Biopics like this are made for the US. I'm sure if there are any Americans on this tread they'll tell you that over there they just love films about major British figures. The political side of Thatcher's reign doesn't count for squat. Does Streep look and sound like Lady Thatcher? That's all that matters. Her startling lack of empathy when it came to issues concerning the IRA, the Falklands War or the Miner's strike won't pack em in in the multiplexes of Minnesota.
I love how that film did not actually analyze or explain how the tories came to choose a woman to be prime minister only beyond her overcoming the glass ceiling, no politics or ideology is explained.
it was very ordinarily made. like it was made just for the sake of making a movie on Margaret Thatcher without any nuance or depth. Margaret Thatcher is one of the most popular leaders the world has seen and by far the second most popular PM after Winston Churchill. She deserved a better movie.
Thatcher as a subject for a film really needed to be in an episodic/Netflix-style series a la The Crown. A series on British parliament would be really interesting.
I don't think it would give analysis of Thatcher at all and would just be for American audiences. I watched that film, it was so horrific and had no analysis of her motivations beyond her trying to overcome the glass ceiling lol
I agree. There is a far more interesting and important story to be told about Thatchers politics than there is another well trodden narrative on ageing. A complete waste of a character. Frankly I don't want to be manipulated into feeling sympathy for her. The world she played a key part manufacturing is foul - she doesn't deserve it!
artistic licence is one thing but changing something as historic as her speech when she becomes prime minister by pretending that all was well and there was no one shouting abuse at her so hard she had to raise her voice to be heard is entirley another.Then proceeding to ignore thatchers life which was politics is ridiculous
Whatever about the merits of the film as a film, I did produce an interesting (and rare) debate between the 2. If I understood Kermode rightly, you can look at Thatcher from 2 distinct angles, namely, the feminist and the political. Any other is in danger of becoming fluff, and I agree with him. This looks like a fine impression by Ms Streep but with little substance.
@sadako24 If you had to live through the thatcher era you would understand why she is so reviled , what would you say if they made a film about Blair and pianted him as curageous and just dropped in the Iraq war as a plot point .
Anthony Head as Geoffrey Howe? I'd be hoping for David Walliams to reprise the 'You Are Beautiful' sequence from Little Britain (when Sebastian was defending Head's PM in Parliament)
when you do a film about a major political figure and avoid the difficult bits because you want to sell tickets you will get a compromised and bland tv movie
I have to ask why is there a lack of Kermode's reviews on youtube? Sometimes I liked to check out Kermode's reviews, but as I did not have the time to listen to the whole programe, I just wanted to listen to his reviews.
The issues with this video are a subtle warning from Kermode about what will happen once the final projectionist has been fired from your local multiplex.
a film involving thatcher showing how we all get old and die .Well why bother using her to tell the audience the obvious ?Why because old age comes to us all so that makes us all the same ?Well no old age comes to us all but its a little better when your not poor and isolated.Yes thatcher lost her husband and her marbles but her children were around and she was certainly comfortable so not really the same.Not like pensioners choosing between heating and eating or selling the house to pay for long term care.
Old age doesn't come to us all. Plenty of people all around the world never get old enough to worry about heating or losing their marbles. Some people don't even get marbles. There are people for whom the wealth gap from them to you is tremendously larger than the gap from you to Margie.
@@michaelhall5429 i am not wealthy and it wont be long before i will be in the same boat as the people mentioned so heating or eating may well be my choice in the not too distant future .
when i saw the start of the film showing an old thatcher doddering about and i was supposed to go oh shes just a poor old dear .Sadly i remembered all the shit she pulled and the legacy of thatcherism and my sympathy evaporated
sometimes its not really possible to seperate politics from the story of a politician .An extreme example would be hitler.Would anyone even try to gloss over the politics in a biopic of hitler?.Though thatcher was obviously not hitler she doesnt really have much of a recognisable story outside of politics .Her persona was an invention or rather a reinvention by some pr firm .She got a new voice hair and clothes and ditched the original or real thatcher and that invention was a product to sell to the public.The re invention is a small part of her story and without the miners strike, the three million unemployed ,the Falklands war etc you dont have much of a film.
Mark argues that the film isn't 'political enough', and in fact, those who saw the film with me, said exactly the same thing. However, I would ask Mark, how would HE, a man with his political convictions (as with everyone else) find a means of presenting the politics of Margaret Thatcher without alienating the audience?
