Hogan Said This Was an ABSOLUTE KEY in Golf!!!
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- Ben Hogan made the golf swing very easy and ridiculously powerful with this simple move. This is one that any golfer could do today and see incredible ball striking results.
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Hey Tom, excellent video as always, yet another piece in the Hogan puzzle to improve our play!
Question for you, it appears your grip has gotten stronger in recent months; your lead hand is pointed upward lately vs. down the line, as you espoused from Hogan a while back, left thumb on top of the handle with the thumb retracted the back of the lead hand facing the the target line.
Thank you for such a great video including Mr Chesterfield himself! How you explained the key tilt & then demonstrating side by side with Hogan on how similar both of your swings are was quite an eye opener. I have read through his infamous book numerous times but could never obtain decent results, & what you've just pointed out is the key concept.
The S&T system gets such bad press, including your own site, but what most viewers don't realize is how similar your swing is to the great Ben Hogan. Thanks so much for demonstrating this key concept to us mere golf mortals!
My pleasure!
Mr. Hogan delivered phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right? But there are just so many misconceptions about his swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied instruction - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I'm doing my best here to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness by taking what Mr. Hogan conveys in the “Five Lessons” book as his "feels", applying it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translating it into something we all can learn well from. Because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered.
As for the cigarette, with Ben Hogan there was always a purpose for everything, and as such I maintain that he used that Chesterfield as a prop, keeping it pointing at the ball to ensure that his head stayed in place and his tilted relationship with the ball remained intact. Just sayin'.....😎
Sadly, Stack and Tilt was relentlessly attacked by the "mainstream" of failed "instruction" whose erroneous concepts were threatened by the truth, and their nefarious efforts successfully - albeit temporarily - attached an undeserving "stigma" to the S&T name among those who chose not to do their own research.
The bottom line is this: The body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance Stack and Tilt swing system is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's greatest ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. We can watch any Tour event on TV and we'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
Thousands of folks across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result of learning this swing system through my online school, and their unsolicited testimonials tell the story quite well: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. Compare and contrast that with the sad reality that despite all the advances in equipment, technology, golf course grooming, etc. the average golfer still struggles to break 100. Epic failures within that realm of “conventional” instruction, perhaps??? So many misconstrued and/or misguided teachings - such as taking the club straight back, turning the shoulders level while independently lifting the arms, shifting into and torquing against a firm trail side, firing the hips, actively rolling the hands through impact, etc. - have relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of inconsistency and chronic frustration (and chronic back/knee/hip pain as well).
Would you like to learn some key aspects of the body-friendly, powerful, low-maintenance S&T swing system I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my newly updated FREE mini course “The Top 3 Keys You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ Featuring 17 videos and 45 minutes of detailed lesson and drill content, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the formal instruction method that is delivering the referenced results.
Thanks very much for your message and support!!
Tom Saguto, PGA
Tom has literally changed my golf game forever . Even a few months ago i was so inconsistent. But after watching his videos ive literally transformed my game.
So much compression, so many crispy chicken shots.
Took my 8 iront from 140 to 170 yards with a softer swing.
I owe a lot to this guy!
That's outstanding, Charles!! 💪💪 I'm very glad to know that my instruction is resonating with you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing and putting it into play.
By the way, if you've not already joined have you considered enrolling in the online school and taking your learning - and your game - to the next level? That's where - in addition to detailed lessons and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish - you'll find diagnostic tools for identifying/resolving swing and ball flight issues when they arise, plus advanced level instruction, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. And here's a link to my free mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” if you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/ At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year you won't "owe" me much 😎, and the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
Thanks so much for your support in sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!!
Tom
73 yr old been watching your videos.Like your explanation but I wasn’t quite there. But today I did the biz and beat all the competition but in addition to what you said I had to rotat my forearm slightly after my shoulder went under my chin. Thank you I’m on cloud 9.Keep up the good work from a happy Welshman from Glynhir golf club South Wales UK.
That's awesome, Emry!! 💪💪 I'm very glad to know that my instruction is resonating with you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing and putting it into play!
By the way, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that a significant percentage of my online school members are in their 60's, 70's, and 80's - i.e.: a smorgasbord of chronic ailments, physical limitations, back/shoulder/knee/hip pain, arthritis, and joint replacements - and they are overwhelmingly elated to experience the dramatic pain-free game improvement, seemingly effortless power, and resulting enjoyment that this swing affords them.
If you've not already done so, have you considered enrolling in the online school and taking your learning - and your game - to the next level? That's where - in addition to detailed lessons and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish - you'll find diagnostic tools for identifying/resolving swing and ball flight issues when they arise, plus advanced level instruction, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and their unsolicited testimonials tell the story quite well: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
You don't need the flexibility of a Romanian gymnast - or even of this far less pliable golf instructor - to execute this swing, experience great ball striking, and reclaim - or even exceed - yardages from years past. I hope you'll give the school some thought.
Thanks so much for sharing your improvement and elation, and keep up the great work!!
Tom
I don’t love most RUclips golf instructors because they seem so gimmicky, but Toms point of view and take on teaching is very refreshing in the sense that he doesn’t try and bombard his viewers with crap they don’t understand, but with common sense golf instruction. Thank you Tom.
I sincerely appreciate your kind words, and I'm very glad to know that my lesson content and teaching style are resonating with you and providing clarity and simplicity in the muddied, overly complicated, oft-conflicting realm of golf instruction.
Thanks for your message and support!!
Tom
Another great refresher course from Tom Saguto. His system is simple and based on time honored swing basics. But one needs to consistently stick with it and not wander in the golf desert. The best and least money I’ve ever spent on any aspect of golf.
I'm most grateful for your kind words and testimonial regarding the online school, Steve!! Yes - I did my best to price the school at a "no-brainer" level given the quality and effectiveness of the delivered product, and I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to "shout it from the rooftop".
As for that "golf desert", indeed we must be careful in navigating the muddied, overly-complicated, oft-conflicting realm of golf instruction. It's best to commit to a system - preferably this body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance method 😎 - put one's blinders on, and stick to it.
Thanks again for your support and keep up the great work!!
