Games & Timestamps: Intro 0:11 bionic commando reboot. 0:37 10. Bioshock infinite 1:51 9. Last of us part 2 2:55 8. Metal gear solid-Snake Eater 4:00 7. God of war- Ragnarok 5:12 6. Hollow children- Binary domain 6:08 5. Braid (2008 sidescroller) 7:10 4. Final Fantasy VII 8:18 3. Portal 9:27 Call of Duty: Modern warfair 10:33 Life is strange
@@aw4955 Not sure what is on the screen at the 5 second mark but I did edit to add bionic commando at the 11 second mark. Number 5 is Braid a 2008 indie arcade style game.
Would you kindly? I know it was mentioned in the Bioshock Infinite reveal but that is always going to be my number one. I don’t think any ‘you’ve been manipulated the entire time’ reveal has ever hit me that hard before or since. Because Fontaine didn’t need to play up his role as Atlas. He literally had the ability to direct Jack as he pleased with just three little words but still went and played the role of a man first trying to escape Rapture and then later as avenging grieving father and widower just to have that much more of a hold on Jack’s actions. When he drops the facade and showed his true personality as a bloodthirsty, power hungry, amoral cutthroat who didn’t care who died so long as he won. The sheer mental whiplash had me dropping my controller back in the day.
I had started having suspicions when Tyr is so contradictive to everything we did. There’s trying to keep some one the right path, and trying to slow you down. As soon as Brok started calling him out, it clicked for me and I was just shaking my head screaming at what was about to happen.
I like the plot twists in the first 2 mass effect games as well as andromeda. Finding out sovereign is a reaper, finding out the collectors are actually protheans, and finding out the kett are actually exalted angaraa.
I saw the Kett one coming, it also felt kind of cheap to reuse this so soon after Mass Effect trilogy. Reapers make your enemies by "improving" the friendly races. Kett make your enemies by "improving" the friendly race.
Mass Effect 2's twist is good, but not as a main series game. It should have been a DLC. As a twist to the main-series game it actually is pretty bad because it doesn't help move the trilogy forward. This is why ME3 feels so bad for a lot of its runtime. It's dying under the weight of having to cover both its own ground and the ground ME2 was supposed to cover but didn't.
I was getting ready to comment that as well. This explanation plus some of the other entry's (like GoW:R and TLoU part 2) make me wonder if these people even play these games.
Binary Domain is such a fantastic game. Very goofy dialogue and humour but tells a really interesting story. Sucks that it didn't sell very well, but its definitely worth a revisit for any who missed it.
@@avideogamemaster No, but doesn't need it. Shoot out a machines legs it crawls toward you, shoot out their arms and they will run and kick at you. Shoot out the head and they will randomly shoot at anything hitting their fellows. It is Terminator in everything but name and plot.
Why have we stopped listing which games are being spoiled? I really like these lists but we used to have a warning as to which games were here so we knew if we needed to avoid it or not.
I always saw the Whispers as the embodiment of people who don't want change. I personally like that they went in the direction they did for FF VII Remake because playing the same game with a shiny coat of paint is nice but if you played the original you already know what's going to happen. I like how they got a balance of things from the original but adding something new to it.
To be honest, if you're going to do a remake and try to change it up to the point where it could be a sequel, you might as well make a sequel. The resources would be better used. Remakes should just be what you played, but prettier.
The thing is ,to plenty of people who disliked a good chunk of it, the main opinion it did it in a cynical "have cake and eat it too" way. Like revealing Sephiroth immediately is just the nostalgia bait Advent Children, and other cameos and spinoffs, had. And destroys the gameplay-plot synergy when Cloud can fight the final boss into 10% of the game. Or the plate fall having the inaccuracy of Frieza's five minute Namek explosion undersells the devastation of Barret's rash terrorism when barely anyone is harmed.
The big twists in the Xenoblade 1 2 and 3 are really good too. The main villain being inside of Shulk in one, Elysium being a barren wasteland in two, and Mio being replaced by moebius M in particular.
Naw, I don't think Portal's villain reveal was particularly surprising. If you're looking at the way the story is structured, once you get far enough to see that there are only two characters in it, then it becomes clear that the one who's not the hero will probably turn out to be the villain. It's a bit of a cheat, 'cause it does have you looking at it as a writer instead of as the audience, but the question of "how many ways could a conflict come into this story?" does tend to be fairly predictive in cases where the answer is "one". Portal 2 surprised me, though. Just having a wildcard in there was a neat trick to make the formula a little less transparent :)
The Whispers open new pathways and make sure history doesn't repeat itself? No. They are there to make sure it repeats itself. It's a defense mechanism of the planet. That's why you fight them at the end. So that Cloud and Co. can decide on their own. That's why they attacked Jesse to force Barrett to hire Cloud again. Because he was in Reactor 5 in the OG. He needed to be there.
They also actively block the crew during certain moments to stop them changing fate and even kill Wedge (by shoving him down an elevator shaft, which is a pretty cruel death given it's a long fall) to prevent him uniting with the crew and helping.
@deadpooly918 Jess has always been a high-powered bad take machine. It's usually a lot easier to keep track of the things she says about games that are correct. Much smaller number.
My favorite twist I'd add would be the big mystery of Master Detective Archive: Rain Code. They used the pink blood we're used to seeing in Danganronpa as a hidden plot device. My jaw nearly dropped.
Broken Age. *SPOILERS BELOW* . . . . . The game has two storylines, which the player can switch back and forth between at will. One is about a young girl trying to avoid being sacrificed to a eldritch horror, and the other is about a young boy eaking out a lonely existence on a spaceship travelling through deep space. The two plots don't initially appear to be connected, but hints are dropped throughout the first act of both that the boy's storyline takes place in the past, and the girl is his descendent. This is not the case. The truth is, the two storylines are taking place at *the same time*- the elder god pursuing the girl is the spaceship the boy lives on, with a shell around it that creates the illusion of deep space on the inside, and the illusion of a horrible monster from the outside. The revelation sets up the rest of the game, with the boy and girl exploring each other's world and uncovering the reasons for the deception.