@MaManfie It would be possible to make a film based on political history and facts without the film itself taking a political stance. Difficult, but possible.
Perhaps it should be more about the polotics but only for the poeple who lived under her rule. Does the rest of the world care. To me this seems like a missed opportunity and should have reflected actual events alot more.
@microwaves25 I suspect it's an expression of an underlying hope for a superior leader/father-figure to come forth and make everything better. Satasifaction with government throughout the western democracies is at a real low. On a more practical level these type of films are Oscar-bait.
@RAIDERS58th You're perfectly correct, and your comments could apply to nearly any other politician too.......Except this is just a film and shouldn't be taken seriously. If they made a realisitic film about politics no one would watch it!
I normally find Mark Kermode's reviews informative but it seems his politics have clouded his judgement. This year he praised the documentary "Senna" because it was more about Senna the man than Senna the F1 driver. Yet he slams "The Iron Lady" because they concentrated more on Thatcher the woman as opposed to Thatcher the politician. I think Mayo talked alot of sense in this clip.
@RAIDERS58th ......Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, John Major, Paddy Ashdown and the incomparable Jeffery Archer to name but a few. I remember the Thatcher years well too but i've learnt over years it wasn't just her who was crazy, it's all of them no matter what party they're from. I work on the basis of being an equal oppurtunities hater :) Left, Right, Man, Woman....or Archer, I hate them all equally lol
Why has the political/major world leader, become such a trend in cinema. You have Iron Lady and Lincoln coming up with a host of previous films (Kings Speech, The Queen, Frost/Nixon etc). It's usually big time actors, with big time directors and I don't know but this is just my opinion, they are not terribly interesting. They don't give me a great cinematic experience (Kings Speech is an exception though). Politics is not very interesting in real life let alone on the big screen.
@RAIDERS58th Lol! Yep, Blair would top Thatcher on my list too......but can we not use the term "people"......How about "Turds"?.......or is that just being insulting to turds?
I say sod it, make a film about the politics. I don't care about Margaret Thatcher, I care about the first woman Prime Minister (who cocked up the country)
politics aside, this film is absolute tripe. adding in more politics would have made this film so much more engaging. By ignoring the only interesting part of Margret Thatcher - her political career - this film becomes a really boring, and unnecessary, account of dementia and old age
The film’s well acted, well casted, well characterised & stylish, however the film’s writing, direction, length & focus is dull, lifeless & poor. (54%) (2.5/5 stars) (mixed)
seems their seems to be (along side this film) an attempt to re,wright thatcher as an angel that she was not , she started all the shit we are in now for instance , if they leave the politics out you leave the story out , i mean whats it going to be about her wonderful personality . sounds like a pile of shit just like the one thatcher left us all .
@qwertyuiopdan1 She wasn't far of it , worst leader we have ever had for shore , and that is saying something . don't believe the revisionists i was there too she screwed us all .
@excrutiated They couldnt afford the CGI needed when Hell rises & Satan opens the gates of hell and welcome his master back to her rightful place. Prob why they made it while "it" is still alive.......maybe.
@qwertyuiopdan1 not quite, noone is pure evil, she did good and bad things like any leader from any party..putting ideology aside..something older generations find hard to do. i could go on but i wont :)
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This Thatcher film was rated 12A. Because some scenes were not suitable for miners.
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That made me laugh out loud. Good job.
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Biopics like this are made for the US. I'm sure if there are any Americans on this tread they'll tell you that over there they just love films about major British figures. The political side of Thatcher's reign doesn't count for squat. Does Streep look and sound like Lady Thatcher? That's all that matters. Her startling lack of empathy when it came to issues concerning the IRA, the Falklands War or the Miner's strike won't pack em in in the multiplexes of Minnesota.
I love how that film did not actually analyze or explain how the tories came to choose a woman to be prime minister only beyond her overcoming the glass ceiling, no politics or ideology is explained.
it was very ordinarily made. like it was made just for the sake of making a movie on Margaret Thatcher without any nuance or depth. Margaret Thatcher is one of the most popular leaders the world has seen and by far the second most popular PM after Winston Churchill. She deserved a better movie.
Thatcher as a subject for a film really needed to be in an episodic/Netflix-style series a la The Crown. A series on British parliament would be really interesting.
