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Nothing really shocks me anymore now that I’ve gone down the rabbit hole of collecting. Pat your flea market madness series got me into collecting in the first place. I still go to the Englishtown Auction often. I always find something but it def not the same anymore. Thanks Pat for turning me into a mad man trying to collect mountains of plastic and cardboard.
I only like collecting games that I enjoy playing. I see no point in having an massive collection of games you don’t even use. Sure it looks cool, but that’s about it.
agreed. It's like me I really like Plug N' Play consoles because each one has a unique look, but at the same time however I'm not gonna buy say a Hannah Montana, or Barbie themed one just because it's different then the other ones in my collection, as I'll never play the shitty games on them, and get any amount of enjoyment out of them.
Jeff Smith, I actually have a Spongebob one where they made his nose the joystick, and once you get past the fact it's Spongebob the games are fairly fun in short burst, and one I pull out at least a few times a year to see if I can beat my high scores. My favorite ones however are the Namco themed ones with Pac-Man or Ms. Pac-Man as I have a few of them, and they never get old in my book.
As an adult it's easy to get the games you know you'll like but it's a challenge to find the time to play them all. It's ironically the exact opposite for children.
I was aware of the TurboGrafx since the day it came out. I never needed a YT video to "know about" it. I was just never interested in it as no one I knew had one and you couldn't trade games on a system no one had. Now the Sega Master system I NEVER knew existed until about 2012 when I started collecting. I never knew it was around yet I got every issue of EGM Monthly and was a very avid Genesis gamer. That's the one that surprised me.
yeah, Master System was fairly ignored in the USA so it seems plenty were only vaguely aware. Turbo has too small of a library for people to actively care until recently imo. Japanese Duo library is a bit different though I suppose
I knew about the SMS and the TG16 growing up. Why? Because my weird uncle bought my cousin's those 2 systems for some reason instead of the more popular systems at the time!
Just remember all the Bonk’s Adventure ads in comic books when I was a kid. I never played the Turbo Grafx 16 until three years ago, and shocked how solid games like Street Fighter II, R-Type, and the original Splatterhouse were. Rondo of Blood should have been released stateside. Awesome game.
I notice TurboGrafx 16 interest increased significantly once the Wii Virtual Console started carrying those games and introduced more people to them. I knew of the TurboGrafx (I remember the old Bonk ads on TV) but only knew a few titles, like Rondo of Blood. The VC made me more aware of specific titles. It also made me aware that I didn't really know much about this system and I'm into retro gaming so I better familiarize myself with this! It was too late though as the prices were already going up.
I don't think it's considered collectible, but one item of merch that I'm surprised exists is the reproduction Nintendo World Championship 1990 shirt that somebody gave me as a gift about five years ago. I've always thought the entire point of event shirts is that they're obtained at the event and commemorate the fact that the wearer (or at very least the original owner) attended it. It was weird to get a new shirt for an old event that neither I nor the person who gave it to me attended.
Thank you Pat for going back in the past and having my brother buy the turbo gfx when it was released. Also thank you for making Bonk a popular character and well known during the time...
TG16 was my first home console as a kid, had the the turbo express too and a ton of games. My parents bought them when they were in the clearance bin after it failed in the US. Still have them and the original boxes. My friends even then didnt know what it was.
I will say I had never heard of the TurboGrafx 16 until Pat's episode on it because I live in a rural area and we never got it marketed to us. However, I did get mine off craigslist a couple years ago from a lady in a neighboring big city who had got it from her boyfriend that worked at Babbage's in 1991 ish. It was brand new basically in the box.
Pat's video was what introduced me to TurboGrafx although I've never owned one (I've seen 2 since I started collecting in 2012 with the 2nd one just last weekend) and I don't get people who amass huge collections of gaming merch, like I've seen people with thousands of dollars of Metal Gear Solid stuff, like it's cool but I couldn't imagine actively collecting that stuff, I do have some merch but not a lot.
I think the Video Cables for particular Consoles are fascinating for their increase in price and rarity. Original Xbox Component Pack, The Gamecube Component Cable, and the first party Sega Black VGA, holy balls has that thing got expensive. Glad I have it and the Gamecube Component cable. Also the Purple Monster S Video cable for Snes, N64, and Gamecube has value to it as well.
In the GameCube case it's just that there wasn't an alternative to the original component cables until recently. Nintendo didn't even consider it much of an important feature since they removed the digital video port on later models.
Never knew anyone that had a TG16 back in the day. I played Bonk on a display model in a local shop, and rented one from a video store with Splatterhouse once. Outside of that, I didn't see one again until the retro thing caught on
I can see buying sealed games for nostalgic purposes. Sure, it's just cellophane but I still remember getting the original Castlevania on the nes at Walmart. It was their last copy and I couldn't wait to play it when I got home. It was a long car drive but holding that sealed copy brings back so many memories.
Some crazy Saturday morning gaming show that I cannot even remember, from back in the early 90s (maybe) is what got ME into collecting Turbografx-16 games and stuff. I was so intrigued by this mysterious "other" 16-bit system that I just HAD to have it and know it. I managed to score the console complete in box for $30 and since then it's been a very, very slow collection of the games. Controllers are always fascinating to see; just to look at what made it to market and to think of what could've possibly been denied--some ideas were so insane! It's also always fun to get some pals together and try out various games you're familiar with (Super Mario Bros.) on these off brand and off-putting controllers.
I clicked this because I recognized the rental case as the same as the one I currently have. There's a good chance it is the same one I rented from Blockbuster when I was little, so when I saw it collecting dust in the back room of a second hand shop I jumped to buy it.
I would love to collect Turbo Grafx 16. I was one of the few people who actually had it when I was a kid. I remember my step dad bringing it home and playing Bonk and Rtype. I have many great memories from that... and now I am seriously debating on collecting the system now.
I have an NES system rental case I got from ebay for $30. It is one of those cases that actually was molded for the NES and not just cut out foam. A friend of mine's dad had TG16 in the early 90s. No one in the neighborhood new what it was and we all thought it was some weird console from the 70s. I just remember playing a hockey game on it that let you get into fist fights.
Some recent examples that surprise me as being expensive are GC Component Cables, Xbox Hi-Def AV Packs, GBA Gamesharks/Action Replays, Registration Cards for certain Genesis and SNES games, RockBand and Guitar Hero Drum kits, original character plushes such as Crash Bandicoot, and system rental cases of course etc.
