When I tell you ALL of your videos have helped this beginner photographer, I MEAN IT! RUclipsrs such as yourself are NEEDED so pleeease keep doing what you are doing and I truly hope God brings you great fortune for everything you are doing to help people like me
I stumbled upon your channel a few days ago and I’ve been binge watching you since, so much great content! As a beginner who is getting his first camera, thank you!
I would agree with most of the things here, except for the used full frame after the compact camera. The jump in size and weight is huge, and in most lighting conditions, full frame and crop sensors (APS-C or M43) provide very similar image quality. When comparing older Full Frame vs newer crop sensor bodies, other features should also be taken into account, such as consistent eye auto-focus for portraits or high burst speed for sports/wildlife.
This video is basically an abstract of the dozens of hours I spent searching for information about what camera and lens should I buy first. At the end I bought a Sony a7 iii and a Tamron 28-75 mm lens.
How come this video doesn’t have any likes? RUclips must be broken. Great video Pat, I recently discovered your channel, but I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for your hard work.
I started on iphone and as I grow my skill I feel the limitation and since then upgraded to real camera and I am still shooting some broll on my iphone these days.
As someone who's more intermediate and looking to "upgrade" gear what you said at the end of the video really resonated with me. What I needed to hear. Would rather focus on vision and execution than being able to know I have more costly hardware!
You sir are my mentor! (Currently doing the visual patterns vids week by week). I currently have an m50ii + kitlens but I want to upgrade to another system before I buy new lenses. I'm honestly a bit overwhelmed with the weight and the size of full frame camera's, as I like to bring the camera with me everywhere I go including my travels, street photography and coffee places and make shooting easy and fun. I'm wondering what you, or any of you guys/girls on here think of starting out with a Fuji camera (XT30) instead of FF.
I finally saved enough money to buy a camera. Im looking to shoot a lot of sports activities with a few portraits here and there. Any suggestions on what camera to buy? Thanks you and love all your videos by the way
He didn't lie about choosing your lens mount. I am stuck with Canon RF because I was stupid :D. I am now regretting my life choice and Sony got a lot of third party cheap lenses. I should have went for Sony A7c.
Absolutely perfect video for me right now as I'm planning on buying one. I've settled on the A7C with the kit lens. Can I ask how good or bad the kit lens has served you? Also can I request you to make a video about how you set your camera settings for video? Thanks again for such amazing content. ☺️
it's fantastic, seriously. its probably one of the best kit lenses around in terms of quality, and the fact that i could fit two in the size of my palm is such a huge bonus!
Love the video Pat! If I could make a suggestion I would advice you to add the markers into your videos timeline so the viewer can jump around the video to go to particular information. Again, love the content and I want you to get more followers man!!
Stick to fuji or jump to A7III series I would suggest. Battery in A72 is pain, AF is not quite as good as in A73 or maybe even fuji xt3 since it got so many major updates over time. Anyways - what's the problem with the fuji?
I still have my trusty Nikon D700, but the X-Trans sensor is something different. It's a pretty trick sensor that exhibits low noise that allows even deeper recovery than the D700. Unless you're going pro, consider investing in better lenses. The new 18mm f1.4 is pretty amazing, high resolution and super smooth OOF rendition. It's a 1000usd lens but cheaper (and possibly better) than a 1700usd 28mm f1.4 FF Nikkor lens. FF is a chore to carry but images do have that familiar classic 35mm look that looks a bit more relaxed or expansive than that of APS-C.
From a learning standpoint and cost-quality perspective, I really love my Fuji. Yes it's APS-C, but as you explained, it's kinda in-between the small and bigger world of cameras (like my A7iii) and for that it does everything I want. While the A7iii is my work horse and camera for quality shootings, the more I work with my Fuji "Hobby" camera, the more I feel like that APS-C is or at least can be the much better option especially for beginners. Of course there's a thing to learn with the crop factor maths and watching your light more, but I think learning these things can be important or should even be part of the FF experience. This does not mean that I see FF as a "Pro-Only" body, not at all, but that for APS-C, at least Fujis X cameras in my experience, punch well above their weight class. Finally, saying to get used FF over APS-C is how I started aswell, but now looking at it, buying used APS-C might have been even more affordable. Comparing used to used and new to new prices is a "fairer" way to approach bit imo. Eventually, I like both formats and there's not a definite answer to what is good for everyone, but looking at price, APS-C can and often will still be cheaper than FF (outside of Sony - Sonys APS-C are quite close to their FF prices). While my FF gives me better quality, I learned more from APS-C because the hurdles it sets made me learn how to watch out for and circumvent them. And had I started with MFT, I might even be calling that a teachable moment, but from what I used, it seldom satisfied me for the work I put into it.
