The Ingrians. Under Threat Of Extinction // Indigenous Peoples Of Russia
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Ingris, Inkeri or, as the Russians called them, Izhors, are the indigenous population of the lands between the Gulf of Finland and Ladoga.
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Rather than dubbing a translation over the spoken language, maybe a subtitled translation would help to introduce listeners to the sound of Ingrian. Thanks very much for this uploading, first became aware of this people when an exchange student in Finland in the early 1990s. They are still at risk of becoming an extinct culture, so reviving the language in speech and writing is vital.
Good idea!
Maybe you should make your own video, then you could do as you like. See, everyone has an opinion. Best keep them to ourselves.
@@percival1137 In fact, the characters speak Russian in the video.
@@percival1137 You’re welcome to your opinion, I disagree with constructive input being suppressed.
@@arzumammadlie6388I could hear them (old people with the young guy) speak also izhorian, inkerikkö language, in the village. Also the songs were presented in izhorian, inkeriköksi. It is so similar to finnish language.🇫🇮nearly a dialect.
What is it with those who want to destroy any culture not like their own? These cultures should be treasured, loved and enjoyed. They are part of our world's heritage and should be preserved.
I agree with you. Many people view conformity as mandatory, and differences, whether it be in culture, race, ideas, politics, sexuality, religion, etc, as dangerous. It's sad. Even sadder, a lot of these people either run or help run the government and have the power to wipe out whoever and whatever they don't like.
In 1990-2016 Izhorians (inkeriläiset) could automatically get residence permit to Finland. About 30 000 moved to Finland.
izhorians and inkeri are different ethnicity actually, but good point.
As a Finnish passport holder, whose ethnicity is a mix of Savo tribe and Tornio River Valley folk (of western Lapland), this film was very interesting. I'd like to offer some thoughts from my point of view.
Izhorian mythology seems to be very similar to that of other Finnic peoples, including all the Finnish, Karelian, and Estonian tribes. Based on the film, quite a few details regarding the traditional Izhorian culture seem similar with the traditional cultures of (Finnish) Suomi, Häme and Kainu tribes for example. I could spot many differences as well, of course.
It's also interesting to learn how at least in the past Izhorians viewed Finns (all Finnish tribes lumped together, I suppose) as enemies, and were thought to be mean and ungenerous people. I think this has to do with the fact that from the 13th century onwards, all the way to the early 19th century, all Finnish tribes had been colonized under the rule of the Kingdom of Sweden ...while Izhorians (together with most Karelians, Votians, and Ludic speakers) were under the rule of Novgorod ...and then Moscow, then the Tsardom of Russia, then the Russian Empire, and finally the Soviet Union... As Sweden and Russia (and all the predecessors of the latter) were enemies, it made Finnish tribes enemies of the Izhorians. So basically all Finnic peoples were caught in the wars and rivalry between two superpowers.
Saying that during WWII Finns were on the side of the Nazis, is a gross oversimplification, partially stemming from decades of Soviet narrative. In reality we Finns had the same enemy as the Nazis did at their eastern front, that being Soviet Russia of course. This is due to the fact that just a few years earlier Russia had attacked Finland, resulting in the famous Winter War. Later, during the Continuation War, we Finns took advantage of the bitter fight between the Germans and Russians, and tried to take our lost land back from Soviet Union. Later still, we fought against the Nazis during the Lapland war, finally driving the Germans out.
I feel that today all Finnic peoples, and more widely all Finno-Ugric (or Uralic) peoples, have good relations with each other. Cultural cooperation between Finno-Ugric ethnic groups is ongoing, and that all is part of a pretty strong revival of our indigenous traditions.
As Russia attacked Ukraine in 2022, and sanctions were implemented against Russia together with strict border policies, cross-border contacts between Finno-Ugrics have been much more difficult. Let's hope this changes soon.
My best regards to all Izhorians! Terveisiä Suomesta!
I'm from St. Petersburg. Not an Izhorian of course, I don't think I ever met any, nor Veps, Vods, or any other such rare Pokemon out in the wild.
To be honest it would be strange to meet someone here or in the surrounding region referring to themselves as an Izhorian; the reason is that this is basically a 'pre-Russian' people as they were around before Russians became Russians, but when we were still Krivichi, Novgorod Slavs, Veps and other Slavic and Finnic tribes. So saying that you're Izhorian is basically saying that you're a Russian anyway.
