Checking Out The Icy Dock ToughArmor 2.5" NVMe Bay
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2021
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Long live the 5.25" bay.
I was actually thinking that when I was thinking about getting an icy dock!
00:10 intro
00:30 They have a server channel?
00:56 DC 4500 might have some issues
01:08 The Holy Grrrrrail!!??
01:20 Wendel has cool toys, none of us are jealous.
01:53 The non reveal - reveal. ;)
02:35 How to connect Dock - Cabling / Adapter options.
3:45 The Dock itself
3:48 The use of cellophane bags instead of just plain plastic bags with a zip top is - displeasing.
4:09 dock cooling
4:25 dock caddies
4:30 labeling system (neat idea, need to be able to buy extra sets, comes with two)
4:45 PCI lane breakdown
5:38 Pricing (Pro-sumerish imho)
7:28 Pci HotPlug? == Maybe
8:34 Satisfying beard stroke and farewell
I'm dying! So glad i wasn't the first to notice! :'D
This is next level timestamp. I shall call it Level2Time.
I am using their 8x 2.5" in 1x 5.25" and I was impressed by the build quality.
Sure it is expensive but it works very well, the mechanism feels secure, quite tough and the cooling to noise performance is pretty good for the my SATA SSDs.
Awesome info, the NVMe hub is exactly what I have been looking for. For the hotplug support, the critical part is the voltage and current shunting from the PCB. Ideally, a microcontroller that can hold the PCIe addresses space, PMIC shunt, and simulate safe shutdown would be perfect 😁
lol you got me with that intro, nearly choked on my drink
I would love to see more videos about U.2, NVMe and their connection types and possibilities, server and ordinary desktop PC.
"1 second to explain"
Take however long, I enjoy Level 1
Outstanding wall art btw.
Wendell, we need this for NVME. Develop, create, profit.
My old two full size towers, time to shine!
I was super exited when I saw this over 1 year ago, and bought a few, trying to build a disk station, but never figured out hot plug part. I got as far as automated scripts to rescan devices and power down to remove device, but true hot plug never worked. Something has to be plugged in when system boots up. That was on a X299 platform, perhaps time to restart this project with AMD
Great video, but I didn't see the ICYDock hooked up to the motherboard. What cables do I need to do that? Where do I get them? IcyDock doesn't sell them for some reason.
What cable/card combination would you need if you wanted to connect the nvme drives in the chassis to a PCI slot on the motherboard?
got this in other form factors too (love both sata and pcie ones), the fans on these are horrible (whiny little fans). Apart from that great results. ran this with esx home server, worked great
Can't you replace the fans with noctua ones tho?
@I think the fans are too small
@ i just removed the fans as i think the case flow is good enough unless you are in a hot environment. also i dont do too much io sustained workloads, more burst. The metal construction is solid and might also help with heat dissipation i think
You need 12TB for temporary build artifacts? Is it also running unit tests with test data that required that much?
I use a 1x version of this, it has no fan and gets a bit hot, otherwise it works nicely.
My p4500 sadly don't like to much extention cabels, so they stay in the pcie slots for the moment, but this would be a nice solution.
(HEDT motherboards need more u.2 connectors....)
multiple bay 3.5" external enclosures can be quite pricey as well.
What server-ish mainboard where you talking about? Supermicro?
We love Master Wendell!
A build server is one place I'd want ECC. You don't want a bitflip ending up as some random error in a binary you've built, as that's then a PITA to diagnose.
Are the fans in the Icy Dock compatible with Noctua fans? I'm planning to use Icy Dock, but the whole point of using a desktop Workststion rather than a server is to make it as silent as possible. If I can replace the fans I will go for it
What is that gigabite add on card how much an were can I get
Needs an update for PCIe5.0 U.2, M.2 NVME 5.0 Which should I use ?
What's worse than having L1 Drunk News? It's no news week. My body is shaking right now.
Is there a Gen4 U.2 version in the works?
Yeah, don‘t use the built-in fans for a 2 x P4510 + 2 x Optane 905P configuration. Mixed load is okay but when writing to all drives simultaneously the SSD controller temperatures go beyond 80 degrees Celsius. Going to test these bays with Samsung PM1733 PCIe 4.0 SSDs next, they should also handle Gen4.
Are still thinking about building a cheep workstatio wit Epy server cpu's. I'm struggling to find motherboard for new upcomming milan 7003. But i suppose 7002 mobo's shouls support new gen
Do you guys 'membah when cases used to have 5 1/4 inch drive bays?
I 'membah.
01:47 I'm running a 2950x on Asrock Rack X399D8A-2T and Proxmox. Been great so far!
