That was funny 11. But dravidians is my fav civ and they are truly very comfortable to play with. You can go agresive in the early game and/or u can wall soon. Good archers and skirms, good infantry. Its not that easy to beat dravidians.
@@emilianosebastianbarquinji5189 What? Why? 😅Then again, I don't like infantry civs so what do I know... 😅😅😅 I still feel there are a lot better infantry civs out there though..
@@naveendennis its not an only infantry tho. In low elo games u can go 2 ranges and blacksmith immediatly and 1 or 2 spears and go attack pretty soon. U can also go scouts into archers. Towers and skirms. And yeah, in some cases (mostly imp age) you can switch and spam infantry. Give it a chance 11
HEAR ME OUT: *Viper vs Hera tournament. Best of 5* --- T90 casting. Viper every match Dravidians & Hera Random. Map = Random If Viper wins then Hera changes profile pic for *one month* to "Viper wins awesome with Dravidians". If Hera wins then Viper changes profile pic for *one month* to "I suck when playing Dravidians"!!!! My bet will be on Viper.
Guys, I have made the same comment on Hera's video, titled: TheViper: “Dravidians Are Great” & T90's latest video titled: The Most Important Ship (Low Elo Legends) Help me push this idea to those 2 as well. Like and reply to my comments over there. Let's goooooo!!!!
Statistician chiming in here! (Love the video, btw!) At 3:31 you can see his total games played and won. In this dataset he has an overall win rate across all civilizations of about 64% based on 1,280 games. His win rate with Dravidians is about 61%, technically making them a slightly-below-average Civ for him. However, with only 23 games played as the Dravidians, there is a lot of uncertainty around that 61% number. Just taking the data at face-value implies a 50-50 chance that his his long-term win rate with Dravidians could be as high as 69% (Turks) or as low as 52% (Bohemians).
I was going to make a comment on the dravidians win video , something like ‘yes viper, you can force any civ to be good, because you carry them!’ Hera seems to have had the same thought haha
It's good that this js peak AOE2 drama compared to the other toxic games. A reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reactiom is what we call a chain reaction 😅
Viper also rates Burmese as a good civ. In fact most pros rate Burmese as not a bottom to tier civ. It’s hard to play and certainly not op, but is a very good civ.
One of the poll options was 'double elephant los'. The idea was for it to be added IN ADDITION to the healing effect(IE, elephants regen 30 hp and have 2x LOS) so they can see monks coming sooner, and thereby make medical corps more worth it earlier on.
Let's be real. Only way to really settle this now is two Bo21 sets between Hera and TheViper, where one set Hera goes only Dravidians and next Bo21 TheViper goes only Dravidians.
The important thing to remember is that the recent showcase game vs the cataphracts was about the Urumi specifically, not the civ. The unit, which Hera said sucked, is insane when massed and teched up and can blitz through units it 'shouldn't'. Civ itself should be a separate debate.
I remembered when some parts of the community were still screaming loudly before the release about how OP the Urumi would be... So far they haven't been nerfed if I'm not mistaken For an infantry unit it is very strong, it even defeats the samurai. the unit that was actually supposed to fight unique ones^^
This video is the resurrection of the #clearly meme After all, the Dravidians case is being misrepresented Clearly All jokes aside, usually in those losses there were... other factors contributing to the loss rather than the civ. Like the opponent playing really well.
I had this exact argument on reddit with a guy, that dravidians suck and viper never wins with them. I went back and looked at all tournament games viper had with dravidians. He has 1 or 2 wins against barles and someone else, but someone you would expect viper to beat. Against all other top 10 players he lost with them. I don't understand why viper chooses them
Could not see this video cuz i dont have earphones. But all i am looking forward to is Hera’s reaction to this video and Viper’s reaction to that video.
I'm not sure if you ever do this, but I've found that Longswords will not trade well with knights beyond like 6v3. BUT if you split just before engaging and then attack from two directions, you can win fights with up to like 10v20! Might be a handy trick to master given LS theoretically counter the knight/skirm comp!
Dravidians Liquipedia page shows the last 10 Dravidian matches in tournaments. The one's shown at this moment have 6 1v1's: T90 Titans League 3: Gold League | El Dorado | Nili vs Kasva | *WIN* T90 Titans League 3: Gold League | Migration | Nicov vs Hearttt | *WIN* The Champions Invitational | Cup | TheViper vs Yo | *LOSS* The Champions Invitational || Cup | Hera vs Vinchester | *WIN* The Champions Invitational | Kawasan | TheViper vs TaToH | *WIN* T90 Titans League 3: Gold League | Migration | Hearttt vs Sebastian | *LOSS* 6 games is anecdotal to draw conclusions from, but I think 4 out of 6 makes it at least not as bad as Hera makes it out to be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I personally feel like Dravidians is a wild card civ, not great but not bad either, I don't see the problem with Urumi Swordsmen, the problem is getting there in the first place
1:10 Hera's video says that clip is from the Admirals League 2 tournament, but it's actually from The Champions Invitational. Hera's video is invalidated.
