"The Zeppo" & "Bad Girls" (3x13-3x14) | *Buffy the Vampire Slayer* Reaction
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"Cordelia is the Charisma."
Yes, yes she is.
Came here for this. I couldn't believe she said that, seemingly not realizing it.
Ahahahaha, too perfect
@@tehcoolemuYep, I was waiting for the "pun not intended."
Charisma Carpenter for the Win !!!
"Cordelia is like the...charisma" 😄
Zeppo was the name of one of the Marx brothers - a comedy team of brothers in the early 20th century, Chico, Harpo, Groucho, Gummo, and Zeppo; they performed in Vaudeville and eventually movies. Zeppo was one of the younger brothers who never quite developed a comedic stage persona the way his older brothers did and consequently didn't gain as much popularity and ultimately didn't continue with later productions the Marx Brothers were involved in.
Ironically, my favorite Marx Brothers movies are the ones that have Zeppo in them. He's not bad in his roles, he's just not...memorable.
Yeah, Zeppo was the normal brother. He didn't have any special shtick like the others. In this case, it's like Xander not having any special powers, like a slayer, vampire, werewolf and witch.
@@gungho1284 But Zeppo was the brother that got the girl lol
I have a feeling that the term in Urban Dictionary is only in there because of Buffy - the idea that Corderdia would know who the redundant forgotten fourth member of the Marx brothers was seems a stretch. But it's exactly the kind of thing a bunch of geeky TV writers in the late 90s would know.
It what is the term that was used in entertainment for many years. The reason it’s called the Zeppo effect is because Zeppo it was said did not seem to have any type of talent or add anything to the act. yet after his final film, with the other Marx brothers, the three remaining Marx brothers never achieved the critical or commercial success that they had
When 😂Zeppo was with them. Term with used as a person that, for some reason gives the group a greater purpose, and has greater results, even though they appeared not to add anything to the act. And that is what I believe this episode is about.Xander makes the Scoobys work yet he has no special gift . No one cared about Zeppo but the best Marc Brothers filing had him in the group. Hence the term Zeppo factor.
You have no idea how happy I am that you fully understood The Zeppo! It’s one of my favorites, too, and it makes me laugh so hard.
dito, it is often overlooked. It's grand and right up there with Buffy's unconventional or self-depricatingly funny episodes such as Hush and Doublemeat Palace.
@@GKViddingHD I have no idea why so many people hate Doublemeat Palace.
@@salyx The whole dutch angle vibe and its oldstyle creepyness seems to either put off or bore people. I love it, though.
"What happened?"
Well, Giles drugged Buffy without her knowledge to push her into a death trap without her powers, Gwen Post manipulated Faith and tried to murder everyone, and the new Watcher is...Wesley. You can see why Buffy would be more inclined to listen to Faith and why Faith is being extra rebellious, given that they've both recently been betrayed by authority figures.
Also, the writers cleverly callback the Master’s drowning scene with a similar one to remind viewers how Buffy had responded to trauma in “When She was Bad”. Also the title “Bad Girls” is very similar to that title.
The slam cut to the abandoned dancing at the Bronze really sells the wild exhilaration of victory in mortal combat and the heady seduction of The Slayer's power.
I love Wesley's appearance immediately brings out Giles' most snarky tendencies 😂 I love me some snarky Giles. And honestly, Buffy for sure has a reckless dark side. You see it pop in and out over the course of the series, and her inherently good nature constantly fight/stand at odds with it. It especially pops out when she feels repressed in some way, or is around another person that makes her feel powerful.
Alexis Denisof ... who plays the "new watcher" Wesley in this episode is married to Allyson Hannigan (Willow). They got married in late 2003 (about 4 years after this episode). I assume, but it's just a guess, that they met on this show.
They are still married today after having recently celebrated their 20th anniversary and have 2 kids!
HOW DID I NEVER KNOW THIS?!?
I love the Zeppo.
There's a whole-ass season finale happening in the background.
I love when Xander interrupted Buffy and Angels epic emotional dramatic moment they were having before the epic hellmouth fight that was about to take place. So funny!
"I'm oddly full today."
Great line.
He had a very large portion of extra-ripe meat.
I love that line but have always been like "Oz isn't concerned that he might have eaten someone?"
