The ENTIRE Rockstar Multiverse Explained
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- Опубликовано: 8 мар 2024
- The ENTIRE Rockstar Multiverse Explained.
The Rockstar Games Multiverse has been debated about forever. Does the GTA 6 trailer have an RDR 2 character? Is Red Dead apart of the GTA 5 universe? What about LA Noire, Max Payne, Bully or Manhunt? Is every GTA game connected? Are GTA 5 easter eggs, just that? Today I'll try and answer everything about The Rockstar Game Multiverse in detail.
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Carcer City is mentioned in GTA III, before the release of Manhunt on Flash FM, as being "nearby", so probably in the State of Liberty, in the 3D Universe at least.
Actually is on Lips 106
And gary shafer is mentioned as well
Might be next to LC, so maybe Jersey City?
@@HorseChoker001 Nah,in Gta 4 is also close to Liberty City but there is Alderney (GTA New Jersey),is more likely Chicago or Detroit
Theory is that Carcer is Detroit
there was a war in the Gta universe where the americans fought the australians. It's a minor fact but maybe this war is the reason cities changed name between RDR and GTA
Is it cause Australia always bans their games?
"the things I saw in the war cousin ... They were upside down riding giant lizards and birds. They carried kazoos and used spider cannons... Are you fucking asleep roman?!“
@@Dolo18Hunna I wouldn't be surprised if it was
@Dolo18Hunna out of interest. Which gta games are banned?
@@reddeadvids1355 both manhunt games are banned and gta v was banned but it’s not anymore
I like the theory that la noire is a show in gta because it honestly felt like it
A show that Michael would watch
@@jamesdawg2813 While sippin cognac and smoking a cigar
@@xSavedSoulx or eating some chips
@@2108czernikowand watching his wife getting trained by her trainer in bedroom
I really am sorry for what I'm about to say.. it's truly the number one "erm.. actually☝️🤓" moment in our modern society.. Although, I do have to say it. It wouldn't make sense for this to be a show in Grand Theft Auto 5 because GTA 5, and pretty much every GTA in general have usually comical and comedic commercials and movies. L.A Noir might not be the most serious at times, but I'd say it's more serious and dramatic than something in GTA 5.
midnight club shouldnt be in its own universe for one big reason, the brands, they use real car manufacturers and real clothing brands for those games.
For 3 and LA yeah. But 1 and 2 didn’t, they only featured real locations just with cars that had different names and appearances to their real life counterparts.
@@-SoonerorLaterI’m guessing it’s in the same universe as LA noire since both use real car brand
GTA 3 references Miami, Carcer City, and New York I believe. From there that meant both versions of cities could exist. Red Dead takes place in the HD universe mostly because some assets carry over and references like that book. It would surprise me if we don't have references to Saint Denis in GTA 6 since they are the only 2 active franchises with Rockstar right now.
I wouldn't be surprised if GTA 6 has as many or more references to RDR 2 in it.
I wonder what Miami looks like, if Vice City is based in Miami.
honestly i just don’t think the writers thought this far ahead lol gta 3 was like a leap of faith for rockstar at the time. i’m pretty sure they did not foresee how big the franchise would eventually get
And isn't lamar talking to Franklin on how grove street wasn't always ballast territory ij reference to gta San andreas
My theory is that cities and states simply changed their names at some point in the 20th century, Liberty used to be New York and San Andreas used to be California back when Arthur and John were alive, but later got renamed and became what we see in GTA, with stuff as car plates and turism billboards being simply old stuff that no one ever bothered to change (which fits with the running theme of GTA that the US is actually a pretty run-down country), and then when characters mention California and Florida in GTA, they are simply referring to the old names, which everyone in that world understands actually mean San Andreas and Leonida.
Most logical theory
My theory is that they both exist
Carcer City was also mentioned on the gta sa Radio
Yea, Carcer City is mentioned a lot throughout the series. It makes sense for GTA SA tho since they are in the same universe
@@JetroYT im only saying this since you only included the gta 4 & 5 references in the video
MAX PAYNE takes place in the Remedy Universe (Alan Wake, Control…)
Carcer City is mentioned in various gta games (3d - hd)
RDR/LA NOIRE could be in-game media (Books/TV Shows…)
Max Payne, the only series to be part of 2 different gaming universes at the same time.
