назад

      @@brettteeter3461 He would have endorsed Trump. Trump is the only choice for those who care about the exploration of space.

  • @MrCateagle
    @MrCateagle 3 месяца назад +4

    External truss looks very similar to that on the ISS. Not surprising since they serve the same purpose.

    • @dramaticusflatudicus3839
      @dramaticusflatudicus3839 12 дней назад

      It looks the same because it is the same, the integrated truss was the result of many design studies for the SSF truss. Fabrication was underway by the time of the name change.

    • @MrCateagle
      @MrCateagle 12 дней назад

      @dramaticusflatudicus3839 I am well aware of the history of the truss. I have worked on the P4, P6, S4, and S6 modules with the photovoltaic arrays and the associated radiators. How the turss mounts to the station is one major change, the ISS has a Z0 module to attach the station to the truss.

    • @dramaticusflatudicus3839
      @dramaticusflatudicus3839 12 дней назад

      @ Perhaps it was just how your comment was worded. When it was still SSF, the section replaced by S0, would have been M-1 (mid-deck TS) but attaching to the racetrack. Many people are not aware and then are surprised at the similarities, without knowing why.

  • @RolandCartarius
    @RolandCartarius 2 месяца назад

    Ronald Reagan's voice was full of charisma, confidence, comfort, warmth and eloquence. An incredible speaker. And I say that as a native German speaker.

  • @성진-p7b
    @성진-p7b 3 месяца назад

    저는 새행성이라고생각됩니다
    넘~멀어서 그렇죠
    어쩜 지구와비슷한온도
    구름도저광활한 바다도있구요❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
    🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

  • @AluminumOxide
    @AluminumOxide 3 месяца назад +8

    Ahh Ronald Reagan - the founding father of the International Space Station. Listening to his sweet voice makes me feel so optimistic.

  • @halo3soap114
    @halo3soap114 3 месяца назад

    Love these Vids.

  • @PiDsPagePrototypes
    @PiDsPagePrototypes 3 месяца назад

    So many words, that took much much longer to act on then any President was able to keep commitment focused on.

  • @ajds
    @ajds 3 месяца назад

    Beautiful

  • @S1nwar
    @S1nwar 3 месяца назад

    they really eliminated that entire vertical strut in the ISS design, thats quiet the mass saving

  • @TheDesktopOrbinaut
    @TheDesktopOrbinaut 3 месяца назад

    Space Station Freedom redesigns over the years (before it merged with Mir-2 to form the ISS in 1993):
    - 00:00 = Power Tower (1984)
    - 03:12 = Dual-Keel (1985)
    - 06:12 = Revised Baseline Configuration (1987)

  • @yoshih97
    @yoshih97 3 месяца назад +9

    People were better speakers back in the day..

    • @sdg131
      @sdg131 4 дня назад

      That's what happens when you elect an actual actor instead of a "TV personality"

  • @YellowLegoSpaceman
    @YellowLegoSpaceman 3 месяца назад +5

    Wish we got the space station that was supposed to use an orbiter as the base of it

    • @epj0211
      @epj0211 3 месяца назад +3

      Space Station Enterprise? Yeah, that would’ve been cool.

    • @ArjunaKunti
      @ArjunaKunti 3 месяца назад

      Using the Space Shuttle external tank insode would be also good. It reached the same speed as the Space Shuttle anyway.

    • @epj0211
      @epj0211 3 месяца назад +4

      @@ArjunaKunti There were plans to put 2 or more shuttle ETs together and retrofit them with living spaces.

    • @ArjunaKunti
      @ArjunaKunti 3 месяца назад

      @@epj0211 that's what I wrote about. Very stunning plans.

  • @michaeldunne338
    @michaeldunne338 3 месяца назад +2

    Great imagery. There was some soaring rhetoric by Ronald Reagan - Unfortunately actual developments didn't pan out for over a generation (I think Elon was about twelve years old at the time of Reagan's State of the Union address?). A big part of the problem was that the economics of the Space Shuttle didn't pan out, so costs, reliability, cadence, etc. wasn't there to support the needs of much of the private sector. Good to hear about his vision for commercial participation back then though, but we didn't really see that come to fruition until recently.

  • @johnchristopher20
    @johnchristopher20 3 месяца назад

    Regan set into motion the precursor to Space Force; that was the start of our spacefaring civilization through the private enterprise development of space flight. From the space station to the Mars objective, this has been an amazing lifetime.

  • @thomasafb
    @thomasafb 3 месяца назад +1

    Superb work, as always. Reagan made that speech 40 years ago, two years before Challenger showed that being first and best is hubris

    • @Eshanas
      @Eshanas 3 месяца назад +4

      But challenger then wasn’t first or best for anything. It was a routine mission, its tenth, unrelated to ss freedom, that failed due to mechanical, than hubrical, issues.

    • @jimrohrich2625
      @jimrohrich2625 3 месяца назад +1

      And we continued to launch Space Shuttles, in 1988. For another 15 years.

    • @enisra_bowman
      @enisra_bowman 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Eshanas well, it was launched because an Idiot installed by Regan wanted to impress him and met a date so they can speak to the crew in Orbit, but for that it had to launch on that date, despite experts saying: that's a stupid idea, it's to cold, the O-Rings might be a problem.
      And then the Hubris in other ways

  • @KellyStarks
    @KellyStarks 3 месяца назад +3

    I was on that engineering team. Very sad when these big, highly usable designs, got striped down into the ISS.

    • @boringusername792
      @boringusername792 3 месяца назад +5

      The last design was smaller than the US segment of the ISS is today.