thanks for your perspective! while there's certainly no foolproof "correct" answer, the main reason i suggest making such a huge jump from a compact to a full frame is because the jump is in fact, large, encouraging people to both stay on a much lower "quality" device for longer and focus on composition first, and then reward themselves with the big payoff of a full frame. as for your Fuji experience, i really do see that as an outlier brand---i totally agree with you, fuji's are fantastic and punch well above their weight. however for most other manufacturers the aspc vs FF disparity is a very different situation
Pat, can you please explain the processing of smart phones pictures on PC? I am a Google Environment person and I own a Pixel 5a ( replacing a Pixel 3a ) which I read they have very good cameras. Is any compression rate when you transferring to Google photos' App? I watched a lot of your videos and all of them make a lot of sense to me as a hobbyist photographer. Thank you and please keep on making interesting videos. I think you have huge experience and knowledge about photography, understanding the whole process, from shooting to final images.
Love your quite forthright sense of purpose as the primary mover for what you envision rather than a particular OEM or size. I find myself reinvigorated by the compositions I see and am currently “stuck” in an Apsc format Sony A6000 with some older lenses I picked up an open boxed A6400, just to get something a little better recently. Thinking of getting the Sigma 18-50 f2.8 to get a wider bokeh and close focus capabilities with more sharpness.
For anyone planning to go Sony full frame, please don't get the 24-70 f4. It was one of the very first for e mount and is reallyyyy showing its age. Overpriced for what you get compared to the 24-105 f4 which gives you better build quality, weather sealing, better image quality, longer range, etc. Only for a bit more.
Oh man, I just bought a used Sony a6400 with the 30mm f1.4 Sigma lense and now I saw your video where you recommend not to buy an APS-C camera. I guess I have go with your last words: it's not the gear that makes good pictures!
Thank you! loads of helpful information, compact cameras..nice! would love a 70-200mm, ah. loving my 18-55mm in the meantime while practicing 'the rudiments of composition'...!🏞☺️
one of the reasons i rave about the RX 100 series is because the newer ones have a range of 24-200mm, which means i never have to really bring a 70-200 around with me 😂
A 24-105mm f4 might be the best first lens to get along with full frame and then upgrade from there. My R6 with the RF 24-105f4 is already quite a workhorse.
Pat specifically recommended buying a used for but did not go into the downfalls of used. Just like any used item yes you need to watch for impact signs or abuse to the equipment. That is different from high use. As for shutter count check the manufacturers specifications for the life of the shutter as this varies depending on what level that camera falls in the line up. I hope this helps.
Mirrorless is fantastic and can help you in tough lighting situations as you are typically seeing a live view so you have a pretty good idea what is going to happen with your image. You can see the depth of field and what your exposure is doing. I have to remind myself to actually pay attention to it. It will not take better pictures but may help you see something you are missing. With a dslr it will teach you to pay attention to everything as you dont get to see the image until afterwards. In additional you dont have the clanking of the mirror especially if you are photographing wildlife.
as i'm advising it, yes, it is. people really like to bang on about "shutter count" being the defining factor when it comes to second hand purchasing, but as many FF bodies are rated for shutter counts in the hundreds of thousands and still continue to work for many many more counts after that, just like a used car, it's not an issue. better to pay attention to overall body condition and check if everything is working as it should. also re:mirrorless, mirrorless is the future. if you're buying into dlsr, you're buying into old tech.
really enjoy the channel and respect to your opinion, I'm a hobbyist on the fence between the Z5 and a slightly used z6ii, I would get the ftz adapter so I could use my f-mount glass. Please share your insight, thank you!