Read Dead Redemption 2, but not the one most people think of: for me, it was Kieran. I kept thinking of him as a good, decent guy that would prove his worth and was slowly becoming part of the gang. Instead, we see the gang go out of their way and crazy to save Tilly when she's kidnapped while completely ignoring that Kieran has been. IIRC some people even think he's turned tail and run off to work for the enemy again. I kept looking, hoping to figure out where he went off to, but then... Well, he came into camp, riding on that horse... I didn't sleep right for a week.
Something that I always found interesting was that the Spectres in FF7R show up at points of major changes to try and stop the changes. I always kinda read this as a bit of a jab at, or a personification of, the "We don't like change" fans.
it honestly feels more like gaslighting or at least insulting the fans, cause I'm pretty sure it was promised that it will be the original game just with better graphics and a more action like fighting system, you know, the thing fans where actually asking for years, specially so that new commers, who can't handle the old look of the original, finally can experience this game. Yeah sorry, but this game is one of the biggest scams square ever did and it honestly hurt how fans falled for the gaslighting.
@@toongrowner1Everything you said I agree with. I’ll add that it also seems like a cash grab seeing as how they are splitting it into 3 parts so we have to pay the price of three games just to see the end of the story. This is unnecessary due to the fact that FFXVI is the most recent one and is a full and complete game and was normally priced.
Was hoping someone would say it before me, but from the beginning Nomura said that there was little to no point in making a 1 to 1 remake, and said in his 4th interview it wouldn't be. Since the original is a game that they made sure to keep available. That said in EARLY interviews it was said it wouldn't add characters which they changed their minds about but the interviews go as far back as 2010. Before they ever officially greenlit it.
@toongrowner1 if this were just a few years ago I would probably be inclined to be on ur side but as I've gotten older I've learned that when a game as incredible as O.G. FFVII there's no really good reason to remake or even touch what many consider perfection unless you're going to do something to justify doing it
Here is a bright idea for future videos like that: Don't put the spoiler in the entry title. That way people can still enjoy the video and easily skip entries about titles they don't want to get spoiled.
I was gonna tease the comments about the spoilers, but after watching the video, wow WC, the commenters are right. TLOU 2 and GOW:R being in this video without warning is wild... I'm not even through the whole vid yet 😂 Edit: FF7R... Aerith is alive when leaving Midgar in the original
I seriously don't think anything on that list can top Shepard's betrayal in MW3. Especially when you factor in so much hype & recognition that the series had at that point.
You know, I still have no clue why people struggle to understand Metal Gear's plot. It's SUPER easy. The simplest explaination is "War is bad, a lot of the people you fight are either fucked up and forced to think war is their only choice or are martyrs to save the world from true villains. Some of your allies are actually the villains. You're the puppet in a big conspiracy that ends up saving the world." Honestly, Revengence is harder to explain given it's more Raiden's personal story and not really tied to the main plotline.
I would say the Black Ops twist of Mason being brainwashed by Victor so Victor can achieve some form of revenge is just as good a twist reveal as the MW2 one.
It'd be great to have a list of games featured in this video at the start or in the description, and/or some timestamps, especially as the spoiler is given alongside the game title
I agree, like I feel weird being mad cause the video is literally about spoilers but normally these types of videos do as you said, have a list in the beginning.
2:54 Abby's father murdered multiple people, was too stupid to realize you can't vaccinate against a fungus, even dumber for not realizing he could just do a spinal fluid tap to get a sample of the fungus, and too immoral and selfish to admit to the Fireflies and communities at large that he was incapable of following up on his promises, because he enjoyed the power and treatment it earned him. Joel stopped him from murdering not just a teen who literally could not consent to the surgery for multiple reasons, but the only person with a variation of the fungus that wasn't fatal. Killing Ellie would have fucked over humanity's ONE chance for immunity. There was no moral ambiguity involved. The team just came up with a crappy retconned excuse to justify murdering Joel and treating Ellie like the villain, even though it required going against their own lore.
I have never owned a PS console, and likely never will, but that description is a numero uno reason of why the game's story never worked at all & you just explained it in a matter of paragraphs. The Goat. 😎👍
i guess the ending of Final fantasy X was pretty jaw-dropping to me.... turns out your just a dream of yourself summoned a thousand years into the future to kill a monster that is kind of your dad...or whatever the hell that ending was...
Yeah, only one of those characters still being alive at the end of FFVII Remake is a twist. The other one was still alive at that point in the original FFVII as well.
I know the legacy of kain series wont ever achieve mainstream status and im okay with that, but the twist in soul reaver 2 where you find out that the mad entity trapped in the titular sword was raziel the whole time blew my mind as a kid.
Will people laugh that I feel MGS3 Snake Eater and probably down to the young age I played kinda helped in establishing how I view global politics, Hideo Kojima in general and the subject matter he approaches. It's when the Boss says 'Yesterdays Enemies are tomorrow's allies!' It's still really dawn's on me we're all pawns to our Nation's politics but that can change, I'm probably just very dumb but these games I found really philosophical and deep growing up Lol
The twist in 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors. Specifically the one that Zero was Akane, as so many other twists must be unraveled to even learn that. The narrator on the bottom screen(in the DS version) has been your childhood friend experiencing the same things 9 years ago and communicating with Junpei in the present to ensure her own existence is solidified. Gave me chills when I saw how it all came together and the music of that game is phenomenal at setting the tone.
Nothing about Abby was a shock? That was some of the laziest writing one could imagine, and literally the only feasible reason someone that young would know him by name.
i still think we should have been given the choice to kill abby or not -- because MY ellie would certainly have done that -- but no ... they took that choice away from the player
I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the Megan reveal at the end of Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. That entire cutscene made me angry, sad, upset, depressed, and then angry again all at once.
There is no moral ambiguity between Joel and Abby. Joel killed people that were going to kill a child. Abby Ambushed, tortured, and murdered a man for preventing the death of a child. The two aren't remotely the same.