Izhorians were part of that initial statehood too, adopted the Orthodox faith as everyone else, but along with their neighbours I think the Vods, they simultaneously managed to keep their own identity too. Even under Novgovord they had their own autonomies (they were abolished I think after Novgorod was conquered by Ivan the Terrible). And basically these people have survived as a discrete identity, albeit in the smallest number, to this very day, despite the fact that they were themselves one of the peoples who were present at the inception of Russia, all the others of whom have long coalesced into a single ethnic group. Well I wish their culture the very best of course.
@@Pythoner Well, my friend from Piter has even a car plate with the flag of Ingria. Now I think he took it away because of fear. People who identify as Russians and those who identify as Ingrians or Karelians might have very different view on the common past as we see today on the case of Ukraine. Nation doesn’t have to do in the first place with ethnicity, but with a complex of narratives that the people share. So shortly, if You identify as Russian, You have no right to say to others who they are, just because in Your view of history You see them in a certain way.
@@imatrOlda You have peculiar friends, I've been living in Piter since 2010 and have never seen a car plate with an Ingrian flag :)
Although I did see an Ingrian flag graffiti on a construction wall some years ago. But regardless I think such 'identities' are so rare as to not be worth the discussion; we don't have a significant number of Ingrians living here since WW2, and even then they lived mostly in the countryside. As for Karelians they're still around, but mostly in Karelia, never met any in St. Petersburg but then it's hard to tell them and Russians apart.
But you're talking about Ingrians and Karelians, that's a rather different case from Izhorians, who I'm talking about. And in their case it's exactly as I say, they are literally one of the precursors of the Russians so to speak. If they still exist as a discrete identity today though too then more power to them.
There is no doubt that the Finns were allies of the Nazis who fought against Russia and all its people, including the Izhorians.
As Mexican 🇲🇽, I feel a connection with this culture
We have love for our land
And respect for nature
Cajate pendejo
You should start with a map that shows where this place located
he said where in the beginning
By Finland Russian border that the commies stole
As a Historian I hope that they’ll manage to keep their language and culture alive. Hopefully their culture and language will be pass on to their children and their future generations.
As a historian you should know that all of us have lost our original languages and cultures... Adaptations to the environment and the surrounding is natural if not forced.
OMG my hair started standing on my arms when he told about their creation myth. It's literally str8 outta Kalevala - the same we have in Finland + karelians have it and estonians aswell.
People have been killing, oppressing and destroying each other since day one. There is something seriously wrong with us.
As a white American I'm laughing at myself for feeling confused about why the indigenous people are white 🤦
Great video ❤
Honestly, I grew up American but looked deeper into my Slovak, Pole and Slovene roots and it taught me that this "white," shit just isn't real. Imagine a few countries on the far west of Europe, "I.E like British Isles, Germanic countries, and Spain just started calling themselves and other people by colors and colonizing the world. Now anyone with a pale completion or blue eyes is blamed for it. What of Eastern Europe, Central Europe, the Balkans? You have people of that complexion going deep into Siberia. Hell, even a lot of Iranian, Turkic and Arab tribes have individuals or whole castes and tribes among them that look like that. America really needs to stop seeing the world the way it does. It is literal nonsense. I've been called racist just for saying my ancestors were oppressed and from actual Vassal states, colonized themselves and not the other way around. I mean I cannot even say a literal fact in this politically charged yet deeply uneducated environment.
@@mitchymasar9549right - gross oversimplification: white skin = oppressor and dark skin = oppressed. History is not taught properly in schools, or people would know that white Europeans like the Irish were raided and taken as slaves over many centuries. Even parts of the English coast lost people to pirates who sold them as slaves to other cultures. Humans have enslaved other humans since time immemorial. Skin color is just one aspect of it. It’s time people acknowledged these things and put them behind them. If people continue to bear grudges for wrongs committed years or even centuries ago, the human race will never move forward.
most whites in usa are bast#$ized rootless & cultureless bunch. most do not know their actual heritage. too many type of ancestors cross bred each other the past 200 years of USA short history.
Most people in the U.S., in my opinion, use "indigenous" as a way to exclude white Americans from various activities, events, etc.
You think white people came from space and colonized all the places they inhabit? Of course the indigenous peoples of Europe are white.
Hope your people revive their culture! Love from England 🍀💚✌️
@parmykumar8592
Well.. the way things are going all across the Western world currently .. all European people and their descendants along with their culture will be nearly extinct. Now tell me where is our actual homelands? That is just for us.. no one else. Lol who will care or cry or help us? Lol I’ll tell you now.. no one. This is what racial consciousness is… and we all need to take notice.. we save ourselves and protect each other.. otherwise we suffer and die.. open conversations about places being too white.. and all kinds of propaganda.. suggesting we be replaced… lol sure.. lie down and do nothing.. if you say something or notice anything you are racist.. lol no.. Hegelian dialectic has no power anymore now.. Marxist/ communist tactics are utilized with agonizing blatancy… Balkanization is inevitable.. we should just begin now across the Western world.. and work at reclaiming our ancestral lands everywhere.
