The Top Ten Defunct British Bus Brands
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- The Top Ten Defunct British Bus Brands
10-Foden Trucks
09-Crossley Motors
08-Sunbeam Commercial Vehicles
07-Dennis Specialist Vehicles
06-Bedford Vehicles
05-Associated Equipment Company
04-Albion Motors
03-Daimler Company
02-Bristol Commercial Vehicles
01-Leyland Bus
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in 1989, I drove an old Bristol Lo-Decka around Italy for the then Common Market, it was a campaign against Cancer. I went to several famous Italian cities, and set up an exhibition, plus a cine screen on the top deck
Some 15 years ago I lent a hand to restore 3 lovely old RLH double decker London buses abandoned in San Diego for 20 years - not easy but gratifying to see them running again - still feeling it in the pocket ! 😉
Er…..Guy Motors of Wolverhampton? Built a lot more vehicles than some on the list here. As did Metro-Cammell Weyman. (MCW). As did Seddon. Albion’s factory was still building buses well into the 1980s, albeit they were badged as Leyland’s. Dennis is still with us, as part of Alexander Dennis. Only Fire Engine production stopped in 2007 as the small amounts made it unviable and Dennis Eagle didn’t want to build cabs in such low levels. Javelins were still leaving the factory as late as 2010 but even if you base it on that, Alexander Dennis is still here, building buses. It’s certainly not defunct.
I love the lines of old buses. They were works of art.
Very stylish
I can just about remember travelling on a trolley bus in my pre-teens.
A jolly hour on the trolley
The 1953 blue Regal NXL 647, was once owned by a workmate of mine.
It was kept at London Transport Poplar garage Leven Road. Previously my pal had owned an RTL bus, and very kindly let me have RTL 326 for my wedding in September 1977.
If any enthusiasts on here have any information about RTL 326, I'd be very grateful. 45 years may have passed but my wife and I are still happy. With our photos of the great day.
Kind regards to all.👍
The merger of all vehicle manufacturers into big global companies has destroyed innovation and choice. We are poorer for it.
Like the bus we should have had in London after 1970 The FRM rather than the wretched diamler/leyland fleetline/DMS
Dennis aren’t gone but still exist under the ADL banner
Leyland‘s bus divisions was bought out by Volvo in 1988, and carried on with the manufacturing and development of some existing models like the Olympian/B10T, which continued to be a successful model in Hong Kong and Singapore, and all the way until the recent B8L.
Did Midland Red (BMMO Birmingham and Midland Motor Omnibus co) not produce their own vehicles at their Bearwood, Birmingham plant? They were at one time the largest privately owned bus company in the country and produced a fine range of single and double deckers well into the 1960-70's.
Yes, and some under Sinclair were ahead of their time, front entrance, underfloor engines etc.
If this is based on production numbers, you missed Guy, Seddon, Commer, Volvo-Ailsa and Ford who all built vastly greater numbers than Foden. And Ford is defunct as a bus builder, whereas Dennis is not, though it now trades as ADL.
Yeah, but they only make bin waggons horrible vehicles, plus the smell 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Volvo is not British🧐
Alexander Dennis isn’t British.
This was the times when England was still England, not today. Like here in South Africa too many foreigners bringing lots of f curruption.
It's terribly sad when an industry falls, it means losses of employment, technology and craftsmanship. If the government supported those firms instead of investing in defence and wars, the country would have hugely benefitted.
The problem is that "Bus Brands" is somewhat misleading. From what I can tell you focused on chassis builders rather than coachbuilders. One of the reasons that several of the buses illustrated in the video look very similar to each other is because they have different chassis but came from the same coachbuilder. For instance the Daimler Fleetline could be had with ECW, Park Royal, Northern Counties, Alexander, Willowbrook, or Marshall bodywork (and I've probably missed a few).
Fleetlines also included MH Cars, Potters, Alexander (Belfast), MCW, Caetano, Metsec, Busbodies SA, Roe. Any more?
@@andrewcharles5575 Yes, Charles Roe.. Built in very large numbers for Rotherham, Doncaster and Leeds
My grandfather owned two duple bodied Bedford val buses in Aberdeenshire in the 1970s. Terrible brakes, wheels were too small.
Took my PSV in one of the Bedford Vals twin steer coach in the 80s at 2:04
I drove Vals for a small coach company in Rotherham in 1979 / 80. He had two, one with a Plaxton body and the other had a Duple body. I bought the Plaxton bodied one off him with a schools contract only to go bust 6 months later, no more work. Good times!
Nice to see a Newcastle corporation trolley in there
The Bedford was identical model to the one used in the Beatles bus movie.
Bedford Val was the getaway bus in the Italian Job movie.