It's a little more complex than that. Joel killed her father, several others, and took away the one potential chance to save the world. You don't have to like it, but Abby's motivation was 100% understandable. That said, I would probably do the same in Joel's position, but like Joel, I'd do it while acknowledging that by saving one person I'd be dooming everyone else. The morality of the situation is very much a matter of perspective.
FFVII was right there in the name…. “Re-Make”. It’s English pedantry, but it was right there the whole time. They are Re-making the story. All bets are off in Rebirth. Remember, it’s not just Zack and Aerith (for now, but who do we lose instead?) that are still alive. Biggs is still alive too who knows how he’ll take Jessie who he clearly loved & Wedge are dead pretty much because of cold and selfish Cloud, and Dyne made his way to Midgar to take Marlene.
People also mistakenly believed that Cloud was emo in the original game. He wasn't emo, he was apathetic because he was going through a lot of it when we met him in the beginning of the original. Everyone knew about Aerith's death and wished she'd survive the whole story instead of much less popular characters like Jessie. The remake devs gave us exactly that and then wondered why we don't like what we've literally been asking for for a decade and a half at that point. Edit: At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Rebirth isn't a direct sequel but instead the Remake treatment to Final Fantasy Crisis Core as the new story prequel to FFVII Remake.
We don't know for sure Wedge is dead. He survived his original death and last we saw him the whispers pushed him out a window but his body wasn't shown.
As much as FF7r takes the cake with its reveal, it was Stranger of Paradise that really connects the dots... As much as people believed to be a darker-&-edgier prequel/remake of FF1, it's secretly connects to the lore of Dissidia regarding The Lufenians' experimentation of Cornelia, with many lands, even iconic ones, shifting into another land from the main-installments, such as The Water Shrine being FF7's Junon Reactor. Even more so is that the MC, Jack Garland, actually co-conspire with the advance civilization, which resulted in him getting amnesiac by his dear-friend Astos because of Princess Sarah, started to see the ruse of this...
Bioshock Infinite is a great example of both an amazing twist (main story) and a terrible twist (Burial at Sea DLC) in one. I skip the DLC on replays now, since it ruins the logic of the entire franchise just to have fan service.
When the true identities of the protagonists and the full sequence of events up to a certain point were revealed in AI: The Somnium Files - nirvanA Initiative, my jaw literally dropped. Having previously played through not only the first game in the Somnium Files series but also the entirety of the preceding Zero Escape series, and Ever17 some years before that (all of these games had the same head writer, Kotaro Uchikoshi), I thought I wouldn't have been quite so surprised even if I was thrown a curve ball, but I was wrong. (I did notice the way events in the game up to that point had been misrepresented, although I was very impressed with the exact structure of the events.)
Killer 7. The normally unplayable "cleaner" character who retrieves and revives the main characters when they die (apart from a few other parts), killed the actual Killer 7 team, Harmon, Kun Lan, and probably all of the ghost characters met in the game, and then went crazy and has been pretending to be all of these characters, carrying their weapons around in his giant briefcase. Oh, and the exposition character is also Kun Lan in bondage gear.
I thought the Whispers were trying to keep the timeline as it is, as the three main Whispers at the end represent Cloud, Tifa, and Barret. Even going as far as trying to kill anyone who should have died but didn’t this time around. It was even shown when Arreth and I believe Marlen remember the original timeline somewhat.
I like the twist in danganronpa V3. it was like 3 twists at once with each being crazier than the one before. They also played with expectations of who the mastermind was
FFX: a whole lot of people, including head honchos of the world's primary religion, had been dead all along. Silent Hill Shattered Memories: though you play as Harry Mason throughout the game, the twist at the end that when you're talking to the psychiatrist, you're actually Cheryl. And then there's Spec Ops: The Line.
The Bloody Baron quest in the Witcher 3 probably has to be one of my favorite missions in any game. Mark Addy (Robert Baratheon Game of thrones) and Doug Cockle (Geralt) had amazing chemistry and I was completely sucked into his families troubles.
Psy could probably back me out on this, since they're a fan of the Phoenix Wright series, but there are several plot twists there that can make this list. However, the top one for me comes in Phoenix Wright: Spirit of Justice in where you find out the events that transpired in Turnabout Revolution and how Apollo's Stepfather kept a promise he made despite said events.
Let's see. James killed Mary (SH2). Elizabeth set the events of Bioshock 1 into motion (Burial at Sea 2). Alex was never in the army, he was institutionalized after accidentally killing his brother, who was the one actually going to get sacrificed because his dad, whom Alex thought hated him, could not bring himself to sacrifice him (SH: Homecoming). The ones that come to mind right now.
Ovan in dot Hack GU Volume 2. Throughout the first and 3/4 of second game he was a close friend of Haseo if at times cryptic. Which makes the reveal that HE is not only the real Tri-Edge but also the one that put Shino in a coma is a massive shocker. Still dropps my jaw to this day. The knock off known as Sword Art Online WISHES it was that good.
Its funny that they missed Braids ACTUAL twist. The princess and plot is about the Manhattan project. Once you get all the stars and do the final level and juke it to GET the princess she fuckin explodes as a nuke lol
Wild ARMs 1. Players were led to believe Rudy was hated because of his ability to use ARMs easily. Oh how everyone was surprised. Then there was Wild ARMs 3 ending. . .what punch to the gut that was. . .
Punch to the gut, eh? Well I'm currently replaying 1 again and yes when that twist first was revealed it was quite a shocker. I guess you have encouraged me to continue on with the series to try to finish WA2 and then (finally) play 3... Who doesn't like a good gut punch now and then, right? 😅 And, I know it's a really old game now, but no spoilers please! 🤫
There is no reassessing, Joel did it to save someone and shot them for a comparatively painless death. Abby went out of her way for revenge and was torturing a person. Even Ellie shows no plans to torture Abby. Abby is the only one who tortured anyone.
