CHOOSE THE BEST PLANT SUPPORT - moss pole vs coco coir vs trellis vs wooden plank
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I love the aesthetics of my mosspoles with plastic backing 😅 they are all see through and the roots are looking gorgeous 💚
If i may ask - where do you get the plastic backing or how are you making it yourself?
@@sillyjellyfish2421 I buy PET foil. Super sturdy, seethrough and reusable. You can basically build your own grow vertical poles with that
As a dedicated spreadsheet ho, this spoke to me on a cellular level. Love the detail & logic. 💚
Hehe glad you liked it :)
Cell... I see what you did there!😂
I have immense respect for your dedication and investment into this hobby!! Furthermore, you are a phenomenal teacher!! Thank you for all that you do to support us through our plant 🪴 journey 😊
Thank you so much :)
I love this video. I was lazy about watering the moss pole but when I heard the part " moss pole needs to be water or it's not going to help grow bigger plant" , I hurried and water my moss poles, immediately . 😀🤣
That was my response too. 😂
Have you ever tried running wicking cord up through your moss poles? Does it work as a way to keep them continually moist?
Never tried, but I rather water from the top using the bottle upside down :)
I’m more of a plank advocate in my experience. And also I use fake bamboo poles that are giant, like 6 feet tall and as wide as my arm. Gives the vines a permanent home, or at least a long-term home. I understand there’s this concern about fertilizing, and where are the plants going to feed from if they’re on a plank or whatever. But what about the aroids that grow outside in the tropics, on buildings, on pavement? Stucco, cement, etc.? Or the vines inside peoples homes that stick to the painted walls? How are they feeding? I don’t believe aroids are the heaviest feeders in the plant world. Maybe the terrestrial types, like alocasia, Colocasia, peace lilies, etc. are… we know they appreciate being fed, for sure. But the vining aroids? They just want to attach and climb. When it rains in the jungle, the rainwater rushing down the tree brings with it debris, leaves, animal droppings, even dead animal tissue. This is how epiphytes eat. But then when the storm is over, the tree bark is dry once again. It doesn’t stay moist forever.
Ironically, with coco coir and moss poles, I have found it best to just remove the coir or moss coating, use it in another potted plant, and attach my vines directly to the PVC pipe. Which is not what I’m about to do. Instead, I use planks, thick wooden poles, or get my own large PVC poles, even the extra large (5 feet tall x 9” around) and the roots adhere so much more securely. To DRY surfaces. I know, it’s sacrilege to even consider a dry pole! With no moss! Blasphemy! Haha. But in all of my experiments over the years, the vines that either attached themselves to a dry support (or that i helped stick to a dry support) have adhered the best. The moss or coco, or other organic supports, are not sturdy enough to me. It’s like this lightweight plant matter suspended in mid air. Even now, I have a heart leaf philodendron that I have not repotted since 2019, it never attached to the moss pole I tried to get it on. It just was too light of a material. I tied it up and everything,the roots never attached. I can’t imagine being super wet would’ve helped, and believe me, I misted and watered it sufficiently. That was five years ago and it has gradually turned into a hanging plant, not a vertical one! 😆 It just never adhered to the moss. Considering most of these vines eventually touch the plastic sheet backing, if you use those types of supports, it just makes me wonder why people stress so much about moss, coco, keeping it moist, etc. The roots are happiest with something firm and sturdy, either wood, plastic, or a wall. Brick. Stone. Pavement. Anything with minute nooks and crannies, but even smooth PVC is great. They stick to it like glue! And I know, it’s controversial to suggest mounting a vine on a plain PVC pipe. What about a plank? What about a tree? Those don’t stay moist permanently. Even in a jungle. Also, I know people wonder, “where will the roots feed from?!” Without an organic material present…well, considering these aroids and other vines will simply root and stick to anything, if allowed, that tells me they care more about securing themselves than feeding. Especially if their roots are in a substrate, in a pot. Yes, the pole or support should be an extension of the pot, if you think about it. But I’ve had pothos and Epipremnum grow in a full circle around my ceiling, indoors, with no assistance from me. Never had an issue with feeding, and I never really fed that plant either!