@parmykumar8592
Well.. the way things are going all across the Western world currently .. all European people and their descendants along with their culture will be nearly extinct. Now tell me where is our actual homelands? That is just for us.. no one else. Lol who will care or cry or help us? Lol I’ll tell you now.. no one. This is what racial consciousness is… and we all need to take notice.. we save ourselves and protect each other.. otherwise we suffer and die.. open conversations about places being too white.. and all kinds of propaganda.. suggesting we be replaced… lol sure.. lie down and do nothing.. if you say something or notice anything you are racist.. lol no.. Hegelian dialectic has no power anymore now.. Marxist/ communist tactics are utilized with agonizing blatancy… Balkanization is inevitable.. we should just begin now across the Western world.. and work at reclaiming our ancestral lands everywhere.
@parmykumar8592
Well.. the way things are going all across the Western world currently .. all European people and their descendants along with their culture will be nearly extinct. Now tell me where is our actual homelands? That is just for us.. no one else. Lol who will care or cry or help us? Lol I’ll tell you now.. no one. This is what racial consciousness is… and we all need to take notice.. we save ourselves and protect each other.. otherwise we suffer and die.. open conversations about places being too white.. and all kinds of propaganda.. suggesting we be replaced… lol sure.. lie down and do nothing.. if you say something or notice anything you are racist.. lol no.. Hegelian dialectic has no power anymore now.. Marxist/ communist tactics are utilized with agonizing blatancy… Balkanization is inevitable.. we should just begin now across the Western world.. and work at reclaiming our ancestral lands everywhere.
@parmykumar8592
Well.. the way things are going all across the Western world currently .. all European people and their descendants along with their culture will be nearly extinct. Now tell me where is our actual homelands? That is just for us.. no one else. Lol who will care or cry or help us? Lol I’ll tell you now.. no one. This is what racial consciousness is… and we all need to take notice.. we save ourselves and protect each other.. otherwise we suffer and die.. open conversations about places being too white.. and all kinds of propaganda.. suggesting we be replaced… lol sure.. lie down and do nothing.. if you say something or notice anything you are racist.. lol no.. Hegelian dialectic has no power anymore now.. Marxist/ communist tactics are utilized with agonizing blatancy… Balkanization is inevitable.. we should just begin now across the Western world.. and work at reclaiming our ancestral lands everywhere.
@parmykumar8592
Well.. the way things are going all across the Western world currently .. all European people and their descendants along with their culture will be nearly extinct. Now tell me where is our actual homelands? That is just for us.. no one else. Lol who will care or cry or help us? Lol I’ll tell you now.. no one. This is what racial consciousness is… and we all need to take notice.. we save ourselves and protect each other.. otherwise we suffer and die.. open conversations about places being too white.. and all kinds of propaganda.. suggesting we be replaced… lol sure.. lie down and do nothing.. if you say something or notice anything you are racist.. lol no.. Hegelian dialectic has no power anymore now.. Marxist/ communist tactics are utilized with agonizing blatancy… Balkanization is inevitable.. we should just begin now across the Western world.. and work at reclaiming our ancestral lands everywhere.
Thank you for this window into history. My greetings from Alaska.
In Finland we know nothing about this propaganda :D
@@Resident-cb3yzhow is this propaganda?
Fascinating! First time I learn about this culture, traditions and people.
Wow, as native Verber from North African, it is heartbreaking to watch all these thousands years civilizations disapearing to make room to the oppressors "culture" : russians, spaniards, arabs , brits, ot huns.
Love to my native brothers, keep spreading the word, because without these cultural diversity - just like natural diversity - this world will become dull and boring, and inhabitable like planet Mars.
Well said
Who the hell told you that Russians are oppressing the Izhorians? Yeah there were a couple of periods when the Russian state enacted hostile to them policies, as mentioned in the video, but we've had literally 1000 years of history in the same state, and they're still around with their own language. So speak for your native Berbers and North Africa, not for others.
Can't get enough of your videos
I wish this was subtitled rather than dubbed.
I salute Nikita for his dedication to preserving his people's culture.
He isn't one of them... Look at his face, his nose...