Joel murders dozens of people to save Ellie *who wanted to do it*. Ellie (and Co) murder every single friend Abby had. There aren't any heroes in this franchise. I get that people put themselves into Joel's shoes and ignored obvious things like his PTSD over his daughter that leads him to snap and go on a murderous rampage, or that before the series he did horrible things because of it as well, but if you can't reassess when the franchise hands you the ways to do so then, well, it's on you, not the franchise.
@SenecaRaine it was never stated Ellie both knew she was going to die and wanted to do it beforehand. Also, the only reason he killed dozens was so there was gameplay to get through. No one is the hero, I just choose to not betray the people I am familiar with by feeling bad for a torturous psychopath, Abby, like so many others. If everyone is equally bad, which they basically are, why decide to switch sides when they give Abby a sob story just like everyone else has?
@tron9683 it's the moment and people that take that thought, run with it and, in many cases start to consider her the hero that I am talking about. I get if people get to a point where they just think everyone is equally evil and kind of hates them all or at least their actions, but the moment people get too far with liking Abby they are basically condoning the fact she is the only character that tortures someone in the whole series and that person is the one you were meant to supposedly care about.
How can we beware of spoilers if you don't tell us ahead of time which games are going to be spoiled? You five right in to the spoiler before saying which game it's from.
The cake was never a lie in Portal. " Apature Science would like to remind you that you will be baked. And then there will be cake." Notice the promise of cake there. YOU WILL BE BAKED. And Remember GLADOS does after all try to get us to lay down and get burnt up by a fire. In other words baked. WE are the reason there is no cake. So the cake is real we just don't get to see it because we failed the final challenge to get it.
on point 9, NO, there is a huge difference between joel killing abby father who was about to kill Ellie, he confronted joel making clear the stakes, abby on the other hand, execute joel, who was not a treat for anyone, they did nit come to save anyone, they had numbers, they had him in the ground, and then execute him, these are completely different situations, abby is in no moment heroic, here
10. i'm surprised he didn't know his own daughter. 8. yeah, that's how it happened. 3. it's always a lie. 2. i was shocked when shepard kill both roach and ghost.
Uhh, Of course Aerith is still alive. They've only left Midgar. I bet Disc 2 will be ended with her death, and Disc 3 will be time travel shenanigans to finally fulfill the wishes of fans to resurrect her for the finale. But PC players will have had it spoiled beyond all palpable interest by the time they release...
......oh, you mean "dead" as in "brain dead." Literally none of these were shocking, unless you thought Elizabeth was a love interest and Bioshock Infinite was going to pull an Oldboy.
Thank you!! Finally, someone else gets it. If that was actually Tyr, he would have been traumatised about his imprisonment. Odin gave himself away by going on and on about it. He just wouldn't shut up.
@@tron9683That's where Odin got it wrong and gave himself away. How do you know Tyr wasn't traumatised? In your mind, was he supposed to show it? A Norse God of War who is the epitome of strength wouldn't want to show that he was suffering from trauma. He didn't want to show that he was (in his eyes) weak.
Games & Timestamps:
Intro 0:11 bionic commando reboot.
0:37 10. Bioshock infinite
1:51 9. Last of us part 2
2:55 8. Metal gear solid-Snake Eater
4:00 7. God of war- Ragnarok
5:12 6. Hollow children- Binary domain
6:08 5. Braid (2008 sidescroller)
7:10 4. Final Fantasy VII
8:18 3. Portal
9:27 Call of Duty: Modern warfair
10:33 Life is strange
What's the game at the 5 second mark?
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Not sure what is on the screen at the 5 second mark but I did edit to add bionic commando at the 11 second mark. Number 5 is Braid a 2008 indie arcade style game.
@@aw4955Midnight Fight Express
Why the hell don't they use chapters?
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Would you kindly?
I know it was mentioned in the Bioshock Infinite reveal but that is always going to be my number one. I don’t think any ‘you’ve been manipulated the entire time’ reveal has ever hit me that hard before or since. Because Fontaine didn’t need to play up his role as Atlas. He literally had the ability to direct Jack as he pleased with just three little words but still went and played the role of a man first trying to escape Rapture and then later as avenging grieving father and widower just to have that much more of a hold on Jack’s actions. When he drops the facade and showed his true personality as a bloodthirsty, power hungry, amoral cutthroat who didn’t care who died so long as he won. The sheer mental whiplash had me dropping my controller back in the day.
The Odin reveal in Ragnarok was two-fold insane. First to see it's Odin and then to see Brok get killed.
I had started having suspicions when Tyr is so contradictive to everything we did. There’s trying to keep some one the right path, and trying to slow you down. As soon as Brok started calling him out, it clicked for me and I was just shaking my head screaming at what was about to happen.
I like the plot twists in the first 2 mass effect games as well as andromeda. Finding out sovereign is a reaper, finding out the collectors are actually protheans, and finding out the kett are actually exalted angaraa.
I saw the Kett one coming, it also felt kind of cheap to reuse this so soon after Mass Effect trilogy. Reapers make your enemies by "improving" the friendly races. Kett make your enemies by "improving" the friendly race.
Mass Effect 2's twist is good, but not as a main series game. It should have been a DLC. As a twist to the main-series game it actually is pretty bad because it doesn't help move the trilogy forward. This is why ME3 feels so bad for a lot of its runtime. It's dying under the weight of having to cover both its own ground and the ground ME2 was supposed to cover but didn't.
No KOTOR Revan reveal? That was a great shock the first time.
That's been done to death on lists like these, probably the same reason "Would you kindly" didn't make the list.
One of if not THE BEST (beside the would u kindly bioshock reveal maybe) shocking swist in video game history
FF7R, the whispers were there to make sure the timeline stays on track, not to keep pathways open.
I was getting ready to comment that as well. This explanation plus some of the other entry's (like GoW:R and TLoU part 2) make me wonder if these people even play these games.
Haytham Kenway being a Templar, i was shocked i did not see that coming
Binary Domain is such a fantastic game. Very goofy dialogue and humour but tells a really interesting story. Sucks that it didn't sell very well, but its definitely worth a revisit for any who missed it.
