I've been into photography off and on for about 40 years now. I subscribed to a couple of very popular RUclips photographers in the past couple of years to try to up my game. This is the second video I've watched of Pat's and between the two, I've learned so much more than the others that I decided to unsubscribe from the others and focus on Mr. Kay. Pat, you have an excellent formula here, keep up the great work!
I've been a photographer for almost 10 years, so decided I should up my game. This video has been the most informative, logical and straightforward one for pricing that I have ever come across. Despite knowing almost all aspects, learning about 'emotional costs' from you was something I never considered and it is a game changer for pricing! I've already referenced it twice and will definitely share it with fellow photographer friends. Big thanks to you, Pat! 🙏❤
Great video. I’d recommend that freelancers add a little money to your price you give clients to help pay for taxes. Don’t let it all come out of your hourly rate. (Bump that up.) Freelancers are their own boss and have to pay taxes to. If you’ve had a regular job that money was taken out before you got paid and the employer paid for some Social Security. (In the US.) Also consider adding a little bit to pay for your own healthcare. (A very big expensive issue in the US.) All of Pats advice is spot on! Thanks! (I’m not an accountant. Find one! They’re lifesavers.)
As a starter photographer, I’ve struggled with coming up with a number to give my clients when they ask for a photoshoot. This has definitely helped outline the cost. Thank you so much Pat! You’ve earned yourself a subscriber! 🙏🏽
I have watched three videos so far about pricing. Yours is the best. I recommend this video to many people who want to know how to rate and still need to check out the rest of your videos. Thanks for this, really!
I’ve been doing photography for fun and ever since I found your video’s you’ve helped me improve soo much more and I’ve been considering to be professional thanks to you😬
Very helpful video! I'm in the field of content writing and digital marketing, but want to soon start expanding my work into photography and go solo (not working for a single business) on all things to create my own brand. What I've struggled most with is evaluating the price of my work, but this helped me feel more confident in giving value to what I do.
This video is a gem, not only for photographers but for anyone who look to provide any services. Now what tickle my mind after looking it is is : How to price a print ? I know this is more than a year this video was released, but who know, this can be a good subject for another video. Bests
This is so insightful and there were so many things you brought up that I never considered. Definitely gonna apply a bunch of these for my next few gigs. Being a part timer photographer on the side is useful since I can see what works and doesn’t work 😂
Thank you so much for presenting this information in a very clear and streamlined way. I really appreciate clicking on a video and getting all the information I was looking for right up front! Keep up the great work!
i just had to stop this video because my mind is going crazy now haha! This video finally helped me to go forward with my thinking. Im not going to jump now, but i can practis now with pricings =) Thank u very very much! The way u talk is just going deep into my mind. U habe this relaxed way of giving away knowlage. I cant express my words as good as u can, and i rarely comment stuff. But this triggered me very much!
Great video! Thank you for sharing and educating. I do a completely different style of photography, but love the idea of travel photography. Great work! ✌🏼
Thank you Pat! I would like to ask about pricing for prints as well as whether you are free as a photographer to use any of the photos you've taken to sell as prints?
Such a great video ! i discovered your channel a few days ago and I really appreciate your content. Everything is just clean, clear, interesting, ... great job !! one more happy, involved follower
Thanks for the time you put into these videos. So you charge for the time and then for editing of the pbotos? I just wasnt sure. Im going to rewatch the video.
I really enjoyed this break down. My wife and I are getting serious with our work and want to set a solid price. This helped tremendously! I do have one question regarding the hourly rates route. How do you factor in editing time within this budget?
Great video! I started following you because of tutorials and also your street photography POV. Hope you share more street photography POV in the future.
Hi! Great way to look at things. Just wondering why you don't amortize the cost of equipment (cameras, computers, etc...), repairs, mileage of car to get to and fro, etc.. - or do you put that somewhere in your variable costs?
Thanks man ! This video really helps me a lot ! I have a question , but my English is not good enough , i`ll type it in Chinese , hope you don't mind haha. 隨著能力與工作效率的提升，一個專案所需花費的時間可能會縮短，請問這種情況下如何衡量報價呢? 例如原本計算出來為100$/hr ，工作時間為6hr 。隨著實力的提升 ，工作數年後重新計算為200$/hr，面對相同類型的專案所需時間縮短為3hr 。 這樣兩個情況獲得的報酬是一樣600$的，請問若是您會如何調整呢 ? thank you for taking the time !