  • @SP4XQS
    @SP4XQS 3 месяца назад +1

    You will never have a president like Ronald Reagan again. Such a man is born once every 100 years. Thanks to him and Margaret Thatcher, we people of Eastern and Central Europe regained our freedom.

    • @longlakeshore
      @longlakeshore 3 месяца назад

      The USSR fell due to low oil prices, Chernobyl and old guard dying off allowing Gorbachev to come to power. It had nothing to do with Ronald Reagan.

  • @willharmatuk4723
    @willharmatuk4723 3 месяца назад

    My dream is that in the future, there will be flight sim sandbox games that look like Hazegrayart video. Where you can build and design anything you want, and fly in the atmosphere, space, between planets, between stars, between galaxies… all from the comfort of your own home. Hell, possibly even on a mobile device.

  • @hubbsllc
    @hubbsllc 3 месяца назад

    “Lifesaving medicines that can only be developed in space”…some 40 years on, just where are we on that?

  • @lonl123
    @lonl123 3 месяца назад

    Sigh...If only Ronnie was President now...we need him now more than ever. 1st President I voted for all those years ago and I still consider him to have been our finest since I became an adult. Rest Easy Mr. President.

  • @FirstPassOfficial
    @FirstPassOfficial 3 месяца назад

    I wonder if Hazegrayart would ever consider doing spacecraft from For All Mankind, even if from an alternate history show, they did use a lot of concepts from irl research projects.

  • @FLORIDIANMILLIONAIRE
    @FLORIDIANMILLIONAIRE 3 месяца назад

    Please no more space debris ! 🙏

  • @MichaelWinter-ss6lx
    @MichaelWinter-ss6lx 3 месяца назад

    We need a real space station in Low Earth Orbit, where cargo and crew can gather to await their destination vessel. And we need dedicated spaceships, which stay in space. No tincans.
    🚀🏴‍☠️🎸

  • @Andypos
    @Andypos 2 месяца назад

    The ISS represening the cooperation of all humanity is a better idea.

  • @legitusername-zl7to
    @legitusername-zl7to 2 месяца назад

    ISS 99.47% accurate 😯✍🔥

  • @paulbergman2731
    @paulbergman2731 3 месяца назад

    Not one star? Aren't there millions out there, and much brighter out of earth's atmosphere?

  • @RordonGramsay
    @RordonGramsay 3 месяца назад

    bro the lifting body escape pod was supposed to dock service module first not on its back

  • @jmans4928
    @jmans4928 3 месяца назад

    That was then.

  • @therathalosabusnardo923
    @therathalosabusnardo923 3 месяца назад

    Incredible!

  • @masteryoda129
    @masteryoda129 3 месяца назад

    i will own space station before they destroy it, it will be my another home in space. 😂

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 3 месяца назад +2

    @Hazegrayart >>> Great video...👍

  • @王闻
    @王闻 3 месяца назад

    GORGEOUS!!!

  • @bergonius
    @bergonius 3 месяца назад +1

    We need new Reagan

  • @DanyalAdam-n3n
    @DanyalAdam-n3n 3 месяца назад +2

    Sigh... humanity is disappointing we were promised star trek, instead we got this reality...

  • @DragonSFS
    @DragonSFS 3 месяца назад +1

    Most American station name probably

  • @bergonius
    @bergonius 3 месяца назад

    And then the Shuttle happened...

  • @DanielGomez-gw4kt
    @DanielGomez-gw4kt 3 месяца назад

    This could have been Space Station Freedom

  • @pontuswendt2486
    @pontuswendt2486 3 месяца назад

    AMAZINGNES!!!

  • @JohnReiher
    @JohnReiher 3 месяца назад

    Space Station Fred was a great idea... until it ran into Congress and budgets...

  • @randycampbell6307
    @randycampbell6307 3 месяца назад

    And Congress said "no" which they are still essentially doing.

  • @SnaxDesAvions
    @SnaxDesAvions 3 месяца назад

    Long Live the Space Shutte !

  • @mikeraslan9416
    @mikeraslan9416 3 месяца назад +1

    CONGRATULATIONS 🎉 SUCCESS ❤️💎🥹🌍

  • @AnotherGlenn
    @AnotherGlenn 3 месяца назад +1

    That's some pretty awesome brainwashing you got there, Hazegrayart! Imagine how stupid you gotta be to swallow that.

  • @4DCResinSmoker
    @4DCResinSmoker 3 месяца назад +3

    As impressive as Regan's speak was, he was completely full of it.

  • @DystopiaWithoutNeons
    @DystopiaWithoutNeons 2 месяца назад

    Very nice, had to stop when the devil started narrating with his speech.

  • @rahulpanggam1161
    @rahulpanggam1161 2 месяца назад

    Not only America it was buils with the help of russia.

  • @nighttow8780
    @nighttow8780 3 месяца назад +2

    The video was great until the warmonger George Bush Sr. started speaking.

    • @Hazegrayart
      @Hazegrayart  3 месяца назад +2

      Gulf War, ending the Iraqi occupation of Kuwait is a warmonger? as a gulf war vet I find this insulting

    • @nighttow8780
      @nighttow8780 3 месяца назад

      @@Hazegrayart so let me get this straight. A Gulf War vet does not think George Bush Senior is a warmonger? You are the single solitary example of that my friend. My brother died in his son's War, who was also a warmonger following in his Father's Footsteps.
      I thank you for your service, but I give no thanks to the Commander in Chief in charge at the time of your service

  • @General_1812
    @General_1812 3 месяца назад

    Ну не шмогла я, не шмогла....