@@russcattell955i You're right, but it was the least suitable getaway bus imaginable, I always thought. Slow af. I came back from Minehead in one in 1972 and it could barely manage walking pace up the Quantocks, so I hate to think how long it took to get one up the Alps!
@@dickhelling3529the large rear entrance doors made loading
The gold easier
You forgot Guy, I used to like the Red Indian radiator cap.
Thanks
Yes I remember them in the sixties chester corporation had them,OMG memories and we had clippeys fudging the books 🤣🤣🤣
What about BMMO - the Birmingham and Midland Motor Omnibus Company (Midland "Red") who between 1923 and 1970 built many of their own buses? Until 1940, they were badged as "SOS" ("Shire's Omnibus Specification" - L G Wyndham-Shire being the company's first Engineering Manager), and some were even supplied new other companies within the BET Federation - Potteries Motor Traction; Trent Motor Traction and Northern General all got SOSs new.
When mass production was resumed after World War 2 (during which Midland "Red" produced five prototypes - four underfloor-engined single-deckers, and a double-decker), production was concentrated on vehicles for its own needs, and buses were badged as BMMO.
Mass production formally ceased in 1970, but the engineering department at Central Works continued to sporadically rebuilt buses - the best-known were Plaxton Derwent-bodied Ford R-Series from Midland Red's own fleet, some of which were sold to other companies within NBC - with Central Works going on to be separated from Midland Red and rebranded as Carlyle Works, which went on to gain an excellent reputation in bus bodying: mainly on minibus and midibus chassis.
beautiful ❤
Did Bedford build buses or only the chassis on which coachbuilders added the bodywork (e.g.Duple)? What about MCW (Metro Camel Welwyn? IIRC)? Must be others I cannot remember from my childhoood too, such as Guy
Metro-Cammell-Weymann built bodies until 1979 and then complete buses, they also built railway multiple units, metro and underground cars and taxis. Bedford was always a chassis builder, the most famous bodies on them were Duple of London and Plaxton of Scarborough.
I just love the look of half-cab single deckers. Halifax Corporation had a few AEC´s and I always waited for them rather than the double deckers.
The bus manager At Halifax originally came from Glasgow that is why their livery was so similar.
@@peterwoods5310 Hiditch was the most famous Halifax General Manager.
Guy should absolutely be here
That's a Leyland Tiger Cub at 3.50. The Tiger was very different.
NFI( New Flyer Ind.) of Canada owns Alexander Dennis along with other bus manufacturers.
So sad bring back the J2 minibus in Ghana it’s a ‘fawosumko’ literally travel sideways
Takeovers might have meant loss of names as happened with Man acquiring Foden!
M-A-N acquired ERF, Foden was acquired by Paccar from the US who now assemble vehicles in the old Leyland factory under the DAF banner, Fodens we’re fitted with CAT engines but are now fitted with Paccar engines I believe.
Lancashire United buses in Howe Bridge and Swindon run a lot of Atkinson single decker’s fitted with Garden engines,I used to travel regularly when I was a child,travelled on the trolley buses as well,they were really quick off the mark.
BUT- British United Traction.
That was a joint venture between Leyland and AEC to build trolleybuses and provide mechanical units for diesel passenger trains.
Where was PRV (Park Royal), Chas H Roe (Leeds), ECW (Lowestoft), East Lancs(Darwen), Weymann (West Midlands), Thornycroft.
Park Royal was closely connected to AEC.
why did you not show the routemaster for AEC
In the early 1970's, our local commuter bus company stopped buying AEC and started buying Mercedes. Huge improvement in ride quality! For the first time no bumps and vibration. A fair bit quieter too. The older AEC's and Guy's had Gardner engines - for some reason Gardner never bothered to make a decent idle governor. When the driver put the gears in neutral while passengers got on/off, you got the characteristic unstable idle sound, sort of like "DOK-DOK-Dok-Dok-dok-dok-ok-ok-ok-DOK-DOK-DOK-Dok-Dok." A driver told me the Mercedes used quite a bit less fuel too, and smoked less, due to a more modern engine. I guess that's why the British brands are defunct.
Thanks for sharing👍
hi i worked at AEC and we never fitted gardner engines only our own !
My late father was a truck driver for associated lead in chester for 32 years and his new truck in the late seventies early eighties was a AEC Matador, took it out on a daily basis for three weeks, and took it back to the inhouse work shop( and they were good fitters) refused to take it out again, stated it was dangerous ie you'd go round a bend would have extreme difficulty straighten it up it three replacement steering boxes fitted, but still wasn't right, my dad said to me at the time worst truck I've ever driven , and I'm not going to set foot in that cab ever again, and he never did,so he was seconded to a 5 year old foden, they tried another couple of drivers on that truck and after 1 day they said, not driving that it's dangerous, not only to me but other people, they got rid of it, but don't where it ended up, they didn't buy any more, they went back to fodens and Bedford?