So you're telling me max payne become Alan wake later since both are same character lol
@@thegameking3931 if you played any any alan wake game u would know that alex casey is literally max payne
@@thegates-pearly but that's not Max Pyne that alex Casey
He is character Alan wrote
Quick thing to point out with Carcer city, if Liberty City and Vice City are in multiple universes then Carcer City can be as well
Yes, exactly. That was why I said that Manhunt is in the 3D universe, instead of HD because even though it's mentioned in the HD universe in GTA 4 and 5, locations can cross universe, just not characters, so Carcer City can exist in every universe, but James Earl Cash can't.
@@JetroYTJames*
@@mikenash6124 whoops, thank you!
There's at least one exception to the character rule. El Burro. He is a mission giver in GTA 1 and 3. Although, since it is different universes, then it's two versions of him, but he is in both.
I genuinely just think at this point they really are in separate universes. I just find the idea of the two cities (Fictional and the Real life) co-existing so dumb that I’ll just pretend that option doesn’t exist and just accept they’re in different universes
I know, it doesn't make much sense until we see exactly what this canon map looks like, but there's too much evidence to support they co-exist with eachother.
My headcanon is that new york and l.a and any other cities look vastly different from the real life ones, and that liberty city and los santos are the cities we know irl. What new york, florida, los angeles, california look like in the hd universe is a mystery
@Splatinum69 well we know that San Andreas is California (and can assume it stills stretches to San Francisco and Las Vegas making it bigger than Cali) and that Florida is in the state of "Leonida" (which is unknown whether it's the same Shape as Florida and stuff)
@@JetroYT There's too much evidence to support you huff your own farts
My explanation that I would give to that would be that the real life names of the locations are only nicknames or simply other names for the same place. Vice City has the other name of Miami, and New York has the other name of Liberty City.
Leonida is commonly named Florida, by Niko in one of the Eddie Low missions in GTA IV. Sort of like how we call Chicago the Windy City, sometimes, in real life.
GTA’s United States is so confusing.If San Andreas coexists with California, i wonder where San Andreas is. It’s an island, but then again Trevor implies that the GTA 5 map is only HALF of san andreas when reaching Paleto Bay during the “I Fought The Law” mission. San Fierro and Las Venturas have been mentioned many times in GTA 5 and 4 so maybe we just can’t see the other half. there are also US maps found throughout GTA 5 that show all 48 states except the islands of San Andreas and Liberty City.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's canon that San Andreas is supposed to be an island. I believe it is only like that for gameplay reasons and is meant to be connected to the mainland. But you are right, I have no idea what this world of GTA looks like exactly, but I hope it's something Rockstar confirms one day...
@@JetroYT Although many players think the characters see the map as an island, if I'm not mistaken in some GTA V or Online mission Lester refers to the western or the northern water mass as a river, implying that there must be other cities near them if not San Fierro or Las Venturas or just the rest of the country
Not confusing at all, if you know then you know. Which state is wich.
Manhunt and GTA are in same universe. One of the protagonist in Manhunt was born in San Fierro, San Andreas and he returns to the city at the end of the game.
Michael De Santa had his first robbery in Carcer City.
there's a theory that El Rubio's Ancestors was the German Family that Arthur and Charles saved during the final mission for Chapter 2
I remember seeing something about this when I was researching. Might be worth a video someday.
It is covered in the start of the video that Rockstar themselves say that background characters/brands and things on the radio can exist between universes, which makes it more likely that references to California or anything outside the GTA universe on the radio or within advertisements etc. could be considered transient and not tied to the actual game universe it exists in.
Does this mean Austin Powers Oh behave is in the 2D universe? 😂
LMAO, then Rockstar Ping Pong must be 3D Universe too
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I believe Red Dead is in the Grand Theft Auto HD Universe. There are references to California in GTA V and GTA Advance. My headcanon for this is that the names of the states changed recently enough for some old people still remember it and have passed it on to a handful of people.
I don't think the city/state names are changed because it's confirmed in GTA 4 that LC was created in the 1600's or something. But you are right that Red Dead is in the HD universe.
I tried to map the rdr map and gta map and it could be connected, but the scale is way off. As in 5 different states in the state of Louisiana.
I’d argue that the storyline is canon, but in the same way Gta San Andreas and V are connected. The events happened since Dutch’s grandson is canon in gta online along with the German family being the grandparents of El Rubio, the book from Jack Marston, and the Bigfoot hunters grandson, but the map and direct events are likely slightly different.
