Vlog 3: checking the tinted windows & dealing with paperwork (Toyota Proace camper conversion)
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- An episode in which not a lot happens but I have a look at the first lot of products to have arrived for my campervan conversion (being tinted side windows, a can of WD40 degreaser and some self-adhesive sound-deadening mats).
I then ponder what it takes to re-register a panel van as a camper van with the DVLA and consider the issue of insurance.
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5 degrees Celsius 😱 In Scotland we call that Summertime 😔.
Great video David matey, really enjoying them 👍👍👍
Tell that to the adhesive! :-)
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Thank you
Once I figured this out I’ve been forcing myself to watch all the adds. On this and cruising the cut, If I keep buying stuff I’m going to have to start my own vlog to pay for it. 😳🙄
Only the third episode in and you have already made a serious error. Plans should always be drawn up on the BACK of an envelope and not the front as that is the place for parts inventory! Seriously though, it's great to see you presenting yet another interesting and humorous channel, many thanks.
Hahaha oops!
"This is faintly nervewracking," then it goes into high-speed and I nearly fall out of my chair! 🤣
I still very much enjoy your episode titles. You have a gift.
That was a nice fireside chat there at the end.
This is excellent DIY, take a window, unwrap it, look at both sides then sit next to fire in the boat. Brilliant stuff. Next, please!
Haha, yep. I have a feeling this is going to take a while...
lol, its better to take your time then rush though
Those are not official plans unless they are drawn on a napkin while having a beverage at a local pub.
If you go to B&Q or Wickes and get a pair of vacuum pads you'll find it much easier to handle the glass panels. Once finished with they are ideal for holing side panels of awnings etc.
Yeah, I think I will. Too easy to slip if just holding the glass by the edges!
Other vacuum pad suppliers are available. Oh! Sorry, I forgot, you're nor not on the Beeb now ;-)
Got to love the insurances ^^ you are lucky to live in UK with your campervan project. Cars and anything with motors is unbelievably expensive here in DK. You need to pay registration fees when buying a new car of the same amount the car costs. It is ridiculous. If you need to replace the engine of the car, the car needs again a new registration.... they are absolutely crazy... maybe this is why there are so many rust buckets on the roads....🤔
Ouch!! That's crazy - doubling the price of the car?!! Wow.
I have enjoyed "cruising the cut" and really happy to see you do this project Vlog. Your delivery is hilarious 😂 and you've already had me in stitches. What I really like is you attention to detail. This is gonna be great. No pressure 😏
Thank you. It's all on hold now until after Christmas due to ice and snow and because RUclips is being very tardy in "monetising" this entire channel (and I do need that little income from the ads). Cheers
Your vlogs are just pleasantly enjoyable, even though I have no plans to convert a van or buy a canal boat or move to England.
rightsideup I rather agree!
Hi... Enjoying your new blogs. As regards your no claims bonus the Insurance people are very clever you cannot use your no claims on your car for your van, but if your where to claim on your van it will effect your claims on your car and vice versa. I had this when my car was stolen and my motorcycle insurance doubled the following year.
Ooooooh, that's interesting to know. Crikey.
If you were closer (by an ocean....) when you did this, I'd happily have let you use my shop for installing your windows and insulation. Not skipping ahead much, going to try and watch these in order as they were posted.
I have absolutely no interest in motor vehicles let alone refitting a van but I do so love your blogs especially your narration as you move along. Keep them coming. Thanks. Can’t wait to see the finished product.👍🚐
Thanks Clare, much appreciated. I can't wait either (depending on how it goes!)
....detoured over here after Cruising the cut #103
Another great video David. I’m not sure if I’m too late, but a good tip would be to soak the tubes of window adhesive in hot water before you start. When I did my windows, I needed a bionic grip to squeeze the thick gunge out of the tubes, but when you heat the tubes up, it comes out much easier.
Also, when you come to insure your van next year, A-plan do a “modified commercial van policy,” that will cover your motorhome for commercial use as well.