These days I do collect different things, more or less. It has that treasure hunt thing that I do enjoy to feel. However related to the topic there's one big thing that I REALLY do look for whenever is possible: PlayStation & PS2 demos. I grew up with PlayStation & PS2, so these are one of the most nostalgic things ever in gaming for me. So since I had these two consoles, I used to buy Official PlayStation Magazines & other similar, A'LOT. One reason was that they came with the demo-cd / DVD, that I was always excited when next issue was released. Heck I'm probably one of the few, who remembers Net Yaroze. After magazines ended I started to hunt down these demos in the flea-markets. Not only it was fun, but also exciting since there seemed to be way more different kind of demos that I originally though. I think there was more than couple magazines in Britain, that had demos in them.
What's funny is the game stop my friend manages can't keep Wii u stuff in stock anymore. When they get Wii u games they are gone and so are the systems.
I was aware of the TG16 from commercials and adds in comic books, and thought it was “generic” as far a consoles were concerned. Your video did enlighten me on how good it actually was. To save money I imported a PC Engine, and bought an Everdrive.
When people show off their game room that's just packed with video games and memorabilia, it just wierds me out. I get the appeal of game collecting, but it just comes across as an obsession at that point. It's even worse if half of it is toys, cardboard cut-outs, and posters because then it looks like they are trying to recreate their childhood visits to the toy store or something.
Nothing surprised me as far as the value of this or that. As for collecting in general though, I'm always surpirsed by the amount of younger collectors I see at conventions. The dedication I've seen from 10-15 year olds for NES-SNES games always shocks me a bit.
I've got a Sega CD model 2 rental case. It's the only one I've got & I got it when I bought a Sega lot from someone in my hometown. Now it's sitting under my coffee table with one of my 4 model 2's in it with all the cables & controllers in their foam areas where they go, haha. The only thing it's missing is the sticker on the front/back. I refuse to get bootleg repro labels.
If I were a collector instead of an archivist, those big system cases would probably be one of my obsessions. XD Also, as an archivist, a looot of things make no sense to me about the current collecting atmosphere. I get people like Pat because they're a lot like me. My holy grail as a kid was anything SNK, especially the Neo Geo. I fell in love with it all from a distance, with pics in books, mediocre ports on affordable consoles that just felt like playing Street Fighter with more interesting characters (I FREAKING SAID IT), and the unforgettable first encounter I had with an actual MVS cabinet at a Chinese laundromat. Yes, that is a fact, not a joke or an embellishment. So when I suddenly saw KoF '95, all imported and upgraded into a PSX release, at a local rental store, I became the store's primary source of income. It astounds me, too, how the day-after-day rental and late fees I spent (okay, my PARENTS spent) on that one disc still amounted to less than what an actual Neo-Geo with that one game would have cost. A better version on a better platform with a better budget and all the extras, affordable, accessible, etc. I hate to say it, but SNK's complaints toward the emulation scene are pathetic. When MVS emulation became the easiest and most convenient thing ever, the Neo Geo was already dead in the water because SNK had more love for the gaming audience than they did business sense. Anyone who really paid attention to these sorts of things can see how companies like Nintendo became the way they are today when it comes to the business side versus the "fun/fan" side. Konami probably went to hell because one of the big wigs has nightmares about how SNK committed suicide by releasing the special editions of their top sellers on affordable platforms during the golden age of game rentals. It sort of makes sense to me now why Nintendo sees something like AM2R and freaks out a bit. Meanwhile, they're not at all worried about something like Zelda classic, because Nintendo made a superior version of that during a lunch break just to have an interactive storyboard for Breath of The Wild. So, ummm... yeah, these days if I were a collector, I'd probably value the original MVS system and carts way more than the technically superior PSX "special editions" of KoF games. For me, arcade sticks are the most clunky way to play a fighter, but if I had an MVS cabinet with Art of Fighting ONE on it, I'd probably play that more than the KoF '95 PSX disc on a PC emulator with a PS4 controller and custom graphical enhancements. >.>
Speaking of Turbo Grafx, back when it was on sale a friend was deciding between that and the Genesis. I advised him to the get the Genesis (1990 or so). He wanted to be different and bought the Turbo. It would have been a good call if he kept it, but since it's library was so bad (compared to the Genesis) he sold it YEARS ago, probably around 20 years or more.
Collecting sealed games I don't get at all because you aren't truly enjoying the game content. Doesn't make sense to me! I also never thought that PS1 demo magazine cover discs would become saught after. They have done here in the UK, at least. Back in the day when the PS1 was current, no one ever thought they would become collectable. If they make this claim, they're lying! [Ben]
Another detail I dislike about sealed games is the fact that they're sealed. That plastic wrap can crush boxes from heat exposure and wrecks the quality of the boxes. And yet, sellers want top dollar for these games that have never been played, with their boxes that are in horrible condition, just because it's "sealed". At the point, it's "tarnished".
I dont understand why there's so many people like you who don't understand why people collect sealed/mint items. Do you think a hardcore MTG player plays the game with his Mint cards ?! like wtff... its really not complicated to understand.
I don't understand why there are so many people like you who don't understand that so many people could not care less what a hardcore MTG player does. It's really not complicated to understand. [Ben]
On Ian's comment about full set collecting being weird, I can get that thought process if you are doing it just for bragging rights, but I can also see it being practical for some. In the case of Pat, he is a huge aficionado of the NES, someone who wrote a damn book on the thing. If you are someone who has a true passion or connection to a particular platform and you are trying to be as knowledgeable as you can on it and its releases, I don't think going for a complete set is that bizarre, especially if you actually intend on playing through all of them at least once. I cant think of anything weird at the moment. Maybe bootlegs/hacks? Not like current rom-mods anyone can make, stuff that was actually sold by Chinese countries and such. I suppose even that I could understand the appeal of.
Mr. Vidja Gamez How far you going to put Pats Wanger down your throat?, Full set collecting is F-ing mentle, Full Stop! Filling your shelves up with shite games, why would you do that? I wouldn't do it if i was given them for free!
You would do that for the exact reason I typed out. Its not for everyone, but I can understand the potential appeal of it if you REALLY love a particular system and want to see everything it has to offer that was released during its lifespan. On a much smaller scale, I scouted out all of the releases for the Virtual Boy since I have always had a strong fondness for it and wanted to experience everything that came out for it.
Mr. Vidja Gamez I have every Nes game on 1 disc, no need to buy 100's of naff games and have them take up space in your home! I have a collection of just over 1000 games on 28 systems, thats 1000 good or great games, no tripe!