@@flandrinelextensionniste6490 well, where's the replacement for cavalry Archer then? EAs are slow as balls. They are never replacements for knight line
Ahhhh, Hera can be SO MEAN! 🤗 But you handle his trash-talk with good grace, Sir. 🥰 Well played by TheViper 🐍! 👍 I can't play the Dravidians, BTW... M 🦘🏏😎
While this is all fun, I think someone has to point out that "urumi strong" does not mean "dravidian strong". Great civs can have weak UUs and weak civs can have good UUs.
AoE2: Hi all, next patch Dravidians will get Buff🎉 Me: Viper bro, Hera didn't subscribe you on RUclips 😅😂😂. You both are legends of AoE2. Keep doing this kind of stuff.. All the best 🎉🎉
I edited this Hera video, and after seeing the final verdict that Lord DauT just gave, they will have to buff the Dravidians soon, especially the Urumis 111111111111 😅😝 Oh, and I'm a Viper subscriber, just like Hera is, the beginning of the video is in an anonymous tab 1111
Well tbf, you didn't say "Dravidians are amazing", you said "Urumis are amazing" and Hera said "Urumis suck" so... You're still right, yes, I'm fanboying.
This can only be solved by a show match best of anything, e.g.: Bo3 Dravidians mirror Bo3 Dravidians agaist your worst choice Bo3 Dravidians agaist your best choice Bo3 Dravidians agaist your Hera's worst choice Bo3 Dravidians agaist your Hera's choice Btw. You exactly named Civs your stats of Dravidians are better for you, that are not very good neither , according to Hera's latest Tierliste (4 weeks ago): Slavs D-Tier Bohemians low C-Tier Japanese B-Tier, (I also kind to remember that they perform very poorly in tournaments in 2023) Wheresa he sees Drividians actually B-Tier... :)
If you know how to play infantry and siege like Viper then you will like them, but if your bad at it like Hera then you just blame it on infantry and how bad it is.
i think you need to stand your ground on this, the last video you made was about the urumis specifically and not about the civ, dravidians. Hera is unequivocally wrong about the urumis. They RULE! I've never seen a pro player be so wrong about something and still continue to push the stupidity. Idk what that guy's problem is. Dravidians as a civ, on the other hand are mid on land and one of the best on water. Stfu hera, you will always be second to viper.
If only you and Hera were at a similar level, the top 2 players in the world and had some kind of way of playing some series against each other to determine whether they're good or not. If only there was some way you could prove your point Viper. oh well, I guess we'll never know.
Anyone remember when Nilli made the "knights counter pikemen" video where he poked fun at Hera's take out of context? Hera complained about the video so much that Nilli had to take it down. Seems very hypocritical of Hera. Good to see Viper (the GOAT) is good humored and we get to enjoy this sort of fun content.
This is war! Na, jokes. This series has been hilarious. Very heart warming to see the best player in the world be so humble. Edit: Anyone else reminded of T90, during his moustache days, with the Urumi Swordsmen?
I find it curious how Hera is changing the focus of the subject to his convenience. Hera had said that the urumi swordsman is a very bad unique unit, viper refuted this and Hera's counter-argument is to say that Viper has a very bad win rate with the Dravidians. I'm surprised that the world's top 1 in elo doesn't know the difference between a civilization and its unique unity.
Because it's just a joke banter between Hera and Viper, they are not trying to be super nerdy and come up with detail arguments like what you think he should be doing.
What I find curious is you either don't realize or can't accept that this is friendly banter. You expect top of the line argumentation in aoe2 meme videos on youtube that are meant to entertain the audience?
Such selective data, only showing the parts where Viper lost as Dravidians. Fairness is 404. It's almost like looking at a child desperately trying to win a counter argument. 11
Clearly TheViper is trying to convince everyone Dravidian is good because he has a great win rate against it.
That was funny 11.
But dravidians is my fav civ and they are truly very comfortable to play with. You can go agresive in the early game and/or u can wall soon. Good archers and skirms, good infantry. Its not that easy to beat dravidians.
7/10 strategy, I like it
@@emilianosebastianbarquinji5189 What? Why? 😅Then again, I don't like infantry civs so what do I know... 😅😅😅 I still feel there are a lot better infantry civs out there though..