Thanks; useful to know. I haven't done the windows yet, it's been too cold for the adhesive (and doesn't look like it's getting any better)
Watched all your narrow boat videos and thought that’s it canal it is ! now watching this camper conversion , now I’m bloody confused which way do I go , so I hope you haven’t got a hgv licence and start travelling up and down the motorway and living in the back of one ! No but seriously great videos and fantastic watching , good luck. and keep up the good work 👍
Haha, I've got one of the old licences that means I can drive 7.5 ton lorries, if I remember correctly :-) Thank you, glad you like them.
Having to complete in 180 days to save on insurance is a good incentive David.
Absolutely
I customized a 1977 Dodge Tradesman 100 van a number of years ago. I used the aluminized bubble wrap as wall insulation at the time. It worked well keeping the noise down. As far as warmth there were a couple issues, The front heater Dodge used really wasn't strong enough to heat the entire van unless it sat parked and running for about an hour. Air movement in the van was surprising, I would drive about 12 miles to New London Ct, stop at a traffic light and you could feel the cold air from the back of the van rush forward and the warm air disappear up and back. The only other issue I had with the van was winter. You need to create a vapor barrier in the roof. I used stick on foam insulation and then covered the roof with cut sheets of linoleum.Finished it looked great accented the wall carpeting. I was riding around in Providence Rhode Island one night in a winter storm. The heat was on but the snow was building up on the roof. Then my third passenger (riding in the back) started complaining of rain. Seems snow on a roof and heat inside creates ceiling condensation..ie "Hey !!! It's Raining in Here!!!"
5° celsius.....arctic?....lol....you kill me David. Great video
I was the lady that was earwigging when you was talking to Theo, I gate crashed into listening about vans as I'm a new comer!😀
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A great video once again. The sound dampening is nice, it will provide a bit of a proof against condensation between the cold sheet metal and the warmer insulation, that is good.
The windows you bought are probably not insulated. You should think about getting/making good insulating drapes for them. Two layers of nonwoven cloth work wonders in experience. We have a similar curtain between the living area and the cab. It was nice and toasty inside, I had to remove ice from the window`s insides at times.
No, they're not insulated. I will have thick curtains plus some boards to insulate the windows at night.
On the canal 8 months of the year and then tootle off to warmer climes/ more interesting places for the winter. Visit the cultural centres of Europe (sans 'tourists')... Perhaps take in a week or two of skiing in The Alps... Mosey on down to the Med.
Then again, use the campervan when the canals are rammed in summer and explore all that These Islands, unconnected by canals, have to offer. Aaah, that's the life!
I hope so!
Smart move to have a Terra Firma option for travel and accom, one never knows. Will watch with interest. Your busy little heat fan reminds me to tell you I managed to get one eventually after several refusals at small dealers, what we call a Big Box store for $79 (.585p/$) Son very happy with free air circulation on his slow combustion.
Excellent; glad you found one. Cheers!
I know its early but I think Vandemonium is coming up with better puns than Cruising the Cut.
They'll get worse :-)
Hi there, the wiring in the back is for towbar connections. The small cables go to the can bus control and the thick red wire goes directly to the battery compartment. Under the live battery connection there is a large " bus bar". The end of the red cable should be floating around in there somewhere. That's if it's the same as my Citroen of course. Keep up the good work, I'll be starting mine when the weather gets better.
Hi Richard. Thanks for this. I'm very interested in this information but a bit confused. I saw (on the nearside) a multi-pin connector at the back corner with lots of thin wires in it but no sign of any thick red wire (and certainly I hope it's not floating if it's connected to the battery +ve!). It should be identical to your Citroen if they're the same era (mine's 2013)
Hi there the multi pin connecter is to join in for tow bar wiring. Try the towbar wiring diagram on pf jones website. If your not fitting a towbar ( as I have) you can just stash the wires complete with the plug out of the way. On the Citroen version they're just left loose behind the panel anyway. There should also be a thick cable (mines red) on its own in a separate plug. This is a battery fed aux live, apparently for things like a hoist ect. It's a 30a supply so may come in useful. I hope this helps. Cheers for now ,Richard
If you've no thick wire don't worry about it but if you find one lurking about the other end isn't connected it's just there hanging about in the battery box with a fuse terminal on the end ready to connect to the live bus bar. Hope this clears things up a bit. Cheers
Hello Richard. Thank you for that detailed reply. Are we both talking about the same thing though, about half way up the nearside upright corner "strut", behind where the wheel wrench is hung? I'm not planning on a towbar but as you say the 30A supply wire could come in handy so I'd like to pin this down. Mind you, I've smothered it all in loft insulation now!