Thats great for you, but I am talking about a certain selection of people that want to play on the original hardware and want to use the original cartridges, good games or bad. I am specifically referring to people like Pat that have a strong connection and passion for the NES and it would make sense that they would have some interest in pursuing every release it had.
Full set collecting has always seemed odd to me, given that there are so many games for these retro systems that are generally regarded as terrible to the point of being nearly unplayable. There are certain games I can't imagine most people wanting for any reason other than ticking off a box on a complete set checklist.
Rental games are hufely popular collectibles here in Finland among the nes crowd. Cartridges carry a premium if they have even the tiniest remnant of a rental sticker and complete cart + box combos can reach stuck prices.
Does anyone here remember Permastruct rental cases? I have seen a few rental shops with these cases back in my youth. They were commonly used for NES games and had the game instructions on the label on the inner case, and on the outter case had this weird super hero guy punching at nothing and saying "Here's your instructions!".
For me it's carrying cases for handheld systems, at least the first-party ones. I paid 8 bucks shipped for a blue mini-backpack style case for my SP on eBay a few months back. I felt I had paid a bit much as even though the case itself was in good shape, it had some questionable stains on the front as well as the name of the kid who originally owned it still visible (albeit considerably faded.) But it turned out I got a damn steal for that particular bag, as at the time you could find that same exact case (and in only yellow for some reason) for $15-20 plus shipping. I mean I get that a lot of handheld system owners want a first-party case for their system but god damn...
the thing that shocks me the most about retro collecting is the people who collect old dev kits and prototype games the reason is that your basically spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that might not have anything of value on it.
Signage and kiosks are one thing that I never thought would be collectible. The neon sign displays for N64, PS1, and so on, and then the giant kiosks for SNES and NES that you saw in stores all the time. I saw an original gameboy tabletop display kiosk on ebay a few years ago and the guy wanted like $600 for it. As far as systems go its the Ngage. Yes, there are a few people out there who collect for the Ngage, Its a very small library obviously, and there are a few people who actually have complete sets.
True, but in the automotive field for example most of the signage was made of metal or porcelain and often hand painted. Thus it was the high quality craftsmanship that made it collectible. Most of the signs for video games are plastic and lack that kind of quality that would make them desirable.
David Maglioli true, but there are some people out there that collect empty food packaging and so fourth so as long as its in good condition i can see the justification, to be honest, if i saw a sign for 1 of my Favorite games, i'd probably be interested for the right price!
Sealed games aren’t as much about the pristine physical nature as the nostalgia I think. A used copy of a game you loved already has a physical history with someone else, but a sealed copy is sort of like a time machine.. It’s like keeping a little piece of your childhood in a jar, and you have the potential to open it and relive the moment when you first experienced that game, but you don’t open it because then it would be gone. I don’t have any sealed games, but this is how I feel about unopened wax packs of Garbage Pail Kids, and I suspect it evokes the same experience. Then again, some folks probably collect their farts in a jar too, so who the hell knows..
Apparently, Turbografx 16 was ahead of it's time. If only NEC had released it's 16-bit console today, things would be different for the company. And, yes, just about everything is collectable, from rocks to squirrel heads.
I always wanted an Earthbound cart but recently I kinda just gave up on having many games for my Super Nintendo, the system came out before I was even born so I don't have much nostalgia for it. Loved the game tho, bought it on the WiiU VC like a week after they finally released it. Would be nice to get a SD2SNES and see how it looks on original hardware and a CRT.
I want to say demo discs, but I want a few, too. Especially Playstation Underground, when it was a mail order subscription service, and the Pizza hut demo discs, which had my introduction to Final Fantasy. Plus, a lot of demos are a lot different from the final game. Like the Pizza Hut demo for FF8. The entire demo is the attack on Dollet through the satellite boss fight. But for no reason, Rinoa's in your party and she has LEviathan.
Weird accessories like the Homework First lock for the NES that kept kids from playing it. It's like the worst thing ever invented, and yet it still goes for like $75 for collectors.
rental cases is kinda weird I mean I sorta get it because the first time I got to spend some quality time with the dreamcast was as a rental from a local store only way Id buy one now is if it was like 20 bucks..
Old store shelves from stores that sold games, like way back I mean the 80's and 90's. The old SNES tall cases that held games and you'd look thew them like you where buying a poster. I mess these cases.
I feel the same way about action figures cap in the case. If I’m feeling a toy museum, I can understand it. But I got a pull them out and handle them. Plus I have no intention of selling any action figures that I own anyway.
I'm waiting for all of the niche handhelds to get big. Many of the game boy clones, like the mega duck, and supervision. Also competitors that never took off such as th neo geo pocket, or wonderswan. Heck, the ngadge is slowly becoming more and more popular
I collect master system and TG16 and the assessment on the TG16 is spot on. Never had one and was fascinated by it. Great system but totally overpriced due to demand lol.
you find sealed games weird to collect? how much did you spend on your nwc carts? pretty sure you said they're in a safety deposit box (which is smart), but with that you should understand the mentality behind the seal, it's keeping that piece of history in the best possible condition and making sure it's not threatened at all, with you it's keeping it safe from theft i would assume, with the sealed games you're keeping it safe from the elements. personally i enjoy seeing sealed (not purchasing) because there's gotta be some weird history behind it, how is it in circulation without ever being opened? what's the story behind it?
People who go for Complete Collections. I'm a Minimalist, so for me... I just go for the top 50 - 100 of each system I own. or just top 5, like with the DreamCast. Why go for a complete collection, when a vast majority of any systems library, is just pure trash? Especially Sports Games.
Amiibos I knew they would be a hit, knew people would get a few or collect maybe even get them all but when they started making the huge amounts they did after the first few runs and how crazy people got about them and the first prints etc. that really surprised me
I don't have a large sealed games collection, I only have 1 game that is sealed but I paid a lot for it and I think it's cool. If you ever have a box art that you just thought was so cool it's a way to have a perfect condition version of it. I have an unsealed copy of the same game, but I can always play any game with flash carts these days. I just don't think it's that hard to understand why some people would like a brand new shiny copy of a game they think is awesome. I guess if someone has a large collection of sealed games and doesn't have opened copies that might be harder to appreciate, but like I said you can play anything on original hardware with flashcarts these days.