Tom
Aloha from the great SW...I often hear 'don't turn' and 'keep the spine angle' etc. Even the point the front shoulder at the ball that you use... ...BUT, I have never seen it presented in this manner...took it straight to the course today (no practice facility anywhere nearby) and wedges crisp with a higher ball flight for me. The long irons were crisp, though sometimes missed with a pull/draw. Not sure what that reason would be but hopefully I will sort it out. And chipping was very crisp and clean with the mini version of this spine tilt towards the target. Excellent stuff.
I used to be a 5 but have struggled mightily with different concepts after failing mightily with one in particular that I stuck with for far too long. In trying to extract myself, I had serious yips...like stopping in the middle of the backswing as many as a couple dozen times a round...needed a lobotomy but Groupon doesn't seem to carry any specialists for that endeavor so here I am and this one video sorted out a major issue. Figure out the pull/hook thing and, who knows???
Aloha, Brian... I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing and putting it into play, and I appreciate you sharing your noticeable ball striking improvement!
The body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system I teach is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. In fact, watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of golfers executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top. Thus, I am certainly not surprised to learn that you had such success by just incorporating this one element.
By the way, I do have a lobotomy offer for you.... 😎 If you'd really like to get on the fast track towards properly learning this swing system in a comprehensive, sequential platform, please consider my online school. It will make for a far more efficient, superior, and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through these channel videos that jump around randomly from topic to topic. The school is where you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish, along with diagnostic and corrective tools for resolving common swing, contact, and ball flight issues, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. And there's really no Groupon needed, since at just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
Thanks for your message and keep up the great work!!
Tom
Superb Tom. Great video for tilting.
Thanks Nasir - I'm glad to know that this tilt video resonated with you, and I hope it performs well when you incorporate it into your practice!
Tom
Never change Saguto, brilliant videos, legendary character.
No worries, Sammy, as I am who I am 😎, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and "lesson and a show" teaching style are resonating with you!!
Thanks for your support!
Tom
PS: By the way, since you are liking my channel's content, I think you will really enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Great instruction Tom. Best explanation and vid I’ve ever seen on the subject.
Thanks!! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you to such an extent, and I appreciate your validating remarks and ongoing support!!
Tom
BTW, I lived the on course blog you did, I know everyone here would love to watch you play a round.
CRISPY
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed it!!
I saw Mark Crossfield do a similar video about tilt. He actually showed that if you tilt towards the target and then independently turn your lower body, it gets you into a great backswing position. We tend to think we're not tilting because we don't think of how we move upper and lower body independently, but since we're tilted over to towards the ball at address, just turning around our hips will swing your head around behind the ball; to stay above the ball, we have to tilt.
Here's another way to think about it. If you tilt toward the target while keeping your head in place you will introduce the other components of turning and extending to put your body in the perfect backswing position with your shoulder oriented downward towards the ball. To get a feel for the coordinating of these elements we can reverse engineer it as follows: Without a club in your hands rest the top of your forehead against a wall to keep it in place. Without allowing your head to move execute the forward side tilting motion and watch what happens. Magically your lead shoulder has turned downward, your spine has extended, and you have achieved a beautiful on-plane" backswing position!!
So yes - tilt is a must for consistency, no matter how one personally needs to go about "feeling" it!
Thanks,
Tom
But who asked?
I did
Thanks for the great advice - I have been struggling with the dreaded fairway top 😢I’ve been following your advice - straight left arm, weight on front foot, trail arm tucked, head over the ball, no swaying, etc, but…..I had been ever so slightly pulling my torso up and away from the ball at impact, changing the impact point. Please consider a video on topping and how some of us have a tendency to lift our torso up at the wrong time - thanks!
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Dave!
There are a few potential root causes for what you are experiencing. Here are a couple of possibilities:
1) Early Extension of the trail arm in the downswing: ruclips.net/video/RPBhaX_ILoE/видео.html
2) Improper hip action. For example, the lateral targetward action of the hips acts as a governor to prevent a premature over-rotation and thereby enables the player to keep their upper torso square and their swing center intact without having to fight their body. It's also a very powerful move that you will notice with every great player. (Cue up a face-on video of any Tour player, put your finger, mouse pointer, or some other reference tool on their lead hip at address, and then observe the extent to which the hips move laterally past your pointer in the downswing while the head - and thus the swing center - remains in place.) Most amateur golfers already have plenty of the rotational component; they need to build in the lateral hip slide to suppress the early-onset spinout that causes so many to get steep and across the line, or they get stuck, early extend, flip, etc. Here are some lesson videos specific to this topic:
- ruclips.net/video/Us6jSgMvJmM/видео.html
- ruclips.net/video/dB4ItR3guGU/видео.html
- ruclips.net/video/I5XYgKopTb4/видео.html
Really, though, the online school is the best place to learn this swing properly and sequentially in a comprehensive, structured environment. The step-by-step, position-by-position detail you’ll get there is far superior to haphazardly piecing things together through a series of YT videos. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more organized manner.
Thanks,
Tom
That shot at 2:51 where Ben has a smoke in his mouth swinging the club had me cacking up 😂. Times were different back then.
LOL! Indeed they were. However, with Ben there was always a purpose for everything, and as such I maintain that he used that Chesterfield as a prop, keeping it pointing at the ball to ensure that his head stayed in place and his tilted relationship with the ball remained intact. Just sayin'.....😎
TS
If you look at the left shoulder passing the cigarette it always clears it at the exact same place. What a training aid but not the healthiest option.
Excellent swing thought. Keep centred, get the tilt right and everything else slots into place. Many thanks 👍
Thanks John - I'm glad this lesson resonated with you!
Keep it centered, keep it tilted, keep it crispy! 💪💪
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, perhaps you might also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”?: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Excited to start practicing this. Just could be the missing piece of the puzzle to stop hitting behind the ball so much. So frustrating, hopeful it will counter my sway 🙏
I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, and I hope it performs well when you put it into practice!
With regard to your swaying issues and the resulting shifting low point, while there are certainly other videos on my channel that address this topic, a better option for you would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Have fun out there!!
Tom
It's an absolutely fascinating video and will most probably be a big learning curve nice one Tom!
Thanks! I'm very glad to know that this tilt lesson resonated with you, and I hope it performs well when you put it into practice!
