The law that's impossible to break (probably)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Ruth Amos and Shawn Brown ('Kids Invent Stuff') and Dani Siller ('Escape This Podcast') face a question about a law with a dubious chance of being enacted.
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I also remember the logic of "if bigfoot is real, it's most definitely an endangered species and therefore illegal to hunt" coming up in a similar situation
That's exactly what I thought of when I heard the question.
I was just thinking it’s good for tourism
Exactly! As soon as the question was asked my head jumped to “Bigfoot…because if real, he’d be an endangered species”
Pretty sure the authorities responsible for Loch Ness had a similar train of thought at some point in history.
I wrote this one! Hi tom! Thanks for using it!
I didn't even know one could do that! Congratulations and thank you!
How do you submit questions?
I'm embarrassed to say that as much that I know about the north west, I didn't get it until just before Tom said abominable snowman. Once I got sasquatch though, it was a millisecond jump to know it was to protect people being misidentified and hurt.
@@MajoraZsame question here lol
@@YasuTaniina I got it once he said Abominable Snowman but before that I was thinking extinct animal that may not have been definitely extinct.
A kinda funnier and scarier tie in is for the filming of Return of the Jedi. The film crew had to keep people in hi Viz around Chewbacca for *exactly* that reason. The fear of some crazy popping off a major actor in a case of mistaken identity
I'm not sure he qualified as "a major actor". At that point, his entire career consisted of Chewbacca (where his face wasn't seen & voice unheard) and 4 unnamed characters.
@@jursamaj You still do not want him dead.
To quote Futurama: "Bigfoot is a crucial part of the ecosystem, if he exists. So let's all help keep Bigfoot possibly alive for future generations to enjoy unless he doesn't exist."
As soon as Ruth said "Panthers" at the end, I immeadialy had a flashback to when Will Seaward was on TechDiff 😂.
YES! ME TOO!!!!! Panthers?
Same.
Pantherrrrs?
I heard it and imitated how he said it to the best of my ability
Same! 😆
These are a surprising amount of fun when one knows the answer from the get-go. Tom's hedging was artful and necessary.
Yup, but he mentioned the abominable snowman too soon.
@@myladycasagrande863 I guess we both cringed at that moment!
@@davidrichter57 They missed the hint: because he was so sly tacking that comment on the end.
yes, indeed -- and he did a good job with the pronunciation of Skamania
As an "other" Washingtonian I was just dying, not just because it seemed obvious that it had to be hunting Bigfoot, but because I never, ever noticed that Skamania County was "Ska Mania" County.
As a lifetime resident of Washington State, I knew this one immediately.
Also, a lot of our town and county names are English, Spanish, or French attempts to spell Native American names.
"attempts to spell " often leading to modern pronunciations resembling the original very slightly or not at all.
It's a great shibboleth generator.
@@carlos_takeshi Visitors to Portland might ask how to pronounce the name of the river running through downtown; nobody ever thinks to ask how to pronounce the name of the street north of Burnside. (For UK folks and others: The Willamette River is pronounced "Will-AM-it," rhyming with "dammit," and Couch Street is pronounced Kootch.)
I imagine bigfoot families shaking hands with the locals authorities "Thanks humans, now we can live in peace"
Have you ever seen Harry and the Hendersons?
@@myladycasagrande863 Harry and the Hendersons was filmed in WA in the 80s, so I initially thought this law was to protect the actor playing Bigfoot while they were filming. Ended up being pretty close to correct with my guess.
I have a sort of relative who would 110% believe this and it makes me angry just thinking about it XD
Tom's response to "is it alive" gave it away for me.
My first thought was snipes, but I couldn't figure out why that wouldn't be frivolous
Aye. Got it straight away once he ummed and abuse about its aliveness
@@GoErikTheRed I had the exact same train of thought.
At that point, I thought he was talking about tornadoes. But that may be a more recent occurrence, people shooting at tornadoes, and it not being a silly law because those bullets can still do harm.
I can’t stop myself from hearing Will Seaward saying «Panthers?» anytime that animal is mentioned.