@@bernardrandles8013 The AEC Matador was a WW2-era low speed 4x4 military recovery truck / artillery tractor with very little cargo space or load weight capacity last produced in 1953, so it is very unlikely to have been in commercial use in late 70's to early 80's, except perhaps for odd job utility use on one site (i.e., not ever taken out on the public road). Perhaps your father was assigned a different truck? A 4-tonne Bedford could do a public road load carrying job far better, and keep up with traffic.
Some bus companies bought them as military surplus (= cheap) and converted them as tow trucks for the largest busses when such busses broken down. The main bus company here had one for many years equipped to stow tools and parts, so if a bus broke down, the mechanics could drive there and fix it, using the Matador to lift the bus up for underside access if needed, or if it turned out to be hard to fix roadside, tow it back to the depot. Usually that annoyed motorists as it could only move slowly (top speed about 40km/hr;
@@bernardrandles8013 hi this must have been a Mandator not a Matador as we did not make them in the 70s
Guy definitely belongs in any "Top Ten" and a long chalk ahead of Foden, who were small in buses. In 1960, the "Wulfrunian" was the talk of the whole industry - albeit for the wrong reasons. Remake pending.
Dennis is still making busses i have just ended my shift on a 2022 bus delivered new friday
NZR (railways) Roadservices covered the. country until about mid 80s I think...when they were broken up ..all their buses seemed to be Bedfords. Fire engines all seemed to be Dennises....Last bus i was on 14 months ago, to Featherston, was a MAN.
To be fair, most of them were just engines and chassis manufacturers with the bodies made by others.
What about Guy Motors Wolverhampton?
Was a little disappointed not to see Metro Cammel Weyman (MCW) in the list but guess that this video said 'top 10' for a reason
Fun images, annoying music.
These top 10 lists are always subjective and controvertial. I am not sure Foden is right up there at the top level, but Guy most certainly should be. Also worthy of consideration is Gilford. But hey, where are BMMO? operated not only by Midland Red, but also Trent, PMT and Northern General. a number of others are mentioned in comments below. How about a Sentinal, or a Maudsley? perhaps I am only joking but it does get folk arguing.
Northern Counties Motoring & Engineering 1919 - 2004
Willowbrook came to Ghana in 1974 with those cardboard buses and pressurized gear systems Now all's gone
Interesting that in Ghana you refer to Willowbrook bodies as cardboard, they had the same nickname on the home market.
That Leyland Titan, with the open radiator, and labelled as built in 1968 doesn't look to me at all like that era.
It looks more like late 40's or early 50's... In the early 1970's I drove buses for Glasgow Corporation Transport.They had loads of Leyland Titans from around the late 50's through to the mid 60's. They looked far more modern than this pic.
Apparently they were produced until 68 its a very out of date design by that point.
Left out The Leyland Olympics that were exported to Jamaica & Cuba
and to argentina, tigers olimpics, panthers, and uruguay
Dennis isn't obsolete..???..part of the Alexander Dennis brand now
How long before ADL production is outsourced from Scotland to Turkey ?
Bin waggons
Here is the Hants and Dorset Bus driving through South Wales at Llancaiach Fawr and Blackwood.
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I feel there was too much of a focus on front engined and older models! The Bristol RE and the VR were found in huge numbers around the UK and were the National Bus Company’s flag bearers! Also the Leyland Atlantean was a world leader rear engined and very reliable! Along with the fleetline probably made up at its height 80+ percent of the PTE fleets as well as well used in some National bus company fleets! And found in many parts of the world including Hong Kong! These three should have all been recognised! Too!
And interestingly section 55 of The Road Vehicles (Contruction and Use) Regulations 1986 contained this:
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(2) This regulation does not apply to--
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(g) a vehicle manufactured by Leyland Vehicles Ltd. and known as the Atlantean Bus, if first used before 1st October 1984.
Guy and Seddon.
Where's my love: MCW?
"Brand" is a very vague term
Some great images, but the music was lousy. How about some period British music. There's 100s of easy listening vintage pieces from the 50s and 60s which would make a far better soundtrack!
How about silence..... soundtracks rarely add anything helpful
No MCW!
what about Southdown Motors, they were the best !
Southdown 'Queen Mary's' were made by Leyland.
And the Unamaster Bus also vanished!
The leyland UNAMASTER
Slow climate and heavy and uncomfortable the B.M is the only good one
Stupidity of the phone to dictate clumsey.
Totally wrong music for this sequence. Its too upbeat. A slower more brass based track would suit the bus theme.
Yes, that annoying electronic jingle
And people still vote for Capitalism. Astounding.
Top ten, ranked how? Thumbs down.
There were some really ugly buses
As there were some really nice looking ones, especially the coaches.
Even for their time some seem quite outdated.