My miyota caliber 8215 rotor was spinning like crazy and making lots of noise. I added silicone grease in the same area/bearings as you instead of oil. Grease stays put much better and will slow the bearing down. I used a tiny tiny bit on a small flathead screwdriver and packed it into the bearing.... kinda like repacking a car bearing.
Hey Ho! That is awesome. I’m am so glad that this worked for you. I hadn’t thought of silicone grease. Makes sense that it’s viscosity should slow the movement down
The 8215 winds omnidirectional so it spins fast versus a bidirectional rotor like an ETA 2824. I would advise against using a thick grease because it won’t wind efficiently and/or prevent it from spinning at all
Totally. 😅. As I said to another subscriber, I would take this video down, but I’m keeping it as a ‘Green Day’ video. I now have oilers and grease and the proper oils too.
The tools were used by Noah - I picked them up on a yard sale 😂. For real though I just received my real oilers from AE - they were stupid cheap, like US$4.00
Hey Paul - now that I’ve figured out who you are I’m a bit flushed with embarrassment at my hack tool for oiling 😆. I recently acquired a proper set of oilers and there is no comparison. I’ve got plenty more builds coming, plenty
😂😂😂 - in other words you will do it properly! This is an EARLY video and I cringe when I watch it. But I keep it up because it’s a great ‘baseline’ for myself of the few things I’ve learned
The ST1612 does not have a noisy rotor. It has the same magic lever winding mechanism as an NH35, so two way winding, which means it will have resistance in both directions.
Good Point. I'm working on buying an ST1612 as well as an ST2160 sometime - I'd like to do a strip and re-build video on BOTH to profile the sort of quality you are speaking of
Would be good if you could do a waterproof test afterwards. I have numerous vintage watches, but bought this Starbucks looking diver with similar movement. rotor is quiet but would like to have timing improved, almost minute a day slow. live on boat swimming watch most important.
Thank you so much for the comments. One of my favourite channels - I like Watches - doe WP testing on everything he reviews. I would encourage you to take a look at his channel. You can adjust the timing on your watch if you look up videos on ‘How to regulate an automatic watch’ you will find some good material
Great video, one question about diagnosing the problem you showed us how to fix: Should the rotor on my one year old Longines automatic (which I just bought) spins 10-20 revolutions at the slightest shake/movement of the watch?
Hi John. I’m not too familiar with the Longines movements. But if it is a mono-directional movement (ie - it only winds when the the rotor spins in ONE direction) then yes, many revolutions when it is spinning freely (ie. Opposite to the direction of wind) can be expected
You want as many revolutions as possible. The cheaper watches, their rotors barely spin. The sign of a good watch is one where the rotor will spin like crazy without much movement.
One thing I can't understand: The purpose of your video is to show how a noisy rotor can be silenced, isn't it? SO WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS SILLY MUSIC RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND?
Hello again from Sweden. I have noisy rotors on my SNK805 and the Vostok Kommenderski. I think the Vostok could do with a bit of tweeking too as it runs all over the place, today it lost 7 minutes in 5 hours and last week it ran fast. I have not decided on what model of Bliger SM yet but I think I will go with the white dail.
I HAD to - it wouldn’t stop rattling 😂. I all honesty I love this video for how BAD it is! It’s one of my first and I keep it up as a reminder that Learning is a lifelong enterprise
I would also recommend somethjng thicker, a good quality ball bearing grease works better than an oil. Which is not surprising, as it is a ball bearing you are essentially lubricating.
Ball bearing oil would also work, ball bearings can use either grease or oil, and being freely spinning like that with almost no load you would rather use oil than grease. The oil itself should work just fine and much better than any form of grease would for this particular application
@@platinumsky845 Almost no load? I disagree, I have a degree in fine mechanics and I can work out the math for you if you want. Small parts doesn't automatically mean small load. Oil will also work for some applications, but if it is really noisy, and especially with single directional spinning rotors it can be nice to slow them down a little. For example Miyota 8000 or 9000 series, or ETA 7000 series. Here is where I would prefer a synthetic grease over oil. On others, such as ETA 2824 a HP1000 or HP1300 oil works fine.