Tom
PS: With regard to that "learning curve", if you'd really like to get on the fast track towards properly learning this swing system in a comprehensive, sequential platform, please consider my online school. It will make for a far more efficient, superior, and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through these channel videos that jump around randomly from topic to topic. The school is where you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish, along with diagnostic and corrective tools for resolving common swing, contact, and ball flight issues, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
so exactly correct tom, that is the one compound
component that keeps the entire axis of motion
where it must be to maintain your ball /divot
strike because you connect with the ball on
a descending path, (irons) that only alters for
the woods as ball position is moved to the
left ,and contact follows later as the arc of
the clubhead begins its upward motion, 👍
😇
Thanks - I'm glad this lesson resonated with you!
With regard to the driver, I am aware that many folks out there believe - and some even teach - that we must try to "hit up on the ball". However, consider that in our stock setup with the driver the hands are even with the inside of the lead thigh (as they are with all clubs when playing a standard shot) and our ball position is even with the inside of the heel of the lead foot. This presets a very slight degree of forward shaft lean with the driver. Beyond that, the ball is behind the zero-point of the swing (which is even with the lead shoulder), meaning that without any contrived manipulations the club will still be on its descent - albeit very close to flat - at impact.
So, perhaps with the exception of folks with slower swing speeds - or those Long Drive participants teeing it extra high and hitting maybe 1-2 balls out of 10 onto a 60-yard wide "fairway" - in general the path is still ever so slightly down. In fact, the PGA Tour average with the driver is actually minus (e.g.: downward) 1.5 degrees - nearly level - _and it should feel level_ - but slightly down nonetheless. (Here is an article on Ping’s website addressing this topic - ping.com/en-us/blogs/proving-grounds/optimal-launch-and-spin#:~:text=According%20to%20Trackman%2C%20PGA%20Tour,85%25%20ball%2Dflight%20laws )
For these reasons I do not advocate trying to hit up on the ball, and efforts to do so has caused many an amateur significant issues with their driver.
Tom
Your vid helps a lot in my golf. Do you have any videodisc on the 3 woods? Just wondering if the setup is still the same 😊
I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you, Sharon, and I am very glad to learn of your improvement!!
It is essentially the same swing with every club; just some minor setup differences and naturally occurring shaft plane changes as we graduate up in club length from short irons to woods. To demonstrate, you'll find towards the end of this episode some practice range footage of me hitting a 7 iron, 3 wood, and driver: ruclips.net/video/o0xscMyN3v8/видео.html
Here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” where you can learn some aspects of the system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/ This will provide a nice foundational understanding of the swing keys that will ultimately get you mashing the ball through your entire bag.
Keep up the great work!! 💪💪
Tom
Another great video. Keep ‘em coming!
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed it, and will do!!
TS
One of the reasons this is my favorite golf tips channel is because you are located to a place near and dear to my heart. Murrells Inlet, SC. My Grandparents lived in Spring Forrest (Neighborhood right next to Indigo Creek. Boy, have they let that course go to hell.) What are some of your favorite courses in between MB and Pauleys?
There are far too many great ones in this area to pick a favorite. I typically play at The Reserve since I'm a member there, but right here in my immediate Pawleys Island locale there are nine excellent public tracks to choose from, and I've enjoyed them all!
Thank you once again Professor Saguto.
My pleasure! I'm glad to know that the "class" enjoyed today's lecture... 😎
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, perhaps you might also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”?: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Excellent explanation! Very helpful Keep up the great content
I appreciate that, Ross, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you!!
Tom
PS: By the way, since you are liking my channel's content, I think you will really enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hey Tom, great video. I love Ben Hogan's swing. Can you include more slow-motion cuts of your swings in future videos? Would be greatly appreciated! Grts, Jonas
I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, Jonas, and I hope it performs well when you put it into practice!
I do slow down my swing in numerous videos, but even when I don't you can still manually adjust the playback of any YT video to as slow as 1/4-speed by clicking on the settings button at the lower right side of the video player. Or you can pause a video and press the period ( . ) button to advance frame by frame and the comma ( , ) to reverse frame by frame.
Thanks,
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hi Tom
great video thanks
do you have some stuff on the downswing as im still coming over the top with tilt and inswing its a shoulder turn ahead of hip turn but very hard to control swinging at full speed for the amateaur!! thanks tim
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Tim!
Based on your description, there may be a deficiency with regard to your hip action in the downswing. For example, the lateral targetward action of the hips acts as a governor to prevent a premature over-rotation and thereby enables the player to keep their upper torso square and their swing center intact without having to fight their body. It's also a very powerful move that you will notice with every great player. (Cue up a face-on video of any Tour player, put your finger, mouse pointer, or some other reference tool on their lead hip at address, and then observe the extent to which the hips move laterally past your pointer in the downswing while the head - and thus the swing center - remains in place.) Most amateur golfers already have plenty of the rotational component; they need to build in the lateral hip slide to suppress the early-onset spinout that causes so many to get steep and across the line, or they get stuck, early extend, flip, etc. Here are some lesson videos specific to this topic:
- ruclips.net/video/Us6jSgMvJmM/видео.html
- ruclips.net/video/dB4ItR3guGU/видео.html
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While there are certainly plenty of other videos on my channel that address your stated problem, a better option for you would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
I call this leaning into the shot. Great lesson!
That's a good way to think of it!
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Tom
i hada 87 once, 92 at a tough course, man i'm never gonna get any better than this idk why i'm watching these in february
LOL! Because golf always keeps us coming back, and deep down you know you are gonna get better.....
For a really good starting point to get you on the proper path towards consistently crispy ball striking bliss, here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker": go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Embrace the challenge, embrace the process, embrace this greatest of games!
Tom
Hi Tom, I just discovered your channel. It's awesome! Which muscle/body part starts the down swing? Is it shoulder or arm?
I appreciate that, Omar, and welcome aboard!!