Great advice at 9:38, get it on paper , text message , email. something! get it written down and acknowledged. Verbal agreements are not biding in court unless you have the voice recording , if you do not have a contract with signatures, people change really quickly after the work is done and it comes to the money. Family , friend, close friend , seriously get it in writing. text message is binding . ( I do Titanium micro welding) I'll send one text message or email while talking to the client, goes like this " hey Matt here just sending this email as we talk, We both agree to these terms (terms here) please reply yes if you agree. When it comes to money do this. it'll save you , it will save you. but we all must learn the hard way :) Thank you for the video. Great advice , Great mentoring
Hi Pat, just wondering what your thoughts are on licensing, particularly here in Australia? I'm struggling with potential clients understanding it. I've also gone from quoting for it separately to building it into my quoted rates instead. Still having issues with offering a particular duration for the license as opposed to perpetual. Thanks!
Here in Brazil, if you charge the equivalent to 76 AUD(300 Brazilian Real), for the ENTIRE JOB, it is considered too expensive for 90% of the public for a photo session with 10 LinkedIn/Professional ordinary photos.
Luckly I investigated top photographers rate near friends who hired them, and since my level of quality is almost the same, I am charging the same. But even so, I have more No's than yes, cause the economy here in Europe, and perception of the phography value sucks a lot. 8k euros per month ( 150 000 Australian Dollar 102 675,00 Euro), by your math is a dream come true...I wish!!
Hello Patkay! This just came very useful to me as I'm in the process of figuring out how to charge my photography service as it comes to value to others. I believe you are also a drone users; do you think it makes sense to charge an extra premium as drone contents pose more risk than ground photography? (Eg the risk of crashing it and also authority aspect such as licenses and permissions) Advance thanks if you reply to this. Cheers
You have never shot a wedding then, I know weddings that have paid me $8000+ it’s one off the most critical points, memories…so please go take your cheapness and go shoot your wedding for free on your iPhone
@@elusivemindsstudios I understand that sort of price for a videographer, but not a photographer. Of course it’s valuable to have good photos, but thousands and thousands of dollars for one day of work seems a bit much to me 🤷♂️
I've been into photography off and on for about 40 years now. I subscribed to a couple of very popular RUclips photographers in the past couple of years to try to up my game. This is the second video I've watched of Pat's and between the two, I've learned so much more than the others that I decided to unsubscribe from the others and focus on Mr. Kay. Pat, you have an excellent formula here, keep up the great work!
Old school is best school 👍🏼
As a hobbyist who slowly aspires to move to a professional level, your channel is very informative!! Thank you so much for this! Love your work!!
glad you dig it! let me know if I can help out any more!
I literally wrote down 2 pages from this video. This video delivers so much value. Thank you so much. Love the work you do 🙏🙏🙏
I've been a photographer for almost 10 years, so decided I should up my game. This video has been the most informative, logical and straightforward one for pricing that I have ever come across. Despite knowing almost all aspects, learning about 'emotional costs' from you was something I never considered and it is a game changer for pricing! I've already referenced it twice and will definitely share it with fellow photographer friends.
Big thanks to you, Pat! 🙏❤
pat kay man you are undervalued on YT
Great video. I’d recommend that freelancers add a little money to your price you give clients to help pay for taxes. Don’t let it all come out of your hourly rate. (Bump that up.) Freelancers are their own boss and have to pay taxes to. If you’ve had a regular job that money was taken out before you got paid and the employer paid for some Social Security. (In the US.) Also consider adding a little bit to pay for your own healthcare. (A very big expensive issue in the US.) All of Pats advice is spot on! Thanks! (I’m not an accountant. Find one! They’re lifesavers.)
As a starter photographer, I’ve struggled with coming up with a number to give my clients when they ask for a photoshoot. This has definitely helped outline the cost. Thank you so much Pat! You’ve earned yourself a subscriber! 🙏🏽
I have watched three videos so far about pricing. Yours is the best. I recommend this video to many people who want to know how to rate and still need to check out the rest of your videos. Thanks for this, really!
