3:47:21 the Free People's had a chance to win by a miltary victory. Use an elven Ring to take Moria and Dol Guldur. The Shadow only had a Muster left and since those places were strongholds they could have only just attacked Moria but not take it.
2:25:32 you didn't have to move the fellowship: rulebook page 38 The actual position of the Fellowship is determined only if one of two things happen: 1) The Free Peoples player decides to declare the position of the Fellowship, or 2) A Hunt for the Ring is successful and reveals the Fellowship. 2:20:01 The Tile you Drew didn't have a reveal icon
Nice play. Be good to see you do more. WOW though the Free People player unfortunately missed an easy military victory at 3:47:40. They had elven units next to Moria, and north units next to Dul Guldur. Both were at war. They had 1 die left and 3 rings. Using a ring to move both armies into the empty Sauron strongholds would have been the 4 points for the victory. The Shadow player couldnt have done anything about it as they only had 1 die left, so even attacking Moria back with the adjacent army would have just started a siege and the round would have ended there! You did spot this though from comment in the stream chat.. I spotted some rule issues for you on top of what others have said to help for future games... 1) At 1:23:00 the Shadow player recruited 2 Nazgul directly into armies on the board that weren't in strongholds. They must be recruited into Sauron strongholds. You would have had to move them after to the armies. The same happened around 1:40:00. 2) At 1:26:00 the Free People player did not activate Gondor when Strider became Aragon. This didn't really matter though as the very next Shadow action was to attack Gondor and activate them anyway. 3) At 2:00:56 the Shadow player re-rolled and got a 4, and assumed it was a hit because of the combat card played. However that combat card only added +1 to the "combat roll". It did not count for the "leader roll". This hit should not have been applied. 4) At 2:26:15 you as others have said, you did incorrectly move the fellowship from the previous 3 hunt tile. 5) At 3:07:13 the Shadow player had to discard one character card and one army card to remove the "A Power Too Great" card in play. This might not have been a mistake, but it caught me out too so thought id say. But the "army" card is specific to a card from the "Strategy" deck that has an army symbol in it. The Strategy deck has cards with muster symbols as well as army symbols. Muster cards from the strategy deck would not have been legal here.
Thank you so much for the detailed comment I really appreciate that for myself as well as anyone watching in the future. We do plan to do more this is a great game. Thanks for watching!
You forgot a rule - If the Free Peoples/Sauron player conducts their entire round in the voice of Gandalf/Saruman they can claim a single re-roll the next turn.
not all hunt tiles are returned to the cup on the mordor track, only eye tiles that were drawn before and any tiles from played action cards, i.e. if a hunt was succesful and you draw a 3 tile it doesnt return later to the cup once the fellowship goes on the mordor track
You ruined my Friday night and cost me hundreds of dollars in lost wages. I couldn’t stop watching this even though I’ve never played the game. I’ve watched a bunch of play throughs and own the game. I just bought the collectors edition of Battle of the Five Armies. Please play this game again! It was really fun to watch.
You should't stop playing as soon as someone hits the military victory goal. You only check for military victory in step 6 check for victory of a turn. So you should have kept playing as you both still had a lot of action dice to spend (step 5). Mel could have sneaked back to Lorien to take away 2 Vp. When you take 12 damage or are on the end of the mordor track you win instantly
Late comment, but you misplayed the whole reduce coruption thing. Gandalf the White comes into play, even if the Gandalf the Gray is eliminated. So you could just eliminate Gandalf to reduce corruption, and then bring him back as gandalf the white. Legolas was gone for nothing. Poor Legolas. You shall be remembered.
I love this game! I bought it like 4 months ago, and have played it like 15 times. I love how everything is soo well balanced, but everything you do still has a large impact on the game. And the cards are great, they are very thimatic, and are ALL useful in some way.
Been watching you for a while now, sorry I haven’t subscribed earlier. You helped me with Dark Souls now I turn to you for War of the Ring. Thank you so much please do not stop what your doing your helping so may people Respect David
3:56:56 I feel so bad for the free people's but still learning the game. I think after that mess with forgetting how two armies can be moved using an army result, the best bet would have been to attack Moria so that when Rob attacked from N. Dunland and daylight was played if she still surived she could have retreated into Dimrill Dale and retake Lorien. Giving her time to dunk the ring.
I think the rule on downgrading elites (being able to replace with a free people’s casualty makes sense to me). You are not pulling from reinforcements. Think of this as an elite unit that was wounded and is now an average (regular) unit. It’s not like an elite died and a regular reinforcement came running into battle to take his/her place. So taking a regular from casualty to replace the elite unit makes complete sense. You would not want to more rapidly deplete your reinforcements by pulling from those every time you downgrade an elite.
