My KTM is Too HEAVY! Here‘s How I Fixed It…
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- With a wet weight of 230 Kg, the KTM 1090 Adventure was one of the lightest large capacity adventure bikes of it's time. But that doesn't mean that it's light enough to take on the trails. Adding hard luggage, crash protection, tankbag, sat-nav, jacuzzi etc... quickly sends the scales skywards and makes the possibility of having to heave all of that heft out of the hedge a simply terrifying proposition!
So I've decided to see what I can do to the 1090 in order to shift the scales in my favour. Nothing is out of bounds and I'll be delving right into the belly of this fine beast to see where every single gram can be saved!
Can you guess the final wet weight before the end of the video??
** In my various witterings and ponderings, it seems I've become confused about the weight of the Yamaha T7. Apparently they actually weigh 205 Kg wet, so take my comparisons with a pinch of salt! It's possible I took the World Raid version by accident, which is 220Kg wet and possibly a better comparison as it has the same sized 23 litre fuel tank as the 1090!
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I have a 2017 KTM 1090R for fast pavement rides and easy off-road trails, and a 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F for difficult and technical off-road trails. After 50+ years of riding, I prefer having two dedicated bikes, because there is no way one bike can do everything well. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Change the exhaust, an easy 25lbs can be saved there. + Center stand = another several lbs.
I have no center stand and i DID change the end can.
What an interesting vid, Andy.
Cheers Jim!
Hi Andy, I would love to see a review of the screen you have fitted. I am a similar hight to you, and have bad noise and buffeting on my 1190 Adventure R on the road. Not found an acceptable solution yet. Would love your thoughts on this subject. Keep the vids comming mate.❤
TBH David, it’s better than stock, but still not great. I fitted the MRA spoiler, which made it a tiny bit better still, but it’s still not as good as I’d like. The air is a little bit cleaner, so less buffeting, but it still fires a wave of noisy wind directly into the middle of my helmet. If i were 6“ shorter, it would be wind free, if i were 6“ taller, my head would be full in the wind but also much quieter.
Great weight trading:)
Cheers Simon. Was somehow therapeutic to make the bike more ‚efficient‘! Also means i can have an extra pie!!
@@AndyManCam it was amazing how many little bits and pieces came off it. Good job ikea make bags big enough for a whole sofa!
It really makes me wonder a bit what exactly was going on at KTM. Obviously they took the 1190 and updated it to make the 1090, but seem to have done it in an incredibly lazy way. Weird when they do proudly announced that they had saved 10kg over the 1190. It could have been 15!!
Yeap spoke wheels look great on the GS but there is always a downside 😂
As far as I can tell, that's just the cleaning, isn't it?
@@AndyManCam Spoked wheels are heavier and only required for "proper" offroading with serious bumps where you need the extra compliance of the spokes... Almost nobody on a ADV bike needs them! ;) (ADV Enduro, Trial or MX bike... ;) :D )
Beard has to go then barmitzvah
Haha! That level of weight saving can wait until I’m at competition rally level!! 😀
crashbars could have been aluminium would save alot weight
I think Aluminium is a bit expensive/soft/brittle for crash bars.
You could save even more weight with swapping to a rackless luggage system like the Enduristan blizzard or similar. They are also closer to the bike and dont flopp around like the ones on racks. And decating it would also save a bit more.
Yeah totally. If i did everything again i would possibly consider that route. Although i wanted the ability to switch back to the Aluminium boxes for the next road based tour.
Good luc,k with your biking journey Andy… ADV is not my bag
Thanks TYG. Jury is still out as to whether it’s my bag or not. This certainly isn’t the last road riding you’ll see though!
Really good video but wasn’t it a bit much to take the wiring off for the aux headlights?
I support, you supporting, what ever you want, to support! Weather I support, said thing, you are supporting, or not! I do by the way!
You’re political pushing, as far a I can see, is non existent. Keep doing what you do pal..
Very much enjoyed your weight loss vid. 😬
Thank you kindly Ben!