Bad Girls, as I understand it, and more specifically the club scene, is the moment where something woke up for about at least a million young lesbians since it aired.
‘Bad Girls’ was 100% my bi-awakening moment as a teen.
I love it when a character stops someone not by physical force, but be force of character. Xander is particularly good at it. In season 2, when Angelus tried to visit Buffy in a hospital, Xander just stood in his way and refused to move. And he made Angelus - Angelus! - turn away.
Wow, what an excellent observation. Never thought about it that way but you're completely right.
"I love it when a character stops someone not by physical force, but be force of character. Xander is particularly good at it."And we know to what extent................
The model for the structure of The Zeppo was Tom Stoppard's 1966 play "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead," which follows the two least important characters in Hamlet, showing things from their point of view. As they wander aimlessly through Elsinore, trying to figure out what's going on and what they're doing there, the action of the play we know whirls around them, past them, and in the background, as they remain semi-oblivious to it all. Stoppard directed a movie version in 1990, starring Gary Oldman and Tim Roth.
If I recall correctly (I read it in the comments for another reaction to this episode, can't remember the reactor) it was the writer of this episode, Dan Vebber, who suggested to Joss Whedon that they "do a Rosencrantz & Guildenstern episode" and they decided having Xander as the focus would fit the idea perfectly.
Xander casually saving the world but no one will ever know.
The zeppo is important because it shows Xander's purpose. Being there emotionally and physically for the people who are saving the world. Protecting the Protectors. Sort of a mini watcher.
Eliza Dushku playing Faith as bisexual and in love with Buffy was so evident in bad girls, honestly what makes it such an iconic episode of buffy
I didn't see it as bisexual at all I saw it as they were linked because they were both slayers, the only two in existence at the time. But people project or read whatever they want onto media.
@@Nexusofgeek I mean yeah the slayer connection can't be denied but with the original script having Faith kiss Buffy (trying to avoid spoilers) and Eliza's intentions, you can see why people subscribed to the idea of faith being attracted to buffy
@@Nexusofgeek Eliza literally said she played Faith as being attracted to Buffy. You're just oblivious for some reason.
@@RoseJackson1607 playing like she was doesn't mean she was. and who the hell cares? why is this so important to people?
@@Nexusofgeek dude hahahaha you sound so dumb and angry check your lesbophobia
“Aaaaand I just remembered he couldn’t open a jar of peanut butter last episode” yup. About sums it up 😂
@6:30 - I saw what you did there: "Cordelia is the Charisma" (Carpenter). Very funny!!
"Cordelia is the charisma." 😂
xander has always been a badass, remember he put himself between angelus and buffy in the hospital without hesitation.
Also in "The Zeppo" Joss deliberately made the end of the world plot to be a backround plot. Sometimes in real life shit isnt as dire as it seems...or is it??
37:54 - Hmm...it seems that the Mayor becoming invincible includes his body being able to regenerate after severe trauma. If that includes his hair instantly growing back after being cut, then he should have gotten his haircut BEFORE becoming invincible.
Hair is dead, tho, so it won't regrow.
enjoy your reactions so much! they have quickly became new comfort videos for me and i absolutely cant wait for you to get even further into the show ❤️
I'm glad you saw through Faith when she said 'I don't care' when you/we Knew she did somewhat. Like you mentioned, she was carefree & rebellious yet she's like this to hide the emotional angst within her and not wanting to face it.
Few things:
1. Nicholas Brendon has said that he cried when he first read the script as he was so delighted with it, and its meaning for his character. He says it is one of his favorite episodes.
2. My all time favorite episode! I love the development for Xander so much, Evaluation Zone put it best (IMO) - And Xander _does_ learn. In the fantastic Season Three episode, “The Zeppo,” we get to see the world through Xander’s eyes, the eyes of the one decidedly “ordinary” member of the Buffyverse crew. While Buffy, Willow, Giles, and Angel all face off against an earth-shattering crisis, Xander goes on a personal journey of self-discovery in his uncle’s souped-up car. Throughout this odyssey, he is emasculated in every sense, having his life threatened by a cluster of zombies and his virginity taken away by an uncaring Faith. As much as high school Xander aspires to be a macho man, his aspirations are all but destroyed by the episode’s finale. He’ll _never_ be the kind of hero his friends are. What he can do, however, is put his life on the line for them and be the one willing to make the personal sacrifice others will not: he’s everything good about impulsiveness. Plus, by the episode’s conclusion, he inadvertently saves his friends from being killed by the zombie goons’ scheme to blow up the school using a homemade bomb."
