Street Fighter 6 Season 2 balance changes have been reported - Demonstrations and Implications
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- Опубликовано: 16 июн 2024
- With Akuma on May 22nd comes the season 2 balance patch, but at a location test with the Akuma build in Japan, players are reporting balance changes present. These changes may in fact be what we see for the final Season 2 update. Of course none of these changes are confirmed, and may not be present in the final build. I go through and demonstrate what all reported changes are and their implications.
0:00 - Intro
1:33 - Drive Reversal changes
10:37 - Back throw changes
12:35 - Ryu
14:38 - Chun-Li
18:08 - DeeJay
20:03 - Blanka
22:02 - Cammy
23:55 - Honda
26:32 - Luke
28:51 - Guile
30:10 - JP
32:11 - AKI
36:17 - Jamie
39:40 - Zangief
41:01 - Kimberly
42:34 - Rashid
43:16 - Ken
44:23 - Manon
45:09 - Lily
45:32 - Rest of cast
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Ok balance_f
this took an honest laugh out of me, ngl
actual good one
Brian_F is waiting and horny for this balance Patch as he furviously scurries the internet for the offical notes he hard grips his penis with his left hand and hard rubs it because he is anxious for this patch to come to pass
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lily getting nerfed is actually hilarious
In a cosmic sort of way yes
She deserves to die and be gone of the game
Not confirmed. Even the source added a (maybe?) to it because they're more unsure about that than the other things.
It literally says (maybe) so no confirmed Lily nerfs bro. Also even if it was it's just a hurtbox thing bro
As a shid player, and just read “universal meter build” just, made ma laugh
I think the meter changes to lvl2s are for super meter to put them more in line with installs which don't allow you to gain meter while they are ticking down, not drive gauge.
Surprising there's no intel about a character as popular as Juri.
They are clearly hiding tech 😂
to be fair, I feel like the only change she needs is to do with her drive rush, which is pretty hard to eyeball. She's otherwise pretty well balanced
@@MysticColorsAttackI agree. She’s really good but really honest 😊
@@jaealxndrgrounded fireball + unsafe specials canceled into safe special not honest bro no top tier is honest just live with it stop coping
@@bigjc5546 she has good frames but when she won evo it wasn’t cheap or unfair. Be fr
Drive reversal changes mean Gief (and Lily, Manon, etc) will have an actual option when clobbered in the corner. Gief life about to get better.
Clobbered lol
Kimberly mains might not afk when in the corner now. W
Lily and Manon have decent lv1 supers to escape corner, so it may not move the needle for them.
@@Aggrofool like half the cast can whiff jab on Lily lv1 and block in time lol, super is slow af
@@Aggrofool Meanwhile in Giefland...
I really like the new Drive reversal changes, it creates a sorta paper-rock-scissors with block, drive options, and grabs, it will bring a whole new dimension to the mental stack every decision has
Don't forget perfect parry
The Drive Reversal buffs are almost certainly a massive W.
Its practically the same thing still get punished into another guessing game
@KTC12490 it's not the same for a character that currently has nothing. Every option has risk and can be punished.
@misterkeebler explain how its different
@@goldsage4722 as a sim main I can confirm that having a "get off me" that isn't my level 2 or 3 is a big change
Might not be. Being able to do it raw off wakeup is interesting to counter throw loops, but some characters can't start a meaningful punish off their 6 frame buttons. If they can't punish it properly, the opponent basically gets none to small risk off trying to interrupt every string.
If they go after Cammy like that, and dont go after Ken and DeeJay, or Help Lily, im not going to doing anything except sit here and be mad.
not even whine on twitter?!??! do u even /r/kappa bro?