It's videos like this, that make You Tube such a unique platform. Without it, I'd have no idea that people like this exist 👍
This was awesome. Thanks a million. And sending them The Light 💛💛💛
I wish you wouldn’t have dubbed this video. I tried to watch but the dubbing was too much. I wanted to hear when they spoke ingrian, to hear if it still is understandable for a Finnish speaker.
sorry about that
Thank you for sharing this information about these precious and rare people. I wish them healing and prosperity!❣️🌈🌅🌲
As you heard in this video the Izhorians were almost exterminated by Swedish people, and they fled to Russia! I would say it shows that already in the 17th century the Russians had more humanity than the western Europeans!!!
Finno- ugric people get assimilated very fast. Doesn't matter whether by Russians or Swedish. In Russia there are a lot of ethnicities that have strong sense of identity, only it is finno-ugruc people that show very low resilience
And during ww2 the germans brought their numbers from 7 thousands to bearly 1000
Amazing people Izhorians 🫶🏽❤️
Wow, the land looks just like Michigan's Upper Peninsula! My family is from there. It was settled by mostly Fins and Sami and also Swedes and Norwegians. Makes me miss home.
This is so true I am 6 hour drive from there!
My grandfather was born in Chassel, near Houghton. He and I are Quebec French-Quebecois who settled in Michigan and Wisconsin. I was born in Oshkosh, but my parents took me to California with them when I was only six months old. My grandfather's brother married a Finnish woman. Their children were very wonderful people. When I traveled there in 1972 and met her, she was very old. But I am so glad that I met her. I've always wanted to return, but I haven't made it back yet and I'm 72 now.
Uppsala is a nice town.
@@deaddocreallydeaddoc5244 so far it's still the same though most of the old gravel roads have been paved.
My mom is also French Canadian and Indian... no hate please.
Her family, like yours, all married the Fins and Swedes. I grew up thinking that all weddings were supposed to be smorgasbord style!
I also found out that city people don't laugh at the Aino and Toivo jokes 🤣
@@cyan1616oh I think you’re ancestry is super cool! Be proud of you’re heritage!
Such a beautiful culture! I would love to see it reborn!
This is awesome and timely. This is happening to many Native American tribes in the U.S., particularly in Kansas, Oklahoma and New Mexico.
you mean the survivors of those Native American tribes? this is something Russia never did, genocides the indigenous tribes like the settlers did in the US, This is why these tribes still have their lands, languages and customs
Proto finns werent mongolian they were mostly caucasoid. Ane like people. but regardless not mongolian at all. They are their own thing
They were earlier the majority people of the Swedish-Finnish Kingdom province of Ingermanland. We called them Ingermanläningar. And we had always seen them as a Finnish people talking a dialect of Finnish.
The province capital of Ingermanland was Nyen todays ST Petersburg.
The people of Ingermanland was Swedish and Finnish Ingermanlands.
Sweden-Finland Kingdom was forced to give away the province of Ingermanland to Russia in the Peace treaty of Nystad 1720 Because the failure in the Great Nordic war.
After that the big russification began.
This should be a part of Finland just like the rest of Karelia. Just like in the Swedish-Finnish Kingdom times.
We had many thousands of Ingiri people reffuges coming to Sweden during the last times of the second world war fleeing the Soviet red Army.
Góðan dag ok besta ónskar!
But we are not exactly what you call Ingermanläningar, because we are not Savonian Finns, but Izhorians. There is a difference. Izhorians are old population of Ingria, the first sedentary population.
You are confusing Izhorians and Ingrian Finns
@@kirillkostyunin9194 Hyvää päivää ja kiitos tervehdyksestä.
Your name in Swedish is Ingrer and now I know it's a different between Ingrer and Ingermanläningar.
Its both the ortodox and Lutheran Christianity and formely the Ingermanläningar and also came to province during the time of the Swedish Empire.
Also Swedish speaking people to the trading centre and the Capitol of Nyen. Also Estonian came under as Estonia also was a part of the Swedish Empire. Thanks for your information. I think many in Sweden thinking when we are reading our history that Ingrer and Ingermanläningar was the same people.
Bästa hälsningar från Sverige och gamla landsmän 🤺👱🇸🇪🇫🇮🇪🇪🇱🇻👑👑👑💪
We are all indigenous to somewhere🫵
The world is mine
A beautiful people
As a german, the story of this woman at 13:40 enrages me. I hate such cruelty.
reality & truth hurts. I tell her to sugar coat her words to PG6 to make it more suitable for you ok?
Who shat in your cereal this morning? Where did i ever state that it is not okay to share that? Or are you just that socially incompetent to not understand the meaning behind my statement?@@achtungbaby2009
@@achtungbaby2009yes do it tell heer
Beautiful! Much love!! From USA but my my Dad from Guatemala and Mom from Honduras.