Don’t think the feeding is the biggest issue as you said. To me it’s the lack of propagation benefits which just doesn’t suit my goals :)
Thank you very much for this very informative video! I never wanted a pole of any kind, but I am actually considering it for my Philodendron Jose Bueno. My question to you is it true the leaves will get bigger if it’s on a pole? I love these leaves on this plant and I’d hate for smaller leaves to come out because it’s not on a pull.
The leaves will increase with light exposure & with a climbing growth pattern. The pole itself won’t make the leaves bigger but kt will enable to plant to grow a large root system to support large leaves & has propagation benefits :)
I love your content I'm in Kansas USA and I love throwing your videos on and doing plant care with you! thank you
Another banger. Please, humans of the world. Can we all just listen to Jan? It’ll all be fine. Just listen. 😂 🤗
Hehe thanks :)
Brad is so well behaved around the plants! My ginger is OBSESSED with anything leafy green that enters the house 😬 I'm usually a vege grower but I'm just starting my aroid adventure. Luckily i have a sheltered deck area on the south side of my house.
Yay the video I needed at the right time in my life! The universe aligned this video for my plant care thank u!
Perfect timing :)
Informative and detailed as usual, thanks for this! 👌Was wondering if you have done a video on a chop & extend on the plastic backed poles? Seems like it might be a bit different/trickier than the round moss pole?
I have done it a few times :) similar process but there’s a video coming up next week (or the week after) where I do one again :)
Should you use plant support stakes for a mother plant that's growing sideways and hanging over the pot?
I mainly use 3d printed open poles but hadn’t thought about the fact they screw together being an issue first chop and propping!? I have a couple of closed back and they definitely hold the water better but prefer the look of the open ones have seen 3d printed closed back ones now on Etsy might try one of those?
You are very interesting because I collect Calathea 🤣, ok I have 2 Hoya too. I love learn about plants and your are interesting to listen!
All great ,there' are so many good ways to
support plants!
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I agree, plastic backed don't look as nice and are fiddlier to make with twice as many cable ties. I also tried all plastic ones that just clip together at back. Easy to make, no stability, and when I tried to pick pot up using pole, the whole thing just slipped out of pot, with plant and roots dangling. My new faves are homemade rounds with plastic inserted at back. Just like you said. 🙂 👍
Cheers :)
Love the plastic in between two sides of a moss pole. I’ve never heard you mention this technique. Veeerrry interesting 🤓
Awesome video! Really good insight into the different choices so definitely great to know!
Glad you enjoyed!:)
Spot on on all the information 💯 I planted Hoya Carnosa in a long pot and my husband cut out a piece of steel trellis with small squares,it looks so good against a wall,but I wouldn’t mind doing this with a marble Queen or some other climbing plants. Great video Jan. 💚💚🪴🌿 Natalie
Thank you:)
Excellent detailed presentation with visuals I can appreciate, Thank you!😻
Thank you:)
Im using some 3" rough sawn cedar and plastic coated 1/4" hardware cloth. Seems to work.
I'm using a chunky mix.
Merci pour cette nouvelle vidéo 😊 Je vis en France et ne sais où trouver le matériel nécessaire à la fabrication de ces tuteurs, surtout les dos en forme de gouttière, qui doivent sans-doute être préalablement percés de multiples trous pour pouvoir y fixer le "treillage" à l'avant. Je n'ai pas encore compris comment faire, faute de mieux j'utilise ceux du commerce... 😏, mes plantes sont moins imposantes que les vôtres ! 😋 💚🍀
J utilise du grillage en métal vert, des tuteurs verts 0,9 ou 1,8m et des serre cable en.plastique vert. Grillage et tuteur en jardinerie et serre câble sur internet
@@alinebarbiere-beyouniquewi7667 Merci ! Je fais déjà des tuteurs ronds tout en grillage, mais j'aurais aimé trouver des dos en plastique plein et rigide. Ça conserverait mieux l'humidité. Encore merci ! 🍀
I love a good visual 🤓
There’s a part of me that wants to create a flowchart about various plant topics. It could be so fun.