Ken is not op bro stop ducking crying holy hell
@@TypicalBlakk the shitters just cant stop bro
Change ken for luke
@@TypicalBlakkbetter than cammy thats for sure
Obviously this is a special occasion, but I definitely wouldn't mind more long videos like this!
if luke gets away with it once again im gonna cry and piss myself
I think the problem is not Luke become T0 or not, it is you/my main is T0 or not
I feel like the drive reversal changes may be big enough that we don't know as much anymore. It will fundamentally alter Ken and Luke if everything Brian describes indeed changes. At least, it seems that way from here.
Edit - I am not calling him weak or below xyz or anything. Just that it'll be worth seeing how that alone plays out before declaring anything. Let alone the rest.
I don't really care if Luke doesn't get nerfed as long as other characters get buffed to the point where Luke is no longer top 5 or even top 10
So luke is the new "THE GAME IS SO UNBALANCED" boogie man? 🙄
Luke is the Silly Jimmy meme. Some retard decided to make that obnoxious twat the protagonist, so he'll never be below A-tier.
this analysis on drive reversal is top shelf. thanks!
Great vid. And congrats on the win!
Bruhhh no akuma nerfs? No wayyy this character is preemptively broken
The level 2 meter gain nerf is already a pre-emptive nerf since Gouki's SA 2 causes wall splat.
Imagine complaining about a character before they are even officially released lol
@@TheeFungUsAmongUs sometimes it's reasonable for example look at android 21 lab coat
He’s lowest health tho
@@TheeFungUsAmongUsS A R C A S A M
one of the most detailed videos on the patch so far, thanks
Great video! One small thing - I think Aki's coward crouch dive is actually only upper-body invincible right now. So there's currently no situation she can jump over Juri's fireball. Hopefully that changes if it's fully invul for Season 2.
You may have to time heavy cruel fate, when they least expect it
I'm so happy that jamie got those normal buffs, it's crazy how spot on they were with those. Now you can meaty with crmp or use it in situations where you would lose to di, react and cancel which he can't do reliably with his mp, or hp. But man the od command grab makes me so damn sad, i already gotta get 3 drinks for it
True but with the throw drink buff he gets his drinks pretty quickly now
That thumbnail is one of the best things to come from this balance patch
Amazing video! Thank you very much.
Great video Brian, just a thing, I think in the translations from HiFight he means that Level 2 supers won't allow for super meter gain with follow ups, instead of what you mention that is drive meter Cheers!
Excellent breakdown!!!
The Kikoken strength Chun-Li uses to walk or Drive Rush behind is not the Heavy version-she uses Light/Medium for that. The Heavy version travels very fast, but it dissipates much quicker, so it's more common for Chuns to use this version as a far-reaching "poke" of sorts, rather than something to walk behind. I imagine it's very annoying to deal with this move at the mid range, so they nerfed the recovery to prevent people from harassing people too much with it.
also, i find it super funny how whenever people try demonstrating how "easy" it is to confirm chun's 4/6mp, they simply can't get it lol
cant have something thats unique and effective right
Love the in-depth video's, you're the SF people's scientist!
Note that Manon already can combo a lot of things off OD QCF kick, so still not sure what's the gain about this change.
This change makes it a natural combo rather than just a punish (and counter-hit? Idk) combo. Since b.HP also is a natural combo to itself you could be looking at, say, meaty b.HP b.HP into a lot of good juggle combos off of EX Grand Fouetté.
The changes to drive reversal are good news for Zangief, but would still like to see some air-invulnerability added to lariat (or at least OD lariat?)
Bye bye Throw loop, all hail Drive Reversal. This is such a great change BTW
I think the biggest thing about the drive reversal change is that a lot of 6 frames tend to not be very big so if you're shimmying someone and they drive reversal on wake up you might end up out of range to even punish but up close you can punish it. making drive reversal beat both throw AND shimmies at the cost of 2 sticks of drive gauge
I'm so excited for those Ryu changes, getting to keep denjin for hasho combos and still throw fireballs would be so nice
maybe by -2f at throw range what they mean is that if you're in throw range with jamie so pretty much face to face and you palm, you end up with a -2 frame, is what i understood.