Thanks so much for playing this y'all! Just found your channel with this but there's not many playthroughs and none matched your really nice and easy to see everything set-up and appreciated y'alls banter.
Considering that the majority of the stream is not actual game play, but discussing rules and explaining actions, this game didn't take all that long to play--just a couple or three hours at most. I wonder, as someone new to WotR, whether that is typical. Great video, you two. It is very helpful viewing.
Very good game guys. That was real intense right near the end where Mel could win with that double move. The de-brief was real cool. Get the confession box up and running, and can't wait for this game being run again :)
1:29:11 one of the Nazgul was placed illegal into that Army (if Nazgul are recruited they need to be put in a shadow fortress) so Rob should have had 2 rerolls instead of 3 and maybe the six. And that Army keeps moving. Just sayin' 😉
3:47:25 The free people could have won straight away by using an elven ring, changing the last dice to an army dice and moving one army into moria and one into dol guldur. these would have been 4 victory points and the shadow would not have had any possibility to take one back because there was just one dice left
Don’t those both still count as attacks even though no enemies in the space because it’s an enemy settlement? Goodness the rules in the game are shoddy
Thanks for the great video, I really appreciate the professionalism of the shoot, the way everything could be seen as well as the two of you and your personalities. My wife didn't get to watch tonight so we'll be watching again before we try to play. We ran out of time the first time we played, the cats got on the table, wiped out the free peoples and thus, we didn't get to finish.
No, I don't think she could have retreated to a friendly region before the battle. You are only able to retreat to adjacent regions at the end of each combat round (rulebook p. 29). Retreating into a Stronghold is different, however, and can only be done at the start of each combat round (before combat cards, rolls, etc.)
technically military victory doesn't check until the end of the turn. So if Mel would be able to retake 1 point maybe 2 points by taking Lorien and taking 2 more points.
Hi Rob and Mel, thank you for your fantastic play through. ATM I am still stuck at 1h and 20min but I will definitly will watch this till the bitter end, promise. One question... At approx minute 21 you introduce us to the very useful custom player aid sheet with references to the according pages in the rules. I have looked through BGG, but as for now I could not find it there. Could you please provide where you had obtained this useful tool. Thank you. Cheers, Benjamin
57:26 Actually that move is illegal for two reasons: 1. She must hide the fellowship before it can be moved and 2. Even the first die she places there gives +1 to the hunting roll (unless Lords of Middle Earth-Strider councils the fellowship)
At 57:27 she is hidden so she didn't have to hide. The fellowship counter is ring side up. And no the first time the fellowship moves a turn the hunt roll succeeds only on a 6. From page 41 of the rules under Modifiers to the Hunt Roll: If the Fellowship has moved more than once per turn, the Hunt becomes easier. For every Action die that the FP player has placed in the Hunt Box (a FPP action die is placed here AFTER every movement of the fellowship...), the Shadow player adds +1 to each hunt roll die result.
Unless they are on the Mordor track where they could be stopped in their tracks by a revealed hunt tile (you alway reveal a tile on the Mordor track - no rolling of sixes necessary).
really fun playthrough only just got the game and this playthrough helped me understand how the game works, if we have a follow up to this could we have all of the expansions in play
You started wrong with the hunt allocation. At the first round you don’t allocate any eye die as you only allocate them in this phase ONLY IF THE FREE PEOPLE PLAYED AT LEAST ONE DIE IN THE PREVIOUS ROUND. As it is the first round, obviously you don’t allocate an eye die
As far as I understand the rules, the shadow players is free to allocate up to 7 hunt die in phase 3, but he doesn't have to if there weren't a die of the Free People. Or am I misunderstanding you?
First of all! Really nice video!! I like you guys. Second. Rob ur cheating. 🤭. U moved 3 armies @3.59.30. 1. Army ro moria 2. U moved an army south 3. One of that army you moved to angmar. Hahaha. Anyway! Keep uo the good work!
If you get head pains from all of this, but you still love board feel of war of the ring, go buy battle for middle earth 2, its one hell good pc /board game combo...
2:27:40 Aragorn does not die. Companions are basically immortal, like Nazguls, can be only killed or sacrified using card effects (or decreasing hunt level while in fellowship). Only leaders die together with whole army, as they cannot exist alone on a region.