I know for purpose video, it is ok, but what you are doing there, is not doing much at all. Taking parts off and cuting 5kg from the bike, doesnt mean much. Imporve your offroad skills, then the weight wont be a problem. Or, get a lighter bike and your problem is solved. Good luck
5kg was just what was in the IKEA bag. In total it was over 12kg of weight saving. I can improve my off-road skills until the cows come home, but I’m still going to have to pick up the bike at some point. And 12kg less than stock is definitely enough to notice. Obviously a lighter bike will solve the weight issue, but sadly I’m 6‘4“ and 100kg and I live thousands of miles from the good roads, so I need the comfort and mile munching that only this size of machine can give me.
@@AndyManCam I was refering only to those. Those you took off but wont help you at anuthing. Cases, exhasut, battery, yes that's an improvement, but platsics and brackets.....wont help you much being taken off. Was a nice video to watch thou, never taught putting a super heavy bike in tough conditions just because of versatility
@Traulus83 I’m glad you found the video nice, but i don’t think you fully understand the concept of it. I think you’re being too black and white here. Any weight that is not adding to the function of the bike, that can be removed without performance cost, it’s helping in the right direction. The 5kg in the IKEA bag is ONLY small pieces of plastic and metal that are not needed, and they very quickly added up to a noticeable weight. With your attitude of ‚don’t worry about it, just improve your skills‘ you’ve very quickly got yourself a fully laden 275kg beast that you now need to haul up out of the dirt. Plus i think you’re missing the point somewhat. If my luggage weighs 5kg, but i can balance that weight out so that i can have the luggage and no extra weight on the bike, then that too is a glorious victory. Ultimately, every single little bit helps. And it doesn’t stop with the bolt ons. My panniers were half empty for my trip because anything that didn’t serve a purpose or wasn’t vital to the trip, i left behind. And i can tell you that after having picked up this bike before i did all of this work, and having picked it up (several times) after, Every single piece that i removed helped me a lot.
No f*cking about there Andy :D
Go big or go home mate!
The other option is to not take it off-road LOL I can tell you current 1290 plastics are the same pain in the behind to take off.
Pish-tosh!! If i wanted that, I’d have bought a GS! 🤣
I demand a recount!!!!
You didnt factor in the weight of all the cable ties that you added!! 😉
Haha! I understand your frustration! But I promise I took off more cable ties than I put back on! 😜
Hmm not convinced 🤣
It sheemsh there ish no pleashing you! What about if i said they were carbon fibre cable ties?!
Not a fan of carbon 🤣
I'm picky 😁
@scottyuk ok ok ok. I’ll take it all off and start again. Maybe I’ll find some more stuff to ditch! 😜
As a very long term user of LiFePO4 batteries on Motos (over 8 years on my SkyRich Lithium battery) I can thoroughly recommend them. Lots of power. The only problem I've encountered is the cold. Once the temperature is below 3°C starting becomes problematic. The colder it gets, the more problematic it becomes. Minus 5°C and below is a real b#tch. The fix is to turn on the high beam headlight and let the Moto stand for about 2 - 5 minutes (it won't hurt the battery, honest), the colder it is the longer you leave it as the battery has to warm up. Then, try to start the bike (don't over crank it). It may take two or three goes to start. Mine lives in an unheated garage, so most of the time not problem but, parked up outside for the day in winter can be a problem.
That’s good to hear! I was actually in Norway at -3°C and just started it like normal because i forgot about the cold issue. The thing jumped straight into life! 👍🏻
Hows that screen been? I'm using the stock one at the moment, tried touring PUIG, battered my head around like crazy, tried small sports screen, blasted my entire face with constant wind and noise, no winning :(
It’s better, but it’s not perfect. I added the MRA spoiler thingy, which made a bit better still. But still not really as good as I’d like.
@@AndyManCam the search continues
Apparently the Givi Airflow is the only thing that does the job. At 180€ its a lumpy pill to swallow!