Yea.. lets wait for the official change list, im sure theres a lot that hasnt been discovered.
Yeah and also, isn't the "try Akuma" event until May 6th? Theres gonna be much stuff that will be reported the next few days and just like with the capcom cup patch people are gonna say stuff that isn't really true but they believe to be true
You're wrong about the implications on the Chun changes. You can't walk behind Heavy fireball; it's too fast. Chun walks behind her light fireball. Also, the meter gain on S2 is not for drive rush meter. You see she doesn't gain any back during the combo. It's super meter they're likely reducing. You can use super 2 and gain half a bar of super with the follow up, so you can use super 2 twice in the third round pretty easily as Chun. They'll likely add super meter proration after s2.
You can gain drive meter after super 2 if you don't use drive rush to combo into it. Example if you do 2mk drc 4hp super 2 it won't gain drive meter. If you just do a 4mp into super you can recover drive meter during the air juggle.
@Corbear41 True. What I meant is she doesn't gain any significant amount of dr meter during super 2. Not anything that would be considered a problem.
i have no problem with the fireball or sa 2 nerf but her 4mp nerf is bs
@@ebby3215 idk how I feel about the fireball nerf. If low forward xx hp fireball is no longer safe on block, the chun literally has no block string enders that are safe on block.
@@link6913 ur so right i forgot
Why can't i hear
Edit: hearing has been restored
Me too 😂
I just realized if Jamie spaces his lunging punch move he might be -1 or 0 on block
Pretty sure "meter gain" nerfs with SA2 are for super meter not drive. So you can't get half of a bar back in Chun combo post SA2 for example
One of Gief's few ways to get Oki was after back throw...😭
People should have been using crouch throw instead of back throw anyway because Gief can't shimmy after corner backthrow. Low key this is actually a buff if Gief 2 Throw isn't changed because people will start using the already better option.
If you think I'm joking, literally watch how many times top Gief players either lose the corner to forwards jump or perfect parry after 4 throw. That kind of RPS is actually something Gief often can't afford, whereas 2 Throw lets you actually anti air while still being plus enough to whiff punish with L/M SPD.
That fly on the wall is part of the content
A lil homie
great news, will finally have a reason to use drive reversal for the first time
I'm glad they're rewarding players who are smart, with their drive gauge, in the next patch. Kind of wild that players could overextend their offense and have little to no downsides.
Damn when they said my man was silenced I didn't think they meant literally 😭😭
The only thing i want for Manon is to give her 1 extra frame to counter crouching LP on hit so it can be link to standing LK. Sooo many times its been the only thing i can do to get my turn back but its so short that it usually doesnt link to itself.
Brine has to be ecstatic about the death of edmond honda
The meter changes for SA2 are on Super meter, not the Drive meter.
Yes drive reversal is so big for gief, being able to get someone off you is huge
lol Honda getting a great mp that is also plus means he’s a better Manon now.
... except Honda st mp is 10 frames and his grab is much worse
Heabdutt
Anything is better than Manon, even a fat man in a diaper 🤣
@@XEndlessSteelXthat fat man in a diaper would be one of the most intimidating characters irl
The chun change would also mean 4/6mp is also worse as a poke because the di cancel window is smaller. It was already a good poke though so it's not like it's the end of the world.
What in the hell, why Lily get a nerf? Why?!! She was not enough bottom tier???!
Not confirmed
Lily nerfs. Because that's what we needed.
It's not confirmed and also who cares cause it's literally just a whiff hurtbox change. Anyone can get hurtbox change for good reason. Doesnt affect her tier at all
Wind gods have completely ditched her
@@CrystalMang0Thats the issue. She needs some buffs. Nothing change is already painful, much more painful if she got nerfed, no matter how small it is.
@@CrystalMang0she needs just straight up buffs, zero nerfs.