So does the NVMe go at full speed with this?
@@austecon6818 I didn't run a benchmark. If by full speed you meant PCI-E Gen 4, then no, it's only Gen 3. I've 2 of them in a mirror and my LXC and VM images are on them. So far they've been running great.
Although if you have a media server like Plex / Emby (or anything write heavy) running on such a system, set the temp transcode folder to the HDD array. If usage is high, it'll chew through the SSD endurance very quickly unless you use SLC NAND SSDs.
Is there a server channel as well as the main L1T and L1L channels? 🤔
I have a similar setup for my 4TB spinning rust SATA drives.
6:01: - what is my purpose?
-you pass tests
- o my God
- yeah welcome to real life buddy
Technically, that is not a U.2 connector behind the icydock. It's an SFF-8643 connector which then connects to the U.2 drive via the former designation of SFF-8639. But I suppose from a simple view of things, you are indirectly correct.
that "ripe for disruption" comment has me interested. just before xmas i bought a cage to mount 3x 3.5" drives in 2x drive bays...
i eventually found one i was satisfied with the price... but man, for what's in them, they seem to be priced at a considerable markup. but on the flip side, so was everything else.
i wonder if there's some kind of patent licensing fee that is making it so expensive or something?
but if you guys manage to make some affordable drive cages of various types, consider me interested.
Odd that you mentioned the use of other motherboard connectors ie oculink and slimsas but failed to mention a known issue with these interfaces connecting to icydock. Icydock even has the warning in red on their website which was displayed briefly in your video.
what is the case?
My first home server was using Icy Dock bays in some knock off chinese case
Woot!
Hmmm, given you share 4 drives on one M.2 Port means you share the PCIe lanes as well? Not sure how that performs compared to 4 SATA3 drives linked separately, given the extra cost.
No each drive has its own u.2 port.... 16 lanes total in the enclosure.
Thanks.
Holy ballz! I got one by icy dock for sata SSDs. Plastic not metal.. but it is awesome! Arch Linux one day win 10 another, need debian? Got an SSD for that. No more dual boot. Just power off, switch the SSD (it holds up to 4).
Oh, and I have another dock from 2011 in my NAS that holds an 8 track nicely, lol... but it's true use is for one large HDD and one 2.5" at the same time, that is am awesome product I am still using by ICY DOCK. The build quality isn't stellar but hey... Still in use in 2020 - not bad.
Wouldn't have thought to ever see an IcyBox product here... knew them for years and I never had issues with their stuff but they seem kinda cheap for what they are sometimes
I'm clearly working in the wrong field.... I can bend a sheet 4 ways and sell it for stupid high prices ?!
you gotta stick "not the best fans" on it first, though
*IF* this device is reliable, I can see people being willing to pay $200 for it. I've been burned too many times by "hot swap" bays malfunctioning,
Oh, and yes, you could probably make decent money bending metal for case mods and network racks. A friend of mine was so frustrated with the prices he was being quoted for network rack shelves that he had some custom made at a local metal shop and saved a lot of money. It is absolutely goofy what manufacturers try to charge especially if only their thing fits in their case/rack/whatever.
My dad used to own a sheet metal shop and did custom work for the small town we lived next to. He would have made bank in today's time.
Our products can be expensive because it is patented, tough build quality and come with an industry-leading 3-year warranty. Most of our products are being used at Tier 1 companies.
HA, I have this thing. I installed 4 900P Optane SSDs into one and connected it to a Asus Hyper 16X. I had to use 4 of those M.2 to U.2 adapters.
We have an adapter releasing in a couple of weeks to support U.2 NVMe SSD (aka the Intel Optane SSDs) externally via a USB 3.2 Gen 2 connection. Look out for it soon!
See product page here: www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=363
@@ICYDOCKUSA Cool, I've been using your stuff in some more niche builds for a while.
+1 for the hyperx x16, one of the best adapter i ever owned. built like a tank and good thermal design too.
I have U.2 on my old X99 mobo. Not sure I will ever use it.
when in 2021, showing 4xU2 drives, there is a "FDD" shown in the diagram..
Hey, what's with the new theme music 🙂🙂
Where we can buy those drives cheaper?. I see them for like 2k usd per 4tb unit.
Ebay
Hello Bartek,
Indeed, U.2 NVMe SSDs are expensive. The cost-effective solution would be using M.2 NVMe SSD, in conjunction with an M.2 to U.2 form factor converter such as our EZConvert MB705M2P-B (www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=303)
What they don’t tell you is that this thing will not work with your cables or your motherboard you have to spend $500 more to get the V2 or V3 to function SAS standards changed at some point.