The easiest way to tell if you have the 30a supply is to check in the battery compartment. If it's the same as mine you need to disconnect the battery (neg first ) and lift the pos terminal upwards. This should reveal a bar with a row of male spade terminals on it. Somewhere in there possibly connected to one of the terminals should be the 30a supply if it's there that's great it just needs a large size fuse. If it's no where to be seen then at least you've found where you can take a direct supply from your battery. Just need to remember it's not part of the really annoying energy save mode so flat battery a possibility I just need to say, mines a Citroen so it may all be different so for you project I might be blathering on for nothing. Sometimes with these multi brand efforts it's only the shell that's the same and nothing else much, not just a "badging" exercise. Good look with your project I'll keep watching with interest. Roll on the warm weather Cheers
Great series. The Windows will appear black when on the van. If you put a bright light on inside you'll see inside but otherwise it will give you what you're looking for.
Good point, cheers
On a bright sunny day windows on opposing sides of the van with 70% tint will probably allow enough light penetration to be able to see in, but no problem you could easily fit limo tint over the 70%...i only say this as tinting is part of what I do for a living☺👍
Cheers Jon. I'll wait and see how they do. There'll be curtains over them for nighttime as well, of course.
Excellent David, a nice little project you've got going there.
I hope so, I've enjoyed even the little bit I've done so far :-)
It's mainly to stop the tinny vibrations on the thin body work and well worth fitting, great vid thanks for sharing
Indeed, and it seems to work (see vlog 4, just uploaded). Cheers
I've seen auto glass installers use large suction cups to handle the window as it provides a good grip for placement. You might want to test this with some cheep glass first. If the cups are to wet they will slide off the glass.
Cheers, yes I'll be using suction cups (carefully!)
Love the sound effects LOL LOL LOL.
Stunned at your bravery. Keep going
This will be interesting to see how you cut the holes in the van for the windows, and how you hold the glass against the van while the glue sets. I know you're up to it David!!
I shall be interested to see how I do it too!
We've literally just coated our van with Silent Coat, after using it for a year without it and just insulation. I was sceptical at first, but after doing it all I wish we'd done it a year ago! Made such a difference :) can't wait to see your progress!
Ah, well that is very interesting and useful to hear, thank you. Glad I'm doing it now. Cheers :-)
Hi David if your doing a van conversion this gentleman is very knowledgable, this a link to his insulation video for example
Hi; thanks, yes I've already been watching and chatting with Greg - he really does know his stuff, I agree!
to cut out the panels for window fitting you can buy a tool called a drill bit nibbler...it attcaches to your drill and it cuts the metal with ease...you can use a jigsaw but make sure you use masking tape around the cut lines as not to scrath the rest of the door
I'm just going to use the jigsaw. Cheers
Definitely didn't disappoint and nor did some of the comments -- very funny. The information on insurance and change of use was good too. Cheers.
Cheers Stephen
Have you tried the vlog Vanlifetv, he shows how he put a window into his van a Vauxhall mercado I think it is. Might give you some good hints.
I think I've watched them all! Cheers :-)
Movano x
The TINTinnabulation and the rolling and the tolling of the van, van, van. -Edgar Allen Tow
Interesting information about the insurance and having to complete the conversion within 180 days, and provide evidence. Perhaps you should send them a link to this channel! 🤣
I might just do that!
my insurance for 58 plate lwb Peugeot expert version campervan £108 fully comp
I just love the way you work, David. Just like I would do. Maybe thats not good. DIY forever!!