I don’t get why people are bothered by this noise. I really like it because it maintains the illusion and reminds me that the watch is almost “alive”. But if someone does not like this sound, why did you buy it? Could have bought an expensive brand name quartz watch.
Quartz? What? I may as well buy an Apple Watch. The entire allure of these machines is that that are JUST that - machines, anachronisms from bygone era
@@watchmebuildit I would have bought an Apple watch. I do not yet buy it because of the inconvenience of them running out of battery relatively quickly. When I mentioned the quartz watch I meant that they are an option if someone wants to see time. But a Quartz watch is just as much a machine as a mechanical one. Its just different type of machine. If the desire is to own an object that is cool and you could say has more emphasis on crafting them then ok.
That is Hilarious Howard - touché. I would take this vid down, but I will keep it for posterity and a record of my ‘Green Days’. Also, it’s one of my most popular videos 😅
@@watchmebuildit wow ! After a few decades with watches saw in this vid something that really impressed me. Let me say that I have never opened a watch my self, only some external work on my own watches. Watching this vid with the noisy rotor things ain't that hard. At least oiling the rotor. Would surely appreciate some info about this magic ball and where to get my self one. Many thanks for clarifying the ball use:)
@@mathewazzopard8100 Buy at your own risk. They're easy to find on eBay, Amazon and AliExpress. I have 2 on order from AliExpress for less than $3 each. Worth a shot for that amount.
@@mathewazzopard8100 if you have a hot glue gun, glue the watch back to a solid surface, twist and then peel the glue off. Zero chance of damage and it's removed even the most stubborn backs in my experience ;)
Hello Yuinetal. Thank you for the question! You are absolutely correct - oiling the jewels does not help the rotor noise, but I figured - if the manufacturer who made the movement had left the rotor bearing to be that dry, there was a good chance that the jewels were dry too, so I gave them a little oil while the case-back was off.
HI Brendan Fong. in this video I was naughty and I used the oil that is supplied for electric hair clippers - its made for high revolution metal on metal friction, but its NOT made for watch parts. The PROPPER watch makers oil would be Moebius Oil. Here is a link for Moebius oil on Ali-Express: www.aliexpress.com/item/32356270693.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.7165e118uhEMnQ&algo_pvid=80a5cb2b-4457-4411-881c-4134b35ca76f&algo_expid=80a5cb2b-4457-4411-881c-4134b35ca76f-33&btsid=0ab6f82215947528218986884e34ea&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
The answer is no, not only will you need a different spacer, the stem height is also too different. Essentially you could take a case made for a 2824, which does have a stem height closer to an NH35. Steer clear when a case says 2824/2836 though, it does not exist, yet some sellers seem. oblivious of that, or just try to lure you in with false information.
Yes Tony. WAY too much oil. It was a VERY early video and I wouldn’t do it that way again. I think I’ll make a follow up soon with a bit of watch grease. I keep the video up for a record of learning. I stripped and re-built this movement subsequently - there was no oil in the hairspring. I may have been too liberal, but I didn’t submerge it😉
not sure i'd do that, for satisfaction's sake. when they tighten the screw, it has to be uniform torque. therefore, a special tool used to calibrate the tension on the screw, in all likelihood - simply to control friction, and accuracy...that, and the climate control of the manufacturing room - humidity, dust etc... so, i wouldn't do it unless as many variables can be controlled, as could be. now, maybe, the manufacturer did a 'cheap' job, and doesn't control for error...maybe.
This hack to open the case back is brillant! Thank you.
Can’t beat it! I haven’t found a back that it doesn’t work on yet
Wouldn’t call it a hack, they sell those balls specifically for this very purpose.
My miyota caliber 8215 rotor was spinning like crazy and making lots of noise. I added silicone grease in the same area/bearings as you instead of oil. Grease stays put much better and will slow the bearing down. I used a tiny tiny bit on a small flathead screwdriver and packed it into the bearing.... kinda like repacking a car bearing.