So cool!
Love to visit one day from india❤
Sending love & support, to preserve your culture , language and the land ❤️ wishing you the best
They look Slavic
Hundreds of years of intermingling...
Yeah they don't have idea they have Slavic blood now
@rpmusic6402 ...and many Finnic Ugric tribes got assimilated into the Russian Nation....
If u are seriously interested in this topic I advise you to study the works of HFK Guenther. Most freely available in the internet...
@@sxnap3480 yeah because we all know that russians spoke Italian before christianization
A lots of native peoples of what today is Russia have been Russified for the last 3-4 centuries and are now called Russian. The name Russian is like American, a common name of people living in this country of various ethnic origin who now speak the Russian language as their first language and forgot about their ethnic identity.
Don't deceive people with your comments. All peoples have retained their language and identity. Comparison with the USA, where indigenous peoples live on reservations, is offensive to the Russian people.
@@firegirl24Russia just uses ethnic minorities as canon fodder, it rids Russia of ethnic minorities and provides untrained soldiers to fight in Ukraine etc.
In Russian there are two identity words that can be translated as "russian", but neither of them is what you described.
Ever heard of Russian republics?
The mixing process of Slavic and Finish tribes started over 1500 years ago. It was a similar natural process as Finish people mixed with Asian reindeer herders from today's Northern Russia. But the Russians never did forced Russification on people, like the Western and other empires did. As you maybe heard in this video the Izhorians were almost exterminated by Swedish people, and they fled to Russia! I would say it shows that already in the 17th century the Russians had more humanity than the western Europeans. Also take a look at Armenia and Georgia, they were a part of Russia for several hundred years but they do not even speak Russian today! They have their language, culture, land and religion. If you go there today it looks like they never were a part of Russia! And this is the difference between Russia and the other empires.
Izhorian people need to survive. This is a wonderful nation.
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absolute beautiful people!
I certainly hope he is successful in preserving this rare culture.
Beautiful land . Beautiful People.
As it could be seen, the situation with this people is "normal" in the frame of a multi ethnical country.
Not the same as in other parts of the World, where native ethnicities live on reservations🌻
Lovely place ❤
Thank you, great video
Glad you liked it!
A Rússia é um país tão maravilhoso que até as índias de lá são louras de olhos azuis.
Índio é um termo pejorativo designado aos indígenas americanos, indígena, pela definição da ONU, significa: As comunidades, os povos e as nações indígenas são aqueles que, contando com uma continuidade histórica das sociedades anteriores à invasão e à colonização que foi desenvolvida em seus territórios, consideram a si mesmos distintos de outros setores da sociedade, e estão decididos a conservar, a desenvolver e a transmitir às gerações futuras seus territórios ancestrais e sua identidade étnica, como base de sua existência continuada como povos, em conformidade com seus próprios padrões culturais, as instituições sociais e os sistemas jurídicos. Nada haver com índio que é como os colonizadores chamavam os povos originários da América
Fantastic!!
Historically smaller ethnic groups always get swallowed up and absorbed by the dominants. Whatever happened to the 'picts'?
10:57 What a superpretty blondie.
Ingerians tried to got their independent state in 1918 like Finns, Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, but Bolshevik Russians just annihilated them. Stalin's repressions before and after WWII gave them the last blow. Now there are some almost entirely Russified remnants of that nation. Other dissolved among Finns and Estonians - their Finno-Ugric neighbors. Old Ingerian names everywhere around St. Petersburg were at use as late as 1950-th., then for most of them were given Russian names.
30000 people can not make a separate country.
How do you interpret that according to grandma's story, they were slaves in Finland, with their "brothers"
Ingrians (not Ingerians) are not Izhorians, that's the first thing. Different people.
Second thing - Ingrian Finns were settled on this territory by the Swedes after they won the territory from the Russian Tsardom following the Livonian war (Peter the Great would later take it back); that's to say they settled there way later than the Izhorians. They are not really a seperate nation nor under threat of extinction either - they're basically protestant Finns from the same Finland.
Thirdly - that's the first I heard of them trying to establish an independent state. Is there any historical proof of this or are you talking out your absolute ass?
Did they try to independency a village?
Watch and laugh at ukrainian(turk-gypsy mix) lesson of history
A fascinating documentary on the Izhorian people, thank you. There needs to be greater recognition and preservation of ancient peoples and their cultures around the world.
Thank you for presenting a glimpse of the struggle of a small finnic tribe, inkeriköt. 🇫🇮👍Hope lives always that they fight the odds and make it for a long time in future.
Tourism from Finland will surely assist them but the regime of Russian federation is what it is..
