Why I feed My Snakes ASF's
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We breed and feed exclusively ASF'S. Absolutely amazing. We've found our honduran milksnakes do amazing on them also
Ive been feeding only ASF recently, amazing results, great response and putting on weight
Thorough coverage of this! Great video!
Awww at firat i thought they were baby opossum
Great Video Gavin
I got a new BP 5 weeks ago & couldn't get him eat anything saw this video on ASF rats found someone with ASF got one from him put it in the enclosure and about an hour later my new boy had it coiled up & ate it. Big Thank You to Balls2U & to Mutation Creation for pointing this video out in one of there videos.
Thank you
Great video Gavin, very informational.
Great video Gavin and great content as always 👍🏻
Great set up mate....your garden is banging too🤛 thanks for the shout out 😊
No ASFs in Utah, however we are relocating to Colorado once this pandemic allows, I know I can get them there and plan to feed ASFs then.
....nice shirt! 🤘🏻
Same here in California - they're illegal here.
Atomic Reptiles everything is illegal over here 😂
Just had my first litter this year. Only have 9 snakes but it still cost me $60 or so if they all eat. So I'm getting out ahead of it and can sell or freeze. I do have an enormous deep freeze in the room. Also give them treats or granola bars and other veggies
I raise ASF's for my Ball pythons. That's all I feed them. The only problem is that I don't have enough snakes to keep up the their production.
Great and entertaining vidio!!
Great video mate! Completely agree. I still feed a mixture of ASF and rats but that’s mainly because I can’t breed quite enough Multis with my current rodent facility. My breeder females do great on ASF 👍🏻
There definitely are large populations of both rattus rattus and rattus norvegicus in all of Africa, Central Africa included.
great video. been debating on breeding small scale.
Fab video as always. Where do you get a group of live ASF's from, in order to start a small breeding colony? Many thanks, Lisa
Lisa Richmond - it depends on where you live. If you’re in the US, some states don’t allow them.
If they are legal where you live you can sometimes find them in pet stores.
Great vid, I do remember your last one on asf long time ago.
Only got one ball but recently I have been thinking to which to asf once current batch is up.
& this video has just confirmed my decision 👍
Ps once boss lady allows me to grow my collection I will be looking at your stock. Because without doubt you have the best royals in England 🏴
great video gavin, i started breeding my own asf's due to ur videos on them. was hard to find though as hardly anyone in scotland working with them. i tried getting them as pets years ago when i kept rodents but were never available.
As always Gavin. It all makes sense. Awesome videos.....
How do I get in touch with you personally.??
Switch all over 2 months Ago ! Perfect 👌🏻 no stupid rats walking over my Shakes anymore!
great post!
Hope you are doing good Gavin.
I agree with u,good video
I would love to see an experiment with two hatchlings one feed strictly rats and the other asf and see the weight difference over a span of time. Of course you would need a couple different snakes to test this on🤔
I did this with a clutch between me and a friend, that's why I can say what I said in the video 👍🏼
Balls2U was there a significant difference in grams between the bps
@@soloherps yes with colour and size, but maintaing health also
This is fascinating. Looks like you care for you food as well as snakes.
Just a wealth of knowledge and advice as always. Love the video. I breed rat's too, but their just comon brown rats. Hope that you're doing well and that there's more to come in the near future. Later!
Last year I started to feed my 6 mth old ball python ASF after watching your channel.He feeds on one weekly but defecates about once every 2 months!when he was on weiner rats he ate weekly and defecated about every two weeks.He is growing realy nicely and like you say there is no smell at all from him.Is this normal for the pooing though?I was worried he was constipated.
I'd like to get asf's for mine but here in the states they sell out as fast as they go in so they're almost impossible to get.
I use sow rolls for my rodents, rats, mice and afs's and they are all healthy on them.
i feed asf aswell. i find you take a 100gr asf compare to a 175gr rat to the same snake... the poo from the asf is roughly 10gr and the rat poo is 100 gr. so the rat is a lot of waste.. be like us paying for a big plate of food but throwing half out.
Gavin, do you feed your hatchlings with ASFs as well? My apologies if you have already covered this.
Yes I do, I find they really get a great start with them
Well spoken Gav, something to consider since I have a clutch of eggs on the way 👍
Great vid
Trying to get into these after the virus outbreak is calmed down. I have couple snakes got from someone gettn rid of their collection hardly won't eat. Can't find ASF around where I'm at and can't get them anywhere do to the Lacy act
Didn't see or even know that some snakes poo like bad like dogs. I got a het pied and a Mojave from a lady and she kept on about one that poo like a dog and I just thought that's crazy til I had some that do.