I always wanted a virtual boy in a rental case. I'm with pat it's a nice way to store the consoles. Doesn't matter anymore though, I sold off my collection. I just couldn't justify having a whole room for it. Used a small part of the money on a new GPU, nvme SSD, and a 4TB HDD for roms =P I got over 3k for my games. Still have all my consoles and like 5 games for each. Boxing those up and putting them away. Might keep my modded Saturn in my room though lol.
yep, system rental cases are convenient. I like having the original boxes for the systems to store them, but the rental case is obviously superior for carrying it places. The Virtual Boy rental case is cool and somewhat hard to find in good shape
@@emfs9522 Basically nothing spent except time. I built the collection the hard way, hustling yard sales and thrift stores, selling or trading duplicates and refurbing consoles then selling them to make my money back. Even got into making genesis repros for a while and selling them on forums.
I am seeing more Conker N64 on people's radar. It used to be Earthbound SNES, now it is all Conker N64. Also LGR collecting and Collector edition game are on the rise.
@@liamjamieson8842 Many of James's videos would spike prices of old games. Look at all the copycats who followed in his footsteps. To disregard James as having no influence whatsoever, you're completely out of your mind.
Mermaid Man where you "born in the wrong generation" or something? You obviously have some form of aspergers or something similar so I won't take the time to argue with you on this one. Collecting games because of someone else's opinion is moronic no matter who's opinion it is. Doesn't matter if it was Pat or Kanye West
Why is Pat constantly trying to claim "responsibility" or take credit for people taking an interest in games or systems that weren't very popular when they were new? These things were literally marketed to thousands of people.
Not that nobody ask, and cares , but I've been collecting and going to Swapmeets since waaaay back before finding AVGN and then finding Pat through James , I instantly subscribed to Pat cause of fleamarket madness, but no , Pat didn't have an impact on me nor did AVGN , I was already doing this before I found them. I just love thier work. I don't see them as anything else.
Because you can watch the prices spike beginning the day the video was published. My niece whose in her early 30s had never heard of the Sega Master System until she saw it on my coffee table last week.
The Swap Meet Flea NC9/GDP same here. My dad took me to the local swap meet. My first time was age 7. He bought me mega man 3 from a re seller, it was the newest mega man game at the time. Ever since that day I have been going to the swap meet spending allowance or whatever money I had buying video games.
Gomi Bako he is the og NES punk.... Id say its because its true, he influenced a lot of peoples interest in Nes or whatever. I bet the price of those donkey kong toys even went up..! Of course he isnt the only one.
The Swap Meet Flea NC9/GDP hahaha yeah, you watched all avgn and pat the NES punk without being influenced. YEAH RIGHT lol I guarantee it has influenced you. You seriously didnt discover ANY games through them? I find that hard to belive. funny tho.
What do y'all think about the practice of video game stores throwing away (and destroying, bashing with hammers, shredders, crushers, etc.) retro consoles, games, controllers, and other peripherals, just because they didn't work when the employee plugged them in or the customer said it didn't work and they got returned? Don't know about y'all, but this just baffles me!
RPGs took off? Yeah, it took me like a year or something of looking to get just the manual to Secret of the Stars. I had a loose copy and I wanted to add just the manual to it, didn't want to buy a CIB and have a double. Who'd have thought it would take time to get a loose manual for one of the least-wanted SNES RPGs, until hardcore collecting came up? :P
I agree with Ian, collecting in general is wierd. Pat, good job "getting off the mayo track" lmao.... life goals! My decent collection of complete boxed games and systems going back to sega master system is all at my ex's house overseas... have to pay a bunch of money to ship it from the States to Costa Rica... fuuuuck! Do I think it's kinda dumb and I would rather spend my hard earned money on something else? yes! am I still probably gonna ship it all? Yah! It's wierd...
What are weird, sought-after things in retro game collecting?
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Game guides I have found some people love to collect for games, both for those games they own, and those they do not own.
Im looking for a certain NES dustcover
Which ones are you missing? Cases wise.
Pat is solely responsible for turning me onto Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat...thanks Pat.
I read that as "turning me into" at first. Cool mental image.
Nothing really shocks me anymore now that I’ve gone down the rabbit hole of collecting. Pat your flea market madness series got me into collecting in the first place. I still go to the Englishtown Auction often. I always find something but it def not the same anymore. Thanks Pat for turning me into a mad man trying to collect mountains of plastic and cardboard.
Store display units. Never crossed my mind those would become collectable or that I'd love to own some myself.
Why would you want store display units? Although... that'd be kinda cool. Wait... why did you have to mention it!?
And another collector of them is born.
Lol thats how it works :P
Hmm, thats a good idea too. I wonder if people who hang around E3 or other conventions end up bringing home a load of stuff that was used for promos.
I'd love to own one. Each of them have their own aesthetic based on the console and give insight to each era, and you might get a free CRT too.
I only like collecting games that I enjoy playing. I see no point in having an massive collection of games you don’t even use. Sure it looks cool, but that’s about it.
agreed. It's like me I really like Plug N' Play consoles because each one has a unique look, but at the same time however I'm not gonna buy say a Hannah Montana, or Barbie themed one just because it's different then the other ones in my collection, as I'll never play the shitty games on them, and get any amount of enjoyment out of them.
Nice dude, I remember owning a spongebob Plug N' Play back in the day that was pretty awesome
Jeff Smith, I actually have a Spongebob one where they made his nose the joystick, and once you get past the fact it's Spongebob the games are fairly fun in short burst, and one I pull out at least a few times a year to see if I can beat my high scores. My favorite ones however are the Namco themed ones with Pac-Man or Ms. Pac-Man as I have a few of them, and they never get old in my book.
Truth is, it only looks cool to other nerds...
As an adult it's easy to get the games you know you'll like but it's a challenge to find the time to play them all. It's ironically the exact opposite for children.
I was aware of the TurboGrafx since the day it came out. I never needed a YT video to "know about" it. I was just never interested in it as no one I knew had one and you couldn't trade games on a system no one had. Now the Sega Master system I NEVER knew existed until about 2012 when I started collecting. I never knew it was around yet I got every issue of EGM Monthly and was a very avid Genesis gamer. That's the one that surprised me.
yeah, Master System was fairly ignored in the USA so it seems plenty were only vaguely aware. Turbo has too small of a library for people to actively care until recently imo. Japanese Duo library is a bit different though I suppose
I knew about the SMS and the TG16 growing up. Why? Because my weird uncle bought my cousin's those 2 systems for some reason instead of the more popular systems at the time!