Oh man, good stuff! Gonna have to look up that channel.
@@Dylan_Platt It's a website, from his ranking of the buffyverse characters, can send a link to the start of the list if you want.
@@Dylan_Platt Here's the link! SPOILERS FOR THE ENTIRE BUFFYVERSE DO NOT READ - theevaluationzone.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-buffyverse-character-countdown-31.html
Yeah he could’ve taken the glory but he doesn’t
It's frustrating how much potential Xander has as a character and Nicks great performance of him but he gets precious few episodes like this.
Wow, you called so much out during Bad Girls! Even the title of the next episode, you had the vibe Cass❣ that was fun : ) It was really about Buffy getting a taste of the "bad girl" life that Faith lives, not about them being affected by an external influence.
I've been waiting for this or a while now, the Zeppo has to be in my top 3 episodes of all time!! So thanks for this your reactions 🙌 ❤
god, this show is so good. Love your reactions, you look like you're having so much fun. The show speaks to you really well, and you're quick at figuring things out. Lots of loves!!
Love The Zeppo and how it cleverly makes the B plot the A plot and vise versa. So happy you caught on and loved it. And Bad Girls really kicks the Faith/Mayor story into a higher gear. Looking forward to the next two & the rest of season three (all of it is so good).
I always forget how fire season3 is.
I am SO happy that you got the greatness of The Zeppo. I love the way it's done.
mandatory Alexis Denisof (Wesley) and Alyson Hannigan (Willow) are married irl and they met in this show
The Zeppo is a personal favorite of mine and I am so glad you understood it!! It goes over most reactor's heads. Xander is the most human of them all, he's us. And this episode really puts us in his shoes. It's just fantastic.
Xander's not "us". He's JW.
It's interesting that you think Xander would turn bad. That was also a big theory about Ron's character back when the HP books were still coming out. Something about the overshadowed sidekick I guess!
The zeppo is one of the best Buffy episodes and might be the best Xander one, Xander's greatest thing is how comfortable with death he is like greeting an old friend. People undervalue that acquired strength
"I like the quiet."
I disagree. It's 1 of the ep I like the least. I find it extremely boring.🥱💤
@@NicamonIt's fine, not everyone has to have a good taste.
@@migmit Ahahah.😑
@@Nicamon Fair. Do you like the show poking fun at itself at least? If not again fair.
Thank God! I love your reactions I really do. I’m so glad you didn’t buy Faiths “I Don’t Care” There are so many reactors who took Faiths reaction at face value and immediately started hating her. I love watching how you evaluate and like breakdown everything you see. I feel validated for how I see these episodes.
lol, Zeppo is in the urban dictionary because of this episode😂 Like someone mentioned, Zeppo refers to the least funny Marx Brother. But to be fair, in say the movie “Duck Soup” Zeppo Marx played the straight man, a role that often goes unappreciated.
why does no one ever know this? Do people not watch old shows or movies now??
@@Nexusofgeek I think part of the answer to your question is that those of us who grew up with broadcast television, in some areas only getting a few channels, had little choice in terms of the available content - if we wanted to watch television on Sundays, we pretty much got to watch old movies or nothing.
Growing up in rural Vermont, my family only got 2 out of the 3 major networks to come in clearly, plus one public television station. Sunday afternoons were old movies on the networks. We got the network with The Munsters, but not the network with The Addams Family. Etc. There was one drive-in movie theater and one indoor movie theater within the 10-20 mile range, another more like 30 miles away, for the occasional special occasion, but mostly it was 2 networks, one public channel, and reading books.
Today, with a bazillion channels of television, plus a variety of streaming channels, etc., there's a heck of a lot more new content available, more than one person can consume even watching 24/7, not to mention access to DVDs etc, including access to most of the shows produced over the last few decades, movies and shows available just by searching for them - is it REALLY that surprising that a lot of younger folks haven't seen movies made nearly 100 years ago? That they may not recognize references to characters in such movies?