Also is a very good Terminator game that doesn't have the Terminator License.
@@AtmonTheExectioner no time traveling, no terminator
@@avideogamemaster No, but doesn't need it. Shoot out a machines legs it crawls toward you, shoot out their arms and they will run and kick at you. Shoot out the head and they will randomly shoot at anything hitting their fellows. It is Terminator in everything but name and plot.
@@AtmonTheExectioner Terminator did not invent cyborgs
@@avideogamemaster I never said it did.
Why have we stopped listing which games are being spoiled? I really like these lists but we used to have a warning as to which games were here so we knew if we needed to avoid it or not.
Yeah, it shouldn't be so hard to put the list of games at the beginning during the intro or AT LEAST in the description
Because capitalism, that's why.
That's what outsidexbox always does and it's very much appreciated!
At least the list are often added in the comments.
@@jajkomasterimagine being so deluded that you blame capitalism for SPOILERS.
I always saw the Whispers as the embodiment of people who don't want change. I personally like that they went in the direction they did for FF VII Remake because playing the same game with a shiny coat of paint is nice but if you played the original you already know what's going to happen. I like how they got a balance of things from the original but adding something new to it.
To be honest, if you're going to do a remake and try to change it up to the point where it could be a sequel, you might as well make a sequel. The resources would be better used. Remakes should just be what you played, but prettier.
The thing is ,to plenty of people who disliked a good chunk of it, the main opinion it did it in a cynical "have cake and eat it too" way.
Like revealing Sephiroth immediately is just the nostalgia bait Advent Children, and other cameos and spinoffs, had. And destroys the gameplay-plot synergy when Cloud can fight the final boss into 10% of the game.
Or the plate fall having the inaccuracy of Frieza's five minute Namek explosion undersells the devastation of Barret's rash terrorism when barely anyone is harmed.
The big twists in the Xenoblade 1 2 and 3 are really good too. The main villain being inside of Shulk in one, Elysium being a barren wasteland in two, and Mio being replaced by moebius M in particular.
The GOW one was mind blowing when I played it. But looking back the hints were there. They were just so subtle you wouldn’t really pick up on
Naw, I don't think Portal's villain reveal was particularly surprising.
If you're looking at the way the story is structured, once you get far enough to see that there are only two characters in it, then it becomes clear that the one who's not the hero will probably turn out to be the villain. It's a bit of a cheat, 'cause it does have you looking at it as a writer instead of as the audience, but the question of "how many ways could a conflict come into this story?" does tend to be fairly predictive in cases where the answer is "one".
Portal 2 surprised me, though. Just having a wildcard in there was a neat trick to make the formula a little less transparent :)
The Whispers open new pathways and make sure history doesn't repeat itself? No. They are there to make sure it repeats itself. It's a defense mechanism of the planet. That's why you fight them at the end. So that Cloud and Co. can decide on their own. That's why they attacked Jesse to force Barrett to hire Cloud again. Because he was in Reactor 5 in the OG. He needed to be there.
They also actively block the crew during certain moments to stop them changing fate and even kill Wedge (by shoving him down an elevator shaft, which is a pretty cruel death given it's a long fall) to prevent him uniting with the crew and helping.
@deadpooly918 Jess has always been a high-powered bad take machine. It's usually a lot easier to keep track of the things she says about games that are correct. Much smaller number.
My favorite twist I'd add would be the big mystery of Master Detective Archive: Rain Code. They used the pink blood we're used to seeing in Danganronpa as a hidden plot device. My jaw nearly dropped.
They really did a good job of playing to our expectations. “Oh, nice. They’re using the same stylized blood. Wait, what?”
Broken Age. *SPOILERS BELOW*
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The game has two storylines, which the player can switch back and forth between at will. One is about a young girl trying to avoid being sacrificed to a eldritch horror, and the other is about a young boy eaking out a lonely existence on a spaceship travelling through deep space. The two plots don't initially appear to be connected, but hints are dropped throughout the first act of both that the boy's storyline takes place in the past, and the girl is his descendent. This is not the case. The truth is, the two storylines are taking place at *the same time*- the elder god pursuing the girl is the spaceship the boy lives on, with a shell around it that creates the illusion of deep space on the inside, and the illusion of a horrible monster from the outside. The revelation sets up the rest of the game, with the boy and girl exploring each other's world and uncovering the reasons for the deception.
Even though I didn't enjoy playing that game, that was a great twist.
Read Dead Redemption 2, but not the one most people think of: for me, it was Kieran. I kept thinking of him as a good, decent guy that would prove his worth and was slowly becoming part of the gang. Instead, we see the gang go out of their way and crazy to save Tilly when she's kidnapped while completely ignoring that Kieran has been. IIRC some people even think he's turned tail and run off to work for the enemy again. I kept looking, hoping to figure out where he went off to, but then... Well, he came into camp, riding on that horse...
I didn't sleep right for a week.
Something that I always found interesting was that the Spectres in FF7R show up at points of major changes to try and stop the changes. I always kinda read this as a bit of a jab at, or a personification of, the "We don't like change" fans.
it honestly feels more like gaslighting or at least insulting the fans, cause I'm pretty sure it was promised that it will be the original game just with better graphics and a more action like fighting system, you know, the thing fans where actually asking for years, specially so that new commers, who can't handle the old look of the original, finally can experience this game. Yeah sorry, but this game is one of the biggest scams square ever did and it honestly hurt how fans falled for the gaslighting.
@@toongrowner1Everything you said I agree with. I’ll add that it also seems like a cash grab seeing as how they are splitting it into 3 parts so we have to pay the price of three games just to see the end of the story. This is unnecessary due to the fact that FFXVI is the most recent one and is a full and complete game and was normally priced.
Was hoping someone would say it before me, but from the beginning Nomura said that there was little to no point in making a 1 to 1 remake, and said in his 4th interview it wouldn't be. Since the original is a game that they made sure to keep available. That said in EARLY interviews it was said it wouldn't add characters which they changed their minds about but the interviews go as far back as 2010. Before they ever officially greenlit it.