Great video Gavin. My Enchi has been on a food strike since November. I've tried brained rats and mice but to no avail. Do you think ASFs could tempt her to eat?
Yes it's worth a try
Even cheap car food has up to 32% protein so especially good for breeders
Meant cat not car
Great video have you every had a problem for a snake switching over from asf to rats?
Great vid Gavin, may I ask where you get your tubs from for the racks and what type they are??
Kev
I got them from eBay, not sure what type they are tbh
This is something I've been thinking about recently breeding rats. I have a small collection, hand full of boas, a pair of white lipped pythons. And with it getting a hassle to get hold of might be an empty market in my area. Multi I've not tried feeding because of the size however I am surprised how far a 50g multi can go. Very tempting for the dumerils that are fussy and usually need chick or quail.
Is the ark rights chicken dog biscuits better than burgees rat nuggets
I agree with you to a point. ASF's are the most desirable food, imo, however, breeders like Justin Kobylka has nothing but the humble rat because, as far as I know, it's illegal to keep them in his state. As for colour, we part ways there because genes play a bigger part. When I did breed them they got sow rolls but they always got mixed seeds, fruit and veg daily, not just as treats.
I really need a proper rat breeding stand but I'm utterly hopeless with my hands. How many breeding pairs of multis do you have for how many snakes?
Great video, Gavin. Interesting as always.
I did a split clutch with a friend of mine a few years back, he had 3 snakes from the clutch and feed them on rats on the same day with the same size rodent and I did the same with my 3 but on Multis..... The results convinced me that Multis work better..... Growth rate, colours feeding response etc..... All snakes involved in the test was normal double het for albino/pied so no visible morph involved......
If your breeding normal rats then it's 1 breeding female for every snake.... If it's Multis then it's 2 breeder females per snake as Multis take longer to grow up. Thanks for tuning in Stan 👍🏼
@@Balls2U Just wondering what it is about the multis that improves the colour. I know quality food is better for everything, there is absolutely no doubt about that. If I can even get someone to make me a few racks for breeding multis then that is definitely the way to go. As I said I did breed multis but the little fekkers always escaped and cost me a fortune in replacing cables to my phone, heaters, thermostats, routers ....god, man, they were costing me a fortune LOL.
Hoping to get your Pastel Vanilla het clown male breeding to some females next year. He's turned into a beauty, no doubt about that and the sweetest thing you can pick up. Want a bitch of a Champagne Dinker female? LOL HATES everything including herself Bites at every chance LOL. I'll be sending you some dosh on Friday for the Leopard lady ;)
So your large females don't seem still hungry on such a smaller rodent? Do you have to feed them more often?
O feed my breeder females once every 5 days when breeding
@@Balls2U how often when not breeding? And thanks been trying to get this info before I go to the trouble of getting the asfs since they are hard to get around my area.
What brand and model of bin do you use?
Hi big fan of your channel. Quick question what water nossels did you use ?
Thanks for the support.... I got them from LP in Europe
@@Balls2U Can you please send me the link, I can't seem to find them.
Doing alot of research lately before jumping in the deep end and asf vs rats of course comes up. Know im fairly new to bp but if youre going to equate asf to steak than why not the freshness of live or fresh killed over f/t? You know youre going to lose nutrients to the freezing process? Now i get is way more convenient, but is it as healthy for our animals?
Hey Gavin, enjoyed the vlog, something I have been considering recently rodent breeding.. I wanted to ask does there need to be a heat source in the 'barn/shed' haha, cheers.
Not really
Depends on your local microclimate. As a species they do need warmer temps, room temperature is fine but an unheated shed, especially in winter, will just kill them.
@@StanWatt. it was the winter months i was concerned about... thinking maybee the shed could do with an oil filled radiator or something like that to keep the temps up in winter.
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Great video ! do you supply heat in the winter?
How many snakes can you maintain with your 15 colonies?
I purchased a new colony of asf 3 females and one male and my three females killed the male I do have one that just gave birth but now I’m out a breeder male what is your advice on what to do should I wait till the babies are able to be on there own and create new colony out of that and feed the adult females to my ball pythons I’m just new and trying to figure it out
Would you suggest me trying get my ball pythons on asfs instead of normal rats? Also if so I live in south wales so hard to find anyone who sells asfs if you know anyone who sells them in uk and south wales...
Great video, do you not heat the AFS Shed?