Yes, from Finland and Estonia. There are also Vaďďalaizõd, or Vadjalsiset whose language is severely endangered. The past years, specialists from Estonian Tartu university helped very much. But now...
your regime is full off..
@@Superhiknapada do you consider this "our" regime? Why is it "ours"? It functions against us
The regime of the Russian Federation is just fine. And don't speak for these people and their 'struggle'. It's your Western empire who tried to get regime change in Russia through provoking a war between Russia and the Ukraine so that they can then surround China.
Well it didn't work out that way so now enjoy the fruits of labour of your masters
@@kirillkostyunin9194If you're a Russian citizen, so it's your regime. And how does it function against you? Are you an Izhorian? What do expect for a people whose entire number can fit into a village, an independent country or?
So how then does it function against you?
Scholar's say that My people are already extinct.
We Watlala's are still here and we shall remain.
Oh I love the old ways....
I wish you people well, now at the end of 2023 many are aware of what is going on around the world, we are all at risk, stay safe.
Finno- ugric folklore influenced Russian folklore too. Many russian fairy tales, singing traditions were sourced by finno-ugric traditions
Izhorian women quite beautiful. They have a distinct look
Culture is amazing❤❤
maybe when they were speaking Izhorian, you could put subtitles instead of dub so we can actually hear that language.
10:58 I can help make sure these girls don't go extinct...
Большое спасибо за это видео. ♥️
I would had love to hear their language
They speak Russian in the video. Many finno ugric people get assimilated very fast.
as fin speaking fin and est i have "no" problem to understand this language. i would speak in in month maybe in necessary
Thanks
What about the recent and complete sealing by Finland of the border with Russia?!...
Once, North Russia was inhabited exclusively by Ugro Finnic people. Novgorod was the most northern russian city.
Merchant who in the past traveled through the Gulf of Finland and Ladoga (Latokka/Aaltonen) river system, passing Novgorod/Holmgård (Saaristo) on their way to Kiev or Constantinople. Here was also Rurikovo Gorodishtje / Ruriksborg”. According to the Nestor Chronicle, the Viking chieftain Rurik was called here in the 860s to unite the area's warring tribes. And from here he ruled with such success that he and his family laid the foundations of the new city of Holmgård/Nystad~Novgrod in Slavic pronouncion. Holmgård because the amount of Finnish Farmers around there and these Islets around the area of todays "Northern Russia"
Novgorod then came to be the cradle of the great empire from which today's Russia, Ukraine and Belarus originate from. Mainly Finnish Ugric people with some Southern Slavs assimilated into Swedish/Rus kingdom.
Rurik and his men were called Russians, and according to DNA research were Finno-Ugrian. The kingdom was called Rus (Kievan Rus a.so). And is connected with the Finnish word for "Ruotsi" (Sweden), and the Vikings' settlements from "Roslagen" (pronounced "Ruuslaagen)
These areas where becoming more of Centralized power states,when the Swedes,Slavs and Finnish tribes united from previous Clan/Fishing/Hunting, Merchant Gathering tribes.
From beginning before travels from/betweenpeople of South and East/West, It's said to belong to Finnish Ugrian peoples like a lot of excavation/dna shows from early on.
From the lake ☱ to the sea 🌊, izhoria shall be ?
Well, what does the language sound like?
Very interesting thank you
very nice
I'm Izhorian too but, besides teaching our daughter a little of the language I feel kind of humble not to put it out there to anyone even in my Russian small US community let alone the greater US community who don't even know where or what that is.
Here everyone's obsessed about indigenous people all being brown, so it's kind of intimidating trying to proclaim some sort of First Cultures status in the US if you're white.
Just let it go, we have been Christianized, Sovietized and finally modernized in the US so I am pretty sure besides some UNESCO dork documentaries, no one really gives who shits ass what any white people anywhere can claim as actually having an indigenous culture, especially in the woke brown-first America.
Moving on. Thanks for the mention though
Sis ku raasseli, otti hämmin kättee i lykkäis sinne kalloi, sis hää nägi kuim paljo seel on kallaa, arvais kuim paljo höö maksad
I consider myself a "woke" white, liberal American. I'm also a native Californian, a veteran, speak several languages, and have English, Danish, Norwegian, German, Mexican, and Sicilian ancestors. Sure, most of the indigenous peoples that we focus on in the US are "people of color" I find it terribly fascinating that there are so many ethnic/linguistic minorities in other countries. It makes no difference if they are white or some other color. If anything the story of the Izhorians reveals how human beings always seem to find a reason to hate or discriminate against one group. If I were you, I would not be the least bit intimidated about telling people where you came from. The story of your people is truly inspiring. Oh, and I'm so happy that you have made a home for yourself in the USA.