To me, a phone is a phone. A serious camera for real photography, should only just take thoughtfully composed photos without being able to make calls with.
Using a phone? They have 0 ergonomic, near 0 controls. I hate using them as a camera 🤮 Point and shoot. Are better then smartphone, but : sensor will collect dust with time and many motor zoom lens are prone to break sooner or later. Full frame? Really? For what? Making Instagram pictures? Spending a lot of money for body and lenses many will not use because heavy and cumbersome? Sorry I fully disagree with this video. Regards.
When I tell you ALL of your videos have helped this beginner photographer, I MEAN IT! RUclipsrs such as yourself are NEEDED so pleeease keep doing what you are doing and I truly hope God brings you great fortune for everything you are doing to help people like me
it's my pleasure! i'm glad you're loving the videos. will be making more :)
@@patkay IKR, totally agreed. out of all youtubers I know, he is THE best on the topic of starting out photography, and just photography in general
I stumbled upon your channel a few days ago and I’ve been binge watching you since, so much great content! As a beginner who is getting his first camera, thank you!
my pleasure! thanks for watching :)
I would agree with most of the things here, except for the used full frame after the compact camera. The jump in size and weight is huge, and in most lighting conditions, full frame and crop sensors (APS-C or M43) provide very similar image quality. When comparing older Full Frame vs newer crop sensor bodies, other features should also be taken into account, such as consistent eye auto-focus for portraits or high burst speed for sports/wildlife.
This video is basically an abstract of the dozens of hours I spent searching for information about what camera and lens should I buy first. At the end I bought a Sony a7 iii and a Tamron 28-75 mm lens.
How come this video doesn’t have any likes? RUclips must be broken. Great video Pat, I recently discovered your channel, but I really enjoy your videos. Thank you for your hard work.
I started on iphone and as I grow my skill I feel the limitation and since then upgraded to real camera and I am still shooting some broll on my iphone these days.
Going from cheap compact, to bridge, and jumping directly to full fram after a few years was the best choice i could take to learn.
As someone who's more intermediate and looking to "upgrade" gear what you said at the end of the video really resonated with me. What I needed to hear. Would rather focus on vision and execution than being able to know I have more costly hardware!
that's the best message i can give you, to be honest :)
You sir are my mentor! (Currently doing the visual patterns vids week by week).
I currently have an m50ii + kitlens but I want to upgrade to another system before I buy new lenses. I'm honestly a bit overwhelmed with the weight and the size of full frame camera's, as I like to bring the camera with me everywhere I go including my travels, street photography and coffee places and make shooting easy and fun. I'm wondering what you, or any of you guys/girls on here think of starting out with a Fuji camera (XT30) instead of FF.
I finally saved enough money to buy a camera. Im looking to shoot a lot of sports activities with a few portraits here and there. Any suggestions on what camera to buy? Thanks you and love all your videos by the way
He didn't lie about choosing your lens mount. I am stuck with Canon RF because I was stupid :D. I am now regretting my life choice and Sony got a lot of third party cheap lenses. I should have went for Sony A7c.
Absolutely perfect video for me right now as I'm planning on buying one. I've settled on the A7C with the kit lens. Can I ask how good or bad the kit lens has served you? Also can I request you to make a video about how you set your camera settings for video? Thanks again for such amazing content. ☺️
it's fantastic, seriously. its probably one of the best kit lenses around in terms of quality, and the fact that i could fit two in the size of my palm is such a huge bonus!
I'm very happy with mi Olympus OM-D E 10IV with 45 mm f1.8 lens.
It's light, adorable and give me fantastic imagine quality.
i started photography with the E-M10 as well! nifty little thing
Love the video Pat! If I could make a suggestion I would advice you to add the markers into your videos timeline so the viewer can jump around the video to go to particular information. Again, love the content and I want you to get more followers man!!
Look into vintage lenses, especially for primes. You can save a lot of money and they can be very good.
+1!
I wish I had this advice earlier. Currently, I am in the process of selling my Fujifilm X-T3 and buying a used Sony A7R II
Stick to fuji or jump to A7III series I would suggest. Battery in A72 is pain, AF is not quite as good as in A73 or maybe even fuji xt3 since it got so many major updates over time. Anyways - what's the problem with the fuji?