I suspect there's a lot more modern content that these reactors know well that I personally wouldn't have a clue about. For example, anime is a whole huge thing, but I have watched very little of it. I may be able to quote lines from Casablanca. The Maltese Falcon, The Lion in Winter, and other classics, but anime references leave me scratching my head...
So yeah, fewer people watch older shows, but not because they wouldn't enjoy the - it's just that there is so much more to watch. I'm pretty sure that a lot of things like the Marx Brothers movies are things I only watched as a kid because that's what was on TV. I am not a big fan of musicals - but I watched Brigadoon on a Sunday afternoon and loved it, enough so that when a local theater group put it on, I went to see it with my girlfriend and her family in their VW bus...
I’m really glad you were about to enjoy The Zeppo, which I think is great. I’ve seen some reactors be unable to get over the fact that the show is parodying itself by (among other things) switching the typical A and B storylines, and they’re just too upset to be “missing” parts of the Buffy story to enjoy Xander’s story, even though the point of the bits we see of the Buffy adventure is mostly just to make fun of the tropes they lean into (e.g. Buffy and Angel’s doomed romance (hyper-Menlo dramatized here), the threat of apocalypse, etc.).
Great reaction as always, looking forward to more! 👍
12:23 "Yes Xander! Oh, you did something right!"
Recognizing and celebrating the rarity of Xander doing something right - you have reached peak understanding of this show.
I don't know if you actually see any of these comments, I just wanted to clear up the confusion about Buffy and Angel's relationship. They have been dating again since Amends. Before they were staying away from each other but the experience of Angel getting his second chance and them being so vulnerable with each other on that hill brought them closer together again so they stopped resisting and resumed their relationship, you can see them holding hands in that last scene of the episode.
Thank you for "getting" The Zeppo on a basic level in a way lots of reactors don't. Well done!
A lot of fans didn't get it on first airing either - I read a Buffy episode review book/guide that was written during the show, where the author lamented how many Buffy fans were complaining on the early, primitive, pre-RUclips internet that the episode followed the stupid Xander subplot instead of the apocalypse. So this isn't new. A significant portion of the audience has always failed to "get" the episode on first watch.
@@TalisguyI feel like media literacy has gotten a lot better in the past decade. It also helps that people like discussion. I can find multiple videos or online forums focused solely on one character or story.
I think Buffy's temporary gold wild mood was partly Wesley's arrival. The idea of going back to being a tool for the Council, seeing Giles disrespected and handicapped, and just being a little jealous of Faith's careless attitude - up to a point .
I love that at 18:30 it just clicked
As to Faith caring, in that scene, she is washing her shirt in the sink. The shirt she was wearing when she stabbed the Mayors assistant. She was trying to wash the blood out. Not because she was trying to hide evidence, but because she felt guilt. It is a reference to the seen in MacBeth, when his wife compulsively washes her hands after they murdered the King, and she can't get the stain off her hands no matter how much she washes them. Faith is in a state of denial at this point.
Eliza Dushku's grandma refused to talk to her for two weeks after "The Zeppo" aired.
That's sad.
So here's how I tend to see Buffy and Faith's behavior in this episode. I think for Buffy she's being tempted to be a bit rebellious, through Faith's pressure, because a.) the combo of what when down in helpless, b.) the after effect of that in the form of Wesley, and c.) almost drowning again. I think the blend of being pushed around by the council, feeling powerless against them and feed up with how thankless the work is-there she goes nearly being drowned again(triggering trauma), are all understandable reasons for a little teen rebellion and being more open to Faith's perspective that they are badass super powered girlies and they should be having fun with that. Also, why she acts a little extra with Angel, you know she's feeling herself and a little naughty. With Faith, I think she is really applying the peer-pressure trying to get Buffy to join in with her antics, because I think she feels self-conscious about sleeping with Xander. I think it's a thing she would normally have done in her past, but now in Sunnydale she still feels so left out and awkward fitting in with the scoobies, in a lot of ways she comes from a different background, and is use to surviving on her own, now she wants to fit with the group, and I think she's afraid they might judge her, and make things weird if they found out she slept with Xander. So because of that I think she's trying to get Buffy to loosen up/ be on her side/ maybe not be as judgmental when she finds out.
what Xander brings to the table is being the most human and that's very valuable imo
And Jellies.