BEST VIDEO ON THE SUBJECT HANDS DOWN. LOVE YOUR REASONING BEHIND EVERYTHING. MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
I’ve been doing photography for fun and ever since I found your video’s you’ve helped me improve soo much more and I’ve been considering to be professional thanks to you😬
Very helpful video! I'm in the field of content writing and digital marketing, but want to soon start expanding my work into photography and go solo (not working for a single business) on all things to create my own brand. What I've struggled most with is evaluating the price of my work, but this helped me feel more confident in giving value to what I do.
ah that's so great! let me know if i can help out in any other way. good luck with it! :)
This video is a gem, not only for photographers but for anyone who look to provide any services.
Now what tickle my mind after looking it is is : How to price a print ?
I know this is more than a year this video was released, but who know, this can be a good subject for another video.
Bests
This is so insightful and there were so many things you brought up that I never considered. Definitely gonna apply a bunch of these for my next few gigs.
Being a part timer photographer on the side is useful since I can see what works and doesn’t work 😂
Thank you so much for presenting this information in a very clear and streamlined way. I really appreciate clicking on a video and getting all the information I was looking for right up front! Keep up the great work!
Love your views on working for free. I'm just starting out, and thought about doing this to build my portfolio.
Thank you for the effort you put into this video - I really appreciate your expertise and guidance!
Just came across your page and this is the most informative video on pricing I’ve come across. I understand a lot more now about pricing.
Watched this video at least 3 times, took so many notes, thanks so much for the valuable insight Pat.
Great tips... I feel we photographers underate what we do.
Thanks for each Video youre making. Helps a newcomer really well! Greets from germany :)
thanks for watching! =)
I litially watched this two times in a raw now to write down notes! Thank you very much for this great video
Thanks for the great advice!
Thanks for the new information man, you have added something new to my experience. Stay creative big man!
thanks for watching!
this experience sharing is so complete
Thank you so much on all the information you shared. I have struggle with this for a while. Very helpful!
i just had to stop this video because my mind is going crazy now haha! This video finally helped me to go forward with my thinking. Im not going to jump now, but i can practis now with pricings =) Thank u very very much! The way u talk is just going deep into my mind. U habe this relaxed way of giving away knowlage. I cant express my words as good as u can, and i rarely comment stuff. But this triggered me very much!
Great video! Thank you for sharing and educating. I do a completely different style of photography, but love the idea of travel photography. Great work! ✌🏼
Thank you Pat! I would like to ask about pricing for prints as well as whether you are free as a photographer to use any of the photos you've taken to sell as prints?
Clear & to the point! great video man!
thanks Paul!
Thanks for answering my question from ig. Very inspiring 👌🏻
Such a great video ! i discovered your channel a few days ago and I really appreciate your content. Everything is just clean, clear, interesting, ... great job !! one more happy, involved follower
Very informative, thank you
This helped a lot! thanks ❤
Thanks for the time you put into these videos. So you charge for the time and then for editing of the pbotos? I just wasnt sure. Im going to rewatch the video.
Last minutes were super useful!
You helped so much! thank you!
glad it did! thank you for watching!
I really enjoyed this break down. My wife and I are getting serious with our work and want to set a solid price. This helped tremendously! I do have one question regarding the hourly rates route. How do you factor in editing time within this budget?
Great tips for those of us just getting started . Well presented invaluable info. Tx very
Great video! I started following you because of tutorials and also your street photography POV. Hope you share more street photography POV in the future.
Thank you for sharing this knowledge
Could you tell me How did you calculate the earning amount per hour?
Informative video man!
hope it helps the youngins 😂
Great advice man. Good to hear your insight on it
Love your videos Pat, lots of valuable info!
glad you dig it man!
This is awesome. Can we see a Sample contract or quote ?
this was very insightful, thank you !
Thanks For This Vlog Bro🙏
Thank you for the video! Really informative. Can wait for the next video! Take care
Thanks for another great video. So helpful! 👏🏾👏🏾
Great video, thanks Pat! 🙏
thanks for watching =)
This is very helpful! Thank you so much!