I can give some more context on the big cats thing! In 1976 the UK passed the 'Dangerous Wild Animals Act' which made it a legal requirement to obtain a license in order to keep dangerous wild animals such as big cats, which were trending among rich people at the time. Instead of going through the hassle of obtaining a license or donating their animals to sanctuaries, a lot of rich people simply killed their animals or released them to become someone else's problem, and that's how the UK ended up with a bunch of real-life big cat sightings.
This one I did not know was illegal, but I figured it out as soon as Tom read it out! I actually feel proud of myself from once 😂
I'm not from Washington but NorCal so I'm pretty familiar with the PNW. Didn't know about the law but as soon as he read it, it clicked. Gotta be Bigfoot because idiots hunting for Bigfoot have confirmation bias and might shoot a person by mistake.
Same. I knew right away, but not bc I already knew the law. I think they didn't get it as fast bc they're not from the US.
He mentioned my state, and I immediately thought "Oh! Bigfoot."
Lol exactly
Wasn’t breaking that law part of jet lag the game? I definitely have heard of it before.
It’s the HAI Crime Spree, prelude to jet lag
@@subways-sun4059I'm pretty sure it is season 1 of Jet Lag, it's just not on youtube
It was on Crime Spree, so called season 0 of Jet Lag. And the Jet Lag cast was on this podcast just last episode, imagine if they got this question 😄 Sam: "I actually broke this law..."
so have i
It’s essentially the pilot season of jet lag being crime spree only on nebula
You know that's a good question when someone gets on a tangent and goes "oh that'd be a good Tom Scott video"
5:54 As soon as she said “panthers?” all I could think about was Will Seaward on the Citation Needed episode about Stephens Island Wren.
My first thought it that it's something like "snipe hunting" where on a camping trip or something like that, you prank your friends into sitting in the woods at night making weird noises to attract a creature that doesn't exist, while you "flank around behind the creature and chase it towards them", but you really just go back to the camp site and leave them alone in the woods.
Edit: "abominable snowman" is closer. It's gotta be bigfoot.
I knew because of Half as interesting Crime Spree!
Yes! Me too. And just previous episode, Tom had the Jet Lag cast on here, imagine if they got this question 😄
At 5:55 she says "panthers, wasn't it," and my brain immediately fed me Will Seaward going "Paaantherrs?"
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I thought ‘Bigfoot’ right from the start! Yeyy! 😅
Same, literally the first second. Idk how it wasn't obvious
Spoiler alert!!!
@@goodsamaritan208 Oh yeah! Sorry!
Same, one of first times by immediate guess was right
Same here
I guessed the question referred to hunting in a metaphorical sense, i.e. the "snipe hunt".
That's the first thing that popped into my mind too :)
The county was founded in 1854 and derives its name from the Cascades Chinook word sk'mániak, meaning "swift waters". Welcome to Sailish Coast Indian words.
"Large felines that would occur in rural parts of Wales."
That's an odd way of putting that. :D
As someone who recently moved to Washington, that is the first weird fact I learned about my new state. Though I had learned that the reason was because if it turned out Sasquatch (or as the law put it, a large native primate) was real, it was certainly an endangered species. Actually I believe the law makes it illegal by automatically classifying it as an endangered species.
Tom, I have figured out the answer to all of these before the contestants, I know that isn't the point of the show, but I feel like I deserve a guest spot. From seeing you on OC to this, feels like you came full circle from contestant to host. Love this, please keep it going!
Pausing the video at 1:30 to make my guess... I actually have two possible guesses:
1) I know that in the state of Missouri, one could hunt Mormons until sometime in the 1970s... Yes, those Mormons, like the ones in Utah.