That and beng reclessly brave .And do not forget it was his plan -the rocket launcher -in season 2 .
@@pauldourlet He joined Buffy to go after Jesse. He brought Buffy back. He ran into a fire to save Cordelia. He stood up for Buffy against Larry the Bully. He saved Buffy from Theresa when she rose from her casket. Unarmed, he defended Cordy during Drusilla's kidnapping of Giles. While wounded, he entered a vamp lair with Buffy to rescue Giles. Without the Slayer, he hunted vampires. He fought Spike to defend Willow.
He just offered his life to stop the bomb.
The boy has clocked more field time than most.
@@feudisthe also stayed with Giles when him and Faith were hunting Angel. He’s definitely the heart of the group.
this is why i enjoy Cass' reactions so much. There is this sad hate wave against Xander these days that kinda frustrates me. is he my favourite character? no, by far. But still we need to remind ourselves that he is a young man with a difficult backstory /family and YES sometimes is he super annoying but i do think he is the heart of the group and i dont want to hate him for his mistakes. i love that Cass understands his character so much and doesnt jump on the hate train automatically just because most fans do.
Yes, sometimes he is an ass and sometimes I get so mad at him lol but I still love him because I also agree that he is the heart. Great episode.
Merry Christmas Cass and all my fellow Buffy fanatics
what's with the texan obsession?
Xander: "I've never been up with people before". Up With People was a singing group back in the day. Even had a song called Up With People. They were a feel good group. I've always assumed Xander's line was a reference to them. Their songs were innocent and positive so to use their name in a sexual way probably amused the writers.
The whole apocalypse story line is a side story. This is Xander’s episode.
Zeppo is in the urban dictionary because of this episode, they literally reference it.
It's always funny when young normal people are almost like appalled at casual sex without any lovey-dovey stuff. Yes people actually do that in real life :)
When they fought The Judge Xander still had memories of his military training from that Halloween episode, I wish they had let him keep that
SPOILERS:
It's still there, when it's plot convenient.
The Zeppo was a fun episode. Xander really had a night out of thrilling fun and also proved himself to be more capable than he even thought.
I didn't appreciate The Zeppo back in the day because I wasn't a huge Xander fan, but watching now that I'm older makes me realize how genius this episode is. That moment of realization you had about the way the episode was shot was amazing. They did a great job of making you feel what it must feel like to be Xander, always on the outside of everything that's happening. Now I can't help but wonder what other Xander sideline stories happen while we are following Buffy. 😂
I'm still not a fan of this ep for a bunch of reasons,but I appreciate the intent behind it.
I think the point was like the side plots are soooo dramatic compared to what Xander is going through but still the ep is all about him
A tiny detail at the end of The Zeppo that never gets commented on is that we see that the rupture between Buffy and Giles from the previous episode has been healed. When she says to him 21:08 "I don't know how you managed. It was the bravest thing I've ever seen," it's clear she's forgiven him.
The show covers this just fine.
If The Zeppo, or Xander as we know him hadn't saved us from the Bomb going off, it would have ripped the Hellmouth open even farther and then the gang would have failed. He is more important than the Gang knows. Great Post.
I can’t tell whether it’s just people not being used to Wesley’s accent yet as it’s his first scene, but it surprises me how many reactors miss the punny name of the mysterious vampire duelist cult who worship the demon Balthazar. They are the Eliminati, a mixture of the words eliminate and Illuminati.
Chemtrails album when ?!! IM DESPERATE GIRL 😭
The teacher didn't see Faith because she left the room. Before she left she told them they were on the honor system meaning students take the test unsupervised and are trusted not to cheat.
'The Zeppo' is fun because the show is spoofing itself with the huge subplot taking a backseat to Xander's escapades. They dialed the drama up to 11. I think they did too good a job, I'd rather have been following that plot.
There's a lot of the Mayor in 'Bad Girls' which is a good thing. 'Consequences' is as you deduced. 'Doppelgangland' is my favorite episode of the entire series, big fan favorite.
The look of horror on your face when you saw Balthazar 😂
Wesley has entered the chat...
Fun fact: the actor who plays Wesley is married to the actress who plays Willow.
This is where they met. And as professionals, they refrained from getting too serious at first because of the whole "workplace romance" thing. They didn't get married until after Buffy ended.