Just pretend it’s a movie adaptation of real events. It’s essentially the amount of differences that would be seen if that were the case.
In my personal headcanon, its still two different universes but both the events of the HD universe and RDR happened in the universes. Maybe the names are the only thing different in the universes and the events of the games happened the same.
If you look in the booklet for Manhunt 2 it says that the main character Daniel Lamb graduated from the University of San Fierro in 1985 and there are assets from 3D era gta games found in Manhunt 2 like the Voodoo and the Trashmaster
In GTA 5 there is gang Dialog mentioning the main character in GTA San Andrea's, so this should connect the universes together.
I reckon you'll be one of the main GTA RUclipsrs when VI comes out.
I appreciate that a lot dude, thank you! Just glad people are enjoying the content I make.
Your videos are honestly put together so well for a relatively small channel. I’m sure we will all be watching you grow in the near future
I appreciate that dude, thank you and I hope your right!
Masterclass of a video mate, keep it up
Thank you man, I’m glad you liked it!
watched this video till the end, then i realized you had not hundreds of thousands, but 2k subscribers lol. keep up the great work
One day hopefully lol. I'm glad you liked it though, cheers!
I always thought that the characters mentioning real life locations as opposed to fictional ones was always used an expression of sorts like when Niko sarcastically mentions he's from Florida to Eddie to making it more obvious that they're joking or exaggerating. Doesn't make too much sense for advertisements like the airport billboard but again maybe it's used to place more emphasize and show how great the fictional place is or something along those lines but that's just my theory.
yes theres a florida and a leonida in the hd universe
Yea it's really weird. Right now there are technically 3 canon versions of Miami. GTA: VC is set in Vice City, Florida as confirmed by Tommy. Miami, Florida as seen by the billboards, and now GTA 6 is Vice City, Leonida. I hope Rockstar addresses this in GTA 6, but they probably won't since they are 2 different universes.
@@JetroYT they all take place in one universe with multiple cities and ppl of the same name if they were separate universe they couldn't crossover
@@user-vb1bs8le3g Locations can crossover from universe to universe, just not characters. No main characters will ever be mentioned across universes.
@@JetroYT ok
@@JetroYT 4 version of Miami is Palm City from NFS heat
Midnight Club LA is not part of the GTA universe for a simple reason. Midnight Club uses real cars, GTA uses fictional ones. No car in GTA and Midnight Club are shared between the games, they only have similar counterparts.
All gtas are in the same universe more towns of the dame name and more ppl of the same name exist
Bro didnt you watch the video
@@Maggus-xd1uc I did
I read forum posts when BULLY came out theorizing that he was a younger James Earl Cash 😂
This ties up a lot of loose ends, great vid.
I like the theory. Glad you enjoyed though, thank you!
5:14 just imagine a GTA with this map...
I can answer that 5 seconds into the video: no.
If it is, it's because they retroactively made it so.
But no, they didnt set out with a plan to do it from the very first R* game.
Rockstar Games is the best ever they know their schedule and how the best things shall goes on.
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5:20 I think I saw this somewhere on this, saying that even though the GTA cities are based on the real cities
The real cities actually exist in the same universe as the GTA
It's very confusing but it really is true
A bully character with the Bullworth vest is in a gta4 cutscene, where Niko, Johnny, Playboy X are at Elizabetha's party before a mission
John Marston's hat is in a dumpster in L.A. Noire
Don’t forget the German Family from Red Dead 2, are ancestors of El Rubio of the Cayo Perico DLC. Heck it’s even emptied that the little German boy, are the grandfather of El Rubio. There are many pictures of the German family in Rubios mansion.
I like to believe RDR1 and RDR2 exist in the HD GTA universe. They just said New York so that people who do not play GTA could understand.
who hasn't played GTA?
Great video, I've always liked the idea of gta and red dead being in the same universe but I was always put off by the amount of people criticising the idea because of state/city names and stuff like that and I could never really come up with a reasonable explanation but thanks to this video I now have one.
Thank you! Not everyone will agree but that's alright. Just what made sense to me. Either way, glad you enjoyed!