How to initiate the downswing is a loaded question because it is so dependent on individual tendencies that I cannot give a generalized answer. If I tell you that it's a lateral hip slide but your downswing already naturally has sufficient forward force, then you'll hit pushes and/or hooks all day long, and if I tell you to rotate your hips but you are already naturally applying enough outward force, then your destination is pull/slice city! I could also say the shoulders, or dropping the hands, or getting the lead arm off the chest, or rolling your trail foot targetward, or increasing pressure into the lead leg, etc. It's really a matter of finding out and ingraining what works best for you!
This is why I do my best to convey multiple “feels” or thoughts throughout the swing wherever possible. We're all different physiologically and psychologically, and something that resonates effectively with one golfer may not necessarily work for another.
The lessons on this channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, feels, and/or common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a comprehensive, step-by-step, position-by-position learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the fast track towards owning this swing as it will make for a far more efficient and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through my channel's content. The lessons and drills provide the guidelines and set the boundaries, while allowing ample leeway for each individual golfer to infuse and exercise their own uniqueness. Also, through the school you will still have access to the KFC Club RUclips channel member videos, so if you were to enroll there would be no need to maintain both memberships.
Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result of the school, and their unsolicited testimonials tell the story quite well: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
Thanks for your message and support. Now, let's move forward and get you enjoying the best golf of your life this year!
Tom
Great video. Another bad thing that happens when you don't tilt - your hips come forward (towards the ball) to balance out the shoulders turning flat. That loses all your posture, space to swing, and relationship to the ball. I caught myself doing this on video recently at the top of my swing. I've done a lot of backswing work in the mirror and have fixed it.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it, and excellent job with the self-diagnosis and repair!! 💪💪
Tom
Tilt away to a crispy strike, thanks Tom ,God Bless
You can add salt and pepper to taste, Ken, but this is one non-negotiable ingredient in the recipe for consistent crispiness. 😎
Glad you enjoyed it!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Lovin it
Hey Tom! Been member of the school for the past year, and improved heaps since then! But one problem that bothers me is late hinging (not 90 degree by arms parallel). Is this something i need to work on for stack and tilt? Or is it not a problem if i can get to a good position at the top. Thanks!
This is not an issue as long as you are able to achieve a full wrist set without any contrived manipulations by the time you get to the top. I definitely do not recommend trying to actively manufacture a wrist hinge as that will only lead to problems. Charlie Wi provides an excellent example of a classic S&T swing: ruclips.net/video/dsYeSPRxwyo/видео.html His wrist hinge occurs gradually and in response to 1) the swing motion, 2) keeping his upper arm connections intact, and 3) the weight of the club. You'll notice that he does not get to the full 90-degree hinge until the top.
Thanks for sharing your dramatic improvement and keep up the great work! 💪💪
Tom
This worked fantastic for my irons. Thanks! With a driver, I try to stay back in order to swing up (something I greatly struggle with). Are we still tilting the shoulder forward with driver?
So, here's the thing. The tilt applies to the driver as well; it is a critical component of the swing no matter what club you have in your hands, and you'll see it in the motions of the best players in the world. In fact, in this system it is essentially the same swing with every club; just some minor setup differences and naturally occurring shaft plane changes as we graduate up in club length from short irons to woods. To demonstrate, you'll find towards the end of this episode some practice range footage of me hitting a 7 iron, 3 wood, and driver: ruclips.net/video/o0xscMyN3v8/видео.html Beyond that, if you search the word "drive" on this channel you'll see some related content.
The question is whether you are executing the "tilt" properly as it can be a confusing concept for those who are transitioning from a "shift & lift" type of motion and had a far more level shoulder turn as a result. If you tilt toward the target while keeping your head in place you will introduce the other components of turning and extending to put your body in the perfect backswing position with your shoulder oriented downward towards the ball. To get a feel for the coordinating of these elements we can reverse engineer it as follows: Without a club in your hands rest the top of your forehead against a wall to keep it in place and assume your setup posture. Without allowing your head to move execute the targetward side tilting motion and watch what happens. Magically your lead shoulder has turned downward, and your spine has extended!!
I am aware that many folks out there believe - and some even teach - that we must try to "hit up on the ball" with the driver. However, consider that in our stock setup with the driver the hands are even with the inside of the lead thigh (as they are with all clubs when playing a standard shot) and our ball position is even with the inside of the heel of the lead foot. This presets a very slight degree of forward shaft lean with the driver. Beyond that, the ball is behind the zero-point of the swing (which is even with the lead shoulder), meaning that without any contrived manipulations the club will still be on its descent - albeit very close to flat - at impact.
So, perhaps with the exception of folks with slower swing speeds - or those Long Drive participants teeing it extra high and hitting maybe 1-2 balls out of 10 onto a 60-yard wide "fairway" - in general the path is still ever so slightly down. In fact, the PGA Tour average with the driver is actually minus (e.g.: downward) 1.5 degrees - nearly level - and it should feel level - but slightly down nonetheless. (Here is an article on Ping’s website addressing this topic - ping.com/en-us/blogs/proving-grounds/optimal-launch-and-spin#:~:text=According%20to%20Trackman%2C%20PGA%20Tour,85%25%20ball%2Dflight%20laws )
For these reasons I do not advocate trying to hit up on the ball, and efforts to do so due to erroneous advice has caused many an amateur significant issues with their driver.
Upon learning this swing properly you will be harnessing the tremendous power source known as "angular momentum". This is the reason my students and online school members of all age ranges end up bombing it farther than they ever had previously, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. And here's a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” if you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Tom
@@SagutoGolf ok excellent!! Thanks a lot. I suppose heard too much noise about hitting on the upswing. I know you can hit it very crispy without doing that. Will try myself.
Tom you are a phenomenal teacher!!!!!
Thanks so much - I sincerely appreciate your kind words, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you!!!