Hey Ho! That is awesome. I’m am so glad that this worked for you. I hadn’t thought of silicone grease. Makes sense that it’s viscosity should slow the movement down
The 8215 winds omnidirectional so it spins fast versus a bidirectional rotor like an ETA 2824. I would advise against using a thick grease because it won’t wind efficiently and/or prevent it from spinning at all
That is REALY more than enough 😊
Totally. 😅. As I said to another subscriber, I would take this video down, but I’m keeping it as a ‘Green Day’ video. I now have oilers and grease and the proper oils too.
Wow I'm glad I came across this vid I'm loving the high tec tools wicked 👍
The tools were used by Noah - I picked them up on a yard sale 😂. For real though I just received my real oilers from AE - they were stupid cheap, like US$4.00
@@watchmebuildit hopefully your do another build soon 👍
Hey Paul - now that I’ve figured out who you are I’m a bit flushed with embarrassment at my hack tool for oiling 😆. I recently acquired a proper set of oilers and there is no comparison. I’ve got plenty more builds coming, plenty
Nice one I will look forward to it and hopefully I can pick up some tips and ideas 😃
I'm going to try this on my Seiko 5 but will use Moebius 8000 Watch Oil and a watch oiler pen. Of course, I won't put as much as you did.
😂😂😂 - in other words you will do it properly! This is an EARLY video and I cringe when I watch it. But I keep it up because it’s a great ‘baseline’ for myself of the few things I’ve learned
Great video! You a legend for this remedy, fam.
pro tip : you can watch series at kaldrostream. Me and my gf have been using them for watching lots of of movies these days.
@Rhett Nash definitely, have been watching on Kaldrostream for since november myself :D
@Rhett Nash definitely, I have been using kaldroStream for since december myself :D
Awesome video. My Claude Bernard has started making the exact same noise. I will try this method to see if that resolves it. Subscribed.
Did it work? What type of oil did you use?
@@watchmebuildit also waiting on this reply😅
Thank you for the tutorial!
It is a pleasure Ahura
The ST1612 does not have a noisy rotor. It has the same magic lever winding mechanism as an NH35, so two way winding, which means it will have resistance in both directions.
Good Point. I'm working on buying an ST1612 as well as an ST2160 sometime - I'd like to do a strip and re-build video on BOTH to profile the sort of quality you are speaking of
which is better the st1612 or miyota?
Would be good if you could do a waterproof test afterwards. I have numerous vintage watches, but bought this Starbucks looking diver with similar movement. rotor is quiet but would like to have timing improved, almost minute a day slow. live on boat swimming watch most important.
Thank you so much for the comments. One of my favourite channels - I like Watches - doe WP testing on everything he reviews. I would encourage you to take a look at his channel. You can adjust the timing on your watch if you look up videos on ‘How to regulate an automatic watch’ you will find some good material
Great video, one question about diagnosing the problem you showed us how to fix: Should the rotor on my one year old Longines automatic (which I just bought) spins 10-20 revolutions at the slightest shake/movement of the watch?
Hi John. I’m not too familiar with the Longines movements. But if it is a mono-directional movement (ie - it only winds when the the rotor spins in ONE direction) then yes, many revolutions when it is spinning freely (ie. Opposite to the direction of wind) can be expected
You want as many revolutions as possible. The cheaper watches, their rotors barely spin. The sign of a good watch is one where the rotor will spin like crazy without much movement.
One thing I can't understand: The purpose of your video is to show how a noisy rotor can be silenced, isn't it?
SO WHY DO YOU HAVE THIS SILLY MUSIC RUNNING IN THE BACKGROUND?
Well - if the rotor was making the music I’d consider myself a failure 😂
Hello again from Sweden.
I have noisy rotors on my SNK805 and the Vostok Kommenderski. I think the Vostok could do with a bit of tweeking too as it runs all over the place, today it lost 7 minutes in 5 hours and last week it ran fast.