Is there M.2 hot-swap solutions available on market ???
If you are looking for the M.2 NVMe version, we have the ToughArmor MB720M2K-B. View the product page: www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=330. As NVMe is the most sophisticated protocol, it does not support Hot-Swap, only Hot-Plug but this is dependent on your computer hardware/software capabilities.
I just want a nvme cable to a nvme bay with a caddy so I can change out my boot drive when needed without sata ssds speeds
Ah yes I've been eyeing Icy Dock products for years now before I've upgraded my case to the Define R6, albeit the more pedestrian sata connector variety which is about 1/4th of the price of that one, and never could justify it's price so never got one.
We have promotions running every month, subscribe to our newsletter list and maybe the product you want is up for sale! www.icydock.com/epaper.php
@@ICYDOCKUSA So what cables are required to connect this directly to any of the standard nmve connections on my ASUS Z690 ROG Maximus Formula DDR5 Intel LGA 1700 ATX Motherboard? Will it throttle an NVME Gen4 SSD down to Gen3 speeds?
Hmm gotta see what this is :)
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algorithm interaction, as always
I'm a big fan of the Icy Dock ToughArmor series for years now and use several 5.25" backplane versions myself and can't complain.
It's but a shame that each year there are fewer and fewer computer cases with 5.25" bays.
www.icydock.com
so 2.5 NVMe is now a thing? what happen to m2?
If you are looking for the M.2 NVMe version, we have the ToughArmor MB720M2K-B. View the product page: www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=330
I'd like a way to use cheap m2 drives as back up drives. It will be much faster than esata.
Yes, but why would you use that when you could use an HDD for offsite storage? Speed doesn’t matter much if you infrequently access it.
I looked and saw that Icydock offers a 4x in 5.25" and a 12x M.2 in 5.25" ! Not sure about the performance of the 12x though. ^^
@@4gust4 get one of these. RAID0 the whole lot. www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=341
would definitely not do that I'm running only SSD since..many years and they see pretty outrageous usage Power On Hours : 8741 hours
Host Writes : 110307 GB (yep that's 110Tb written in 364 days) I never had any real problems with regular sata SSDs but M.2s...my M.2 C: after a hard crash because of bad overclocking was half destroyed, partition was unrepairable and after cloning it and extracting the drive on another system 2/3 of the files were corrupt, showing full normal sizes but filled with random data, before switching to M.2 I had the same kind of crashes and never have I seen this, no one else either as a result I don't trust M.2 for storage
@@fredEVOIX but i wont be overclocking. currently using a mix of sata ssd and hdd. Only had a hdd fail coz i didnt use it for a whole year. I think the mechanical parts just seized. other drives i have stopped using coz of capacity. Threw away some nice enterprise drives coz they were only 250gb
Hmm maybe ASRock 🤔
Soon™
5:33 Please build a level1techs version thats reasonably priced. All of Icy Docks 2.5" bays are absurdly over priced.
Wendell refers to U.2 as the STANDARD.
Me : Throws all m.2 in the garbage
Why not just go with M.2?
Show me a $400 4tb m.2? That's about what the older intel u.2 go for...
get on old case with like 5X 5.25 bays and have a completely impractical build
icy box doesn't frankly make good quality products (plastic and cheap-o and yes noisy fans whatever the product) but they sell niche products that no one else does or that are cheaper alternatives, for example I have several of their 2-bays raid boxes, one almost 5 years old still working fine, also a 10 HDD external usb box, good luck finding another one, most stop at 8 and include raid or whatever that I didn't want (that case you can easily turn off drives separately)
I bought one of their USB 2+eSATA RAID enclosures for my father. The enclosure itself is still working fine, despite the fact the eSATA port never worked properly (on different motherboards).
Never upgraded to a USB 3 enclosure as the reviews are uninspiring. When you have the chipset which could have bugs/incompatibilities, the power supply which could be underspecced and the SATA cable that could just be defective (judging by said reviews) such an upgrade will never happen.
lol this thing is now almost $500.
I'd be more interested in an external USB RAID enclosure that doesn't suck.
Back to that piece of bent metal, for that amount of money I could buy a second hand 1U server.
@@ICYDOCKUSA am I supposed to be impressed by this statement or can I just laugh my ass off?
Tier 1 companies use NetApp, Emc2, HP and IBM storage arrays.
These clowns at Icydock just replied the following:
"Buford "Mad Dog" Tannen Our products are built for enterprise usage. If you would like to purchase knock-offs which may lead to unexpected data loss and bad connection, you may proceed in that direction. Thank you!"