I still have my trusty Nikon D700, but the X-Trans sensor is something different. It's a pretty trick sensor that exhibits low noise that allows even deeper recovery than the D700. Unless you're going pro, consider investing in better lenses. The new 18mm f1.4 is pretty amazing, high resolution and super smooth OOF rendition. It's a 1000usd lens but cheaper (and possibly better) than a 1700usd 28mm f1.4 FF Nikkor lens. FF is a chore to carry but images do have that familiar classic 35mm look that looks a bit more relaxed or expansive than that of APS-C.
From a learning standpoint and cost-quality perspective, I really love my Fuji. Yes it's APS-C, but as you explained, it's kinda in-between the small and bigger world of cameras (like my A7iii) and for that it does everything I want. While the A7iii is my work horse and camera for quality shootings, the more I work with my Fuji "Hobby" camera, the more I feel like that APS-C is or at least can be the much better option especially for beginners. Of course there's a thing to learn with the crop factor maths and watching your light more, but I think learning these things can be important or should even be part of the FF experience.
This does not mean that I see FF as a "Pro-Only" body, not at all, but that for APS-C, at least Fujis X cameras in my experience, punch well above their weight class. Finally, saying to get used FF over APS-C is how I started aswell, but now looking at it, buying used APS-C might have been even more affordable. Comparing used to used and new to new prices is a "fairer" way to approach bit imo.
Eventually, I like both formats and there's not a definite answer to what is good for everyone, but looking at price, APS-C can and often will still be cheaper than FF (outside of Sony - Sonys APS-C are quite close to their FF prices). While my FF gives me better quality, I learned more from APS-C because the hurdles it sets made me learn how to watch out for and circumvent them. And had I started with MFT, I might even be calling that a teachable moment, but from what I used, it seldom satisfied me for the work I put into it.
thanks for your perspective! while there's certainly no foolproof "correct" answer, the main reason i suggest making such a huge jump from a compact to a full frame is because the jump is in fact, large, encouraging people to both stay on a much lower "quality" device for longer and focus on composition first, and then reward themselves with the big payoff of a full frame.
as for your Fuji experience, i really do see that as an outlier brand---i totally agree with you, fuji's are fantastic and punch well above their weight. however for most other manufacturers the aspc vs FF disparity is a very different situation
Great to see more content Pat. I hope you're doing great.
thanks! was good to take a little break :)
What do you think about the four thirds? I'm thinking about buying a Panasonic GF2
Excellent video, really useful 👍
Pat, can you please explain the processing of smart phones pictures on PC? I am a Google Environment person and I own a Pixel 5a ( replacing a Pixel 3a ) which I read they have very good cameras. Is any compression rate when you transferring to Google photos' App? I watched a lot of your videos and all of them make a lot of sense to me as a hobbyist photographer. Thank you and please keep on making interesting videos. I think you have huge experience and knowledge about photography, understanding the whole process, from shooting to final images.
I really needed this video! Can't decide on a camera for half a year now! Thanks!
i hope it helps you!
Great advice! Thank you for your thoughtfulness and thoroughness in advice. Which model of the Sony RX100 are you using/referring? Thanks.
which full frame camera should i buy used?
Forget what I said yesterday 🤣😂keep doing what you're doing you got this............
Solid advice and a great run through on the options available
glad you think so! thanks for watching
Love your quite forthright sense of purpose as the primary mover for what you envision rather than a particular OEM or size.
I find myself reinvigorated by the compositions I see and am currently “stuck” in an Apsc format Sony A6000 with some older lenses
I picked up an open boxed A6400, just to get something a little better recently. Thinking of getting the Sigma 18-50 f2.8 to get a wider bokeh and close focus capabilities with more sharpness.
Iphone yeah super good but I just don't get the same rewarding feeling. But great for practicing composition.