@toongrowner1 if this were just a few years ago I would probably be inclined to be on ur side but as I've gotten older I've learned that when a game as incredible as O.G. FFVII there's no really good reason to remake or even touch what many consider perfection unless you're going to do something to justify doing it
Here is a bright idea for future videos like that: Don't put the spoiler in the entry title. That way people can still enjoy the video and easily skip entries about titles they don't want to get spoiled.
I see Binary Domain in the thumbnail, I click it. One of the most underrated games of all time
I was gonna tease the comments about the spoilers, but after watching the video, wow WC, the commenters are right. TLOU 2 and GOW:R being in this video without warning is wild... I'm not even through the whole vid yet 😂
Edit: FF7R... Aerith is alive when leaving Midgar in the original
Jedi Survivor for sure. Dude had force powers the whole time.
I seriously don't think anything on that list can top Shepard's betrayal in MW3. Especially when you factor in so much hype & recognition that the series had at that point.
FFVII Remake only gets as far as the Midgar segment. Arieth doesn’t die till way later.
You know, I still have no clue why people struggle to understand Metal Gear's plot. It's SUPER easy. The simplest explaination is "War is bad, a lot of the people you fight are either fucked up and forced to think war is their only choice or are martyrs to save the world from true villains. Some of your allies are actually the villains. You're the puppet in a big conspiracy that ends up saving the world." Honestly, Revengence is harder to explain given it's more Raiden's personal story and not really tied to the main plotline.
I would say the Black Ops twist of Mason being brainwashed by Victor so Victor can achieve some form of revenge is just as good a twist reveal as the MW2 one.
It'd be great to have a list of games featured in this video at the start or in the description, and/or some timestamps, especially as the spoiler is given alongside the game title
I agree, like I feel weird being mad cause the video is literally about spoilers but normally these types of videos do as you said, have a list in the beginning.
outsidexbox does a good job with that
The Whispers in FF7R actually are trying to do the exact opposite: prevent changes to the timeline and forcing an exact remake of FF7
2:54 Abby's father murdered multiple people, was too stupid to realize you can't vaccinate against a fungus, even dumber for not realizing he could just do a spinal fluid tap to get a sample of the fungus, and too immoral and selfish to admit to the Fireflies and communities at large that he was incapable of following up on his promises, because he enjoyed the power and treatment it earned him.
Joel stopped him from murdering not just a teen who literally could not consent to the surgery for multiple reasons, but the only person with a variation of the fungus that wasn't fatal.
Killing Ellie would have fucked over humanity's ONE chance for immunity.
There was no moral ambiguity involved. The team just came up with a crappy retconned excuse to justify murdering Joel and treating Ellie like the villain, even though it required going against their own lore.
I have never owned a PS console, and likely never will, but that description is a numero uno reason of why the game's story never worked at all & you just explained it in a matter of paragraphs. The Goat. 😎👍
I couldn’t agree more.
i guess the ending of Final fantasy X was pretty jaw-dropping to me.... turns out your just a dream of yourself summoned a thousand years into the future to kill a monster that is kind of your dad...or whatever the hell that ending was...
Yeah, only one of those characters still being alive at the end of FFVII Remake is a twist. The other one was still alive at that point in the original FFVII as well.
Yep. Said character dies WAY after you leave Midgar.
I know the legacy of kain series wont ever achieve mainstream status and im okay with that, but the twist in soul reaver 2 where you find out that the mad entity trapped in the titular sword was raziel the whole time blew my mind as a kid.
I bought Binary Domain and I'm so glad I did. I was hesitant in buying it but thankfully I decided to.
You guys need to play the Xenoblade series. You want jaw-dropping twists? That has plenty.
Will people laugh that I feel MGS3 Snake Eater and probably down to the young age I played kinda helped in establishing how I view global politics, Hideo Kojima in general and the subject matter he approaches.
It's when the Boss says 'Yesterdays Enemies are tomorrow's allies!' It's still really dawn's on me we're all pawns to our Nation's politics but that can change, I'm probably just very dumb but these games I found really philosophical and deep growing up Lol
The twist in 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors. Specifically the one that Zero was Akane, as so many other twists must be unraveled to even learn that. The narrator on the bottom screen(in the DS version) has been your childhood friend experiencing the same things 9 years ago and communicating with Junpei in the present to ensure her own existence is solidified. Gave me chills when I saw how it all came together and the music of that game is phenomenal at setting the tone.
I would've thought that "Spec ops : The line" would've made the cut.
Nothing about Abby was a shock? That was some of the laziest writing one could imagine, and literally the only feasible reason someone that young would know him by name.
i still think we should have been given the choice to kill abby or not -- because MY ellie would certainly have done that -- but no ... they took that choice away from the player
It's not a choice-based game. You knew that going into it.
I think the reveal of who Revan is in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic would have been a good one for this list.
I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the Megan reveal at the end of Deus Ex: Mankind Divided. That entire cutscene made me angry, sad, upset, depressed, and then angry again all at once.
life is strange episode 5 is one of those you just can't experience any where else.
I know right? Just a beautiful game all around.
Damn what about paladin danse in fallout 4?? Was expecting to see that here
There is no moral ambiguity between Joel and Abby. Joel killed people that were going to kill a child. Abby Ambushed, tortured, and murdered a man for preventing the death of a child. The two aren't remotely the same.
It's a little more complex than that. Joel killed her father, several others, and took away the one potential chance to save the world. You don't have to like it, but Abby's motivation was 100% understandable. That said, I would probably do the same in Joel's position, but like Joel, I'd do it while acknowledging that by saving one person I'd be dooming everyone else.
The morality of the situation is very much a matter of perspective.
FFVII was right there in the name…. “Re-Make”.
It’s English pedantry, but it was right there the whole time. They are Re-making the story. All bets are off in Rebirth.