Well Dave, l wish you well on your new venture and whilst l note that the commentary is generally around 4 MPH, The same as the narrowboat l notice that on dry land the speed of the commentary does accelerate from time to time to at least 30 MPH, hopefully this will sort itself out as the differential between water life catches up with land life !!!!!!!!!!!.
Thank you
When you held that first window up in front of you, I immediately thought "What a pane!".
There's going to be a "pane" pun somewhere in the fitting vlog, I'm sure.
I'm sure there will be. Once you cut a hole in that entirely good van metal and insert the gasket and prep the area, you will be ready to apply the glue. That could get sticky, and if you drop that pane, you'd be shattered. Yes, plenty of room to have 'pun' with language.
Hi , Loved the vlog, had me laughing at the sound it makes when you speed the video up. So thanks for the laugh as well.
:-)
Ha! There's the Hammerite again. Well, if it works on a narrow boat it will probably do well on car... ;)
I know what your going through w the windows -- I had to pull out and reseal the front window in my ford one ton van -- the front screen in it is 5.5 ftt wide and 3 ft high --- big chunk of glass --- the goo holding the window had all turned loose - the glass was just sitting in the opening ---- used glass suction cups from work to hold it and had to go over the rust in the channel w Ospho , wire wheels and scrapers - then letting the letting the rustoleun paint dry for 3 days ----- 4 yrs later it's still dry and tight --- a better job than the factory did -- same here w the insurance ----- all pickup trucks and vans in california are commercial vehicles ----- unless you jump through some hoops ---- I added extra seats in the back and changed to passanger - the lic fee went from $250 to $80 / yr .. cheers
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Big job! That's quite the saving on the insurance, wow.
that's just the DMV license plate yearly fee --- the Insurance dropped 30% yearly --
Hi David. Really pulling for you to find or be given some garage space so your windows can go in. Maybe an exchange of a weekend or day trip in spring on the narrowboat with you at the helm of course for use of a garage to fit the windows. You'll come up with something. Here in the states it's usually the opposite with the registration and insurance. Cheaper to keep it classified as a van. Funny old world. Onward and upward.😉
I'm going to have to do something, we've got a week of subzero overnight temps coming up and daytime highs of just 3C :-(
Thanks for another very well presented and interesting video.
Best Of Luck on the conversion.
I once tried spray foam for sound damping and insulation before hearing about the stick on stuff. It was one hell of a mess, I think you made the right decision here
Ta. Decisions are still being made, there will be some spray as you will see in later vlogs.
I wouldn't put a heater inside on a cold day when your using adhesive to bond insulation. You may get moist air condensing on the van walls. Not a good thing.
OK, cheers
Thx David..look forward to seeing the windows installed
So do I!!
Tinted love! Brilliant! Such an interesting vlog. I’d never considered the paperwork side of things. There’s so much to go into isn’t there!
Loads!
Mandy Smith - Its because white van men were just putting a rock and roll type of bed in their vans but still using them for work purposes but getting insurance at half price, sending all the photos in to the DVLA of the work done to convert it convinces the DVLA that you are a serious camper.
Excellent info on the insurance, thank you for that. Look forward to your next vlog. Jay ;-)
Great! Cheers
Progress! Those windows look tricky, though...extra good luck with that installation.
I think I need to buy a couple of sucker-handle things to hold the glass!
Oh, that's a good idea! You might also be able to rent them from a tool rental place, if you have those in the UK.
Best of luck fitting the windows.👍
Thank you! I believe I shall need it :-)
Much like here in the states, each one of course having their say on your conversion. I'm in the process of changing a Lorry into a pickup truck, for towing my fifth wheel camper. For much the same reasons.
Sounds like a substantial job
Excellent stuff. I also watch your boat vlogs. There is great sense in having a livaboard boat and a small camper rather than a car. I am currently doing a kitchen (galley) rebuild on my boat and have decided to go for a diesel cooker which also doubles as a heater with an air blower (Wallas) as I really don't like using gas for safety reasons - also means reducing the different types of fuel needed. I noticed that the DVLA screenshot stated that you had to have a fixed cooker which was either gas or electric. Disallowing a diesel cooker would be a show-stopper for me if I get rid of the car and convert a van. I look forward to seeing how you get on.