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, perhaps you might also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”?: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hey Tom, could you please do a vid on what you feel stretching throughout your swing. Right side and hamstring on backswing? Same for left from impact? Been searching for KFC contact for a while but so far no bueno. Feel these biomarkers might help to anchor swing acting as checkpoints for consistency. Great vids btw. Thanks, Adam
Hi Adam,
Based on your question I am quite certain that the level of detailed instruction you seek is best found in the comprehensive, sequential learning platform of my online school, and it will make for a far more efficient and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through these channel videos that jump around randomly from topic to topic. That's where - in addition to detailed lessons and drills that take you through the entire motion _step-by-step, position-by-position_ from setup to finish - you'll find diagnostic tools for identifying and resolving swing and ball flight issues when they arise as well as all my short game instruction, plus advanced level courses and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
Tom
Thanks for getting back to me, appreciate it. I might just do that. Some days I hit ok others I'm unfathomably useless. It's a totally frustrating mystery to me. Convinced I'm doing all the things you mention but guess I need video feedback. I'll check out the mini course first and likely sign up. Cheers mate. And nice to meet you. I'm Adam from England.@@SagutoGolf
Tom can you walk us through how to release that tilt. From the top of the backswing through your finish?
I absolutely do in the online school, and that is my best recommendation if you'd really like to get on the fast track towards properly learning this swing system in a comprehensive, structured, sequential platform. It will make for a far more efficient, superior, and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through these channel videos that jump around randomly from topic to topic. The school is where you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish, along with diagnostic and corrective tools for resolving common swing, contact, and ball flight issues, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
Tom
I’m fairly certain that the ciggie was the key to Hogan’s swing - it’s the little things… another great video by the way. Yours is the only advice I take on RUclips- succinct and simple advice.
Yeah - I think it was his "cheat". Keep the cigarette pointing at the ball to keep the relationship intact and the swing centered. 😎
Thanks! I sincerely appreciate your kind words and support, and I'm very glad to know that my lesson content and teaching style are resonating with you and providing clarity and simplicity in the muddied, overly complicated, oft-conflicting realm of golf instruction.
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I'm sure you will also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf/ Have you worked through it yet? It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Very good on the tilt with front shoulder on backswing. Question? Don’t we have some tilt in the downswing as well? For instance: To shallow the club… To keep our head behind the ball. Tucking our trail elbow….. What’s your opinion, while we’re discussing tilt… Thanks…
The trail shoulder tilts downward in the down swing. Essentially the opposite
Sure, Ron - there is spine tilt in the opposite direction in the downswing, and I have taught this as an option. For example, the thought of "banking airplane wings" to the left (for a RH player) in the backswing and to the right in the downswing is a concept that I have taught..
If you've been watching my videos for a while you may have come to understand that I do my best to convey multiple “feels” or thoughts throughout the swing wherever possible. We're all different physiologically and psychologically, and something that resonates effectively with one golfer may not necessarily work for another. However, no matter the variety of suggested feels/thoughts offered for a particular element of the swing, they are all directed at getting different golfers to achieve the desired positions, motions, and results. This is why I routinely recommend the online school - saguto.golf - to anyone who truly wishes to experience the joys of consistent, powerful, body-friendly ball striking bliss. The sequential lessons and drills provide the guidelines and set the boundaries, while allowing ample leeway for each individual golfer to infuse and exercise their own uniqueness.
Thanks for your message!
Tom
Got pretty instant improvements with my irons by using this instruction but really struggled with the Driver which is usually my strength. Any suggestion as to why that might be?
Hi Mark,
It is essentially the same swing with every club; just some minor setup differences and naturally occurring shaft plane changes as we graduate up in club length from short irons to woods. To demonstrate, you'll find towards the end of this episode some practice range footage of me hitting a 7 iron, 3 wood, and driver: ruclips.net/video/o0xscMyN3v8/видео.html Beyond that, if you search the word "drive" on this channel you'll see some related content.
Oftentimes when golfers are hitting everything well except for the driver - which is not unusual early in the transition process - it can be attributed to one of the following:
1) Their hips are not continuing their lateral slide through impact. This is common with the driver as the wider stance means that the hips have a greater distance to travel. If the hips stop moving laterally towards the target on the downswing then their rotation takes over, inhibiting any further necessary forward weight loading (we should be 80/20 forward halfway down, 90/10 at impact, and 95/5 in the finish), changing the low point and rerouting the club into a steeper angle of attack (AoA). This can produce a variety of undesirable results including fat and thin contact, topped shots and popups, straight pulls, and “banana” slices.
Of great importance is keeping your upper torso/head in place (in other words, not moving towards the target from a face-on view) while the hips execute the lateral slide action. This preserves the swing center and the desired shallow AoA.
2) They are not allowing the length of the club to dictate the backswing path and are getting too steep as a result. The shaft of the driver is considerably longer than the other clubs and thus requires more of an around the body backswing as established by the shaft plane at address. It may "feel" flat as they take it back along the shaft plane for the first few feet, but as long as they maintain the "weight forward, shoulder down, and hands in" components while allowing the club to work around them, it should put them in the proper position at the top so they can attack the ball from the inside. (A good feel for that lead shoulder is "down and in, under the chin".)
3) Many believe - and some even teach - that we must try to "hit up on the ball" with the driver. However, consider that in our stock setup with the driver the hands are even with the inside of the lead thigh (as they are with all clubs when playing a standard shot) and our ball position is even with the inside of the heel of the lead foot. This presets a very slight degree of forward shaft lean with the driver. Beyond that, the ball is behind the zero-point of the swing (which is even with the lead shoulder), meaning that without any contrived manipulations the club will still be on its descent - albeit very close to flat - at impact. So, perhaps with the exception of folks with slower swing speeds - or those Long Drive participants teeing it extra high and hitting maybe 1-2 balls out of 10 onto a 60-yard wide "fairway" - in general the path is still ever so slightly down. In fact, the PGA Tour average with the driver is actually minus (e.g.: downward) 1.5 degrees - nearly level - and it should feel level - but slightly down nonetheless. (Here is an article on Ping’s website addressing this topic - ping.com/en-us/blogs/proving-grounds/optimal-launch-and-spin#:~:text=According%20to%20Trackman%2C%20PGA%20Tour,85%25%20ball%2Dflight%20laws )
Here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” where you can learn some aspects of the system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/ This will provide a nice foundational understanding of the swing keys that will ultimately get you mashing the ball through your entire bag.