Sorry, I don't think this is true. Aragorn was attached to the besieged army in the battle, so was properly eliminated: Rulebook Page 30: Elimination of Leaders and Characters If all the Army units involved in a battle are eliminated, then all Leaders (including Characters) that were part of that Army are also immediately removed from play. The rules define Characters as 'Minions and Companions'
The Free People side actually has priority for a ring victory. If the ringbearers reach the crack of doom space they win immediately even if they are at 12 corruption. Just like the sauron player has priority during a military victory. Sauron can achieve 10 vp and win even if the fellowship gets 6 vp. EDIT: This was a misread of the rule. Sauron has priority at all times if the corruption ever reaches 12 even if the ringbearers are on the crack of doom space.
nope, in chapter 10 of the rulebook it says, that the ring is destroyed if the ringbearers are at the crack of doom step and have fewer than 12 corruption points. It also says that the shadow wins if the ring bearers ever have 12 corruption. Therefore even if the ring bearers are at the crack of doom, if they have 12 corruption, they don't destroy the ring and the shadow wins the game
Too messy and quite too much asymmetric (so making quite many "deja vu" feelings). I much prefer the card game version and sold back this (too) big box!
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1:40:15 Nazgul can only be recruited into strongholds of the Sauron nation. Pg. 26 of the rulebook
3:47:21 the Free People's had a chance to win by a miltary victory. Use an elven Ring to take Moria and Dol Guldur. The Shadow only had a Muster left and since those places were strongholds they could have only just attacked Moria but not take it.
2:25:32 you didn't have to move the fellowship: rulebook page 38 The actual position of the Fellowship is determined only if one of two things happen:
1) The Free Peoples player decides to declare the position of the Fellowship, or
2) A Hunt for the Ring is successful and reveals the Fellowship.
2:20:01 The Tile you Drew didn't have a reveal icon
Nice play. Be good to see you do more. WOW though the Free People player unfortunately missed an easy military victory at 3:47:40. They had elven units next to Moria, and north units next to Dul Guldur. Both were at war. They had 1 die left and 3 rings. Using a ring to move both armies into the empty Sauron strongholds would have been the 4 points for the victory. The Shadow player couldnt have done anything about it as they only had 1 die left, so even attacking Moria back with the adjacent army would have just started a siege and the round would have ended there! You did spot this though from comment in the stream chat..
I spotted some rule issues for you on top of what others have said to help for future games...
1) At 1:23:00 the Shadow player recruited 2 Nazgul directly into armies on the board that weren't in strongholds. They must be recruited into Sauron strongholds. You would have had to move them after to the armies. The same happened around 1:40:00.
2) At 1:26:00 the Free People player did not activate Gondor when Strider became Aragon. This didn't really matter though as the very next Shadow action was to attack Gondor and activate them anyway.
3) At 2:00:56 the Shadow player re-rolled and got a 4, and assumed it was a hit because of the combat card played. However that combat card only added +1 to the "combat roll". It did not count for the "leader roll". This hit should not have been applied.
4) At 2:26:15 you as others have said, you did incorrectly move the fellowship from the previous 3 hunt tile.
5) At 3:07:13 the Shadow player had to discard one character card and one army card to remove the "A Power Too Great" card in play. This might not have been a mistake, but it caught me out too so thought id say. But the "army" card is specific to a card from the "Strategy" deck that has an army symbol in it. The Strategy deck has cards with muster symbols as well as army symbols. Muster cards from the strategy deck would not have been legal here.
Thank you so much for the detailed comment I really appreciate that for myself as well as anyone watching in the future. We do plan to do more this is a great game. Thanks for watching!
You forgot a rule - If the Free Peoples/Sauron player conducts their entire round in the voice of Gandalf/Saruman they can claim a single re-roll the next turn.
Hi! On which page do I find this rule? Or can someone please explain it to me? Thx in advance!
It is made up.
@@manuelgerber9724 i think its a joke :)
not all hunt tiles are returned to the cup on the mordor track, only eye tiles that were drawn before and any tiles from played action cards, i.e. if a hunt was succesful and you draw a 3 tile it doesnt return later to the cup once the fellowship goes on the mordor track
You ruined my Friday night and cost me hundreds of dollars in lost wages. I couldn’t stop watching this even though I’ve never played the game. I’ve watched a bunch of play throughs and own the game. I just bought the collectors edition of Battle of the Five Armies. Please play this game again! It was really fun to watch.
I just got this game and all the expansions. Pretty excited. I looked and sure enough you got a playthrough. I appreciate you guys, ty!