Play Dravidians he said. They'll do great he said.
@@naveendennis its not an only infantry tho. In low elo games u can go 2 ranges and blacksmith immediatly and 1 or 2 spears and go attack pretty soon. U can also go scouts into archers. Towers and skirms. And yeah, in some cases (mostly imp age) you can switch and spam infantry. Give it a chance 11
HEAR ME OUT: *Viper vs Hera tournament. Best of 5* --- T90 casting.
Viper every match Dravidians & Hera Random.
Map = Random
If Viper wins then Hera changes profile pic for *one month* to "Viper wins awesome with Dravidians".
If Hera wins then Viper changes profile pic for *one month* to "I suck when playing Dravidians"!!!!
My bet will be on Viper.
Push.
This needs to get decided on the field of honor 😁
Yes please
Guys, I have made the same comment on Hera's video, titled: TheViper: “Dravidians Are Great” & T90's latest video titled: The Most Important Ship (Low Elo Legends)
Help me push this idea to those 2 as well. Like and reply to my comments over there. Let's goooooo!!!!
Where can we donate to the pot?
THIS!!!
Only one way to end this drama. Best of 21, you only get Dravidians.
Best of 42 😅 why stop with 21 .. 11
😂
I like this idea. Viper vs hera, hosted by t90 or memb for best of 9 if not 21 @theviper @hera_gameplay @t90official @membtv
This is the content I pay 4.99 a month for.
@@naveendennisyou mean 43, it actually has to an odd number
The fact it took you 7min to find a win convinced me that Dravidians suck way more than anything Hera could ever do. I appreciate your honesty.
Statistician chiming in here! (Love the video, btw!) At 3:31 you can see his total games played and won. In this dataset he has an overall win rate across all civilizations of about 64% based on 1,280 games. His win rate with Dravidians is about 61%, technically making them a slightly-below-average Civ for him. However, with only 23 games played as the Dravidians, there is a lot of uncertainty around that 61% number. Just taking the data at face-value implies a 50-50 chance that his his long-term win rate with Dravidians could be as high as 69% (Turks) or as low as 52% (Bohemians).
spirit of the law burner account?
Hera: Look at these stats bro
Viper: Urumi go brrrrrrrrr
Loved the reactions stuff that is coming out of that one call by Hera. This is the kind of low stakes drama we can all support :)
The respectful and competitive banter between Hera and Viper is just hilarious 😂
I love that Hera defeated you with them in a tournament 11 that game had a message.
Love the good-spirited rivalry you guys have 11
I love this video banter between Hera and Viper, super fun !!
I thought Larry and DauT were the podcast duo that the community should have. But Vipi and Hera give me second thoughts
I love this back and forth. More please!
I was going to make a comment on the dravidians win video , something like ‘yes viper, you can force any civ to be good, because you carry them!’
Hera seems to have had the same thought haha
Nice video, I like both TheViper and Hera but the way Viper handle it was just perfect. I think he has a really cool sense of humor
It's good that this js peak AOE2 drama compared to the other toxic games. A reaction to a reaction to a reaction to a reactiom is what we call a chain reaction 😅
Viper should do the same thing with Hera's Burmese. Love the RUclips banter btw...
Viper also rates Burmese as a good civ. In fact most pros rate Burmese as not a bottom to tier civ. It’s hard to play and certainly not op, but is a very good civ.
I LOVE it when these two "clash". Obvi both really have a TON of respect for each other and it's in good fun, but GREAT content!! MORE!!
Those clips were tooootally not taken out of context. ^^
We’re gonna bite that pesky hussar back.
One of the poll options was 'double elephant los'. The idea was for it to be added IN ADDITION to the healing effect(IE, elephants regen 30 hp and have 2x LOS) so they can see monks coming sooner, and thereby make medical corps more worth it earlier on.
Let's be real. Only way to really settle this now is two Bo21 sets between Hera and TheViper, where one set Hera goes only Dravidians and next Bo21 TheViper goes only Dravidians.
Love those little trolls that give some flavor and lore to AoE 2
The important thing to remember is that the recent showcase game vs the cataphracts was about the Urumi specifically, not the civ. The unit, which Hera said sucked, is insane when massed and teched up and can blitz through units it 'shouldn't'. Civ itself should be a separate debate.
I remembered when some parts of the community were still screaming loudly before the release about how OP the Urumi would be...
So far they haven't been nerfed if I'm not mistaken
For an infantry unit it is very strong, it even defeats the samurai. the unit that was actually supposed to fight unique ones^^
the lotr meme got me good 😂
Viper the true Dravidian. 😂
Lolol love both you guys. Good stuff.