I love a clear stake that allows the plant to be the star of the show. They’re easy to store, reusable, simple to switch out, and are usually inexpensive and can be purchased in just about any size I need.
Most of my plants that size up, restart without much of a problem, but there are definitely benefits to extending the root system in a moss pole for those who want their beautiful very large leaves to keep going.
Your tried and true versions are my favorite. Love it when algae covers the moss.
Thanks for another great video.
Thank you:)
This came at the perfect time! I use a big coco pole for my monstera deliciosa and enjoy it! When you extend them they do get wobbly so you'd definitely need a thin stake to support the structure. I am keen on trying a plastic moss pole for my baby adonassoni though. This video helped me solidify my decision!!😀 Danke dir! 🥰
Happy growing :)
Thank you for all the info, that chart was super helpful 💪🏽🖤
Thank you:)
Hi do you think using coco fibre instead of Spagnum would be ok?
Coco fibre/coir has poor water retention so it won’t have the same impact on the root system
Just put my first plant into a moss pole with plastic back, thank you for all the guidence
Happy growing :)
my monstera deliciosa is the only one I use a wooden plank because I just use the plank to tie the stem & make sure it grows straight up. I'm not really looking to propagate, I even cut off some of the aerial roots, & it's such a common plant & easy growing even if it reaches the top I won't be crying to cut it short XD.
Most of my other aroids, I'm using pastic-backed moss poles because I don't have enough space to let them grow in all directions & I put them outdoors in some seasons where the pole would dry out very quickly if I use the open ones.
I use trellis for my hoya, pink jasmine & neon pothos which I love spreading their vines to grow over larger areas against the walls/fences - plus they are easy to propagate by cuttings so I don't wanna invest in moss poles to do so.
Same. I use the wooden plank for my one outside on my balcony. For my Thai con, I use a metal stake from Bunnings because they’re inside.
Agree :)
I got a monstera adansonii, actually 3-4 plants in one pot, and at first I thought it would be a trailing plant, but I've since learned that's not the case. I've seen yours climbing a moss pole, but mine are creeping across the soil. They've really rooted there. I got the supplies to make DIY moss poles, because I have a couple philodendrons that would really benefit from that. I'm thinking of putting all the little adansonii around one moss pole in the middle of a large pot to give them the look of one very full plant, but what do I do about these established roots? I can't very well stick them into the pole. Do I cut openings and try to insert the roots like that? I think more experienced people would cut them up for propagation and start over with the plants climbing properly, but I'm not up for that yet. Help?
Yeah u can’t get the roots into the pole in hindsight so I would just let it trail, eventually take a propagation & then start the propagation on a pole :)
@@sydneyplantguyOkay, thanks!
Where I live, West Africa, moss is very expensive. On the other hand, coco fiber/coir/peat are easy to find and very affordable. I diy my poles using the same coated wire mesh you use, zip ties and fill it with coco coir. I however add some compost, and slow release, in between the coir. and i actually have results. What do you think of my technique? I wish i could use moss but, i would rather invest in my collection and do with what i have available locally. Thank you for your knowledge.
Proof will be in the pudding :) see if ur plants like it or not :) sounds good in theory:)
@@sydneyplantguy (:
could you add vermiculite to the speghnum moss poll to keep it
moist longer?
Sure thing but could get messy as vermiculite is usually quite fine
Incredible video Jan, love the science of it!
Thanks :)
I chopped a coconut stake with my cebu blue, which has grown into the pole and has nice large leaves. Now I root the upper part in water. After two weeks, the first roots are already visible and the plant is doing quite well.
Question: Do you have to make them out of live or dry moss? Thank you 🙏🏽
I use dried moss as it’s more readily available :)
The heat map made everything more complicated and not useful in the video. However, perhaps the heat map is helpful for viewers to download, print, and refer back to to as they grow plants.
There’s a link to download it in the description :)
@@sydneyplantguy Yes I saw the link after I posted comment and thank you. A downloadable is always helpful.