@@Cosmoman78 what she needs is a complete rework. Right now her current kit makes her a TERRIBLE match up for gief, probably one of his worst and hes already a bottom tier if not the very bottom. They need to change how she works instead of buffing her to make her a terrible matchup for everybody like runaway zoners like Ed.
Just hope reversal can actually beat spinning knuckle.
But more wanted, everyone should have consistent anti airs
@39:44 I wonder if he meant "is now a true blockstring", but miss typed it.
an idea maybe you could get one of your viewers that play the characters to showcase some of the things you haven't learned like the DJ lvl 2 stuff or chun li combos.
Brian is the second person ive seen use 4MP>4HP for Ken's target combo in this game
I am all for anything really that kind a helps against throw loops tbh..
If they don't make Zangief, Lilly, Honda or Manon competitive, they're probably going to lose me. I'm sick of watching the same characters all the time in tournaments. They'll probably just sell us new OP characters instead.
Same to me
Capcom Grappler Tax ™ You gotta pay up.
Do you though? Because the list of characters is like 9 long with occasional surprises almost every tournament
@@doctordice2doctordice210 top 8 for evo was literally 3 kens, 2 lukes, 2 jp, 2 blanka, a chun li and a guile. thats 5 top tiers, 5 zoner types near top tier and chun-li who people also say it top tier when played well. Its not a very diverse group.
@@ethangonzalez9265 yeah but that's one tournament, I guess rashid and juri winning tournaments means nothing
Kimberly changes are great
I've noticed zero anti air mentions. I sincerely hope bunch of anti airs got buffed.
It is very underwhelming
they mentioned DJ's got nerfed, what's wrong with current AA's? Or do you mean normal moves?
@@gameclips5734 so a lot of the weaker characters really have dysfunctional anti airs right now. Gief is notorious for having level 1 super whiff, and his lariat loses upper body air invincibility as soon as the move becomes active, resulting in trades over clean anti air hits and he can't do anything after a cHP hit. Both AKI and Dhalsim have long horizontal anti airs that are too slow to actually use as anti airs (medium whip, back HP). AKI has bunch of dead zones on her anti air. Jamie's need to be timed weirdly because his anti air hits so low to the ground.
For moves designed as anti airs, they either whiff or trade against air a lot.
@@HellecticMojo i'd argue that some AA's are designed to be less consistent, especially ones with very simple inputs like gief's lariat. They also fixed his SA1 already? I thought AKI used heavy whip for AA which looks pretty fast to me and she has normal options. Dhalsim is a zoner with lots of options to keep the opponent out, i think giving him even more easy AA normals would just make the character unbalanced. Idk much about jamie's DP but I could believe it's awkward to use.
Honda’s certainly didn’t. I’m honestly worried that this headbutt nerf is going to completely kill using light headbutt as an anti air
Really wish they wouldnt make Drive Reversal 6+HP+HK. It should be like V-Shift and use MK+HP or something.
Capcom: "Juri won the Capcom Cup. so, No soup for you!"
Why did Honda's headbutt get nerfed but Blanka's blanka ball remained the same? Is there something I'm missing?
I am excited for Ryu buff!! On the other hand, Honda getting nerfs are crazy, like WTF?? Honda already has issues even in his current state, which make him barely competitive. They really dead set on making him a joke character?
He is already a joke character that’s why they are nerfing his braindead stuff.
Hopefully they give him some buffs in other areas to make him a real character
they only nerfed the scrubby aspects of the character, not stuff that good players will care about
@@gameclips5734 the problem is Hondas only good stuff is the scrubby stuff.
@@kye4216 good honda players don't just spam headbutt and sumo slam even though the changes barely affects those moves anyway
@@gameclips5734 the changes absolutely cripple headbutt you can just punish it with a jump now.
my question is why is drive reversal so slow?