I have not decided on what model of Bliger SM yet but I think I will go with the white dail.
Hi Peder. Your Vostok sounds like it could be in need of a full strip-down service
@@watchmebuildit You think? 😃
I think so too but I have only had it 7 months. Will drop it off at my watchmaker next time I go to town.
Maybe needs demagnetizing
@@fr0d0scious probably right. Rotor was a little loose on the Seiko, Tightened it up and it runs good now.
You’re really shaking the hell outta that thing. 😂
I HAD to - it wouldn’t stop rattling 😂. I all honesty I love this video for how BAD it is! It’s one of my first and I keep it up as a reminder that Learning is a lifelong enterprise
@@watchmebuildit that’s awesome man. It is an enjoyable video to be honest. 🤣
I would also recommend somethjng thicker, a good quality ball bearing grease works better than an oil. Which is not surprising, as it is a ball bearing you are essentially lubricating.
A good point Vincenzo. I am always learning and I may well do a follow-up video to this on some time
Ball bearing oil would also work, ball bearings can use either grease or oil, and being freely spinning like that with almost no load you would rather use oil than grease. The oil itself should work just fine and much better than any form of grease would for this particular application
@@platinumsky845 Almost no load? I disagree, I have a degree in fine mechanics and I can work out the math for you if you want. Small parts doesn't automatically mean small load. Oil will also work for some applications, but if it is really noisy, and especially with single directional spinning rotors it can be nice to slow them down a little. For example Miyota 8000 or 9000 series, or ETA 7000 series. Here is where I would prefer a synthetic grease over oil. On others, such as ETA 2824 a HP1000 or HP1300 oil works fine.
I don’t get why people are bothered by this noise. I really like it because it maintains the illusion and reminds me that the watch is almost “alive”. But if someone does not like this sound, why did you buy it? Could have bought an expensive brand name quartz watch.
Quartz? What? I may as well buy an Apple Watch. The entire allure of these machines is that that are JUST that - machines, anachronisms from bygone era
@@watchmebuildit I would have bought an Apple watch. I do not yet buy it because of the inconvenience of them running out of battery relatively quickly. When I mentioned the quartz watch I meant that they are an option if someone wants to see time. But a Quartz watch is just as much a machine as a mechanical one. Its just different type of machine. If the desire is to own an object that is cool and you could say has more emphasis on crafting them then ok.
They shouldn't be making that noise anyways.
After wearing the watch for a few days I'll guess it got even more quiet?
To an extent (I couldn’t hear it charging round and round the case any longer) but the mono-wind rotors are noisy by nature
I use furniture polish with beeswax in to oil my watch movements. Always worked for me.. 👋🤣⌚
That is Hilarious Howard - touché. I would take this vid down, but I will keep it for posterity and a record of my ‘Green Days’. Also, it’s one of my most popular videos 😅
Miyota 8 series movements are worst with the unidirectional rotor that spins and spins and spins.
Hi Neil. You are so right. There is a lot of fuss about the Miyotas. I have to say - a well-built DG2813 is a better movement in my opinion
Seiko movement is noisy caused there incased with plastic to fit the watch and not with a brass or metal ring like a Swiss watch
Thanks James. This isn’t a Seiko movement though. It’s a cheap Chinese clone of the Miyots 8215
Nice vid ! What happens if the case cover isn't loose or firm, I mean even 3AT wr should be, you'll need a key to access the mechanism.
Hi Matthew. I have not yet encountered a watch which I could not open with the case back ball which you see me using in my videos
@@watchmebuildit wow ! After a few decades with watches saw in this vid something that really impressed me. Let me say that I have never opened a watch my self, only some external work on my own watches. Watching this vid with the noisy rotor things ain't that hard. At least oiling the rotor. Would surely appreciate some info about this magic ball and where to get my self one. Many thanks for clarifying the ball use:)
@@mathewazzopard8100 www.amazon.com/OTOOLWORLD-Watch-Case-Friction-Opener/dp/B07417BNF9/ref=sr_1_2?crid=19CV4BSFLRLP4&dchild=1&keywords=watch+friction+ball&qid=1597551268&sprefix=watch+friction%2Caps%2C179&sr=8-2
@@mathewazzopard8100 Buy at your own risk. They're easy to find on eBay, Amazon and AliExpress. I have 2 on order from AliExpress for less than $3 each. Worth a shot for that amount.