😱 Opening the fuel tank to refill is the only mechanic I dare doing… Regretted even that the other day when I dropped the fat GSA in the front muddy alley with those +30kg just in 😂 Enjoy your lightweight (purist would argue 230kg is far from lightweight) off-road trip 👍
That’s the worst timing!! Sure the purists will say it’s still too heavy (which of course, it is) but I’ll be very grateful for those missing 30kgs and also the comfort on the 1000km ride to get there! Plus if ever I strip off the accessories, I’ll have a 217kg bike to off road on 😁
Just need to add a 'Super Leggera' sticker or 3, and it's suddenly worth £90k!
Enjoy taking it off road! Love taking the 1290 off road. Surprisingly capable for a road-focused model!
Also big thumbs up to the bar ends! Just fitted them to mine too! Wasn't overly sure on them to start with but have actually made a substantial improvement on visibility and wind turbulence
The Monkey bike is still the off-road king though, right, Sam? ;) :D
Haha! That’ll do it Sam. I’ve heard those stickers cost thousands though! 😜 Sadly i had to temporarily ditch the bar end mirrors as the SW handguard snapped off on Norway 🤦🏻♂️ Back to the drawing board!
@@AndyManCam Actual plastic "adventure mirrors" on ball mounts then? ;)
@mattmutane5502 Quite possibly an option.
@@AndyManCam Barkbusters mate Barkbusters....... they are actualy made to take a beating and not a facion accessory like the OEM guards on both the KTMs and the BMWs 🙂 Cycra ProBend are also realy good but a bit more expensive
leave the poor girl alone..... and get a 500EXC....... 106kg wet and a hoot to ride offroad..... even with full luggage and all the luxuries its not even getting close to the weigh of a stripped 1090😁
It’s just not the same long range comfort though is it! I need something that will comfortably deliver me and my stuff 1000km, to where the twisties are. Sure a 500 EXC would be great if the trails were in my back yard. It might even be able to take me the 1000km, but I’d be in no fit state to ride once i got there!
@@AndyManCam I think we'd all have at least one of each and every type of bike if we had the money for a multi-bike garage - as it is, you have to make compromises as per this vid, if you can only run a single bike (like most normal people ;) ). Good effort sir! :)
@mattmutane5502 So very true Matt! Sadly real life dictates that most of us need that Swiss Army motorbike that almost does it all!
@@AndyManCam there are people that has ridden a 500EXC around the world 😁 put a Seat Consepts seat on it and off you go 🤣
@tolandur And fair play to those people. Whatever works for you. But i want an armchair that can go off road if needed, not a motocrosser with a cushion strapped to it! 😂
Me encanta este modelo 1090 adv!! Yo disfruto de la mia, mañana salgo de viaje con ella. La tengo equipada 100% para carretera. Para campo, salgo con la 890 advR con tacos😊
It's a great bike! Keep enjoying it!
' a few months later' now where did i put the eekia bags ....bugger why didnt i label the parts ......i jest of coarse andy.😉😉....now wheres my vstrom😂 atb dave...
Haha! You’re probably right! Especially as we’ve moved since doing this overhaul! I just how i can either remember where everything is, or never have to sell the bike!! 😂
Ah c’mon, you could’ve dropped the front and rear brake reservoir levels by a cm at least for a few more mg 😮😅.
Ha! Now why didn’t i think of that!
Pity you couldn't stretch to the Rade Garage headlight stuff, probably a bit of weight saving but definitely makes you look proper businesslike 😅
Agreed. It does look like it means business. Maybe in the next budget meeting 😅
Monkey bike better ? Easy to pick up doesn't hurt when you fall over as it's very close to mother earth 🤣 oh and 185mpg and easy to get your knee down🤣
All good arguments!! Though i think the knee, back and arse pain on the 1000km to get there would have me begging for more weight!! 🤣
Hi Andy I’m sure I’ve watched all of your videos, but have I missed something? Did you trade your CB in for the KTM
Hey Mark! You have indeed missed a couple of videos! Here’s the big reveal one: The Honda Is Gone! What next?…
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Nice work! But just one small detail, standart T7 is 205 kg wet weight, while the T7 World Raid is 220 kg wet weight.