Can’t wait to watch this one, I’m always looking forward to your videos, Pat! Thanks for inspiring and helping us
glad you're getting value out of it! :)
For anyone planning to go Sony full frame, please don't get the 24-70 f4. It was one of the very first for e mount and is reallyyyy showing its age. Overpriced for what you get compared to the 24-105 f4 which gives you better build quality, weather sealing, better image quality, longer range, etc. Only for a bit more.
can second that actually. 24-105 is a superb lens, not just by comparison but in general
Get 24-70mm sigma DGDN
Oh man, I just bought a used Sony a6400 with the 30mm f1.4 Sigma lense and now I saw your video where you recommend not to buy an APS-C camera. I guess I have go with your last words: it's not the gear that makes good pictures!
Quality advice! Thanks Pat.
I still have a Panasonic Lumix TZ60 with Leica lens, compact but stunning shots. Certainly lighter than my Z7 & couple of lenses.
Thanks for inspiration. How do you recommend to grow audience on RUclips and Instagram?
Such clear explanations and advice, absolutely love the vids!
Thank you! loads of helpful information, compact cameras..nice! would love a 70-200mm, ah. loving my 18-55mm in the meantime while practicing 'the rudiments of composition'...!🏞☺️
one of the reasons i rave about the RX 100 series is because the newer ones have a range of 24-200mm, which means i never have to really bring a 70-200 around with me 😂
@@patkay ah! cool, love that!!☺️👍🏼
Liked the simple way you speak about all these topics, make it esasy to understand. Congrats. + 1 Sub ;)
A 24-105mm f4 might be the best first lens to get along with full frame and then upgrade from there.
My R6 with the RF 24-105f4 is already quite a workhorse.
which is what i mentioned in the video, so yeah, agreed.
Nice one pk! Give me that A1 haha
Is it advisable to purchase a used FF? What about the shuttle count? And should one go for mirrorless?? I’d like to upgrade from my aps c
Pat specifically recommended buying a used for but did not go into the downfalls of used. Just like any used item yes you need to watch for impact signs or abuse to the equipment. That is different from high use. As for shutter count check the manufacturers specifications for the life of the shutter as this varies depending on what level that camera falls in the line up. I hope this helps.
Mirrorless is fantastic and can help you in tough lighting situations as you are typically seeing a live view so you have a pretty good idea what is going to happen with your image. You can see the depth of field and what your exposure is doing. I have to remind myself to actually pay attention to it.
It will not take better pictures but may help you see something you are missing. With a dslr it will teach you to pay attention to everything as you dont get to see the image until afterwards.
In additional you dont have the clanking of the mirror especially if you are photographing wildlife.
@@jlopez7596 thank you. Your info helped me to further understand the whole concept of Pat's video.
as i'm advising it, yes, it is. people really like to bang on about "shutter count" being the defining factor when it comes to second hand purchasing, but as many FF bodies are rated for shutter counts in the hundreds of thousands and still continue to work for many many more counts after that, just like a used car, it's not an issue. better to pay attention to overall body condition and check if everything is working as it should.
also re:mirrorless, mirrorless is the future. if you're buying into dlsr, you're buying into old tech.
@@patkay good information. Thanks for the great videos. I've learned a bunch👍🏾
thank you
Great Content!
thansk for watching :)
really enjoy the channel and respect to your opinion, I'm a hobbyist on the fence between the Z5 and a slightly used z6ii, I would get the ftz adapter so I could use my f-mount glass. Please share your insight, thank you!
great job
Unlike 99.99% of all people, I do not carry my smart phone. So, when I think about an everyday carry camera, it comes down to a small compact camera.
To me, a phone is a phone. A serious camera for real photography, should only just take thoughtfully composed photos without being able to make calls with.
cool
its really not confusing to buy camera unless your completely knew to the hobby ahah
Hey Pat, are you based in Tokyo?
Nope, based in the downunder trash country
now now, no need to be toxic here.
i was previously living in Tokyo, yes. now back home in Sydney.
Buy a canon camera everyone haha
“hide user from channel”, bye 😂
Using a phone? They have 0 ergonomic, near 0 controls. I hate using them as a camera 🤮
Point and shoot. Are better then smartphone, but : sensor will collect dust with time and many motor zoom lens are prone to break sooner or later.
Full frame? Really? For what? Making Instagram pictures? Spending a lot of money for body and lenses many will not use because heavy and cumbersome? Sorry I fully disagree with this video. Regards.