HOW CAN YOU EVEN QUESTION THIS WHEN YOU HAVE THE IMPECCABLE IN DEPTH STORY OF Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis
About L.A Noire, there is a cutscene in gta V when Michael watch a movie that looks like L.A. Noire
5:28 also, something to point out is that the HD GTA universe is actually a set in the same universe/continuity as Insomniac’s Marvel universe, because in Spider-Man PS4 there is actually a crossover side mission that features Niko and Roman from GTA 4 (and may I mind you that that game in it’s entirety is set in New York City)
so we just gonna forget about Red Dead Revolver, and the fact that the protagonist of that game is mentioned by some background characters in RDR? Then again I could be misremembering that last bit
Red Dead Revolver is confirmed to not be canon to the Red Dead story, same with Undead Nightmares.
Radios mentioning cities is very dumb tbh, those radio host probably didn’t realize their mistake, rockstar usually lets those hosts do their own thing
Yea could be, but there is still the countless other references to real world locations, and the Miami Billboards, which Rockstar had an opportunity to remove in the definitive edition, but they never did, solidifying that it is supposed to be there.
@@JetroYT sure but rockstar wasn’t really in charge of making the definitive edition, they gave it to another company and I’m sure they probably made mistake, it can’t be possible for two identical locations, that would be weird but I do believe that states might be a thing considering
@@JetroYTexcept Rockstar outsourced the definitive edition to Grove Street Games, a company which before working on GTADE had only worked on mobile games. So i doubt they cared enough to fix a 20 year old mistake.
the miami billboard is simply a 4th wall breaking easter egg, not meant to be taken seriously, its just for the player to laugh@@JetroYT
They've been doing this since GTA 1 (It's own theme tune mentions real life police departments despite them having the spoof cities in the game and one rock tune on the Unleashed radio mentions L.A. "Was cruisin' down the freeway with the guys in L.A." Music in GTA 1 was all made in house.) so either names being used interchangeably or the both fake and real places existing, either I can get behind.
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this but not only was Carcer City referenced in GTA 3 and SA - it was mentioned on LCS too. I played it last year and came across a radio ad where the caller was supposedly from Carcer City.
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Thank you for your comments! I'm glad you liked it!
Okay but where do we stand on which universe to place Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis?
I believe Red Dead and GTA are definitely in the same universe
Carcer city is seen in the GTA SA intro too in the flights screen and Max Payne 3 has photos of vehicles from GTA 5 and 4, some of which hadn't came out until a GTAO dlc
You missed The Warriors and Red Dead Revolver.
"The Warriors" is an adaptation of the 1979 film of the same name. It could not exist in the GTA universe.
There is a comercial in Manhunt 2 during the mission Broadcast Interuped about a cowboy show that the protagonist looks a lot like Red Harlow
Red dead Revolver is probably in the 3D universe and maybe similar events happened in the HD universe as Red Harlow is referenced in both Redemption games.
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Instead of saying “a wizard did it”, since there are major historical events that happen in the GTA games that never happened IRL, so it’s possible NYC changed their name to Liberty City for some wacky reason
Manhunt happened in the 3d universe... Carcer City just happens to exist in the HD universe as a locations as well.
I saw a theory somewhere that some version or another of the story's events still take place in the HD Universe. San Andreas doesnt explicitly happen in the HD Universe, but the story could've implicitly happened in the timeline with undetermined changes.
So funny how we as fans are clamoring to make sense out of something that was meant to be overlooked this entire time
Really enjoyed the vid, subbed :)
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Love the vid!
Why hasn't any proposed the idea that the city names over time got their names change for whatever reasons and some people just say the old names as a force of habit or something along those lines
It is a good theory and has been mentioned a lot, but the reason it doesn't work is because it is confirmed in GTA 4 that Liberty City was founded in the 1600's, way before RDR took place.
I think Rockstar never mentioned that real-life cities aren’t actually in the universe with the in- game counterparts simply because it should be assumed and they didn’t feel like it was necessary to say so. I think posters, license plates, etc that have California, Miami, etc. might just be developers having fun with it because those things mean something to them. Like for instance maybe a California license plate in GTA V is put there with the same numbers that their license plate used to have or something. I save all my old plates every time I move to a new state.
I think it's canon that state states are not Islands, but connected to the content of the USA, but due to to limitations they look like islands.
Another thing to note are the geographical differences, while gta has always taken place on island cities. Red dead has always remained surrounded by lands like our own real world. So it seems unlikely they're in the same universe
They also mention Carcer City in GTA 3 on the radio
Carcer City is first mentioned on GTA III either on Lips 106 or Chatterbox a lady says “In nearby Carcer City”
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Also, at some point , Lamar and Franklin mention grove st being a families hood, which ties back to San Andreas . So the hd and 3d universe are a lil more related
Also in Red Dead they could be mentioning NYC instead of Liberty City because Liberty City wasn’t around.