I don't think it would give analysis of Thatcher at all and would just be for American audiences. I watched that film, it was so horrific and had no analysis of her motivations beyond her trying to overcome the glass ceiling lol
ive a feeling mark kept talking for a good few hours after the video fades out
I agree. There is a far more interesting and important story to be told about Thatchers politics than there is another well trodden narrative on ageing. A complete waste of a character. Frankly I don't want to be manipulated into feeling sympathy for her. The world she played a key part manufacturing is foul - she doesn't deserve it!
artistic licence is one thing but changing something as historic as her speech when she becomes prime minister by pretending that all was well and there was no one shouting abuse at her so hard she had to raise her voice to be heard is entirley another.Then proceeding to ignore thatchers life which was politics is ridiculous
Whatever about the merits of the film as a film, I did produce an interesting (and rare) debate between the 2. If I understood Kermode rightly, you can look at Thatcher from 2 distinct angles, namely, the feminist and the political. Any other is in danger of becoming fluff, and I agree with him. This looks like a fine impression by Ms Streep but with little substance.
@sadako24 If you had to live through the thatcher era you would understand why she is so reviled , what would you say if they made a film about Blair and pianted him as curageous and just dropped in the Iraq war as a plot point .
Anthony Head as Geoffrey Howe? I'd be hoping for David Walliams to reprise the 'You Are Beautiful' sequence from Little Britain (when Sebastian was defending Head's PM in Parliament)
when you do a film about a major political figure and avoid the difficult bits because you want to sell tickets you will get a compromised and bland tv movie
Aaaannndd.. make money.
I have to ask why is there a lack of Kermode's reviews on youtube? Sometimes I liked to check out Kermode's reviews, but as I did not have the time to listen to the whole programe, I just wanted to listen to his reviews.
The issues with this video are a subtle warning from Kermode about what will happen once the final projectionist has been fired from your local multiplex.
a film involving thatcher showing how we all get old and die .Well why bother using her to tell the audience the obvious ?Why because old age comes to us all so that makes us all the same ?Well no old age comes to us all but its a little better when your not poor and isolated.Yes thatcher lost her husband and her marbles but her children were around and she was certainly comfortable so not really the same.Not like pensioners choosing between heating and eating or selling the house to pay for long term care.
Old age doesn't come to us all. Plenty of people all around the world never get old enough to worry about heating or losing their marbles. Some people don't even get marbles. There are people for whom the wealth gap from them to you is tremendously larger than the gap from you to Margie.
@@michaelhall5429 i am not wealthy and it wont be long before i will be in the same boat as the people mentioned so heating or eating may well be my choice in the not too distant future .
The funniest reviews they do are the ones where I can't tell if they liked the film or not.
when i saw the start of the film showing an old thatcher doddering about and i was supposed to go oh shes just a poor old dear .Sadly i remembered all the shit she pulled and the legacy of thatcherism and my sympathy evaporated
They were gonna give free milk to the audience in the cinema but it was withdrawn.
I think Mayo does pretty well here ...
sometimes its not really possible to seperate politics from the story of a politician .An extreme example would be hitler.Would anyone even try to gloss over the politics in a biopic of hitler?.Though thatcher was obviously not hitler she doesnt really have much of a recognisable story outside of politics .Her persona was an invention or rather a reinvention by some pr firm .She got a new voice hair and clothes and ditched the original or real thatcher and that invention was a product to sell to the public.The re invention is a small part of her story and without the miners strike, the three million unemployed ,the Falklands war etc you dont have much of a film.
Could whoever uploads these videos please make them a little louder? Really quiet and hard to hear on my laptop.
Id rather listen to nails on a blackboard than somebody recreating Thatchers voice
Mark argues that the film isn't 'political enough', and in fact, those who saw the film with me, said exactly the same thing. However, I would ask Mark, how would HE, a man with his political convictions (as with everyone else) find a means of presenting the politics of Margaret Thatcher without alienating the audience?
It's a very good film about a PERSON, but not a good biopic of MARGARET THATCHER
@mcbpete I blame the lack of projectionist who's been fired in favour of a digital alternative.
did the film even mention bobby sands and the hunger strikes in N.Ireland or was it all about taking sympathy on Thatcher??... haven't seen it btw
@RAIDERS58th I thought so,ok I shall refer to them all as "Archers",as in "oh no I trod in an Archer", no danger of any offence there!
@MaManfie It would be possible to make a film based on political history and facts without the film itself taking a political stance. Difficult, but possible.
AL:VH.
Perhaps it should be more about the polotics but only for the poeple who lived under her rule.
Does the rest of the world care.
To me this seems like a missed opportunity and should have reflected actual events alot more.