Well that’s embarrassing! Seems you’re right and although i checked several weights, it seems the T7 is still a fair bit lighter! Time to get the angle grinder out…
Some advise. If you've never picked up the bike. Lay it down in your yard and give it a couple go's. It helps you mentally for when you drop it on the trail.
Haha! Don’t worry, I’ve had the ‚pleasure‘ of picking it up already!
That's a lot of weight saved! But... Does it mean no cameras and just keeping a hand written diary? And riding in speedos? :D
That’s a great idea, probably would take less time than editing the videos! 😂 Speedos could be chilly though.
Great to see you posting !!! Awesome vid 😊 i waved at you twice last week when i travelled through Germany 👋
Great to be able to finally put something together again! Hope Germany treated you well!!
Enjoy the garage tinkering on your channel, looking forward to seeing this in action. 👍
Thanks mate, glad to hear it! Hopefully the first ADV adventure will be along soon!
Been a while! Is it weird to say I've missed you.... anyway, glad for another vid!
Hell no! It’s weird not to say it! 😘
You forgot the fog lights 😅
How do you mean i forgot them? I took them off on purpose!! 😂
@@AndyManCam I think I never saw them calculated, I'm interested in their actual weight
@bockie5 i didnt calculate them in because they were removed. But they weighed 880g 👍🏻
Does that mean you are to busy touring to finish the editing of the last tour? 😂
Haha! I can’t fully say no… But fear not, I’m still working on the rest of the last tour! 😁
Definitely looking forward to see some off road action with a big bike like that 👍🏻
Coming soon!!
Lean and mean off road machine,Can't wait to see it getting down and dirty.
Coming to a RUclips near you soon!
Great to see an upload ol'boy. Looking forward to another series!!
Cheers Smokey. Ironically there are TWO new serieses in the pipeline. Just finding the time is the challenge!! But soon!! Hope you’re well mate.
@@AndyManCam Yeah, know the feeling! All good here thanks. Same same, nothing much changes.
Small victories eh!!
TÜV sagt NEIN.
Which bit?!
Miss the days when you just got out and rode!
You’re preaching to the choir there Nick. I would happily ride all day, every day. Sadly nobody is funding that action!!
Was starting to wonder where you was bud. Nice to see your still a happy lad with the bike.
Cheers mate. Glad to finally get something out. It’s been frustratingly busy just lately!
@@AndyManCam That’s good to hear pal. Hopefully you can keep them coming now 😎
Fingers crossed. 🤞🏻
I can confirm that the KTM plastics do survive a minor spill very well.
That’s good to know. Although my KTM handguards didn’t fare well from a stationary rear ending. Smashed to pieces!! Then again, the SW-Motech ones simply snapped off after a topple on soft dirt. Also not good!!
@@AndyManCam even the KTM plastic hand guards survived
Not for me. I put the KTM ones back on after the Norway TET trip, and then they got smashed too in a low speed off.
Enjoy the TET and Norway on the beasty Andy, I've been loving exploring it in the UK 🙂
Thanks matey! Sadly it wasn’t quite the adventure i expected, but good nonetheless!!
@@AndyManCam good is good! 🙂
Couldn’t agree more!
@@AndyManCam TET Norway is rather tame...... it has to do with the laws regarding motorised travel offroad..... TET Sweden is better suited fro big bikes and a lot more "offroad"
I can confirm that statement, but I’ll be honest that’s why i picked it as a first time. Next time I’ll try something a little more technical.
Nice to cee u back on video 📹
Cheers Eddie! It’s been a crazy couple of months. Hopefully i can get a good few vids out before the next maelstrom of mayhem!
Good luck 😎 👍
Cheers Garth!
drop the cat and use a straight through pipe.... thats a solid 4kg weighsaving 😁 the local Stasi might not be to fond of it tho.....
I would love to, but the legal pain would negate all the weight saving! 😅
Great vid Andy, nice to see you back on 👍
Cheers mate! Sorry about the absence! I try to avoid it as much as possible, but sometimes it gets on top of you!