The quality of life change for Cammy's level two is actually not a great one because the input now overlaps with spin knuckle, meaning you cannot buffer spin knuckles for free without getting SA2 on accident. So that's a third nerf, imo.
Strange that she gets three nerfs despite such little representation on the top level.
Chun players told me HP Kikoken was nerfed on the Ed build too 🙃
my 2 favorites got buffs
(jaime and kimberly)
Chun and Cammy getting nerfed yet Luke ken pretty much unchanged? Hah ain't no way right? Right? There has to be more lol 😅
these are just things people noticed, what are you talking about?
Ken already got nerfed its Cammys turn
dude thinking about sfv, ken's tc is standing mp hp not back mp.
Instead of drive reversal on wake up i would've liked a drive shift mechanic like v-shift. Make it wake up only.
This is already so much for stuff found in training mode
Dj,ken,luke,jp and ed nerf notes should be an entire paragraph
Interesting that they did that to head butt which you can PP,but blanka which PP his ball most characters not punishing it with .he should of gotten the same nerf
I hear ya, but you gotta do deejay lvl 2 and do both enders
Odd they nerfed H kikouken instead of M or L since those are the ones she can follow behind
-6 on drive reversal sucks lol. This benefits faster characters with 6 frame mediums and hurts everybody else.
Just make it 0 on block or keep it -8.
I'll take that for lily. Its gonna be a big help for me.
Thank God I play with everybody😂❤
It will be nice to see the developers thoughts behind the changes, like "we think Lily is too OP because of this and that so we neefed her" or " we really dont want anyone to play this character, so we nerfed her"
Do you think these are real? Those buffs would be really good for Aki.
I just wanna know if they're even gonna bother with the input problems. Still waiting 😂
Ok, I dont really like the changes on Drive reversal, now can be abused if opponent is burnout without consecuences
I guess all my labbing to see what blocked moves Deejay can punish with jackknife was for naught lol.
It wasn't for naught. It's still really useful info for this patch, it's unfortunate that it'll change soon, but it'll still be useful knowledge until the 22nd
I am going to assume there are more changes. I am hoping for less nerfs and less and less. Ive been saying this all along, more buffs, less nerfs. As a Ken main, I feel he works perfect as his intended strategy. Why not make other characters work on the same level? Give them some better normals here and there, add some variants to their specials for more uses, noticed some characters simply have light, medium and strong on a special and nothing much from it changes other than range or speed or damage, whereas utility is also important. Like Ryu, he has light tatsu for creating space, medium for corner carry, high tatsu for corner swap. These are very important tools that can be used in different situations.
More buffs, less nerfs. I am still of this opinion.
But the way this is going I am not so sure I should be happy or not. The wake up reversal is a huge deal and I can't wait to try it out. The rest all mostly sounds like nerfs rather than buffs except for Ryus' denjin change. I didn't see the entire video but I saw other videos out there too and it feels skewed more to nerfs than buffs.
So I am expecting to see more nerfs for Ken as well. I mean, again as a Ken main I see a nerf here that is total scrub bait, you are practically checking if someone is mindlessly spamming you. They nerf this? Really? THIS? This is like saying "we see some players are playing Mashing Fighter 6, so we will incentivize them to continue doing it by taking away a punish against mashing".... Which makes me wonder, wtf else are they going to nerf on Ken if they would even nerf something as ridiculous as this?
There is a chance its the only nerf, but I also doubt this. I doubt this is the final version that we will get in a month from now.
On a side note, its not even a nerf in some occasions. Reason being that they could interupt with invincible reversals after that initial medium punch so now if they are in block stun it makes it safer to start your target combo and go into jinrai kick if it doesn't land etc. So depending on the situation, its not even a clear nerf, its a buff for Ken in those cases, and a nerf for scrub checks...
Idk, seems like the dumbest change ever and if this is the only change Ken will get (which it wont), we will not hear the end of the whining for another year. Omggggg, Ken is so brooookeeeeen. Yeah, stfu.