Or
2) Snipe. Now this is a weird one... When I was a kid, I wanted to go deer hunting with my dad and uncles. They told me that I couldn't deer hunt until I've bagged a snipe. So my uncle took me into the woods and lifted me onto a big tree branch, about 5 or 6 feet off the ground (higher than I would have jumped from at 10 years old, but within his reach), then he gave me a big stick and told me to beat the stick against the branch I was sitting on 2 or 3 times every 5 minutes or so to call the snipe in, then just wait for it... It might take a while. So then I asked him, what does a snipe look like? He said I'd know it when I see it, and when it comes to me, I should beat it to death with the stick, and then holler for him to come get me... He left me in that tree for 3 hours, and I'm beating the stick and watching for snipe the whole time. He finally comes back with my dad, laughing... They tell me there's no such thing as snipe, it was all a prank to keep me busy for a while, and a rite of passage that had been done to them. I now hold a degree in wildlife biology, and I know that there ARE, in fact, animals called snipe. Common snipe are small brown wading birds with skinny beaks.
Anyways, I have a 3 year old nephew that I can't wait to take snipe hunting, if it's still legal, in about 7 years.
I'm always sure everyone's worked it out pretty quickly and they're just skirting the answer and trying to naturally get there later for the sake of the show, cos some of these I get almost instantly once Tom gives some hint near the beginning - either I'm a genius or that's showbiz bby
No, we don't do that. If one person knows it, they say so straight away and let the others solve it. But we have spares available, so there's no need for people to artificially do this.
i’m literally so excited, this is the first and likely only time that i got the exact answer *immediately* after the question was done!
Now all I hear is Will Seaward saying 'Panthers?". Release the cobras!
Ha, as someone who has lived in Washington all my life, I got this one instantly. Though I don't think I even knew that the area was home to a lot of bigfoot "sightings" until somewhat recently.
I got this one straight away! I love that feeling.
Every Crime Spree fan: I KNOW!
Aka Season 0 of Jetlag The Game 😅
Let's see who gets the reference, at 5:55 I could not help myself not hear Will Seaward in my head
Someone thinking about some rare mythical living being that hides from humanity in the forests of the us, and going "Oh cool, *I'm going to kill it!"* really stretches my belief in the goodness of humanity. Like, really, imagine your first thought when you hear about another living creature, that you are obviously fascinated with so it's not like you have a vendetta against them, being about how much cruelty you can inflict on them.
I figured it out at 1:30. Being from the States helped, as well as the fact I've watched dozens of "horror movies" about this creature and certain geological locations are more frequently used than others.
Weirdly, I knew this immediately. Weird because I have no idea why. Like a memory I didn't know I had.
For the first time on these, I guessed the answer before the question had even finished. :D
5:55 And a voice rumbled down from on high: "Panthers?"
I got it immediately because of the video's title.
They weren't wrong with robots and AI because in Doctor Who, the abominable snowman is both.
In the American TV show The Six Million Dollar Man, Bigfoot was an extraterrestrial robot.
5:00 but there is a orangutang in Oxfordshire , Jeremey Clarkson.
"Roaming the area with guns, shooting at things". Yep, that's 'Murica!
The amount of times I watch these videos and my mind jumps to the answer within seconds: this one I'd've probably asked one question, just to clarify, "Are we talking about Washington state rather than DC?"
But, if I ever got the chance to take part, it would be filled with all of those questions that make me go, "Huh?"
I was going to ask does this have something in common with a professional sports player.
Still super vague but if you know what they are going for then you get it.
It's like one I watched the other day, talking about a photograph of a cubic magnet surrounded by iron filings, my brain jumped straight from cubic magnet to Mecca. The only clarification I'd've wanted was the name of the photographer again, to see if it suggested they might be Islamic.
I'm pretty sure that DC doesn't have multiple counties. It's basically a 10mile square with the southern side cut off by the Potomac river.
Does DC have more than 1 county? I didnt think it had a county at all.
@@MtVesuvius The question in the video is talking about Washington the US State, not Washington DC, I think everyone involved was British and so a lot of us automatically assume they're talking about the US Capitol by default.
And now I'm thinking of a meme where Bilbo Baggins is mentioning everyone at his birthday party: "Yetis! Sasquatches! Bigfoots!" ... and someone interrupts him, "Big Feet!"
If anything it is also an endangered species, which also makes it a good idea to outlaw.