While I do like the theory, it's confirmed in GTA 4 that Liberty City was founded in the early 1600's.
womp womp
also i think midnight club and la noire are in the same universe based off that they have licensed cars and have la
I like to believe they’re all in the same universe, it’s more fun that way lol, just gotta retcon the names of certain state/cities
I still dont understand how rockstar says the characters aren’t in the same universe but lazlzo is on the 3d universe radios and is a character in the hd universe
They ONLY make exceptions for radio personalities, like Lazlow. Every main/side character is what they are referring too as being separate to their own universes.
you forgot about red dead revolver, which would also be in the 3d universe
Red Dead Revolver isn’t canon, confirmed by Rockstar.
when you talk about game mechanics between games I.E. la noire when you find the serial number on a gun or the max payne 3 kill cams both being in Red Dead 2 as well as bullet time From max payne being in everything. it kinda makes sense that all these games are connected.
This is good find. Although I’m not too sure if gameplay mechanics can be considered canon. I could be wrong though I’d like to hear other people’s thoughts.
Carcer City is also referenced in a GTA San Andreas radio station add as a vacation spot.
If the two city canon did exist that would be extremely weird considering how close related they might be, like New York with Liberty city, thats just odd, GTA universes don’t include cities that already have a parody of em like NYC or LA, but other cities around the country might exist
That Bigfoot side storyline proves RDR and GTA are in the same universe.
I've always thought that hearing things like New York or California, is just OUR very own universes interpretation of the locations found in the GTA Universe. Kind of like how when we watch movies where the dialogue is English, but the film is set in a different country with a different language that we can't speak. It's just a translation of sort to make it more easily understood without having to learn the language, or in this case learn the new locations.
You forgot everyone’s favorite game Table Tennis
Okay here me out, this video seems to have strong opinions here’s mine, I believe the real world and the Rockstar world ARE 2 universes, Rockstar worlds ARE NOT perfect recreations of the real world… sure, Vice City is BASED ON Miami but that doesn’t mean IT IS Miami, it’s Vice City, BASED ON Miami, NOT ACTUALLY Miami, I remember hearing a theory about their being some sort of flooding or natural disaster, that’s why the GTA worlds are on islands.
The biggest thing is maps, what connects these games are the maps, the red dead game's use fictional names for their states, maps dont line up to exist in the same universe.
Manhunt is easy, it take place in the 3D universe, but i think it also implies that manhunt manhunt may exists in the HD universe too. But yeah even before manhunt was made or released, gta 3 refernces carcer city so many times with even a tie into events into manhunt 1, manhunt 2 is 3D too but almost no games reference cottonmouth where it takes place
8:05 personally I'm more interested in the book next to it "Life In the Hood: Uncircumcised". Why does Franklin have that?
Surprised this is made I was thinking of doin a timeline video of the entire 3d universe but kinda hard
I wonder, which universe is GTA: Chinatown Wars in?
HD Universe,in Gta 4 in the police database website there are files for Huang Lee,Uncle Kenny,Zhou Ming,Chan Jaoming,Hsin Jaoming,Lester Leroc and Rudy D'avanzo
In my opinion, Rockstar initially wanted to keep these universes separate but as time passed they’ve been experimenting with connecting them at least with just easter eggs.
I think there is one game you left out of this theory and that's Red Dead Revolver with Red Harlow. I think it's important since numerous characters reference Red Harlow in both Red Dead 1 and 2. We can even find locations in both games that resemble some locations from Revolver. But, even still, I think the answer is quite simple here. Red Dead Revolver is simply a tale. A story that's been told by the people in Red Dead Redemption where Red Harlow is much more of a legend or just a story than he is a real person. Of course, maybe the story of Red Dead Revolver is based on true events since we can find some locations that tie back to Red Dead Revolver roughly, but that's really it. That's what I think Red Dead Revolver is and what it contributes to the timeline. It's just a western story that's been told by people about a gunslinger on a path to seek revenge on the western frontier that may or may not be loosely based on real events.
Unfortunately, the reason it isn't mentioned is because Rockstar confirmed Red Dead Revolver and Undead Nightmares are not considered canon to the Red Dead timeline, and therefore the rest of the timeline.