At least Akuma will be out and people will be complaining about someone else for a change.
Problem is, I am probably switching to Akuma too. lol. Talk about hearing whining all day long.
Why can't they simply just buff the other cast more? Do we need to bring the top level down to the lower levels? Can't we for once have a situation where we bring the lower levels up to the top levels? Just a thought.
I wish blanka ball hase same treatment as Honda headbutt.
This thumbnail is evil
I was only joking that Hibiki would get Lily nerfed, I didn't expect it to actually happen LMAO
well we dont know if it happened all of this is pretty up in the air rn
Making Lily's cr.HP even more punishable is such bullshit. It's one of her few actually strong normals and you can just drive impact her when you see her do it. Hopefully the full patch notes will show buffs to her other normals.
Waiting 1 year for a patch and we get this. fkin comedy
You're an absolute clown. This doesn't cover anywhere near the full patch that'll come out because 1) it's an Akuma demo build 2) this is after a day on the demo build.
No buffs for Lily?!?! That means all I can do is wait for that R Mika dlc I guess smhhhh
Rashid ❤❤❤
Cliff size grains of salt taken on stuff like this. There's no way the only change happening to Lily is a nerf. Literally her only good button that can lead into a special without meter/stocks gets nerfed, they have to give something somewhere else to compensate.
Goodbye Honda
The chun li medium punch nerf is WAYYY TOO MUCH bruh.
Like omg your telling me Ken, Luke and Ryu and alot of the cast can have the mediums and heavy that can snipe you and take up most of the screen (we all know how Ken's hp feels), but chuns heavy is extremely situational and long startup and recovery, doesn't combo already, and you get hit out of it by everything. So we also need to nerf chuns only good utility button?? Wayyy too much imo
-yes I am crying
I think these balances played out due to the wake up drive reversals and drive reversals being minus 6. However I'm not sure why nerf game play of less successful characters and nerf the "fun" of gimmick characters. Majority of the gimmick characters struggles to win. I will say I like the idea of a guessing game from knock down. Kind of remind me of the older sf vs getting rolled over and at best resetting neutral depending on the character. Its no surprise Luke isnt nerfed. I hate to say this and even capcom admitted they do play favorites. Ryu was bad but thats bad for business now Luke and Ryu can share the same stage. Zangief got another small buff and and explanation we already knew. However one small step could turn into one large leap in the right way for gief. Thats the only char im concerned with.
if JP only have sa2 nerf, and some change side combo still exist but may have less damage (less 200-300 in average)
It may not be a nerf for JP with the existance of new drive reversal.
But anyway this make 22k more useless, I will rather do drive reversal instead of 22k in most cases
Celebrating nerfs on Honda is just mean, what is this big boi hate...😢
We only hate big bois who keep sitting on people without consent 😂
@@XEndlessSteelX ah, good point.
For Luke's bhk nerf he loses a whopping 300 damage. Which is negligible
He this became true, Honda&Lily dont exist anymore.
Why nerf Lily!? Come on Capcom what the heck? SHE'S BOTTOM TIER!
Not confirmed in the slightest
Capcom Grappler Tax ™
ANGRY COMMENT ABOUT SOL
Dhalsim approves of wake-up DR
so 8 lukes in top 8?
Lily not getting ANYTHING major is such a mistake
It's the first day of the event, the people get 10 mins to play for their session, and Lily isn't a very popular character, especially in Japan. We gotta wait longer than this to judge any possible changes.
I always imagine Lily doesnt get much cause as weak as she can be she is one buff away from being broken if that makes sense.
This is nowhere near the complete patch notes
You barely had some reports of a trial version of the game. Calm down and take a hot chocolate...
No one plays Lily. I doubt there’s a single Lily main at the event to use their 10 mins testing her over playing Akuma.
What about Raw Drive Rush???
Don’t tell me it has not been nerfed !!
why would it be nerfed.