Hi Jan, i just created 2 D-style poles with your airoid mix recipe. In order for it not to fall out, I made a very light bedding (layer) of New Zealand treefern, before I filled it in with the mix for my Manjula. The pole for the Monstera I first added orchid bark, then your recipe. Truly just enough to block most holes. It works! I've watered them twice now and no mess! An additional thing I still added to the mix was wormcasting. It is supposed to keep the insects at bay, beside the nourishing benefits. Also, the zeolite mineral chrystals. It mainly contains aluminum , which halts viruses/mold and adds more airation. I'm so excited! Now I have to learn to not be a helicopter plant mom! Lol🤣
Loved this video. It confirmed that I made the right choice for me. I truly don't like the green algae slime. 🫣
Hi, Jan! Great video!
I use mostly the plastic backed but they’re all DIY for me, I buy all the elements and make them myself (yes it’s a little more work).
Your open moss pole design did not work for me :( but I am a lazy plant parent and live in a mostly dry climate. I don't like to have to water more than once a week. I put my M. pinnapartita on a wood plank recently (supported by clear packing tape) and the setup looks questionable, but it is finalllly sizing up so well. In my experience Monstera and Pothos do especially well on wood with their scaley support roots. For my philodendrons I am going to try the plastic back design with a denser fill of moss.
Just in my opinion, start small like with a manjul pathos to get a feel for it
Always :)
I live in the desert southwest of the US and it’s very dry here. I have to use two large humidifiers to keep my plants happy. I started out with the wire moss pole, but would have to water every 3rd or 4th day. After about the 3rd pole I started adding the plastic backing. It’s made a huge difference with my watering cycle. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the chart - very helpful! Love to Brad 😽
All of my salutes go to Bradley.
Thanks :)
Good teachings Jan! Thanks for sharing!
Thank you:)
my climbing monstera was several metres long, wound a few times thru a support i had built from wood, like a ladder shape support. the leaves were getting smaller and smaller the longer it got. i just chopped it back drastically and installed a mossy leaf moss pole with chunky coir. at same time re-potted into much more draining media with chunky coir, peat, sand, and mostly pumice.
hope it re-grows, and i've taken cuttings. once again a media of peat and perlite let me down, as i found out during the re-potting.
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32:00 the new version of this PCV piping a Bunnings. My mother uses them 😊.
It was a very helpful video, I think I may have a go at making my own, and I saw the top of my Monstera Vada and I had to cut the plastic pole and now it’s not usable
That’s good to know :)
@@sydneyplantguy it does :). They are good for just a support but I don’t buy them for your reasoning
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I think "aerial roots" are just normal roots exposed to air. So they will absorb water and nutrients and for aroids in nature that is a big way they get nutrients from decomposing matter in the crooks of tree branches. When it rains it washed the nutrients down so the roots attached to the tree will then absorb all those nutrients.
Edit: Im not disagreeing that coco coir poles are useless as a moss pole. Most people don't live in the tropical rain forest and if they did it wouldn't be raining in their house everyday. Even if you used a coco pole outdoors in the rain forest it would be pointless because it would still need nutrients.
This was just the guide I needed! I am using the ones with a plastic background currently. I make them myself and I am using a transparent plastic sheet so I can observe the roots and I still see the „aging“ in form of algae. It helps with the aesthetics imo!
I use plastic back moss poles for most plants that need support. I do have a Scindapsis on a birch tree branch 😀🇨🇦
I consider Jan as the male counterpart of Kaylee Ellen.
I'm going to try out aroid mix pole because my moss keeps drying out and it is quite difficult to get it moist once it gets too dry 😢
That 's real gyaan ,was searching for. Thank you much.
Hello Jan,
nice video! I just got two remarks.
Open moss poles may cause issues with high air humidity and mold in your appartment. So I utilize open moss poles only when I want to grow several vines on a pole. Otherwise I use the plastic back ones. For open moss poles I like to use "Laubschutzgitter" (please translate this for me :-)). These are cylindric plastic grids which can easily be filled with moss etc..
As wooden planks you can use driftwood found at the river sides. They don't rot and sometimes look really nice.