@@brentwalker8596 I’m really inspired by your reply and thank you for your service . If anything this thanksgiving should teach us is that we now live in this great melting pot no country like it really I should know I’ve lived in a few. What was your branch and your MOS? I am actually considering getting into service at my laughable mature age , maybe I feel young 😂
Exactly!!! You’re exactly right!
@@brentwalker8596not all people believe in your insane religion of woke. Because it’s all BS.
I care! It would be a fascinating story, hopefull you will find people that enjoy your story. Greetings from Ohio😊
So glad I got to hear what their language sounds like……
They speak Russian...
@@lba6859 No they speak Izhorian at times too. I'm Russian myself and I can tell when they're speaking something I do understand and when they're speaking something I don't.
Eläköön Ingermaa ja izhorit!
Tuen sinua täysin
Elläköö vappaa Ingermaa! Tervehtiä teille Soomee!
@@kirillkostyunin9194are you a native speaker?
@@polishhussarmapping258unfortunately not. In my family there was no speaker for many years.
But I'm studying my native language. Izhorian is my ancestors' language, and now I consider it my own.
@@polishhussarmapping258 there has been no speaker in my family for long time. I'm reviving the tradition.
Как Инжорцы похожи на Эрзю. Наверное и язык схожий.
Keep your culture alive🎉
Whats about Sasquatch there?
Great video bro we all owe you for raising awareness and thats the main point that matters. Those critisizing didnt even put forth the effort to make a video. You don't need to be a hollywood producer to raise awareness. I like your video bro. Critisism is fine as long as it doesn't overshadow the primary message. We should encourage our fellow creators in a positive manner. 8 billion different voices and styles is what makes the world beautiful. Demanding streamlined and polished content advocates an endgame of corporate takeovers anyway, but I digress.
The singing sounds like the Finnish Folk singing I have heard and have a CD. (I'm American with some cousins of Finnish descent).
Nice video
Thanks
4:15 If given the chance, i would love to learn the language and talk to them
Thanks for sharing
I love what Russia is doing encouraging a rebirth of its history and rich heritage of languages and cultures. I am a fan of the Karelian Bear Dog (very useful in Alaska and Minnesota) and this gives me a picture of where they came from -- great documentary!
Russia has destroyed these cultures. See a map of finno-ugrics, where we have our own nations we have thrived, but in Russia they are almost extinct. It's a great shame.
Also Karelian bear dog is from Karelia, not Izhoria
I believe currently Russia is working hard to support its ancient cultures. The Soviets did so much damage! Karelia is part of Russia, too, and historically these dogs worked this landscape.@@rhoeasie
@@rhoeasie Russia has not destroyed any of these cultures, they have to some extent assimilated as they adopted the same Orthodox faith 500-1000 years ago and in some cases these Finno-Ugric peoples formed the Russian ethnos themselves along with Slavic tribes. Take a look at any Russian wooden architecture and you will realize it's exactly the same as the Finnic wooden agriculture - this is not a coincidence. And there has been a lot of intermarriage too which continues. You might as well accuse the Estonians of destroying the Setos people or the Finns of destroying the Karelians.
However some Finno-Ugric peoples have maintained their cultural independence and way of life entirely, such as the Nenets. It depends on the people in question.
My people
I hope your numbers increase and you revive your culture, your customs and traditions. I think the Izhorians are pagan in spirit. They should become pagans . All the best from India 🇮🇳
Wow, só interesting in today's "one world modern culture"...are there any other languages or nations closely related? As an outsider there seems to be a Middle-Eastern link here, just the sound of the singing, the look of the female co-presenter.
If you ever wondered why there is a gap on the map between the Finno-Ugric langagues of the Finns, the Sami and the Karelians an the one side, and the other Finno-Ugric langage in Estonia ... the answer is Russian imperialism.
Basically the whole Far North of European Russia used to be Finno-Ugric, every region between Finnland and the Ural mountains and a little beyond. There are some surviving Finno-Ugric languages still in Russia, like Mari, Komi, Udmurt and Mordvin, but they are all relatively small and endangered.
Today the by far largest Finno-Ugric language is Hungarian, the only one that has migrated far enough away from the Russki Mir.
@sxnap3480 ... and the Veps were also finno-ugric. The Vepsian language is also severely endangered with about only one thousand first language speakers and another thousand who speak it as a second language.
How do you interpret that according to grandma's story, they were slaves in Finland, with their "brothers"
What Russian Imperialism?