I had one I had splatter house 2 blood wolf
Just remember all the Bonk’s Adventure ads in comic books when I was a kid. I never played the Turbo Grafx 16 until three years ago, and shocked how solid games like Street Fighter II, R-Type, and the original Splatterhouse were. Rondo of Blood should have been released stateside. Awesome game.
Lmao the look Pat gives Ian after he said “rental cases”
I notice TurboGrafx 16 interest increased significantly once the Wii Virtual Console started carrying those games and introduced more people to them. I knew of the TurboGrafx (I remember the old Bonk ads on TV) but only knew a few titles, like Rondo of Blood. The VC made me more aware of specific titles. It also made me aware that I didn't really know much about this system and I'm into retro gaming so I better familiarize myself with this! It was too late though as the prices were already going up.
I don't think it's considered collectible, but one item of merch that I'm surprised exists is the reproduction Nintendo World Championship 1990 shirt that somebody gave me as a gift about five years ago. I've always thought the entire point of event shirts is that they're obtained at the event and commemorate the fact that the wearer (or at very least the original owner) attended it. It was weird to get a new shirt for an old event that neither I nor the person who gave it to me attended.
Thank you Pat for going back in the past and having my brother buy the turbo gfx when it was released. Also thank you for making Bonk a popular character and well known during the time...
TG16 was my first home console as a kid, had the the turbo express too and a ton of games. My parents bought them when they were in the clearance bin after it failed in the US. Still have them and the original boxes. My friends even then didnt know what it was.
I will say I had never heard of the TurboGrafx 16 until Pat's episode on it because I live in a rural area and we never got it marketed to us. However, I did get mine off craigslist a couple years ago from a lady in a neighboring big city who had got it from her boyfriend that worked at Babbage's in 1991 ish. It was brand new basically in the box.
Its not so much what's collected but what people are paying for them imo
Those console rental cases are pretty awesome
Pat's video was what introduced me to TurboGrafx although I've never owned one (I've seen 2 since I started collecting in 2012 with the 2nd one just last weekend) and I don't get people who amass huge collections of gaming merch, like I've seen people with thousands of dollars of Metal Gear Solid stuff, like it's cool but I couldn't imagine actively collecting that stuff, I do have some merch but not a lot.
I think the Video Cables for particular Consoles are fascinating for their increase in price and rarity. Original Xbox Component Pack, The Gamecube Component Cable, and the first party Sega Black VGA, holy balls has that thing got expensive. Glad I have it and the Gamecube Component cable. Also the Purple Monster S Video cable for Snes, N64, and Gamecube has value to it as well.
I need a dreamcast VGA box
OLE SammyOLE There are cheaper solutions out there for them now a days. If you watch some of Adam Koralicts videos, he goes into some cool solitions.
In the GameCube case it's just that there wasn't an alternative to the original component cables until recently. Nintendo didn't even consider it much of an important feature since they removed the digital video port on later models.
How's your sister Pat? Still cursing at you for playing Action 52?
Im an OG TG-16 owner, and Im glad people are now seeing the greatness of that lil' system that I knew all along.
Never knew anyone that had a TG16 back in the day. I played Bonk on a display model in a local shop, and rented one from a video store with Splatterhouse once. Outside of that, I didn't see one again until the retro thing caught on
I can see buying sealed games for nostalgic purposes. Sure, it's just cellophane but I still remember getting the original Castlevania on the nes at Walmart. It was their last copy and I couldn't wait to play it when I got home. It was a long car drive but holding that sealed copy brings back so many memories.
That pause when Pat and Ian look at each other after Ian says: "Rental cases!" (around time index 0:19)
Some crazy Saturday morning gaming show that I cannot even remember, from back in the early 90s (maybe) is what got ME into collecting Turbografx-16 games and stuff. I was so intrigued by this mysterious "other" 16-bit system that I just HAD to have it and know it. I managed to score the console complete in box for $30 and since then it's been a very, very slow collection of the games.
Controllers are always fascinating to see; just to look at what made it to market and to think of what could've possibly been denied--some ideas were so insane! It's also always fun to get some pals together and try out various games you're familiar with (Super Mario Bros.) on these off brand and off-putting controllers.
I clicked this because I recognized the rental case as the same as the one I currently have. There's a good chance it is the same one I rented from Blockbuster when I was little, so when I saw it collecting dust in the back room of a second hand shop I jumped to buy it.
Shocking or weird things in retro game collecting: Healthy relationships
Lol
Yep it's harder to find then stadium events.
I would love to collect Turbo Grafx 16. I was one of the few people who actually had it when I was a kid. I remember my step dad bringing it home and playing Bonk and Rtype. I have many great memories from that... and now I am seriously debating on collecting the system now.
I have an NES system rental case I got from ebay for $30. It is one of those cases that actually was molded for the NES and not just cut out foam.
A friend of mine's dad had TG16 in the early 90s. No one in the neighborhood new what it was and we all thought it was some weird console from the 70s. I just remember playing a hockey game on it that let you get into fist fights.
Some recent examples that surprise me as being expensive are GC Component Cables, Xbox Hi-Def AV Packs, GBA Gamesharks/Action Replays, Registration Cards for certain Genesis and SNES games, RockBand and Guitar Hero Drum kits, original character plushes such as Crash Bandicoot, and system rental cases of course etc.
These days I do collect different things, more or less.
It has that treasure hunt thing that I do enjoy to feel.
However related to the topic there's one big thing that I REALLY do look for whenever is possible: PlayStation & PS2 demos.
I grew up with PlayStation & PS2, so these are one of the most nostalgic things ever in gaming for me.
So since I had these two consoles, I used to buy Official PlayStation Magazines & other similar, A'LOT.
One reason was that they came with the demo-cd / DVD, that I was always excited when next issue was released.
Heck I'm probably one of the few, who remembers Net Yaroze.
After magazines ended I started to hunt down these demos in the flea-markets.
Not only it was fun, but also exciting since there seemed to be way more different kind of demos that I originally though.
I think there was more than couple magazines in Britain, that had demos in them.
I got my Turbografx back when they were still new, but I only ever had 3 games for the thing because they stopped making them shortly afterward. :(
I think in 15-20 years Wii U stuff will be sought after
they ain't getting my amiibos! I only have just under a dozen, yet no wii, wii u, or switch
@@trollhunter6421 "Aye'll take 'em to me grave!"
What's funny is the game stop my friend manages can't keep Wii u stuff in stock anymore. When they get Wii u games they are gone and so are the systems.