Hi! Great way to look at things. Just wondering why you don't amortize the cost of equipment (cameras, computers, etc...), repairs, mileage of car to get to and fro, etc.. - or do you put that somewhere in your variable costs?
Great info bro :)
cheers broski
Great video, man. Thanks.
such a stylish and clean video!
what an informative video! thank you so much :)
Extremely helpful
Thanks man ! This video really helps me a lot !
I have a question , but my English is not good enough , i`ll type it in Chinese , hope you don't mind haha.
隨著能力與工作效率的提升，一個專案所需花費的時間可能會縮短，請問這種情況下如何衡量報價呢?
例如原本計算出來為100$/hr ，工作時間為6hr 。隨著實力的提升 ，工作數年後重新計算為200$/hr，面對相同類型的專案所需時間縮短為3hr 。
這樣兩個情況獲得的報酬是一樣600$的，請問若是您會如何調整呢 ?
thank you for taking the time !
This is great. Thank you
so much value! thank you
How do you recommend delivering files to clients?
Great advice at 9:38, get it on paper , text message , email. something! get it written down and acknowledged. Verbal agreements are not biding in court unless you have the voice recording , if you do not have a contract with signatures, people change really quickly after the work is done and it comes to the money. Family , friend, close friend , seriously get it in writing. text message is binding . ( I do Titanium micro welding) I'll send one text message or email while talking to the client, goes like this " hey Matt here just sending this email as we talk, We both agree to these terms (terms here) please reply yes if you agree. When it comes to money do this. it'll save you , it will save you. but we all must learn the hard way :) Thank you for the video. Great advice , Great mentoring
Thanks for your tip and workflow! I also noticed how important a contract can be if a disagreement with your client happens
you out here doing some fine ass mentoring
just tryina make sure these kids are successful 😂
really like listening to you, thanks man!
Do you add post production fees on top of the flat daily rates, or are post production fees included in the day rate?
Would you suggest a person to obtain LLC to get started ?
Just hit 3 years in December but I’m still struggling with pricing perfectly for people in my city
Hi Pat, just wondering what your thoughts are on licensing, particularly here in Australia? I'm struggling with potential clients understanding it. I've also gone from quoting for it separately to building it into my quoted rates instead. Still having issues with offering a particular duration for the license as opposed to perpetual. Thanks!
Here in Brazil, if you charge the equivalent to 76 AUD(300 Brazilian Real), for the ENTIRE JOB, it is considered too expensive for 90% of the public for a photo session with 10 LinkedIn/Professional ordinary photos.
Luckly I investigated top photographers rate near friends who hired them, and since my level of quality is almost the same, I am charging the same. But even so, I have more No's than yes, cause the economy here in Europe, and perception of the phography value sucks a lot.
8k euros per month ( 150 000 Australian Dollar
102 675,00 Euro), by your math is a dream come true...I wish!!
Hello Patkay! This just came very useful to me as I'm in the process of figuring out how to charge my photography service as it comes to value to others. I believe you are also a drone users; do you think it makes sense to charge an extra premium as drone contents pose more risk than ground photography? (Eg the risk of crashing it and also authority aspect such as licenses and permissions) Advance thanks if you reply to this. Cheers
Helpful
I still can’t figure out why wedding photographers are charging SO MUCH MONEY. 1200+ for a few hours is absolutely ludicrous
You have never shot a wedding then, I know weddings that have paid me $8000+ it’s one off the most critical points, memories…so please go take your cheapness and go shoot your wedding for free on your iPhone
@@elusivemindsstudios I understand that sort of price for a videographer, but not a photographer. Of course it’s valuable to have good photos, but thousands and thousands of dollars for one day of work seems a bit much to me 🤷♂️
@@elusivemindsstudios but hey, if you’re getting paid that type of money, more power to you! That’s awesome!
Liked for good info; followed for x5 for bestest
Show me the money
Pat, can you be my senpai?
lolol through YT, sure
@@patkay 😂 this is more than enough really, super appreciate this
If only u can speak more slowly. I'm not that good in english
make the playback speed slower
That's exactly the video that I needed 🥲