You defeated !
Hera is the new Viper Mwahahahahahahahah
hahahahaha love the banter
The viper is the champion of my culture. Rooting for you in all subsequent tournaments no matter what. 🙂🙂😬😬 Go theViper!!
Indian civ Go!!!
Funny how the viper shows more respect to dravidians than most people in India 😂
@@emmisysquire9684They will claim people like CV raman and Ramanujan but everyone else is looked down upon.Haha.
Dravidians can only win vs Dravidians 😂
I, for one, really like dravidians.
I had the same impression that you weren't very succesful with dravidians in tournaments
This video is the resurrection of the #clearly meme
After all, the Dravidians case is being misrepresented
Clearly
All jokes aside, usually in those losses there were... other factors contributing to the loss rather than the civ. Like the opponent playing really well.
I had this exact argument on reddit with a guy, that dravidians suck and viper never wins with them. I went back and looked at all tournament games viper had with dravidians. He has 1 or 2 wins against barles and someone else, but someone you would expect viper to beat. Against all other top 10 players he lost with them. I don't understand why viper chooses them
Could not see this video cuz i dont have earphones. But all i am looking forward to is Hera’s reaction to this video and Viper’s reaction to that video.
I'm not sure if you ever do this, but I've found that Longswords will not trade well with knights beyond like 6v3. BUT if you split just before engaging and then attack from two directions, you can win fights with up to like 10v20!
Might be a handy trick to master given LS theoretically counter the knight/skirm comp!
Dravidians Liquipedia page shows the last 10 Dravidian matches in tournaments.
The one's shown at this moment have 6 1v1's:
T90 Titans League 3: Gold League | El Dorado | Nili vs Kasva | *WIN*
T90 Titans League 3: Gold League | Migration | Nicov vs Hearttt | *WIN*
The Champions Invitational | Cup | TheViper vs Yo | *LOSS*
The Champions Invitational || Cup | Hera vs Vinchester | *WIN*
The Champions Invitational | Kawasan | TheViper vs TaToH | *WIN*
T90 Titans League 3: Gold League | Migration | Hearttt vs Sebastian | *LOSS*
6 games is anecdotal to draw conclusions from, but I think 4 out of 6 makes it at least not as bad as Hera makes it out to be ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
urumi? more like salami swordsmen XD
Data collection bias.
I like that you didn't receive any toxicity from the criticism! I hate these kind of dramas. WP Viper
now watch urumi swordman becomming the new meta unit...
I personally feel like Dravidians is a wild card civ, not great but not bad either, I don't see the problem with Urumi Swordsmen, the problem is getting there in the first place
aren't all of those dravidian losses without Urumi swordsmen? Moral of the story is always go full Urumi?......
1:10 Hera's video says that clip is from the Admirals League 2 tournament, but it's actually from The Champions Invitational.
Hera's video is invalidated.
Nothing great anymore for Viper😂😂 sience Hera beat him
Top notch work with the editing 😂😂
I love this mini war 😆
You just got a huge viewership boost from South India, I can guarantee (:
This is funny af. xD Love it.
Dravidians are a great civ. Metaslaves simply refuse to use infantry or elephant archers.
This fact was needed to be said
When elephant archers cost more than knights, without more value in dps. It's not worth the effort.
@@benithisraelm You must have missed that civs with EA don't get knights, so you don't get a choice between those.
@@flandrinelextensionniste6490 well, where's the replacement for cavalry Archer then? EAs are slow as balls. They are never replacements for knight line
This videos are very funny, love the content.
the person who make that video must be like us the Viper Fan XDDD
Urumi for evah
Dravidians are always great no matter what.. ❤
ask devs to buff dravidians xD
infinite monetization loop incoming
Ahhhh, Hera can be SO MEAN! 🤗
But you handle his trash-talk with good grace, Sir. 🥰 Well played by TheViper 🐍! 👍
I can't play the Dravidians, BTW...
M 🦘🏏😎
Might not be fair but definitely funny😂
I realized something:
It is not the case that Dravidians are bad
However, Viper just does not use them properly...
Not only Hera was selective, I also saw ZERO urumi boys on Vipers losses. Hera is in shambles, absolute disaster. Urumi 4ever ❤
This is turnng into WWE. Back and forth promos
Only 1 option to settle it.
No DQ tables ladders and chairs match
While this is all fun, I think someone has to point out that "urumi strong" does not mean "dravidian strong".
Great civs can have weak UUs and weak civs can have good UUs.
I loved this drama!