I was aware of the TG16 from commercials and adds in comic books, and thought it was “generic” as far a consoles were concerned. Your video did enlighten me on how good it actually was. To save money I imported a PC Engine, and bought an Everdrive.
When people show off their game room that's just packed with video games and memorabilia, it just wierds me out. I get the appeal of game collecting, but it just comes across as an obsession at that point. It's even worse if half of it is toys, cardboard cut-outs, and posters because then it looks like they are trying to recreate their childhood visits to the toy store or something.
when you start to collect both Pat & Ian and find their respective "rental cases" for your collections
This topic broke Ian!! 😵😲
Nothing surprised me as far as the value of this or that. As for collecting in general though, I'm always surpirsed by the amount of younger collectors I see at conventions. The dedication I've seen from 10-15 year olds for NES-SNES games always shocks me a bit.
It must be a Midwest thing, but I like chili and cheese on my dogs :)
I've got a Sega CD model 2 rental case. It's the only one I've got & I got it when I bought a Sega lot from someone in my hometown. Now it's sitting under my coffee table with one of my 4 model 2's in it with all the cables & controllers in their foam areas where they go, haha. The only thing it's missing is the sticker on the front/back. I refuse to get bootleg repro labels.
If I were a collector instead of an archivist, those big system cases would probably be one of my obsessions. XD
Also, as an archivist, a looot of things make no sense to me about the current collecting atmosphere. I get people like Pat because they're a lot like me. My holy grail as a kid was anything SNK, especially the Neo Geo. I fell in love with it all from a distance, with pics in books, mediocre ports on affordable consoles that just felt like playing Street Fighter with more interesting characters (I FREAKING SAID IT), and the unforgettable first encounter I had with an actual MVS cabinet at a Chinese laundromat. Yes, that is a fact, not a joke or an embellishment. So when I suddenly saw KoF '95, all imported and upgraded into a PSX release, at a local rental store, I became the store's primary source of income. It astounds me, too, how the day-after-day rental and late fees I spent (okay, my PARENTS spent) on that one disc still amounted to less than what an actual Neo-Geo with that one game would have cost. A better version on a better platform with a better budget and all the extras, affordable, accessible, etc. I hate to say it, but SNK's complaints toward the emulation scene are pathetic. When MVS emulation became the easiest and most convenient thing ever, the Neo Geo was already dead in the water because SNK had more love for the gaming audience than they did business sense. Anyone who really paid attention to these sorts of things can see how companies like Nintendo became the way they are today when it comes to the business side versus the "fun/fan" side. Konami probably went to hell because one of the big wigs has nightmares about how SNK committed suicide by releasing the special editions of their top sellers on affordable platforms during the golden age of game rentals. It sort of makes sense to me now why Nintendo sees something like AM2R and freaks out a bit. Meanwhile, they're not at all worried about something like Zelda classic, because Nintendo made a superior version of that during a lunch break just to have an interactive storyboard for Breath of The Wild.
So, ummm... yeah, these days if I were a collector, I'd probably value the original MVS system and carts way more than the technically superior PSX "special editions" of KoF games. For me, arcade sticks are the most clunky way to play a fighter, but if I had an MVS cabinet with Art of Fighting ONE on it, I'd probably play that more than the KoF '95 PSX disc on a PC emulator with a PS4 controller and custom graphical enhancements. >.>
78 was a good year for mayonnaise.
I honestly stopped caring about mayonnaise when I found out it's not an instrument. After that realization , I immediately became a ketchup man.
'82 is my preferred vintage
Speaking of Turbo Grafx, back when it was on sale a friend was deciding between that and the Genesis. I advised him to the get the Genesis (1990 or so). He wanted to be different and bought the Turbo. It would have been a good call if he kept it, but since it's library was so bad (compared to the Genesis) he sold it YEARS ago, probably around 20 years or more.
Collecting sealed games I don't get at all because you aren't truly enjoying the game content. Doesn't make sense to me! I also never thought that PS1 demo magazine cover discs would become saught after. They have done here in the UK, at least. Back in the day when the PS1 was current, no one ever thought they would become collectable. If they make this claim, they're lying! [Ben]
Another detail I dislike about sealed games is the fact that they're sealed. That plastic wrap can crush boxes from heat exposure and wrecks the quality of the boxes. And yet, sellers want top dollar for these games that have never been played, with their boxes that are in horrible condition, just because it's "sealed". At the point, it's "tarnished".
I allways pick up demo magazine cover discs for ps1 and ps2 but they getin g harder to find .
I dont understand why there's so many people like you who don't understand why people collect sealed/mint items. Do you think a hardcore MTG player plays the game with his Mint cards ?! like wtff... its really not complicated to understand.
If you never open the packaging, you literally might as well just own that packaging. There's no difference whatsoever.
I don't understand why there are so many people like you who don't understand that so many people could not care less what a hardcore MTG player does. It's really not complicated to understand. [Ben]
On Ian's comment about full set collecting being weird, I can get that thought process if you are doing it just for bragging rights, but I can also see it being practical for some. In the case of Pat, he is a huge aficionado of the NES, someone who wrote a damn book on the thing. If you are someone who has a true passion or connection to a particular platform and you are trying to be as knowledgeable as you can on it and its releases, I don't think going for a complete set is that bizarre, especially if you actually intend on playing through all of them at least once.
I cant think of anything weird at the moment. Maybe bootlegs/hacks? Not like current rom-mods anyone can make, stuff that was actually sold by Chinese countries and such. I suppose even that I could understand the appeal of.
Mr. Vidja Gamez
How far you going to put Pats Wanger down your throat?, Full set collecting is F-ing mentle, Full Stop! Filling your shelves up with shite games, why would you do that? I wouldn't do it if i was given them for free!
You would do that for the exact reason I typed out. Its not for everyone, but I can understand the potential appeal of it if you REALLY love a particular system and want to see everything it has to offer that was released during its lifespan. On a much smaller scale, I scouted out all of the releases for the Virtual Boy since I have always had a strong fondness for it and wanted to experience everything that came out for it.
Mr. Vidja Gamez
I have every Nes game on 1 disc, no need to buy 100's of naff games and have them take up space in your home! I have a collection of just over 1000 games on 28 systems, thats 1000 good or great games, no tripe!