Tom
❤❤❤❤ I will get this!! I swear!! If not, coming to SC!!!😂
LOL!!! Are you stalking me now, Alan?....... 😆😆
Virtual or in-person - whatever works best. Though, of course, it's always great to be in South Carolina.... 😎
Tom, can you help me understand. When you say "tilt your spine towards the target" what is the target? Is it the target line you want the ball to travel ( ie the flag stick) or is the golf ball you are addressing to hit? Or do I have it completely wrong and it is something else. Thanks
Hi Max,
I understand that this can be a difficult concept to grasp at first because the untrained eye does not see the "tilt" in the swing. The tilt I speak of is toward the target (i.e.: flag stick). If you tilt toward the target while keeping your head in place you will introduce the other components of turning and extending to put your body in the perfect backswing position with your shoulder oriented downward towards the ball. To get a feel for the coordinating of these elements we can reverse engineer it as follows: Without a club in your hands rest the top of your forehead against a wall to keep it in place. Without allowing your head to move execute the forward side tilting motion and watch what happens. Magically your lead shoulder has turned downward, and your spine has extended!!
While there are certainly videos on my channel that address this topic, a better option for you would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
Front bend, side bend … power thrust. Great content in 3 dimensions
Thanks, Dara - I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, and I hope it performs well when you put it into practice!!
Tom
This instruction makes complete sense. If you keep your head centred you cannot help but take shoulder to the ball so long as you don't stand up to quick. Hogan swing however is not stack and tilt?.
I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, Peter!
A few years ago I went to some length to compare Mr. Hogan's motion to elements of the Stack and Tilt swing. Here is the video link if you care to view it: ruclips.net/video/AlTFGlwdwSw/видео.html
This body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance S&T swing system is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers, and of course Mr. Hogan is among them. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. Watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of golfers executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
By the way, would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks,
Tom
I continuously forget to tilt (left shoulder down). I think I do, then I do the club across the chest backswing drill and realise I'm really nowhere near where I need to be when the ball is there. I think that leads to an inside takeaway which then leads to coming excessively over the top.
Hi Mattias,
Yes - we need to be diligent about the tilt component as it is critical to consistently crispy ball striking, and if we are transitioning from an unreliable "shift & lift" motion that incorporated a far more level shoulder turn then that can easily creep back in.
If you've not already done so, I strongly encourage you to consider the comprehensive, sequential platform of my online school. It will make for a far more efficient, superior, and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through these channel videos that jump around randomly from topic to topic. The school is where you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish, along with diagnostic and corrective tools for resolving common swing, contact, and ball flight issues, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews.
And if you'd like to first "dip a toe in the water" prior to diving into the school, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ That is where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner.
Tom
Great video really
Thanks - I appreciate that and I hope it performs well for you!
Tom
Another good re-enforcement Coach. Be good-Russ
Thanks Russ - I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Tom
The answer to almost all your golf innabillities is right here on this channel.
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Well, to be clear - the full answers are in the online school. Consider this channel to be the a la carte menu, whereas the school is the full buffet of KFCrispy ball striking deliciousness loaded with heaps of buttery mashed potatoes.... 😎
Thanks Tom! I just realized that putting a cigarette in my mouth and turning under it creates great tilt. But I am not taking up smoking again!
With Ben there was always a purpose for everything, and as such I maintain that he used that Chesterfield as a prop, keeping it pointing at the ball to ensure that his head stayed in place and his tilted relationship with the ball remained intact. Just sayin'.....😎
@@SagutoGolf 😂😂😂
And you also tilt to the right in your downswing, equally important!
Although not the focal point of this lesson, yes - the spine tilts away from the target in the downswing, and this occurs in reaction to the proper lateral targetward hip action while keeping the upper torso - and swing center - in place.
Thanks!
Tom
I know this is probably just semantics, but it doesn't seem like the spine is "actively" tilting once you begin the golf swing. I establish my spine tilt when bending forward at address. Then, forgetting about the arms and club for a moment to illustrate the point, if I keep my head as still as possible, the only thing I feel is happening is my shoulders are rotating. If I've already tilted my spine over the ball at address, and then "actively" tilt it down further as I begin my swing, I feel like I would be changing the spine angle established at address which would now cause me to drive the club into the ground behind the ball? Again, probably just semantics here, but it just seems like the proper verbiage is to say the shoulders are simply rotating around the already tilted spine you established at address.
Hi Jeff,
While I know it may be a difficult concept to grasp at first, it's definitely not semantics. This is actually what is happening with the spine during the swing in order to retain our relationship with the ball, maintain our swing center, and generate power. While a golfer may not necessarily focus on them, there are dynamic spine actions occurring throughout a properly executed swing motion, and these fall into the categories, of tilting, turning, and extending/flexing.
So, as it relates to the backswing, if you tilt toward the target while keeping your head in place you will introduce the other components of turning and extending to put your body in the perfect backswing position with your shoulder oriented downward towards the ball. To get a feel for the coordinating of these elements we can reverse engineer it as follows: Without a club in your hands rest the top of your forehead against a wall to keep it in place. Without allowing your head to move execute the forward side tilting motion and watch what happens. Magically your lead shoulder has turned downward, and your spine has extended!!
While there are certainly videos on my channel that address this topic, a better option for you would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
Hi Tom, and thanks for taking the time to explain this. I am already a member of your school, but am having some difficulty grasping this concept. On the surface it seems like tilting towards the target without moving your head would be impossible. But obviously you wouldn’t be telling us to do it if that were the case. So it’s back to the drawing board for me! I’m determined to get this down. Thanks again Tom for taking the time 😊
Holy cow! I’m at work but just did the wall drill and it finally clicked. I remember you talking about it in the school and thinking to myself, maybe he’s just explaining it this way to ensure we get good shoulder turn without pulling our head off the ball. I didn’t really get it because I assumed it wasn’t possible to tilt towards the target without simultaneously moving your head. I should have taken the wall drill more seriously and done it sooner. I can’t wait to get a club in my hand to work on this. Thanks again Tom!
Agree 100% But can you reverse tilt? Do too much?