You're so right about the driftwood 😍😍 planks of wood can look so basic and through driftwood can still look minimalistic but also so unique :D open moss poles would try out too quick where I live so I'm doing half but with bamboo and non plastic coated wire to reduce consumption of plastic that'll still be alive when I'm gone
Yeah! This is so awesome. I’m loving the spreadsheet vibes. Next time, can we have Jan in corporate attire, perhaps? Thanks so much. Huuuuugggggs!
Haha i only get into a suit for my annual SPG awards :P
Its too perfect that 1. You made this video, and 2. I just found your channel......i was literally trying to decide which supports i should use for my different climbers, and i actually didnt think anyone else would care about such things like i do.
So its good to know theres a whole community out here that are nerds about plants like i am 😂
Yay :) welcome to the crazy plant family 😋😋
I appreciate how great and accomplished you are. You are a natural teacher and I truly enjoy your videos. Nothing but continued success for you! Oh and Mr Bradley! Love his chill attitude just wanna hug him up Lol. Thanks for all the information you share. 😊
Thank you so much!:)
Thanks always see the cocoa coir so was wondering how it’s used
Great, thoughtful, useful information presented in such a visually and orally concise format. As an educator, A++ for reaching a wide audience.😃
Thank you so much :)
No bamboo?
The notes on wood would also apply to bamboo but the plant would have a harder time to attach :) so something between a trellis & wood :)
Coco coir poles work wonders if youre growing your plants outside, in a pot or in the ground. I live in Kerala, where most of the coco coir is exported from and it rains very heavily almost all the time through out the year (we don't have much climate changes than monsoon and summer). So a coco coir pole is great as a support that dries out faster and not rot the roots. I usually let my aroids climb up a tree, but when a need a pole instead, I go for coco coir, which is easily available every around here. You can also make one if you have a coconut palm in your yard, which I have. Moss poles are good for interior setups, because they can retain more moisture. Cococoir also doesn't disintegrate fast so lasts longer too.
Good point :)
Incredibily informative,thank you for taking the time to document everything
Thanks :)
Are there corner moss poles?
mmm I suppose if you put a moss pole in a corner then that would be a corner moss pole :)
show your philodendron lupinum please
It’s dead :P
@@sydneyplantguy nooo 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹
I am redoing my moss poles- great info- I added bark to moss & now rethinking it. I use leca
Thanks :)
Love this video and thanks for the spreadsheet, it really helps to keep overview of the pros and cons!🌿🌿🌿 I have my monstera on an open moss pole but it won't root into the pole. every time the roots touch the moss, they just rot away 😭
Mm maybe increase airflow :)
Excellent break down Jan!! Just yesterday I put an Adansonii and my Manjula Pothos on my home made moss poles I made from your specs! I made the open air style but I put the thicker plastic shelf liner along the backs on the inside to keep the drying out to a minimum. I went crazy looking for something to put in the backs and came across an old box of a plastic roll of shelf liner I used under my kitchen sink years ago. It was a perfect idea, but I had to buy more as I only had a small piece left. It worked perfectly as I punched holes and zip tied it into the back but left the front open. They are outside on my deck right now. Not sure where they will go yet when the weather changes. I don't need the heat map as I know I will be using this style from now on. Before I got married back in the early 80's I had a gorgeous Syngonium White Butterfly that I bought mounted onto what looked liked a sliver of wood with the bark still attached. I loved how that looked with that plant but I could not find a source for that any longer. I wish I still had it. I wish I still had that plant too. I have not been able to grow another one like it.
When the moss pole is only one segment high, do you still use the whole 1L bottle to water it?
Can't tell you exactly how much water you'll need to use :) You will find out over time :) Maybe be conservative first, see if half a litre is enough & if not, do more :)
This was a great video, very informative. Than you
Glad it was helpful!:)
Love the cat!
What's the point of this video when we already know your preference/bias towards moss poles?
My preferences are based on my growing conditions & goals. We all have different conditions & goals so it’s not about my preference :) just sharing my experiences to help other people choose their preference based on their conditions / goals / time availability
Did you ever tried to grow on moss poles with living moss instead of dried? I wonder if thats better and helps to prevent mold issues or so 🤔☺️ 🌿🪴
I have never tried but should work perfectly fine :)
Ok thank you ☺️