'Russians' are named after the state of Rus', which was founded by a Swedish Viking people of the same name led by Rurik. These people came to what's today Russia and founded a trading empire along the rivers, established cities and forts, brought a Viking warrior elite from Scandinavia to serve as the retinue and military backbone, while enlisting local Slavs and Finno-Ugrics from the surrounding tribes into their military force too. Said Slavic and Finno-Ugric tribes were engaged in farming and fur trapping, the Rus' would buy the furs locally and then trade them to the Byzantines, Muslims and others, growing rich off the trade. They would also engage in raids on rich trading cities and empires, and trade slaves at least initially, until they baptized and adopted Christianity by the 10th century. This whole arrangement as I mentioned quickly took the form of a state, with its own dynasty as well, the Rurikids, the descendants of the original viking prince. The first capital was Novgorod, but then Rurik's successor, Oleg, moved the capital to Kiev. Rus' territory would over the coming 2 centuries grow to stretch from the White Sea and Gulf of Finland, down to the cusp of the Black Sea, with a small colony in the Crimea even. They had royal marriages with the Byzantine monarchs, emissaries in the Muslim Caliphates, and Viking nobles from as far as Denmark would travel there. Magnus the Wise and Olaf Tryggvason, both future kings of Norway, spent part of their early years in Rus', and learned the Old Slavic language.
This explains the 'gap' you're talking about. While there were no cities or much of anything in either Finland or Estonia, there had already grown a powerful kingdom between them. The tribes that would become the Estonians and Finns would civilize, Christianize and establish statehood only much, much later in history.
And all the people and peoples who lived on the territory controlled by the Rus', to the outside world, became known as the people of Rus' over time, or Russians, Ruthenians, etc... as the state continued to establish itself into history. For the people inside, they first identified themselves and each other by their specific tribal or ethnic names; Vyatichi, Krivichi, Chuds, Vods, and so on.. they were a mix of mostly Slavs, together with different Finno-Ugric peoples, and some Turkic groups on the peripheries such as Cumans and Khazars (who were partially conquered), together with their Viking elites. But overtime they intermarried, adopted East Slavic dialects as a lingua franca and simply started to referring to themselves and their land as Rus'.
So if you want to blame anyone, blame the Swedes.
Btw I had no idea the woman described what the women should look like. That was a blind statement above. I’m really into,different cultures.
They are indigenous north eurasian population. 'Narrow' eyes as the woman said is typical for finno-ugric nations. Small nose, round features and round body, meaning strong enough to survive colds. Typical features of face the lady in 9:28
They’re very beautiful
Such bueaty ❤
😢😢😢❤❤.
All the last pure bloods are under threat of extinction.
This is amazing tho fr
You're probably walking on my ancestral land after they fled occupation.
Shame that we could not hear the language they are speaking
I see they weave blue jeans and tee shirts. Trendy
Russia tries to protect these people by not putting their location on the map, to be honest im a little jealous, i hate these pesky tourists who come to our reservation and pollute our lake with those damn zebra mussels.
I read that there are 1000 left
good looking people
it's just One of the indigenous of russia right? your title should be edited. unclear
Remembering, the Russians in the whole did not genocide indigenous tribes, unlike Western nations who colonized the rest of the world. The Russians utilized the Mongol or Asian mentality of colonization, they turned up and told the locals who they had to pay tribute to, hence the reason why the majority of indigenous tribes in Russia are still here today.
Only 1 way to prevent extinction, start having larger families and dont mix with other groups.
There are too few of them. It would result in inbreeding. Some should marry Russians, and convert them into Izhorian culture.
@@sarcasmunlimited1570 I'm not so sure about that. If they are Finno Urgic they should marry Finnish and Hungarians.
@@sarcasmunlimited1570 you can't be converted into another ethnicity 🤣
@@lucianaromulus1408
I did say culture, not ethnicity.
But you are right. They should marry other Ugro-Finns, of which there are many around lake Ladoga, and of course in Finland.
Hungarians are by now genetically quite distant.
That is 💯% a Star Trek name. 😂
I think you're right. I dreamed about an episode where Star Fleet had me pretend to be Captain Kirk in the first meeting with the Megaboobicons. It seems they got angry if they caught you looking at their eyes, so you had to keep staring hard at some other part. It was an easy mission, but Star Fleet never sent me back there after I woke up.
is this DNA trait coming up on DNA test readings ? If so , some who didnt know can come home maybe, to help pick up the population. I am linked to the Mazurian people of Poland .
if an ingrian does a commercial dna test, the result is most likely going show ''finnish'' for a large part