5:54 Will Seaward pops his head from inside a cabinet. "Panthers?"
I guessed it right before Tom finished reading it! I got it 100% right I can’t believe it, this will never happen again in my life
No Tom, it was Easter eggs to avoid the unfound eggs from feeding feral animals 😂
The first thing I thought about was Bigfoot... what's silly to hunt? A cryptid. I'm surprised it took them that long to get there.
Got that one right away! 🙌
Skamania County - scary place: possible Sasquatch, plus a very real active volcano!
i grew up very close to skamania county, i had friends that lived in that county, so i visited it rather frequently.
Within the first 2 minutes I knew the answer, thanks HAI's Crime Spree!
the moment Tom hesitated when asked if it were alive gave it away for me
Honestly I heard the question and my first instinct was "Snipe hunt?"
I’ve never gotten one of these before and was very excited to get this one immediately!
See, I knew the law almost immediately, but I thought the logic was "if it exists, we PROBABLY dont wanna make it extinct"
Can't help but imagine Will Seaward (The Mouth From The South) stalking the Welch woods hunting "Panthers?" 👀
From Oregon, figured it out at the 3 minute mark. 😂
I was not expecting the tale of Ken Scrap's Panthers (the Beast of Bont) to come up in this video! I live very near that area and the story is common knowledge here. Basically in the summer(?) Of 1976 some laws were passed about needing certain permits or licences to have some exotic (or maybe dangerous?) animals, and a lot of people who already owned these animals either didnt want the effort or didnt want the expence of registering, so they just.... Released the animals out into whatever wildnerness was nearest.
Killing a Sasquatch in British Columbia is illegal also.
As a Washingtonian, I can promise you there are still idiots here that are drunk in the woods trying to hunt bigfoot.
It's really interesting, I had a hunch that they were Hunting Eggs during Easter because it might be a way for people to spread drugs during the 70's. Then, my first hunch was fortified when Tom kinda dread about the Egg being alive or not.
It rains more in England then it does in Washington!!!
There are extremely dry parts of the state, and there's also a rainforest on the Olympic peninsula. There are areas there that get 10 feet or more of rain a year, more than three meters.
my thought upon first hearing the question is: bigfoot, which isnt silly because an incident where a person was mistaken for a bigfoot
A lot of times I'm trailing along with the contestants, but I knew this one instantly. Good question, though.
I got this one almost immediately, lol.
At 3.35 Shawn drinks out of a unicorn mug - maybe he could have had unicorn as his first guess as also maybe/maybe not real...
I found out so recently that mythical big cat sightings in Australia might very well have been real, circuses illegally disposing of animals by setting them free in the bush was absolutely possible.
There's the opposite of "hunters being mistaken as bigfoot being all camo'd and ghillied up and shot instead." There's the plentiful cases of the "urban explorer" or City Slicker as they're widely known around a lot of the more rugged part of the US. Basically the kind of people who think rough camping involves a fire and having a barbaric time camping means there wasn't a generator there to power their projector for their movies or charge their phones. The kind of people who don't take nature seriously, goes out to Death Valley with a mini water bottle to hike thinking that is perfectly fine, and later is the subject of a search and rescue mission. There are plenty of cryptozoologists who are outdoor adapted and trained, but there's plenty who are the "sit in an office researching papers and creating theories" type of person. They are the kind of people who think they'll go stake out an area that they might find bigfoot in and end up stranding themselves. At which point if you have several cases of City Slickers stranding themselves, SAR teams (Search and Rescue) are spread thinly and other cases that are a bit more legit (in the sense that they've gone missing because they fell down a cliff or whatever instead of going out searching for something that may or may not exist) are backburnered.
You also would have several cases of claims of bigfoot sightings when in reality it could easily be a grizzly or a moose. When news of a sighting spreads then more imbeciles flock to the scene and wild animals really don't tolerate invasive species like humans if they can help it.
Also wasn't the UK trying to keep big cats out of it's borders throughout history? Like they were really not having any of those big cats around in the 1940's. (wink wink)
I've lived my whole life in the PNW, so from the first twenty seconds into this video, I was silently screaming Sasquatch in my mind.