Thats great for you, but I am talking about a certain selection of people that want to play on the original hardware and want to use the original cartridges, good games or bad. I am specifically referring to people like Pat that have a strong connection and passion for the NES and it would make sense that they would have some interest in pursuing every release it had.
Full set collecting has always seemed odd to me, given that there are so many games for these retro systems that are generally regarded as terrible to the point of being nearly unplayable. There are certain games I can't imagine most people wanting for any reason other than ticking off a box on a complete set checklist.
You don’t have to convince me, Pat. Mustard fucking rules.
Rental games are hufely popular collectibles here in Finland among the nes crowd. Cartridges carry a premium if they have even the tiniest remnant of a rental sticker and complete cart + box combos can reach stuck prices.
I love rental cases too!
Does anyone here remember Permastruct rental cases? I have seen a few rental shops with these cases back in my youth. They were commonly used for NES games and had the game instructions on the label on the inner case, and on the outter case had this weird super hero guy punching at nothing and saying "Here's your instructions!".
For me it's carrying cases for handheld systems, at least the first-party ones. I paid 8 bucks shipped for a blue mini-backpack style case for my SP on eBay a few months back. I felt I had paid a bit much as even though the case itself was in good shape, it had some questionable stains on the front as well as the name of the kid who originally owned it still visible (albeit considerably faded.) But it turned out I got a damn steal for that particular bag, as at the time you could find that same exact case (and in only yellow for some reason) for $15-20 plus shipping. I mean I get that a lot of handheld system owners want a first-party case for their system but god damn...
I LOVE the turbografx 16! So many great games I missed out on before. I have 50 games for it now, still want more
You understand the radical 16 bit turbo power.
the thing that shocks me the most about retro collecting is the people who collect old dev kits and prototype games the reason is that your basically spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that might not have anything of value on it.
2:36 "epherma"?......Pat went dyslexic on that one...switched the R and M. Ephemera
Disc roth shockes me
totally agree with you on the sealed game thing never got why anyone would do that I need to play games not just have them to look at on a shelf
Signage and kiosks are one thing that I never thought would be collectible. The neon sign displays for N64, PS1, and so on, and then the giant kiosks for SNES and NES that you saw in stores all the time. I saw an original gameboy tabletop display kiosk on ebay a few years ago and the guy wanted like $600 for it. As far as systems go its the Ngage. Yes, there are a few people out there who collect for the Ngage, Its a very small library obviously, and there are a few people who actually have complete sets.
David Maglioli
Signage is massively collected in other fields, that doesn't surprise me at all!
True, but in the automotive field for example most of the signage was made of metal or porcelain and often hand painted. Thus it was the high quality craftsmanship that made it collectible. Most of the signs for video games are plastic and lack that kind of quality that would make them desirable.
David Maglioli
true, but there are some people out there that collect empty food packaging and so fourth so as long as its in good condition i can see the justification, to be honest, if i saw a sign for 1 of my Favorite games, i'd probably be interested for the right price!
Tiger Electronics LCD Handhelds. They were barely games when they came out.
They're still barely games, and now stuff like them and Game & Watch are going to be a major feature in Kingdom Hearts 3.
Sealed games aren’t as much about the pristine physical nature as the nostalgia I think. A used copy of a game you loved already has a physical history with someone else, but a sealed copy is sort of like a time machine.. It’s like keeping a little piece of your childhood in a jar, and you have the potential to open it and relive the moment when you first experienced that game, but you don’t open it because then it would be gone. I don’t have any sealed games, but this is how I feel about unopened wax packs of Garbage Pail Kids, and I suspect it evokes the same experience. Then again, some folks probably collect their farts in a jar too, so who the hell knows..
Apparently, Turbografx 16 was ahead of it's time. If only NEC had released it's 16-bit console today, things would be different for the company.
And, yes, just about everything is collectable, from rocks to squirrel heads.
Sorry Pat, Turbo was known before your videos. lol
TurboGrafx also has one of the best library of games for a single system.
Game Storage in general I find like those N64 game bins.
Don't worry Pat you introduced me to Turbo Graphx 16 gaming I had no idea what it was before then LOL
To back up Pat, I didn't know shit about turbo until his videos back in 2010ish
Why did i sell my saturn rental case?! That system was super clean. On to the next collection. No. 5 i believe.
I always wanted an Earthbound cart but recently I kinda just gave up on having many games for my Super Nintendo, the system came out before I was even born so I don't have much nostalgia for it. Loved the game tho, bought it on the WiiU VC like a week after they finally released it. Would be nice to get a SD2SNES and see how it looks on original hardware and a CRT.
I wish there was 40 minute videos on this topic :(
I had to look up the regis video so if you haven't seen it, go to 1:41 on this video ruclips.net/video/QvgmFmewQgs/видео.html
I want to say demo discs, but I want a few, too. Especially Playstation Underground, when it was a mail order subscription service, and the Pizza hut demo discs, which had my introduction to Final Fantasy. Plus, a lot of demos are a lot different from the final game. Like the Pizza Hut demo for FF8. The entire demo is the attack on Dollet through the satellite boss fight. But for no reason, Rinoa's in your party and she has LEviathan.
any old video game going above 200-300$ seems insane to me.
Weird accessories like the Homework First lock for the NES that kept kids from playing it. It's like the worst thing ever invented, and yet it still goes for like $75 for collectors.
Oof.. savage moment from Ian saying that collecting full sets of games is weird.
Comic books in the 1990's burned me on collecting. I enjoy retro gaming, and the TG 16 is my favorite system, but I'll stick to my emulators.
if they have the cash they can collect what they want everybody likes a certain thing and should enjoy it as long as it isnt an obsession
Isn't collecting an obsession ?...
rental cases is kinda weird I mean I sorta get it because the first time I got to spend some quality time with the dreamcast was as a rental from a local store only way Id buy one now is if it was like 20 bucks..
Old store shelves from stores that sold games, like way back I mean the 80's and 90's. The old SNES tall cases that held games and you'd look thew them like you where buying a poster. I mess these cases.
I feel the same way about action figures cap in the case. If I’m feeling a toy museum, I can understand it. But I got a pull them out and handle them. Plus I have no intention of selling any action figures that I own anyway.
This video title made me think that you guys were going to mention the heroin my brother and I found inside NES games. :)
That's indeed a strange one lol!
It's on the next podcast!
Pat the NES Punk Looking forward to it! :) Also available to answer any questions you might have.
I watched the video cleary staged.
I'm waiting for all of the niche handhelds to get big.