I hadn't noticed the DVLA requirement for gas/electric! Interesting. Might be worth querying with them. I think the only trouble with the diesel stoves is that they takes ages to heat up. Do you watch HughTube - he installed a diesel stove and did some experiments with it.
I will have a look at Hugh Tube. I get a lot of boat ideas from van conversions. Thanks.
If you don't tell them they won't know :) basically they just want to know it's a motorhome/camper and looks like one - at one point they became obsessive about the "looks like one" but are now more rational - people also obsess about the bed being at least 6ft, but they don't measure it. Have a look at some of the example letters/photos people have posted on the web.
We were super chuffed when our Van sailed through reclassification. Second to getting our British Passports 😃🙄
No longer could we be sent packing for having a commercial vehicle or being a legal alien 😎🤙 🇿🇦 🇬🇧
Woohoo!
Very useful information regarding insurance and other documentation 👍🏼
Living the life well on you mate sorry but have you sold your boat are have I missed a couple of videos your an inspiration to people who went to do what your doing keep them going and travel safe
Not sold the boat, this was a project last winter while I was moored.
Almost had a heartattack at 3:22
Exactly why I am converting my minibus! Cheaper insurance!
It seems insurance companies are the same world wide, because the majority of vans were commercial when I had mine that was the insurance rate and it was horrendous. I have not looked at it since the passenger vans took off though ?
Famous VERY last words of a DIY enthusiast are, "Hold my beer and watch this!"
Thanks a lot! ... Now I can't get that 80s song, 'Tainted Love' out of my old noggin! lol.
It's a great song.
Will look good with the windows in I fitted mine on my vw caddy easy enough job.
Good to hear! Cheers
I’d be less worried about scratching the windows but horrified about drilling the holes for them in the van. Thanks for the update.
It will be a touch nerve wracking but I've watched lots of RUclips videos about it so what could possibly go wrong?!
Aaarrrgh,David! Do not tempt fate by saying what could possibly go wrong!!! Fingers crossed!
Getting there bro.
Haha, very slowly!
Does it help you out when we"like" your vlogs ? I occasionally forget to. You mentioned RUclips slow in paying, that's why I ask.
Also , I've noticed a few other channels have mentioned the same thing about not getting paid.
Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
It helps RUclips to know the video is liked and therefore they are more likely to promote it. It doesn't make a difference as regards money. And yes, RUclips are being very tardy about enabling monetisation on the channel (not the individual videos - the entire channel is awaiting their approval!). Merry Christmas.
The biggest reason there is a difference in insuring a van versus a camper, or motor caravan is "risk". As a commercial or delivery van, there is an assumed increased risk, due to it being used daily and possibly by people who are not the registered owner. The motor caravan is assumed to be lower risk as it may be driven occasionally and mostly by the registered owner.
Decided to come check this channel out from Cruising the Cut. You have pleasing way as a presenter.
OK, good info. Ta
Dealing with the insurance company this month I think I detected a qualifying question; 'Are you VAT registered?' We aren't so there was no problem or further questions.
Must not scroll ahead to see finished product 😳
SAME 💪🏻
I did the same for T5 when I had it, one thing you said which wasn't right, the table can be removable (as part of the list of minimum features) plus if it wasn't you wouldn't be able to have a bed because the table would be in the way...
We're both right - the table base must be fixed into the body of the van even if the flat part of the table itself can be removed.
I didn't realise insurance for campervans was so cheap, I'm tempted to get my own now
Usually very limited milage though. I was allowed to do max 7000 a year in mine.
Unlike Insurance Company's, Dick Turpin wore a mask!
Hahahaha, true!
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Yes Aviva take car no claims in a car into account unofficially
Arctic? Im freezing my bum off at minus 10 here in Norway. Cmon :)
I asked the adhesives I need to use and they definitely said +5 is very cold ;-)
We transferred our no claims with no bother at all. RAC as well!