I'm not sure if they have deleted the comments or just blocked me.
Just to be clear: I worked in the enterprise for 20+ years. We did not use Icydock products. Again for the price of that gadget, one can buy a second hand 1U server.
Also, about data loss... I'd suggest you read the hundreds of 1-2 star reviews on Amazon about your RAID enclosures disconnecting, losing data, and how your customer service is rated.
You can also grab a Linkreal x8 or x16 card, that goes directly to the appropriate SFF connector and really scale out nvme with these enclosures. Bonus on those Linkreal cards: depending on the model, is they have an optional PLX switch, so you can go from 8->16 lanes or 16->32 lanes or get bifurcation working in a board that doesn't support it.
I agree with Wendell though, much as the Icydock is quite cool (and even comes in a regular M2 form factor as well), it's very overpriced.
Interesting. What's the point of lanes doubling with PLX for storage? Looks data path between disks and CPU will anyway be limited by CPU lanes to the relevant mobo slot. The only point I could see is if some storage configs (raid1? raid10?) can utilise PLX for effective mirroring? But, even if that's the case - only for writes.
I drilled out all the 3.5" and 5.25" bays in my Arc Mini after I was convinced they'd never be relevant again.
F
"this will never be relevant to me!"
(shortly thereafter)
"i need a new case with some of that... 'irrelevant tech' please..."
$300!?
At a point in every RUclips creators career, there must be a thumbnail that can easily be edited to have a certain part going in their mouth. It’s a fact of life.
the EZConvert MB705M2P-B
M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD to 2.5" U.2 PCIe SSD Converter Adapter
is another option you could use with this dock
they have another model that just uses m.2 bays but I find this model more flexible
HighPoint has a number of NVMe Add-in Cards that work nicely with deployments like this
+1 for you!
@@ICYDOCKUSA where can we get the interface cables for this unit ?
12TB of FLASH. TANK IS DPS!
They still have no competition so they are selling this thing for almost 400$ still. It has almost doubled in price since they started selling it and the fans are worthless.
Do you plan on doing some content on Apple's M1 chip? Would love to hear your insights!
Please dont...apple products are absolute trash
@@jrhowrey If it's trash, then Wendell can tell us :) Apple's M1 tech is interesting regardless of your opinions no one asked for. It affects the entire industry as it represents a push towards ARM away from x86.
I don't know why anyone is still using SSD's NVMe is the only way to go!!
At 4:37 you state, "that it uses a standard U.2 connection at the back", it actually uses 4 x miniSAS HD (SFF-8643) connections.
Yes, this type of connector is often simply labeled "u.2" on motherboards that have it built in :)
much expansion much pcie lans
"Follow our server content" ?? Is there a Server content RUclips-channel?
Haha there's a Level1Enterprise multi-playlist w/Level1Servers.
You are missing the ending screen card. Plz add to keep us on your channel 👍
Me: Takes a break from talking about dev-ops at my day job to watch a video about u.2.
I was emotionally unprepared to hear Artifactory and Ansible during this.
I do love Artifactory, though. It's such a pity their customer support is absolutely awful.
nnnnno.
Whats a guy to do? Wisdom required.
Sata is dead in the water.. We dont have enough M.2 slots.... Whats the solution for folks wanting storage on consumer space?
My main pc has an NVME boot >3.2GB/s but my 3x 2TB Sata SSD's run the same 500MB/s we've had for 8 years!!
If a pcie4x1 lane was used for 2 sata we could forgo a single m.2 and gain 8x sata ports at 985MB/s.
Why are we still stuck with what feels like the storage version of AGP.
Are we REALLY wanting a future where a person buys a full ATX motherboard... for 1x graphics card, 2x M.2 (1cpu, 1 chipset) and that's it, An ITX system can do that!
well, at least with the full ATX motherboard you get all your remaining pcie lanes on pcie slots you can use for M.2 add-in cards. They are also way cheaper than this hot swap bay.
If you need a large array of fast storage, go threadripper, that should have plenty of pcie lanes for that. If you really need an enormous amount of fast storage, epyc.
The more cost effective strategy though would be to have a handful of fast NVME SSDs for what needs fast access, and large slow magnetic SATA drives for bulk storage. On Linux you can also use bcache or dm-cache to let the OS cache stuff for you on the fast NVMEs that you regularily access.
Git gud
The icydock fan's are loud trash and will die in a few months. Replace them with the 20mm Noctua's NF-A4x20. Other than being ugly, they are silent and have been running for years. Unscrew, unplug. Rescrew, replug. Done.