What does Xander have to contribute to the group?!!!
Girl, you already need to rewatch from the beginning. Count how many times Xander has personally saved Buffy's life. I don't mean him helping the group save her life. I mean him. Xander. PERSONALLY! It will blow your mind!
Without Xander Buffy would have died long, long, long, long, long, long ago.
Absolutely, Xander blindly throws himself onto the grenade for his friends, but then Xander would be dead if Buffy hadn't come to Sunnydale 😄 Either way, Xander is a very important part of the group.
Buffy sidelined Willow, not because slaying isn’t safe. I think she was worried about her and Faith’s behavior. Illegal activities and getting arrested is more than Willow was signings up for.
She wasn’t rejecting Willow. I think she was protecting herself from Willow finding out what she’s been up to. She’s probably dealing with guilt and shame for her uncharacteristic behavior.
Great episodes, great reaction. The show is just getting better. ❤
The Zeppo is just brilliance in storytelling. No other show could pull off having the world ending apocalypse be the B plot
wish we had more episodes like The zeppo
there's been a lot of great explanations for buffy and faith's behavior in the comments already, but one fun fact i'd like to add is that there is some slight romantic subtext between faith and buffy, as one of the writers said that he was aware of it while writing, and joss whedon himself admitted that even though he didn't intend it, he did see it after the show had aired. eliza dushku also said that she saw faith as bisexual and having a thing for buffy, and played her as such. there's a lot going on with faith's character, obviously, but i think it adds an interesting perspective to some of the things she does in this episode and later on in the season.
Buffy is fighting a war and she's only a teenager. Sooner or later, that's got to have consequences for both her and Faith. Great reaction.
The format of this episode is inspired by Rosencrats and Guildenstern are Dead, where story A is pushed to the back and story B becomes the focus. It can be jarring but it is entertaining and hilarious.
Dopplegangland used to be one of my favs when I first watched as a teenager.
“I low-key ship them. Low-key. LOW-key.” …….and the episode immediately shifts into the highest of keys 😂😂😂😂
Ahahahahahaha, when you said Xander could be "the brawns", i thought you said he could be "The Bronze". I was like, "he could be... the local club? Maybe she means he could buy the club and be its owner-operator? Hmm..." 😂🤣
Fantastic reaction as always. As usual, the observations you make and the things you're interested to see come next all just make me excited to see what you think of the rest of the season. You're 100% correct that this is a very important episode in the development of the season plot. Plus, the introduction of Wesley... Big ep! SO excited for next week 😁
Love the reactions Cass! The insights to the episodes you have are so entertaining 😄. You also seem like such a genuine person which I appreciate so much in a reactor.
Love the content as usual, please keep it up and keep all the pausing and theories and insights coming. Love getting to see your thought process when you watch these episodes and the series is really hitting its stride at this point and only gets better from here!
People, including viewers, always underestimate Xander! Honestly, the more reactions of Buffy I see (and there's a lot happening lately), the more he's kinda becoming a favorite character of mine. Maybe because he's also have a share of haters, so I feel like I gotta balance it out a bit, but he's the most normal character of them all, yet fight the good fight like the rest of them! Which in a way makes him one of the bravest one there!
To be fair Faith also questioned why Buddy never got with Xander. There were definitely signs that she was into him lol
I genuinely stopped for 20 seconds to think who "Buddy" is.
@@Macca15 Same! But also I'm amazed they didn't have some one shot character named Buddy.
@@Macca15 lmfao oops well I’m leaving it now lol
@@Steef_Lee sure you didn't mean to say Bunny? 😉
@@ernesthakey3396 😂
"The Zeppo" has been a community favourite for as long as related lists were made. It was so fun to see the moment when the purpose of that episode clicked for you!
The rest of the season is going to be quit the ride. And even seemingly unrelated and boring details will come into play on the way there.
What does Xander have? Heart... He's pretty loyal and protective of his friends, even when he's not actually good at it.
Yeah but don’t they all? (Genuinely not trying to be mean about Xander, but I just don’t see how that would be a particularly distinctive characteristic to art him apart from Buffy or Willow f.e.)
Yeah but don’t they all? (Genuinely not trying to be mean about Xander, but I just don’t see how that would be a particularly distinctive characteristic to art him apart from Buffy or Willow f.e.)