Remember, it’s not just Zack and Aerith (for now, but who do we lose instead?) that are still alive. Biggs is still alive too who knows how he’ll take Jessie who he clearly loved & Wedge are dead pretty much because of cold and selfish Cloud, and Dyne made his way to Midgar to take Marlene.
I believe most people are generally too dumb to realize the difference between a remaster and a remake.
People also mistakenly believed that Cloud was emo in the original game. He wasn't emo, he was apathetic because he was going through a lot of it when we met him in the beginning of the original. Everyone knew about Aerith's death and wished she'd survive the whole story instead of much less popular characters like Jessie. The remake devs gave us exactly that and then wondered why we don't like what we've literally been asking for for a decade and a half at that point.
Edit: At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Rebirth isn't a direct sequel but instead the Remake treatment to Final Fantasy Crisis Core as the new story prequel to FFVII Remake.
What if Barret or Tifa dies instead of Aerith? The fans would lose it😂
We don't know for sure Wedge is dead. He survived his original death and last we saw him the whispers pushed him out a window but his body wasn't shown.
@@Daniel-oy6xq I don't think it's the people that play the games. I think the companies that make them confuse the definitions for marketing purposes
As much as FF7r takes the cake with its reveal, it was Stranger of Paradise that really connects the dots...
As much as people believed to be a darker-&-edgier prequel/remake of FF1, it's secretly connects to the lore of Dissidia regarding The Lufenians' experimentation of Cornelia, with many lands, even iconic ones, shifting into another land from the main-installments, such as The Water Shrine being FF7's Junon Reactor.
Even more so is that the MC, Jack Garland, actually co-conspire with the advance civilization, which resulted in him getting amnesiac by his dear-friend Astos because of Princess Sarah, started to see the ruse of this...
Finally Binary Domain is such an under rated game thanks for giving it some light
Bioshock Infinite is a great example of both an amazing twist (main story) and a terrible twist (Burial at Sea DLC) in one. I skip the DLC on replays now, since it ruins the logic of the entire franchise just to have fan service.
Are you...joking? The main story twists were super predictable, and while both the dlc's had screwball twists, they at least had twists.
When the true identities of the protagonists and the full sequence of events up to a certain point were revealed in AI: The Somnium Files - nirvanA Initiative, my jaw literally dropped. Having previously played through not only the first game in the Somnium Files series but also the entirety of the preceding Zero Escape series, and Ever17 some years before that (all of these games had the same head writer, Kotaro Uchikoshi), I thought I wouldn't have been quite so surprised even if I was thrown a curve ball, but I was wrong. (I did notice the way events in the game up to that point had been misrepresented, although I was very impressed with the exact structure of the events.)
Killer 7. The normally unplayable "cleaner" character who retrieves and revives the main characters when they die (apart from a few other parts), killed the actual Killer 7 team, Harmon, Kun Lan, and probably all of the ghost characters met in the game, and then went crazy and has been pretending to be all of these characters, carrying their weapons around in his giant briefcase. Oh, and the exposition character is also Kun Lan in bondage gear.
The ME3 ending that revealed that none of our choices mattered and that the ending was rushed.
I thought the Whispers were trying to keep the timeline as it is, as the three main Whispers at the end represent Cloud, Tifa, and Barret. Even going as far as trying to kill anyone who should have died but didn’t this time around. It was even shown when Arreth and I believe Marlen remember the original timeline somewhat.
The cake is not a lie. The Promise of Cake is a lie.
I like the twist in danganronpa V3. it was like 3 twists at once with each being crazier than the one before. They also played with expectations of who the mastermind was
FFX: a whole lot of people, including head honchos of the world's primary religion, had been dead all along.
Silent Hill Shattered Memories: though you play as Harry Mason throughout the game, the twist at the end that when you're talking to the psychiatrist, you're actually Cheryl.
And then there's Spec Ops: The Line.
The Bloody Baron quest in the Witcher 3 probably has to be one of my favorite missions in any game. Mark Addy (Robert Baratheon Game of thrones) and Doug Cockle (Geralt) had amazing chemistry and I was completely sucked into his families troubles.
Psy could probably back me out on this, since they're a fan of the Phoenix Wright series, but there are several plot twists there that can make this list.
However, the top one for me comes in Phoenix Wright: Spirit of Justice in where you find out the events that transpired in Turnabout Revolution and how Apollo's Stepfather kept a promise he made despite said events.
Knights of the Old Republic 1 where you find out that you've been Darth Revan the entire time
a skyrim mod game called ENDRAL twist still hunts me to this day .....ahhh WHY DID I REMMBERED IT again ?!!
For me it was Life is strange true colours were Jeff shots alex
What's the name of the first game in the intro? beating up bikers and construction workers.
Let's see. James killed Mary (SH2). Elizabeth set the events of Bioshock 1 into motion (Burial at Sea 2). Alex was never in the army, he was institutionalized after accidentally killing his brother, who was the one actually going to get sacrificed because his dad, whom Alex thought hated him, could not bring himself to sacrifice him (SH: Homecoming). The ones that come to mind right now.
“The brutal slaying by Allie and her crew.”
Don’t you mean Abby?
Ava instead of eva aswell. She probably did it first take and no one told her or they just went with it since it’s just a few names wrong
Yep. Abby, the woman with a cock.
Fallout 4 when you find out you went back to sleep 65 years and your son is now father of the institute
The Biggest twist, that I have experenced,
is when I noticed, that New World is almost unplayable in Singleplayer style.
Hmm...Well, I feel alive even after hearing all those reveals. So, it looks like I can't be stopped dead. Immortality! Whoot.
Legend of Dragoon. . .
( *_SPOILER_* )
Rose was the Black Monster.
11 year old me was _floored_
20-year-old me was shocked; and also the reason why that Spoiler happened.
Ovan in dot Hack GU Volume 2. Throughout the first and 3/4 of second game he was a close friend of Haseo if at times cryptic. Which makes the reveal that HE is not only the real Tri-Edge but also the one that put Shino in a coma is a massive shocker. Still dropps my jaw to this day. The knock off known as Sword Art Online WISHES it was that good.