I thought the answer would have been it was protection for an endangered species that has now gone extinct! Hearing what the real law is, i'm sure that fursuiters will be happy about it.
I live in California (just down the coast from Washington state... about 1100 miles or 1800 km) and the first thing I thought of was Big Foot. I've likely learned over my many years that Washington state is Big Foot country, so much so that I can't think of anything else you would actually hunt up there!
I got this one right at the start.
For the first time so far.
Tom's face on "snowman" !
For the first time, I guessed this one within 90 seconds.
They’ve found big cat DNA on a carcass recently in the UK :D
I would think bigfoot is as well known in UK as loch ness monster is in US. But considering how long they took to figure out, I’m guessing it’s not as popular.
As an Australian who knows plenty about Bigfoot, I don't know where he lives. By "where", I mean "where geographically", not "what biomes does he favour".
I know big foot is from the US but I would not be able to say it's from Washington
Bigfoot is from an old shitty sitcom, really.
They got there pretty fast once they caught onto it being a cryptid. And it would be a bit like "Inverness passed a law making it illegal do a certain type of fishing. why?"
I don’t think Washington state helped. It was “hunting” and “silly” that immediately made me think of Bigfoot. If the clue was something about a silly law involving fishing in the waters of Scotland. I think I would have guessed Loch Ness monster before AI robots. But I could be wrong and maybe it would have taken me hours to figure out.
Also, Cait Sith [cross-breed of domestic and Scottish wild cat] are a thing in the UK
Was anyone not yelling "Bigfoot!" for the entire duration.
Who learned about this from HAI’s Crime Spree, exclusively on Nebula?
Tom: "Here's a lateral thinking question about not hunting things"
Shawn: "I'm a vegan"
“With experience hunting”, seems relevant
Like, if he didn’t have that experience it would have been fairly out of place, sure
What a surprise,the vegan had to bring up the fact they are vegan
I live in Washington... I have no idea where Skamania County is. But yeah. I've heard about laws that outlaw hunting different criptids before. And its one part human endangerment, one part possibly rare or unidentified species being killed before they're studyed or you know, it's just an endangered species so people aren't familiar with them and killing them is... Not good.
It's northeast of Portland; Mount St Helens is there. But damn little else is, so hardly anyone goes there.
I knew this one immediately from HAI Crime Spree. One of the funniest moments.
So it's not illegal to shoot at vaguely human shaped things in the distance, as long you didn't think it was Bigfoot.
As soon as he said the name of the place I knew what it was.
Skamania sounds like a county in which people are obsessed with trumpet music.
Washington state gave me a Twilight association. Forbidden to hunt vampires and werewolves. Purely in a fictional sense of course, as Twilight didn't exist yet.
Oooh, oooh! I knew this one immediately!
And Tom pronounced it roughly correct the very first time - "SKUH-mania"
Man! I can’t believe it took so long to get there.
Considering that this was in 1969 and Night of the Living Dead came out in 1968 I'm positively shocked that none of them tried "zombies", especially after Tom wasn't sure what to answer when asked if it was alive. The reason why it wouldn't be silly would be, really, the same reason for the actual answer.
5:54
(In Will Seaward's voice) *Panthers~?*
Tom: Does [rich people's illegal exotic pet big cats getting into the wild] happen a lot?
This video came out at around the time West-Flanders, that notoriously not-Subsaharan area, had at least two seperate serval sightings (and live captures) in the news, one of them the third one in the same city in five years, suggesting someone keeps buying a new one whenever the previous one breaks out.
I'm unexpectedly good at this game. I should become internet famous just to be in it.
My first thought was whales, but that's Oklahoma.
I had the answer before Tom finished reading the clue the first time. Lol.
The problem with watching lots of Tom Scott videos and someone saying Panthers in this one is it's immediately took me back to that Will Seaward episode of Citation Needed
XD I literally just watched a "Detroit: Become Human" video and Tom is like "well it's not exactly alive" I'm like "what did they make it illegal to hunt Androids?"