@@moramorandobianchi7093 I think that Xander's "heart" aspect leads him to do things for his friends in spite of the odds of him maybe not surviving, where others would be more likely to hesitate. Every one of the Scoobies are willing to help their friends, but Xander without any special abilities is more likely to jump in regardless of the danger. It may not be as special as other characters' special abilities, and he often annoys us enough to forget his good points... And on rare occasions his heart let's him see things more clearly than others do.
The term "Zeppo" is reference to Herbert Manfred "Zeppo" Marx, the "straight man" among the Marx Brothers, a very successful comedy group in the early 1900s,. Zeppo Marx was long considered to be the most unexceptional member of the act.
They used the Faith & Buffy dancing scene from this episode and animated it shot for shot into the X-Man Evolution Kitty & Rouge dancing scene. You can see a side by side comparison here ruclips.net/video/GS29zhg7uqs/видео.html
Zeppo Marx was the Marx Brother that no one remembers...sort of like being the Larry Hemsworth of the Hemsworth Brothers (if you've seen "The Good Place").
I often wonder if Lady Cassandra was inspired by Balthazar. The characters just remind me of each other. Probably the constant moisturizing. And one’s a big yelling blob and the other is a trampoline as if that’s all they needed to make her different is make her flat.
The Doctor Who writers were big Buffy fans so some times I wonder about really similar details like that.
16:38 The great thing about this episode is the reversal that what would normally be the A plot is the B plot. The A plot is Xander’s thing. And the show is kind of making fun of itself, making fun of its own melodrama, like when Xander interrupted Buffy and Angel in this scene.
It's the Generic Buffy/Angel Scene! That the writer, director, and actors are clearly aware of it makes it that much funnier. 😂
I don't know if Wesley realized that Buffy was being sarcastic when she told him that Giles always said "please" and gave her a cookie.
The Zeppo is a big step for Xander but he still has a lot of growing up to do. It’s an ongoing challenge for him, but seeing his growth is great. It’s one of my favorite episodes.
xander has clocked field time
this reactions: 🫶🏻
what is coming: 😭
I am so excited for you to progress in the show.
The contrast of the two plots in "Zeppo" was brilliantly written and performed. Ther Buffy side was getting tense like a usual big-enemy episode, and even the Buffy/Angel scene was kind of a "standard" emotional moment that Xander just happened to interrupt. Losing his virginity, to Faith no less, changed him so that even Cordelia's petty jibes had no effect on him . The Mayor must be the most cheerful, evil villain ever.
Loving your reactions:)
One thing with the episode Zeppo, is that everything is seen through Xanders eyes. So the drama between Angel and Buffy is extra drama-y. The way HE sees their relationship. The same with the others. Also, I was a bit surprised that he and Cordelia had never had sex either. They were pretty hot and heavy. I do wonder though, if that was another sign of how much she felt for Xander. He wasn't just another guy she was dating, he was THE guy she was dating, so she was taking it slow, even if the kissing was pretty heavy.
That's the beauty of The Zeppo. There's a major event happening in the background and we're following Xander instead. In any other episode, the Zeppo would be off screen while we follow the major event. The entire episode is a big joke in that sense.
Wesley arrives on the scene. It's a slow burn, but I really like his character arc.
I really love the Zeppo. Some people have difficulty with it, at least on first watch. I think mostly Because the B story is the main story here. They try to follow the Big Bad Buffy story, which we just get tid bits of, so it doesn't make sense. It's a complete subversion of the typical show. Which once you get that, it's amazing, but when you don't get it, it throws you off. I think some people that dislike it, enjoy it more on second viewing, as they know what their in for going in.
36:19 ..."You are bargaining with a demon?"... The guy want to keep his kneecaps....
Zeppo refers to the Marx Brothers. He is the often forgotten Marx Brother.
Bad Girls was a watershed episode where all what we suspected of Faith comes to fruition. We see her influence on Buffy leading her down the wrong path. Buffy as we know is very much a good person, and rejects this way, but even though Faith kills Alan by accident, as we know it was all her fault due to her psychotic behaviour, and she just doesn't care, even when Buffy begs her to do the right thing she says she just doesn't care, having weighted and dumped Alan's body. And of course we have the introduction of Wesley!