Still, I think it would have been nice to have them at least mentioned XD I still don't think they're part of the timeline either.@@JetroYT
While i dont necessarily agree on the co existing cities argument, someone mentioned that the real life counterparts like la and ny could be wild different in terms of landmarks, the location, but not vibes. I’m seeing this could be a comparison to newark and nyc, very different cities but close in proximity and vibes
Thing is though, whether real life cities exist in parallel in the Rockstar universe, is not a matter of "evidence" they either do or do not, and until Rockstar answer that question, "Evidence" is kind of pointless
All Max Paynes are in the same universe because in MP3, Max mentions how that *thing* with him and Mona in MP2 was a mistake
But i remember when franklin and lamar talked abou grove street which shows that there is a connection with 3d and hd universes
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I wish the 3D GTA universe was linked with the HD universe, and Rockstar had a better relationship with their voice actors, so they can come back for a short cutscene/cameo. Imagine seeing CJ meet franklin, or Niko being in a mission in GTA 6
Well allow me to complicate things:
As you said, the graphics is what allows to separate the universes.
I have a fan theory: GTA Definitive Edition allows for the old GTAs to have modern graphics allowing them to be capable of setting foot in the HD universe now.
I do have some head.
Cannon, things about this universe theory. Like, for example, in the HD univere. The redemption takes place in the past. Grand theft auto takes place in the present and ones like Max Payne and l.a noire Are actually movies in the HD universe. As they were not developed by rockstar but could still technically take place as entertainment
Even Rockstar table tennis has GTA locations, one of the venues is in liberty
I believe that "San Andreas", "Liberty City" or "Vice City" is something like criminal nickname for exact city irl.
Manhunt and Bully definitely take place in the 3D universe, not HD.
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@@JetroYT I feel like that Bully is in HD and not 3D. In GTA IV we can see Bullworth Academy on TV Show, not only that but we can also see the poster of the Sequel 2 Movie, and to find the first Sequel Movie we can find it in theatre in Bully. So Rockstar might confirmed that Bully is in HD and not 3D. If it's true that Bully is in HD Universe, then non-chronologically Bully is the first HD Universe game. I also don't think Max Payne 1 and 2 is in 3D Universe while Max Payne 3 is in HD universe. I feel like Max Payne Trilogy is a standalone game with their own universe and doesn't involved with GTA. I know there's a Hydra picture in Max Payne 3 which was a hint to GTA V having Hydra. I don't really know Max Payne, because I haven't play it. But I may be wrong about Max Payne
dont think 3d and hd are separate universes, in a dlc for gta online u do a mission with franklin and lamar to burn a weed plantation, and lamar CLEARLY says that it looked like a famous story that happened in san andreas in 1993 (referring to gta sa mission)@@Unbeknown7018
One of my favourite radio stations in GTA SA was WCTR; I remember hearing about Carcer City in a radio programme.I believe it was a programme in which people called and talked to the hosts because I think I remember something in the lines of the host arguing with the caller about Carcer City or asking the caller about it. Nevertheless I remember Carcer City being mentioned in San Andreas.
Carcer City is also one of the cities on the destinations board at the airport during the first cutscene of San Andreas.
What about the original Red Dead Revolver ? I mean I guess that just falls into the 3D universe, that was the time period it came out
Red Dead Revolver isn't considered canon, confirmed by Rockstar.
It would be cool if they all were in the same all universe but in different countries
Manhunt Is The Accurate One to the Lore Itself From GTA Universe
Everybody: RdR and GTA connected
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max payne 3 has a bobble head in a police office with a cluckin bell logo
The conclusion doesn't make sense because Max Payne and Red Dead are series that connect, both started 3D and continued in HD.
Call me stupid, but i want to belive that rdr and la noire are fictional movies,books in the gta universe, but manhunt only exits in the 3d universe doesn't mean carcer city doesn't exist in the hd universe.. i think that the 3d and hd universes are connected within cities,and some minor characters but i think gta 6 is gonna introuduce a lot more new and cool characters into the story and finally gonna go a good job with the online like create a timeline.
Red Dead Definitely takes place in the same universe as GTA.
The fact that gta advance takes place in the 3d universe despite it being a 2d game suggests that graphics really don't dictate in which universe these games fall under.
So would that mean similar events to max pain 1&2 happen in the 3D universe and vice-versa