Many of the game boy clones, like the mega duck, and supervision. Also competitors that never took off such as th neo geo pocket, or wonderswan.
Heck, the ngadge is slowly becoming more and more popular
I collect master system and TG16 and the assessment on the TG16 is spot on. Never had one and was fascinated by it. Great system but totally overpriced due to demand lol.
What rental cases do you still need Pat?
you find sealed games weird to collect? how much did you spend on your nwc carts? pretty sure you said they're in a safety deposit box (which is smart), but with that you should understand the mentality behind the seal, it's keeping that piece of history in the best possible condition and making sure it's not threatened at all, with you it's keeping it safe from theft i would assume, with the sealed games you're keeping it safe from the elements. personally i enjoy seeing sealed (not purchasing) because there's gotta be some weird history behind it, how is it in circulation without ever being opened? what's the story behind it?
I think the interest in retro gaming can be mostly attributed to avgn. People got reintroduced.
Usually at the end of a console cycle the price becomes reasonable, not in the case of the Neo Geo
Definitely you and Happy Console Gamer turned me on to me about Turbo Grafix 16.
People who go for Complete Collections.
I'm a Minimalist, so for me... I just go for the top 50 - 100 of each system I own. or just top 5, like with the DreamCast.
Why go for a complete collection, when a vast majority of any systems library, is just pure trash? Especially Sports Games.
Amiibos I knew they would be a hit, knew people would get a few or collect maybe even get them all but when they started making the huge amounts they did after the first few runs and how crazy people got about them and the first prints etc. that really surprised me
I don't have a large sealed games collection, I only have 1 game that is sealed but I paid a lot for it and I think it's cool. If you ever have a box art that you just thought was so cool it's a way to have a perfect condition version of it. I have an unsealed copy of the same game, but I can always play any game with flash carts these days. I just don't think it's that hard to understand why some people would like a brand new shiny copy of a game they think is awesome.
I guess if someone has a large collection of sealed games and doesn't have opened copies that might be harder to appreciate, but like I said you can play anything on original hardware with flashcarts these days.
I always wanted a virtual boy in a rental case. I'm with pat it's a nice way to store the consoles.
Doesn't matter anymore though, I sold off my collection. I just couldn't justify having a whole room for it. Used a small part of the money on a new GPU, nvme SSD, and a 4TB HDD for roms =P
I got over 3k for my games. Still have all my consoles and like 5 games for each. Boxing those up and putting them away. Might keep my modded Saturn in my room though lol.
yep, system rental cases are convenient. I like having the original boxes for the systems to store them, but the rental case is obviously superior for carrying it places. The Virtual Boy rental case is cool and somewhat hard to find in good shape
3k for what 15k spent.
@@emfs9522 Basically nothing spent except time. I built the collection the hard way, hustling yard sales and thrift stores, selling or trading duplicates and refurbing consoles then selling them to make my money back. Even got into making genesis repros for a while and selling them on forums.
Collecting N64 , will never understand why .
I am seeing more Conker N64 on people's radar. It used to be Earthbound SNES, now it is all Conker N64. Also LGR collecting and Collector edition game are on the rise.
Drugs in NES carts are quite shocking.
My biggest collections are NES and Colecovision. Weird.
The AVGN is half the reason everyone started collecting old games, especially NES games.
no
@@liamjamieson8842 Many of James's videos would spike prices of old games. Look at all the copycats who followed in his footsteps. To disregard James as having no influence whatsoever, you're completely out of your mind.
32X went from $5 cib to 80 loose system
Wasn't there a rapper who claimed the turbografix16 was his favorite game console? Maybe it was kanye? I think maybe that's why it took off
Mermaid Man how so? How many millions of people would have seen that tweet compared to the ~100k people who would see Pat talk about it
Mermaid Man where you "born in the wrong generation" or something?
You obviously have some form of aspergers or something similar so I won't take the time to argue with you on this one.
Collecting games because of someone else's opinion is moronic no matter who's opinion it is. Doesn't matter if it was Pat or Kanye West
@Mermaid Man You troll every CUPODCAST comment section.
Why is Pat constantly trying to claim "responsibility" or take credit for people taking an interest in games or systems that weren't very popular when they were new? These things were literally marketed to thousands of people.
Not that nobody ask, and cares , but I've been collecting and going to Swapmeets since waaaay back before finding AVGN and then finding Pat through James , I instantly subscribed to Pat cause of fleamarket madness, but no , Pat didn't have an impact on me nor did AVGN , I was already doing this before I found them. I just love thier work. I don't see them as anything else.
Because you can watch the prices spike beginning the day the video was published.
My niece whose in her early 30s had never heard of the Sega Master System until she saw it on my coffee table last week.
The Swap Meet Flea NC9/GDP same here. My dad took me to the local swap meet. My first time was age 7. He bought me mega man 3 from a re seller, it was the newest mega man game at the time. Ever since that day I have been going to the swap meet spending allowance or whatever money I had buying video games.
Gomi Bako he is the og NES punk....
Id say its because its true, he influenced a lot of peoples interest in Nes or whatever.
I bet the price of those donkey kong toys even went up..!
Of course he isnt the only one.
The Swap Meet Flea NC9/GDP hahaha yeah, you watched all avgn and pat the NES punk without being influenced. YEAH RIGHT lol
I guarantee it has influenced you. You seriously didnt discover ANY games through them? I find that hard to belive.
funny tho.
Collecting is a slippery slope.
What do y'all think about the practice of video game stores throwing away (and destroying, bashing with hammers, shredders, crushers, etc.) retro consoles, games, controllers, and other peripherals, just because they didn't work when the employee plugged them in or the customer said it didn't work and they got returned?
Don't know about y'all, but this just baffles me!
RPGs took off? Yeah, it took me like a year or something of looking to get just the manual to Secret of the Stars. I had a loose copy and I wanted to add just the manual to it, didn't want to buy a CIB and have a double. Who'd have thought it would take time to get a loose manual for one of the least-wanted SNES RPGs, until hardcore collecting came up? :P
I agree with Ian, collecting in general is wierd. Pat, good job "getting off the mayo track" lmao.... life goals! My decent collection of complete boxed games and systems going back to sega master system is all at my ex's house overseas... have to pay a bunch of money to ship it from the States to Costa Rica... fuuuuck! Do I think it's kinda dumb and I would rather spend my hard earned money on something else? yes! am I still probably gonna ship it all? Yah! It's wierd...
I collect video store leaflets from around the world.
The sneeze lol