You should't stop playing as soon as someone hits the military victory goal. You only check for military victory in step 6 check for victory of a turn. So you should have kept playing as you both still had a lot of action dice to spend (step 5). Mel could have sneaked back to Lorien to take away 2 Vp. When you take 12 damage or are on the end of the mordor track you win instantly
I agree. This game is disqualified. You will have to replay it on camera ;D
Late comment, but you misplayed the whole reduce coruption thing. Gandalf the White comes into play, even if the Gandalf the Gray is eliminated. So you could just eliminate Gandalf to reduce corruption, and then bring him back as gandalf the white. Legolas was gone for nothing. Poor Legolas. You shall be remembered.
"If Boromir leaves the friendship"
That's one way to say it.
I love this game! I bought it like 4 months ago, and have played it like 15 times.
I love how everything is soo well balanced, but everything you do still has a large impact on the game.
And the cards are great, they are very thimatic, and are ALL useful in some way.
Been watching you for a while now, sorry I haven’t subscribed earlier. You helped me with Dark Souls now I turn to you for War of the Ring. Thank you so much please do not stop what your doing your helping so may people
Respect
David
3:56:56 I feel so bad for the free people's but still learning the game. I think after that mess with forgetting how two armies can be moved using an army result, the best bet would have been to attack Moria so that when Rob attacked from N. Dunland and daylight was played if she still surived she could have retreated into Dimrill Dale and retake Lorien. Giving her time to dunk the ring.
@ 1:27:10 Gondor was technically already active since Aragorn entered play in Dol Amroth.
I think the rule on downgrading elites (being able to replace with a free people’s casualty makes sense to me). You are not pulling from reinforcements. Think of this as an elite unit that was wounded and is now an average (regular) unit. It’s not like an elite died and a regular reinforcement came running into battle to take his/her place. So taking a regular from casualty to replace the elite unit makes complete sense. You would not want to more rapidly deplete your reinforcements by pulling from those every time you downgrade an elite.
Thanks so much for playing this y'all! Just found your channel with this but there's not many playthroughs and none matched your really nice and easy to see everything set-up and appreciated y'alls banter.
Considering that the majority of the stream is not actual game play, but discussing rules and explaining actions, this game didn't take all that long to play--just a couple or three hours at most. I wonder, as someone new to WotR, whether that is typical.
Great video, you two. It is very helpful viewing.
When Gothmog becomes King of Gondor 🤣
yes was just about to write the same thing =)
So weird a lot of People mistake that figure with the Aragorn card
Very good game guys. That was real intense right near the end where Mel could win with that double move. The de-brief was real cool. Get the confession box up and running, and can't wait for this game being run again :)
I play this game a lot with my son. Would love to see another play through with the expansions.
1:29:11 one of the Nazgul was placed illegal into that Army (if Nazgul are recruited they need to be put in a shadow fortress) so Rob should have had 2 rerolls instead of 3 and maybe the six. And that Army keeps moving. Just sayin' 😉
3:47:25 The free people could have won straight away by using an elven ring, changing the last dice to an army dice and moving one army into moria and one into dol guldur. these would have been 4 victory points and the shadow would not have had any possibility to take one back because there was just one dice left
Don’t those both still count as attacks even though no enemies in the space because it’s an enemy settlement?
Goodness the rules in the game are shoddy
@@Quincy_Morris No, you cannot retreat in a Region like that, but you can move in there and it is not an attack
Fantastic play through guys. I don’t have time to play my favorite game, so this was very welcome 😊
@robsgamingtable did you end up streaming the follow-up? I didn't see it in the playlist.
Thanks for the great video, I really appreciate the professionalism of the shoot, the way everything could be seen as well as the two of you and your personalities.
My wife didn't get to watch tonight so we'll be watching again before we try to play. We ran out of time the first time we played, the cats got on the table, wiped out the free peoples and thus, we didn't get to finish.
49:09 beginning of the game (first dice roll) - they drew their first two cards already
Question, could she have retreated to a friendly region before battle at 1:47:00?
No, I don't think she could have retreated to a friendly region before the battle. You are only able to retreat to adjacent regions at the end of each combat round (rulebook p. 29). Retreating into a Stronghold is different, however, and can only be done at the start of each combat round (before combat cards, rolls, etc.)
@@Geiger064 thanks. I'm new to the game. I bought it about a year back for a friend and we are trying to get the rules under our belt.
Thanks
Is 44k views enough for another playthrough? :)
A year later, i really hope to see another game!
When recruiting Nazgul they must be added to Sauron settlements and they must be added to two different settlements.
One game to rule them all!!My no1 board game of all time and i have a lot!!Cheers!
Yes, this game is a lot of peoples #1 game, I can see why. Thanks for watching!
technically military victory doesn't check until the end of the turn. So if Mel would be able to retake 1 point maybe 2 points by taking Lorien and taking 2 more points.