Not at all Andy, I believe the best content is when you are happy to do it. 👍
Trust me, I’m ALWAYS happy to do it! If i could get the funding to devote all my time to making these vids, I’d be the happiest little teddy! 😊
Hope you get a lotto win then 🤣👍
That would be a big plus! 😄
How to make GS owners look like tw*TS whilst maintaining decorum. Brilliant vid which points a subtle finger at society and it's ignorance generated by marketing.
What's more ridiculous than massive 'adventure' bikes that never go off road?
Electric SUVs.
Luv ya Babes!
Not necessarily trying to make anybody look like a +w@+ but IMHO the last thing the BMW GS needs is more cc‘s and more power. Nobody needs more than 100bhp if they’re planning to take the bike off tarmac. It’s all about making people think they’re getting more so that they dig into their pockets and replace the already oversized, overspecced and overengineered bike with one that has even more bells and whistles (and useless, cross-platform pieces of plastic that ultimately could have kept the weight AND the cost of the bike down by just being left on the drawing room floor!) so they feel like they’re winning. Yamaha‘s T7 and Ducati‘s Desert X are the only two bikes recently that make me feel like they ‚get it‘.
Now electric SUVs….
Ok, I'll put it another way, in a sea of RUclipsrs that want to be influencers in between using grammarly to order from hello fresh, you fuse mechanics with videography, art and humour....... Great channel.
Thank you kindly Edward 🙏🏻 I’m so very glad to hear that! And don’t worry, I’ve already turned the Hello Fresh ads down!! 😂🤮
Sehr interessantes Video.👍
The "floppy" thing at 09:10 is actually for the heat, not roasting your thighs.(not that it would actually help much...) The 1190 doesn't has that btw. 😁 The OEM handguards from KTM are quite sturdy btw...I've dropped my 990 ADV on the TET Poland and they just got a few scratches. Oh and don't forget to losen up the clamps of the brake and clutch lever, so they can rotate if you hit the ground and don't snap of the levers.
I thought as much, that’s why i wasn’t worried about removing it. Guess what, i haven’t really noticed any difference yet either!! 😂 I did however get rear ended at the traffic lights on Monday, and just from falling over, the stock handguard is smashed and needs replacing. 🤦🏻♂️
@@AndyManCam Oh damn! Seems that the quality isn't that good anymore...I crashed with 30-40kmh and nothing really happened to mine. Hope you didn't got hurt in the process.
I caught a footrest in the ankle, but nothing broken 👍🏻
@@AndyManCam Thats important...parts can be replaced.
Too true. And as it wasn’t my fault, somebody else can pay!
Well, as a offroader, the weight you removed, is non esential. But hey, something got to keep you busy :)))
That's what's happening if you are a beginer, doing uselles things just to make you happy, I have learned that on myself when I was a beginner :))))
I don’t really understand how it’s useless. Less weight on the bike is less weight to pick up. I can tell you for a fact that i noticed the missing 30kg when i had to pick the bike up. I also noticed the reduced top heaviness of the bike when things were slow and sketchy. As far as I’m concerned, any reduction in weight is good.
I've seen some incredible stuff on RUclips, but this takes the biscuit.
Cheers very much. I think!
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@@AndyManCam I do admire the dedication of removing 400 grams of lighting wiring harness. That's hardcore.
In for a penny, in for a pound! That’s 40% of the next kilogram!
I looked over a year now at your blue-yellow "I support Ukraine" Banner and asked myself repeatedly why do I have to endure that garbage when I just want to watch motorbike content. You dear Sir seem not to understand that shoving your politics in other people faces does not make you likable. Anyhow... your decision to push politics.... my decision to leave you after I was with your channel from nearly the beginning. You seem not to care, so I try that as well for a change... and feel better with it. Sad but reality
How many political opinions have i expressed within the content? How many times have i used motorcycle content to get my political views across? How many times have i promised motorcycle content and then surprised you with a political agenda? That would be zero on all counts. I’m not trying to be likable, I’m just being me. But if you feel the need to turn your back on me simply because I believe that invading your neighbors and killing their people is wrong, then I salute your departure. I do care, but apparently i just care in the opposite direction to that which you do. But you telling me that how i care is less valid than how you care is a level of intolerance that i want nothing to do with.
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