If you keep your head in place and simply point your lead shoulder at the ball, it will be very difficult if not impossible to over-tilt, Jeff. In fact, a steady head was Jack Nicklaus’ most important swing key as explained in this video from my channel's archives: ruclips.net/video/E5csidjztzg/видео.html
And while I certainly have other videos that address this topic, a better option would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the structured learning method that has countless thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks,
Tom Saguto, PGA
I am really struggling to understand what you mean Tom, when you say you're tilting your spine "towards the target." As we stand over the ball at address, the spine is tilted forward a certain number of degrees. So now aren't we just rotating the shoulders from this tilted forward position, so that the lead shoulder moves down, pointing towards a spot somewhere above the ball, while the trial shoulder moves up and back behind you? I'm just not getting the verbiage that your tilting "towards the target." In my way of thinking I'm already tilted "forward" at address, and then simply rotating my shoulders while maintaining the forward tilt established at address. I know there must be something I'm missing here, and I really do want to understand this!
Sorry Tom, I posted this comment without realizing you had already responded a response to a similar comment I made about a month ago.
No problem, Jeff! And what you referenced is the problem with instruction that says to "keep your spine angle". It does not recognize the constantly changing condition of the spine throughout a correctly executed motion - i.e.: the tilting, turning, extending, and flexing actions that are occurring dynamically in order to keep us centered and generate tremendous and seemingly effortless power, all while preserving the body-friendliness of the swing. Instead, by "keeping your spine angle" the golfer locks himself down, greatly limits his ability to turn and extend, and places unnecessary stress on his restricted body.
Would you like to learn some of these key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
Well Tom, I ashamed now to admit that I am a paid member of your school, so I have no excuses for not for not already understanding the concept of proper tilt. I haven't spent the time in your school I clearly need to, to better understand this concept. I've been riding on my laurels as someone who can hit the ball a long way, and thinking I already understand turning and tilting. But clearly I do not. Because although I can pick up my 7 iron and hit it 190 yards on one swing, the next might be 178, or 168. So clearly there's something missing. So for now, I think I'm going to forget about everything I think I know, and spend more time in your school learning what I really need to know. Thank you. 🙂
Tilt party!
You remembered LOL!! I'll bring the extra-crispy KFC, Colin!! 😎
Tom is legit, take my $15
Current goal is to break 90 then I want to break 80!
Well then, we'll see you in the online school where you can get on the fast track towards achieving those goals!
Thanks for your message and support!!
Tom
Tom, can you show your swing in a slow motion while you go through a full swing.
I slow down my swing in numerous videos, but even when I don't you can still manually adjust the playback of any YT video to as slow as 1/4-speed by clicking on the settings button at the lower right side of the video player. Or you can pause a video and press the period ( . ) button to advance frame by frame and the comma ( , ) to reverse frame by frame.
Thanks,
Tom
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@@SagutoGolfIs this tip for desktop version? Can't see it on the app.
Great video. Now show how to keep the tilt through impact...that's key.
Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Yes - there is spine tilt occurring in the opposite direction in the downswing. While some like to "feel" this tilt - which starts immediately at the transition - it is actually in response the the lateral targetward action of the hips combined with the centered rotation of the shoulders.
While there are certainly videos on my channel that address this topic, a better option for you would be my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Thanks. I have done your mini course. Enjoyed it.
Funny how Moe Norman tilted away from the target opposite of what you teach. I’ve tried both and your way works better!
Hi Todd,
I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you!
With regard to Mr. Norman, we need to be careful in terms of the type of "tilt" we are referring to. This lesson is about the forward tilting action of the spine during the backswing which, when combined with the other dynamic actions of the swing enables us to remain centered and retain our relationship with the ball, which is critical to consistency and power. What this is not about is the degree of shoulder tilt relative to the ground at setup. The fact that the trail hand is below the lead hand on the handle of the club naturally establishes some measure of shoulder tilt at address, and this will vary based on ball position and weight distribution.
I do understand that “tilt” can be a confusing concept for those who are transitioning from a "shift & lift" type of motion and are accustomed to a far more level shoulder turn as a result. However, it is a critical component of the swing no matter what club you have in your hands, and you'll see it in the motions of the best players in the world. If you tilt toward the target while keeping your head in place you will introduce the other components of turning and extending to put your body in the perfect backswing position with your shoulder oriented downward towards the ball. To get a feel for the coordinating of these elements we can reverse engineer it as follows: Without a club in your hands rest the top of your forehead against a wall to keep it in place and assume your setup posture. Without allowing your head to move execute the targetward side tilting motion and watch what happens. Magically your lead shoulder has turned downward, and your spine has extended!!
Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks for your message!
Tom
in a different video you said just turn your shoulders no tilting or leaning what so ever. so im comfussed
Hi Antonio,
I do my best to convey multiple “feels” or thoughts throughout the swing wherever possible. We're all different physiologically and psychologically, and something that resonates effectively with one golfer may not necessarily work for another. As such, it is very important to understand that the lessons on this channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, feels, and/or common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a comprehensive, step-by-step, position-by-position learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the proper path towards owning this swing as it will make for a far more efficient and enjoyable learning process rather than haphazardly trying to piece things together through my RUclips content. The lessons and drills provide the guidelines and set the boundaries, while allowing ample leeway for each individual golfer to infuse and exercise their own uniqueness. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result of the school, and their unsolicited testimonials tell the story quite well: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews.
Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to my formal instruction style.
Thanks,
Tom
@@SagutoGolf yes i know you do i love your videos but i was just confused. one day i will come see you for a much needed lesson thank you for all the content you provide to assist slubs like me
I understand, Antonio, and I do appreciate your kind words and support!
By the way, if you're not already a member the online school will provide plenty of clarity for you at a small fraction of the cost of a lesson. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
Thanks again!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf for sure will be joining that thank you
How about the downswing
Yes, Desmond - there is spine tilt occurring in the opposite direction in the downswing. While some like to "feel" this tilt - which starts immediately at the transition - it is actually in response the the lateral targetward action of the hips combined with the centered rotation of the shoulders.
TS
I tilt when I golf. I'll take an 8, then go on tilt and start getting 10's.