The biggest shock for those games is that they decided to bring him back after all these years when they remade them.
@@GabePuratekuta His fate was the only plot thread left unanswered...
Its funny that they missed Braids ACTUAL twist. The princess and plot is about the Manhattan project. Once you get all the stars and do the final level and juke it to GET the princess she fuckin explodes as a nuke lol
Wild ARMs 1. Players were led to believe Rudy was hated because of his ability to use ARMs easily. Oh how everyone was surprised. Then there was Wild ARMs 3 ending. . .what punch to the gut that was. . .
Punch to the gut, eh? Well I'm currently replaying 1 again and yes when that twist first was revealed it was quite a shocker. I guess you have encouraged me to continue on with the series to try to finish WA2 and then (finally) play 3... Who doesn't like a good gut punch now and then, right? 😅 And, I know it's a really old game now, but no spoilers please! 🤫
How did you have this list and not include soma?
Nothing about the Revan reveal in KotOR?! To quote Gary Oldman in Fifth Element: "I. AM. VERY. DISAPPOINTED!!!"
For me it was in Kena: Bridge of spirits when you learn that the siblings were dead
There is no reassessing, Joel did it to save someone and shot them for a comparatively painless death. Abby went out of her way for revenge and was torturing a person. Even Ellie shows no plans to torture Abby. Abby is the only one who tortured anyone.
Joel murders dozens of people to save Ellie *who wanted to do it*. Ellie (and Co) murder every single friend Abby had. There aren't any heroes in this franchise.
I get that people put themselves into Joel's shoes and ignored obvious things like his PTSD over his daughter that leads him to snap and go on a murderous rampage, or that before the series he did horrible things because of it as well, but if you can't reassess when the franchise hands you the ways to do so then, well, it's on you, not the franchise.
@SenecaRaine it was never stated Ellie both knew she was going to die and wanted to do it beforehand. Also, the only reason he killed dozens was so there was gameplay to get through.
No one is the hero, I just choose to not betray the people I am familiar with by feeling bad for a torturous psychopath, Abby, like so many others. If everyone is equally bad, which they basically are, why decide to switch sides when they give Abby a sob story just like everyone else has?
@@cppblankThank you.
@@cppblank Who said you have to "switch sides"? You can hate what Abby did, but still understand why she did it.
@tron9683 it's the moment and people that take that thought, run with it and, in many cases start to consider her the hero that I am talking about. I get if people get to a point where they just think everyone is equally evil and kind of hates them all or at least their actions, but the moment people get too far with liking Abby they are basically condoning the fact she is the only character that tortures someone in the whole series and that person is the one you were meant to supposedly care about.
In portal, if you listen to the cake sphere, you will find the cake’s base is actually cement.
How can we beware of spoilers if you don't tell us ahead of time which games are going to be spoiled? You five right in to the spoiler before saying which game it's from.
The cake was never a lie in Portal. " Apature Science would like to remind you that you will be baked. And then there will be cake." Notice the promise of cake there. YOU WILL BE BAKED. And Remember GLADOS does after all try to get us to lay down and get burnt up by a fire. In other words baked. WE are the reason there is no cake. So the cake is real we just don't get to see it because we failed the final challenge to get it.
on point 9, NO, there is a huge difference between joel killing abby father who was about to kill Ellie, he confronted joel making clear the stakes, abby on the other hand, execute joel, who was not a treat for anyone, they did nit come to save anyone, they had numbers, they had him in the ground, and then execute him, these are completely different situations, abby is in no moment heroic, here
Odin wasn’t steps ahead 😂 he ruined his whole plan cause he got mad at Brock lmao
10. i'm surprised he didn't know his own daughter.
8. yeah, that's how it happened.
3. it's always a lie.
2. i was shocked when shepard kill both roach and ghost.
Would you kindly...
Learning that you are Darth Revan in SWKOTOR
7remake's entry is half right. But Aerith died later in the timeline so it *could* still happen
Uhh, Of course Aerith is still alive. They've only left Midgar. I bet Disc 2 will be ended with her death, and Disc 3 will be time travel shenanigans to finally fulfill the wishes of fans to resurrect her for the finale. But PC players will have had it spoiled beyond all palpable interest by the time they release...
......oh, you mean "dead" as in "brain dead." Literally none of these were shocking, unless you thought Elizabeth was a love interest and Bioshock Infinite was going to pull an Oldboy.
Silent Hill 2 should be at least an honorable mention.
A top twist list without even an honorable mention for KOTOR?
Am I the only one who noticed the commentator saying 'Ally and her crew' at 2:06? You'd think you'd pick such a thing up in editing...
Dragons dogma when you discover the motto the end is the beginning.
How did anyone not realize that Tyr was evil? I found that twist to be completely obvious the way he was acting.
Thank you!!
Finally, someone else gets it.
If that was actually Tyr, he would have been traumatised about his imprisonment. Odin gave himself away by going on and on about it. He just wouldn't shut up.
@@lizziewhitby-davies2472 But the real Tyr wasn't traumatized though, not in the way that Odin acted him out to be, at least.
@@tron9683That's where Odin got it wrong and gave himself away.
How do you know Tyr wasn't traumatised? In your mind, was he supposed to show it? A Norse God of War who is the epitome of strength wouldn't want to show that he was suffering from trauma. He didn't want to show that he was (in his eyes) weak.
The cake was never a lie, she only lied that she was going to share it.
Tyr-Odin “bonding” with the rest of the gang is a bit of a stretch
Persona 5 Royal when you realize she never told you her name.
Hold on. Isn't that completely the opposite of what the whispers were trying to do?
12 Minutes' ending wasn't bad.
What was that game in the first ten seconds in the very beginning?
So the cake wasn't a lie!!!
what was the first game in the first few seconds of the video?
Ken Levine is underrated
Really he's not
🤯 I've gone how many years thinking it was pronounced "Chell", not like "Shell"