Did you say you had card screens?
When's the next WOTR playthrough??
Hi Rob and Mel, thank you for your fantastic play through. ATM I am still stuck at 1h and 20min but I will definitly will watch this till the bitter end, promise. One question...
At approx minute 21 you introduce us to the very useful custom player aid sheet with references to the according pages in the rules. I have looked through BGG, but as for now I could not find it there. Could you please provide where you had obtained this useful tool. Thank you. Cheers, Benjamin
Cool idea for the bases, yes I just got the game
1:38:35 you should have Gandalf (the leader) get killed for the 3 hunt damage, he can come back as gandalf the white anyway.
57:26 Actually that move is illegal for two reasons:
1. She must hide the fellowship before it can be moved and
2. Even the first die she places there gives +1 to the hunting roll (unless Lords of Middle Earth-Strider councils the fellowship)
At 57:27 she is hidden so she didn't have to hide. The fellowship counter is ring side up. And no the first time the fellowship moves a turn the hunt roll succeeds only on a 6. From page 41 of the rules under Modifiers to the Hunt Roll: If the Fellowship has moved more than once per turn, the Hunt becomes easier. For every Action die that the FP player has placed in the Hunt Box (a FPP action die is placed here AFTER every movement of the fellowship...), the Shadow player adds +1 to each hunt roll die result.
And right after posting my last comment I started the video back up and someone chimed in with a similar comment.
Doesn't the fellowship still move even if the hunt is successful? Or does rolling a 6 on the hunt actually waste the Free People's character die?
They move one space on the track, then you do the hunt roll. They always move, but with different effects and consequences.
Unless they are on the Mordor track where they could be stopped in their tracks by a revealed hunt tile (you alway reveal a tile on the Mordor track - no rolling of sixes necessary).
really fun playthrough only just got the game and this playthrough helped me understand how the game works, if we have a follow up to this could we have all of the expansions in play
is movie pronunciation not canon? some of these pronunciations really caught me off guard
You started wrong with the hunt allocation. At the first round you don’t allocate any eye die as you only allocate them in this phase ONLY IF THE FREE PEOPLE PLAYED AT LEAST ONE DIE IN THE PREVIOUS ROUND.
As it is the first round, obviously you don’t allocate an eye die
As far as I understand the rules, the shadow players is free to allocate up to 7 hunt die in phase 3, but he doesn't have to if there weren't a die of the Free People. Or am I misunderstanding you?
@@PGCole that's exactly what i said :)
But in the video you don't clarify that point
First of all! Really nice video!! I like you guys. Second. Rob ur cheating. 🤭. U moved 3 armies @3.59.30.
1. Army ro moria
2. U moved an army south
3. One of that army you moved to angmar.
Hahaha.
Anyway! Keep uo the good work!
If you get head pains from all of this, but you still love board feel of war of the ring, go buy battle for middle earth 2, its one hell good pc /board game combo...
Where did you get the grey silicon divider tray you use for the dice and game pieces?
2:27:40 Aragorn does not die. Companions are basically immortal, like Nazguls, can be only killed or sacrified using card effects (or decreasing hunt level while in fellowship). Only leaders die together with whole army, as they cannot exist alone on a region.
Sorry, I don't think this is true. Aragorn was attached to the besieged army in the battle, so was properly eliminated:
Rulebook Page 30:
Elimination of Leaders and Characters
If all the Army units involved in a battle are eliminated, then all Leaders (including Characters) that were part of that Army are also immediately removed from play.
The rules define Characters as 'Minions and Companions'
The Free People side actually has priority for a ring victory. If the ringbearers reach the crack of doom space they win immediately even if they are at 12 corruption. Just like the sauron player has priority during a military victory. Sauron can achieve 10 vp and win even if the fellowship gets 6 vp.
EDIT: This was a misread of the rule. Sauron has priority at all times if the corruption ever reaches 12 even if the ringbearers are on the crack of doom space.
nope, in chapter 10 of the rulebook it says, that the ring is destroyed if the ringbearers are at the crack of doom step and have fewer than 12 corruption points. It also says that the shadow wins if the ring bearers ever have 12 corruption. Therefore even if the ring bearers are at the crack of doom, if they have 12 corruption, they don't destroy the ring and the shadow wins the game
@@haydengibbons5000 yea I mis read that part of the rules.
@@MRdaBakkle no worries, I just wanted to make sure someone didn't read that in the future and get confused
You are so cool
Too messy and quite too much asymmetric (so making quite many "deja vu" feelings). I much prefer the card game version and sold back this (too) big box!