@@mathewazzopard8100 if you have a hot glue gun, glue the watch back to a solid surface, twist and then peel the glue off. Zero chance of damage and it's removed even the most stubborn backs in my experience ;)
How is putting oil on top of the jewels going to do anything at all
Hello Yuinetal. Thank you for the question! You are absolutely correct - oiling the jewels does not help the rotor noise, but I figured - if the manufacturer who made the movement had left the rotor bearing to be that dry, there was a good chance that the jewels were dry too, so I gave them a little oil while the case-back was off.
@@watchmebuildit dont you have to take the jewels off so that the oil gets on the pivot tho m
Hi Yuimetal - no, there is a tiny hole in the top of each jewel. So the oil passes through to the pivot. Thanks for the question
What sort of oil should be used?
HI Brendan Fong. in this video I was naughty and I used the oil that is supplied for electric hair clippers - its made for high revolution metal on metal friction, but its NOT made for watch parts. The PROPPER watch makers oil would be Moebius Oil. Here is a link for Moebius oil on Ali-Express:
www.aliexpress.com/item/32356270693.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.7165e118uhEMnQ&algo_pvid=80a5cb2b-4457-4411-881c-4134b35ca76f&algo_expid=80a5cb2b-4457-4411-881c-4134b35ca76f-33&btsid=0ab6f82215947528218986884e34ea&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
I was wondering if you could put in a nh35 in that case?
Hello Jin - I would not take a chance with an NH35
The answer is no, not only will you need a different spacer, the stem height is also too different. Essentially you could take a case made for a 2824, which does have a stem height closer to an NH35. Steer clear when a case says 2824/2836 though, it does not exist, yet some sellers seem. oblivious of that, or just try to lure you in with false information.
I have at least 40 automatic watches with all popular movements. Never noticed a noisy rotor ever.
Good for you Brent.
I have a few watches and some are noisy!
I like your accent. South Africa?
Well spotted! Yes, Johannesburg. Where are you from?
Well spotted! Yes, Johannesburg. Where are you from?
OMG... you put too much oil... it will spill out to other parts in the movement.
Thanks Marten - I see that now 😉
Can you use gun oil for this?
This guy's living in a worse kakistocracy than we are lol but you can use the silicone spray to keep the gaskets from drying out.
I guess gun oil might work? I’d be careful though - viscosity may be too high
This is why I don't buy used watches.
Wise man 😉
LOL after the bombs fall me and Mad Max will come to you to keep our watches running but you use too much oil
You are right - too much oil!
So how much oil is enough?
@@waris3732 about 2/3 of the oil well, when the jewel is dropped in it'll displace it to the correct level.
Good video how to ruin your movement! Far too much oil soon it will be all over the hair spring!
Yes Tony. WAY too much oil. It was a VERY early video and I wouldn’t do it that way again. I think I’ll make a follow up soon with a bit of watch grease. I keep the video up for a record of learning. I stripped and re-built this movement subsequently - there was no oil in the hairspring. I may have been too liberal, but I didn’t submerge it😉
@@watchmebuildit thats good but in time it would find its way to the hairspring, thanks
not sure i'd do that, for satisfaction's sake. when they tighten the screw, it has to be uniform torque. therefore, a special tool used to calibrate the tension on the screw, in all likelihood - simply to control friction, and accuracy...that, and the climate control of the manufacturing room - humidity, dust etc... so, i wouldn't do it unless as many variables can be controlled, as could be. now, maybe, the manufacturer did a 'cheap' job, and doesn't control for error...maybe.
Dear god this is terrible lol
I agree!!