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well, i actually think you turn and tilt better than hogan. certainly better than hogan did in the video you show here. obviously, he is 55 here and will not have had the physical ability to turn like you can- though, i am sure you will be able to turn just as well, as you do now, when you are 55- hogan actally stops turning and tilting as he approaches the top of his backswing; and, has a forwards movement towards the target with his head. i have always had the worst turn and worst tilt of any golfer. but, i studied the way you control the club with your left hand; and, have learned to estalish more control with the heel pad of my left hand just by taking my right hand off the club at the end of my follow thru and then swinging back, putting my right hand on the club towards the top of my backswing. i can now actually turn beyond 90 degrees.
but, if we were stood in an upright position and turned to the right we would actually tilt to the left to do this. we wouldn't lean to the left. the lower left side of the neck would press back to turn the body around; and, this makes us tilt to the left. the left side of the right leg then presses forwards, towards the instep, to help us turn all the way round. and, when we look at the '48 US open we can see that hogan actually aligns his head to the right at address. and, he does this by pressing back with the lower left side of his neck. the coil that this creates realigns his head in the downswing. if he had just simply turned his head off to the right, he, of course, would have no recoil and his head would not realign. it does sound like a bit of a strange method; and, no other golfer really has done this. but, it has helped me.
But here's the thing - a significant percentage of my online school members are in their 60's, 70's, and 80's - i.e.: a smorgasbord of chronic ailments, physical limitations, back/shoulder/knee/hip pain, arthritis, and joint replacements - and they are overwhelmingly elated to experience the dramatic pain-free game improvement, seemingly effortless power, and resulting enjoyment that this swing affords them. _It all begins with a proper setup which provides for a free-flowing motion_ (and yes, a much fuller turn!). Upon that good foundation a repeatable swing which produces consistently crispy impact can be built.
Have you looked into the comprehensive, sequential learning platform of the online school yet? That's where - among many other courses and lessons covering various aspects of the game - you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews.
You don't need the flexibility of a Romanian gymnast - or even of this far less pliable golf instructor - to execute this swing, experience great ball striking, and reclaim - or even exceed - yardages from years past. I hope you'll give the school some thought.
Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there to you as an option. Thanks as always for your kind words and for sharing your unique feels and actions!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf thanks for that tom, i will be 60 in a few years time. and, you are certainly the best swing coach around. haven't had a golf lesson for 42 years. my old coach had me pushing my left hip out in the direction that it pointed at the top of my backswing. after half topping every shot i asked him if he worked on what he told me to do; and, he replied: "no i just go out there and hit it"; and, i have never had a lesson since. though, i have had impromtu lessons from john jacobs, ian mosey, terry westbrook and pete cowen. at the time i could not do the things ian mosey told me to do. but, i can now after having an operation to remove an extra rib, that i was born with and had snapped off. and, it is the exact same thing that you are now coaching. i am currently working on looking at a spot a foot or so behind the ball, on the target line, as i get into the address position; and, then pressing down with the left side of my head- to enable me to then look directly at ball- with my left hand in a high position as i place my right hand on the club. and, you can't get a better tip than that for crispy kfc.
I think the other key is to watch his hip move forward
Nice observation, and though not the theme of this lesson I absolutely do have content on that topic.
When properly deployed in the correct sequencing, our hips certainly provide a power boost. When prematurely rotated, all bets are off. For example, the lateral targetward action of the hips acts as a governor to prevent a premature over-rotation and thereby enables the player to keep his upper torso square without having to fight their body. It's also a move that you will notice with every great player. (Cue up a face-on video of any Tour player, put your finger, mouse pointer, or some other reference tool on their lead hip at address, and then observe the extent to which the hips move laterally past your pointer in the downswing while the head - and thus the swing center - remains in place.) Most amateur golfers already have plenty of the rotational component; they need to build in the lateral hip slide to suppress the early-onset spinout that causes so many to get steep and across the line, or they get stuck, early extend, flip, etc. Here are some lesson videos specific to this topic:
- ruclips.net/video/Us6jSgMvJmM/видео.html
- ruclips.net/video/dB4ItR3guGU/видео.html
- ruclips.net/video/I5XYgKopTb4/видео.html
Tom
PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Ben also keeps his cigarette pointing toward the ball throughout the swing.
YES, Peter! I maintain that he was using that Chesterfield as a swing aid.....😆😆
Anyone else sing Time after Time at the same moment 😂 🙋🏽♂️
Apologies to Cyndi Lauper, and no - I won't be quitting my day job.....😎
@@SagutoGolf 😂 I'm sure she would have appreciated as much as I did 🙌🏾
Needs moar hammock! 😄
Definitely something you might have uttered in Kelly's Heroes....😎
Tom, your wrong. Hogans secret was the cigarette in his mouth. He had advanced technology. A laser, only visible to Hogan, was pointing directly at the ball throughout his swing. He also had 1 KFC fried chicken leg in each front pocket for balance.
Actually, I agree. With Mr. Hogan there was always a purpose for everything, and as such I maintain that he used that Chesterfield as a prop, keeping it pointing at the ball to ensure that his head stayed in place and his tilted relationship with the ball remained intact. Thanks very much for the spot-on analysis of his swing!! 😎
TS
Tasty McNuggets oh yes
Nothing but the crispiest for you, Dale - with a little extra sauce on the side.... 😎
TS
That first shot was fat… lol 🔥🦇🔥
I just played it back frame-by-frame even though I already knew the answer. Nope. It was phat as in awesomely KFCrispy. 😎
Ben hogans shoulders are not nearly as steep as yours when hes wearing the blue shirt. If you’re hips are tilted too much it’s hard not to not jump at the ball and get steep.
If you account for significant differences in physical attributes, Julian - which one *_MUST_* do in order to make an appropriate "apples-to-apples" comparison - then yes: Mr. Hogan and I are on very similar planes. As for the angle of the hips, it is supportive of the tilted rotation of the shoulders. If the hips rotate more level then we are either going to fight our bodies in order to retain our relationship with the ball - which is critical to consistency - or our shoulders are going to level out and cause a host of ball striking issues.
This body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system that I teach is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best golfers in the world. Watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top. Thousands of folks across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result of learning this swing system through my online school, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
TS
@@SagutoGolf all you’re swings.. your left shoulder isn’t low. Just isn’t. Or else you’re stuck. I’ve been trying to straighten my shoulder out and I get such a better angle on the downswing because my right side can actually swing around my left easily. Without force
You’re wrong. I’m trying to keep my shoulder flat.. hitting it Herter than ever. I’m a 2 handicap
@@julianfreeman7503 let’s see your swing