This is just the viper bragging about how he has such a great win ratio against the best civ (dravidians). He just THAT good 11
AoE2: Hi all, next patch Dravidians will get Buff🎉
Me: Viper bro, Hera didn't subscribe you on RUclips 😅😂😂. You both are legends of AoE2. Keep doing this kind of stuff.. All the best 🎉🎉
Look closely and you'll see it's a new tab that's not signed in to youtube.
but the topic was Urumis! not Dravidians as a civ! i love both of you guys 11111
You guys should have a team game fans vs fans low elo category to high elo seperated by skill 😅
I think???? Ya Ya, sure buddy....
I find it funny how Dravidians have beaten him more than he has beaten them😂
What about: Urumi is strong but dravidian is weak?
I edited this Hera video, and after seeing the final verdict that Lord DauT just gave, they will have to buff the Dravidians soon, especially the Urumis 111111111111 😅😝
Oh, and I'm a Viper subscriber, just like Hera is, the beginning of the video is in an anonymous tab 1111
hahahahah, amazing!!!!
Viper é BR? pq o Desce a letra tava ali
Great vid
I think that what Dravidians are for you, the Burmese are for Hera.
Maybe a video saying that Burmese are bad..? 11
Well tbf, you didn't say "Dravidians are amazing", you said "Urumis are amazing" and Hera said "Urumis suck" so... You're still right, yes, I'm fanboying.
😂
This can only be solved by a show match best of anything, e.g.:
Bo3 Dravidians mirror
Bo3 Dravidians agaist your worst choice
Bo3 Dravidians agaist your best choice
Bo3 Dravidians agaist your Hera's worst choice
Bo3 Dravidians agaist your Hera's choice
Btw.
You exactly named Civs your stats of Dravidians are better for you, that are not very good neither , according to Hera's latest Tierliste (4 weeks ago):
Slavs D-Tier
Bohemians low C-Tier
Japanese B-Tier, (I also kind to remember that they perform very poorly in tournaments in 2023)
Wheresa he sees Drividians actually B-Tier... :)
I cant do this no more the age community has gotten so toxic too much drama!! 😫😫😫
Viper, loses 7+ tourneys with Dravs... still can't see it. Viper90Blind
So funny 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
very... eh, fake.. news. yes.
1111 Where is my popcorn, this is my fav series
Are we going to ignore theviper copying himself at 0:53?
epic content xD
😂😂😂😂😂 jajsjajajssj
If you know how to play infantry and siege like Viper then you will like them, but if your bad at it like Hera then you just blame it on infantry and how bad it is.
i think you need to stand your ground on this, the last video you made was about the urumis specifically and not about the civ, dravidians. Hera is unequivocally wrong about the urumis. They RULE! I've never seen a pro player be so wrong about something and still continue to push the stupidity. Idk what that guy's problem is. Dravidians as a civ, on the other hand are mid on land and one of the best on water. Stfu hera, you will always be second to viper.
If only you and Hera were at a similar level, the top 2 players in the world and had some kind of way of playing some series against each other to determine whether they're good or not.
If only there was some way you could prove your point Viper.
oh well, I guess we'll never know.
Anyone remember when Nilli made the "knights counter pikemen" video where he poked fun at Hera's take out of context? Hera complained about the video so much that Nilli had to take it down. Seems very hypocritical of Hera. Good to see Viper (the GOAT) is good humored and we get to enjoy this sort of fun content.
Hera has matured a LOT since then I feel. Way less of a saltyboi.
Read the room and you'll realize this is simply good banter
This is war! Na, jokes. This series has been hilarious. Very heart warming to see the best player in the world be so humble.
Edit: Anyone else reminded of T90, during his moustache days, with the Urumi Swordsmen?
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I find it curious how Hera is changing the focus of the subject to his convenience. Hera had said that the urumi swordsman is a very bad unique unit, viper refuted this and Hera's counter-argument is to say that Viper has a very bad win rate with the Dravidians. I'm surprised that the world's top 1 in elo doesn't know the difference between a civilization and its unique unity.
Because it's just a joke banter between Hera and Viper, they are not trying to be super nerdy and come up with detail arguments like what you think he should be doing.
What I find curious is you either don't realize or can't accept that this is friendly banter. You expect top of the line argumentation in aoe2 meme videos on youtube that are meant to entertain the audience?
Hera or the editor is not subbed to your channel 11
Look closely and you'll see it's a new tab that's not signed in to youtube.
Such selective data, only showing the parts where Viper lost as Dravidians. Fairness is 404.
It's almost like looking at a child desperately trying to win a counter argument. 11
Insert the "the joke...your head" gif here
It would be amazing if next time you do a 1 vs 1 with him you pick dravidians and start the urumi spam 😂
🐍=🐐