I didn't want it transferred as such though, I've still got the car for popping to Tesco etc
Transfer was perhaps the wrong word. But we have full no claims on the car and the motorhome.
they call it mirroring...usually they can do it if you threaten to get other quotes : )
They did take my car NC into account but needed proof. It's not a "proper" van no claims though; I await to see if it gets added onto the renewal next year!
brilliant i well impressed , thanks for making
Ta
The speed limit increases if you’re hauling a bed vs packages? That is hurting my brain.
Mad, isn't it?
@@Vandemonium very.
Like here in Germany, registered as panel van, you can't take over you percentage from the car insurance, you will start on novice-driver-level...
Fortunately, the standing height regulation has fallen, but i heard rumours that the m² of the floor can decide if your converted van would be registered as camper...
Yes the weather keeps me mostly from starting my Tourneo conversion, too wet, too cold...hope you will find a heated place for cheap to glue in your shiny windows!
They are the standard ones from toyota? Why no insulated campervan windows?
Have fun& thx for the vid!
Not Toyota windows, they're from a camper specialist. Most of the self-converted vans here seem to use this type of bonded window; only when you go up a size to Ducatos and large Transits do people spend the money on "campervan" windows.
Guess it depends on what you plan to do in the van
Might the cutting of apertures to accommodate windows compromise the structural integrity of the body and weaken it? As always I enjoy your vlogs, whether on land, water or - very occasionally - in the air. Go well.
No; it's a very common practice and there are versions of the van available from Toyota that already have windows in place. Plus I'm only putting windows in the doors, not the actual van side. Cheers.
The structural integrity of the roof is maintained by the front, center and rear interior corner pillars. The sheet metal merely keeps the weather out.
Ah yes... the way I cut/glue/"fix" things... using the T-LAR principle.... That Looks About Right...
From the angle of the sun, it looks quite early in the morning. Do you do 8 a.m. after all? ;-)
I try not to. This was mid-afternoon!
Windows yes but insulation no the M3 will still set in as low as 5*c tried and tested mate.
Sorry, I didn't understand that.
Man, I thought the insurance vermin are vicious in my state (US) with price gouging. They got nothing on the UK. OUCH!
We love Obvious Van Tips! ;-)
That's good because I suspect there may be plenty more!
First the boat, and now the van. Perhaps you can be the first person in the world to fit out and live in a hot air balloon.:)
That sounds like fun :-)
Ah paper work, the savior of the world.
As my neighbour found out when fitting glass to his van doors, best seek professional to do the job as well worth the expense because getting it wrong will cost more in time and money.
That defeats the entire point of the project which is to have a go at it myself (knowing and understanding and fully aware that I might cock it up). If it's a disaster then I've learned how not to do it.
Vandemonium ah, right sorry I didn't realise it was that type of project. Now I think of it you're exactly right as you'll never learn if you don't try and will gain knowledge even if it does go t#ts up 😉 best of luck. As I watch the end credits of your vlogs on CtC listening to that very pleasant tune I'm reminded of the late great Jack Hargreaves on Out Of Town I watched as a kid on Southern TV. Happy days.
I don't know that show. Yes, this is all about me having a go, come what may.
John Lane - He was also on How! which was broadcast nationwide - certainly in Yorkshire
Thank you for another great vlog! How are you going to feel when you actually have to cut the holes in the van for you new windows? I’d be shaking!
I hope i won't be shaking, that won't help!!
Sometimes I feel, Iv'e got to, runaway, Iv'e got to, get away!
Haha, exactly
hi yes it's me bob in derby video 8/10
Get the g&t ready, that's a lot of work in 180 days.
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You didn’t mention VAT. I understand that you are required to pay this once you add windows to the loadspace as this converts the vehicle from commercial to private. Is this true please?
VAT is irrelevant. The van was privately owned from the outset when I bought it (used)
Customer - Um.. I don't think you've fitted the front door correct
Builder - oh I dunno...that's about right.
👍 thanks again ! 🤗😂