@St00sh13 Yeah bring spiting image back i would love to see Camaron Millaband and clegg .
You can do a story about ageing based on anybody...
Except Cher 😅
Agree with Kermode!
Great quote
Who's getting their aspect ratio's mixed up. The Dr. wouldn't be best pleased.
The sound is quiet and the video is slightly out of sync
@microwaves25 I suspect it's an expression of an underlying hope for a superior leader/father-figure to come forth and make everything better. Satasifaction with government throughout the western democracies is at a real low. On a more practical level these type of films are Oscar-bait.
@microwaves25 We've really regressed to Aristotelian notions of Tragedy, haven't we?
Aspect ratio fail?
@RAIDERS58th You're perfectly correct, and your comments could apply to nearly any other politician too.......Except this is just a film and shouldn't be taken seriously. If they made a realisitic film about politics no one would watch it!
Shit film that seeks to revise peoples and history's view of that evil woman .
Why is the sound so low?
Also Kermode has been slacking off in his doing reviews.
skinwalkerxxx yes it’s atrocious
I normally find Mark Kermode's reviews informative but it seems his politics have clouded his judgement. This year he praised the documentary "Senna" because it was more about Senna the man than Senna the F1 driver. Yet he slams "The Iron Lady" because they concentrated more on Thatcher the woman as opposed to Thatcher the politician. I think Mayo talked alot of sense in this clip.
that is brilliant.
Not yet.
@chanceie12 thats optimistic.
@RAIDERS58th ......Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, John Major, Paddy Ashdown and the incomparable Jeffery Archer to name but a few. I remember the Thatcher years well too but i've learnt over years it wasn't just her who was crazy, it's all of them no matter what party they're from. I work on the basis of being an equal oppurtunities hater :) Left, Right, Man, Woman....or Archer, I hate them all equally lol
Why has the political/major world leader, become such a trend in cinema. You have Iron Lady and Lincoln coming up with a host of previous films (Kings Speech, The Queen, Frost/Nixon etc). It's usually big time actors, with big time directors and I don't know but this is just my opinion, they are not terribly interesting. They don't give me a great cinematic experience (Kings Speech is an exception though). Politics is not very interesting in real life let alone on the big screen.
@RAIDERS58th Lol! Yep, Blair would top Thatcher on my list too......but can we not use the term "people"......How about "Turds"?.......or is that just being insulting to turds?
I say sod it, make a film about the politics. I don't care about Margaret Thatcher, I care about the first woman Prime Minister (who cocked up the country)
Sound!
Streep sounds like the Jan Ravens version of Theresa May here!
@MadameMao1 Exactly.
@hiddeninromance Very clever.
Eeep - wrong aspect ratio, audio and video out of sync, and the volume is down waaaay too low. (good review as usual though !)
politics aside, this film is absolute tripe. adding in more politics would have made this film so much more engaging. By ignoring the only interesting part of Margret Thatcher - her political career - this film becomes a really boring, and unnecessary, account of dementia and old age
Jack Kelly because there are too many films about dementia
Testing.
@frogtastic1000 Agreed.
speak up Mark, I can hardly hear you.
Nice :)
@frogtastic1000 Ditto.
There are certainly worse places to hear about things. :-)
The film’s well acted, well casted, well characterised & stylish, however the film’s writing, direction, length & focus is dull, lifeless & poor. (54%) (2.5/5 stars) (mixed)
@frogtastic1000 five quid?
seems their seems to be (along side this film) an attempt to re,wright thatcher as an angel that she was not , she started all the shit we are in now for instance , if they leave the politics out you leave the story out , i mean whats it going to be about her wonderful personality . sounds like a pile of shit just like the one thatcher left us all .
Streep was OK, the film generally sucked.
They could not even get the big events of the 1980's in the right order.
Is that why she's consistently ranked as one the greatest PM's?
@excrutiated Ba bom che
Maggie is in the mud.
@qwertyuiopdan1 She wasn't far of it , worst leader we have ever had for shore , and that is saying something . don't believe the revisionists i was there too she screwed us all .
@excrutiated They couldnt afford the CGI needed when Hell rises & Satan opens the gates of hell and welcome his master back to her rightful place. Prob why they made it while "it" is still alive.......maybe.
HONK!
@qwertyuiopdan1 not quite, noone is pure evil, she did good and bad things like any leader from any party..putting ideology aside..something older generations find hard to do. i could go on but i wont :)