No but maybe towards the winter I will
Do your ball pythons produce a lot of eggs on the asfs ?
I average 8 eggs per clutch, but very few slugs and very few bad eggs
@@Balls2U nice thx for the reply just bought 2 pairs yesterday hopefully they start producing a lot
Awesome knowledge bud thanks, my misses says can you send pictute of her enchi thanks bud
Remind me tomorrow mate 😂👍🏼
Hi bud thanks, like a kid waiting for my babies lol
Hi Balls2u. Can I ask your opinion please.
I have a male BP 3.5 years old brought him from a baby. He lives in a 3.10 × 2 ft vivarium with two main hides one at each end of vivarium with one end being the hot end. His also has various little bits to hide in throughout vivarium. Now for the question hehe.
In the last year or so I have selected to wait until I can see his predator instinct (me and my wife call it pouncy, like he is ready for a prey to walk bye) before I feed him. This could be anything from 4 - 8 weeks sometimes more. I also like for him to pass his last meal before I will feed him again.
Looking at your video above I would say his a good weight, looks healthy to my inexperienced knowledge 🤦♂️
But I'm I doing the right thing? Should I in fact offer him more regularly?
The current way I feed him, he always takes the medium size rat.
However after 1-3 days after first meal he is pouncy again & basically takes two medium size rats per meal
And then like I mentioned I wait for the next pouncy look which can be as long as 8 weeks or more.
Thanks, love your content FYI
Hi m8 .do u recommend a specific company online for asf rats.
I just got into asf and u got them from a show there was 5 males and 10 females! Should I keep them together or is splitting them up better?
I hate feeding frozen thawed. I think it’s just disgusting. I noticed when I fed frozen thawed rodents my snakes would refuse or go off food all together. I’ve never tried asf’s. Maybe I’ll give them a go. Thanks Gavin
Mason R I feed some of my snakes pre-killed and my other snakes take live. I don’t like f/t cause it smells bad and it takes hours just to feed a few snakes.
Could u recommend a good Rodent rack plz. Just ordered my Herp Xotic racks after I see them in your last video 👍👍
Why are they called multi’s in the U.K.?
A very late response its because they have a lot more mammary glands than other mice/rat type things. It comes from the name multimammate
My only issue with asf is that they grow slow. It's hard for me to breed them consistently to an adult weight to feed my larger snakes. I try to only feed my holdback males, some females asf. I transition them at a certain weight to normal rats because it's cheaper to buy and feed over their entire growth span.
wish I could but they're illegal in California..
Cat food is amazing for them time to time as well. The asfs I mean
I feed mine mainly multis she is a picky feeder, ive tried the stubborn route of feeding just common rats but she refuses. So now i mix it up to keep her feeding but i find multis expensive, do you sell or is it breed to just feed? But she LOVES multis for sure!
As you can tell i wrote this part way through the video, i normally get mine from swell
I will be breeding kings, milks. You make a really good point about ball ps. eating there natural prey! So it makes me want to research my group of kings, milks on what type of rodents they eat in there natural setting. So thanx for your food for thought, pun intended, lol. Sometimes some of my Mexicanas won't take mice. So will def. research this!
Hey Gavin, Maybe I missed it but what rack is being used with the rodent lab tub / cages in this video? Thanks in advance!
Hi, I'm not sure of the model tbh sorry
@@Balls2U thank you for the reply. Ill have to make something homemade then!
Its illegal to feed live in the uk ..
Do you work full time as well ?
also do you need to heat the rodent shed in the winter ?
Where can I find these rats? F/T won’t work cause my snakes will only take live.
There is no ASF back in Indonesia😰
Hi, any tips on Royals on hunger strike? He weighs 1450g now lost 200g since November which is last time he ate, is this normal over winter? Being breeding season and all?? Thanks
Het Gavin, I’m seeming to run into some trouble bc the African soft furs , I only have a 100sq ft room so I’ve been breeding my own rodents in the same room as my snakes for a few years now, not really having any troubles, but some of my snakes just stopped eating once I brought some ASF rats in the room that I’m starting a colony with, have you ever had any trouble bc the smell of the ASF when you were feeding your snakes both normal rats and ASF RATS?
No problems
I have had similar issues. I breed asf because of the mild smell but also feed ft normal rats. Some of my snakes tend to not want to eat consistently and have had similar thoughts. They may smell the asf and want that source. Maybe its like smelling the char grill of Burger king all day and having to settle for something less haha
A couple of my Ball Pythons have issues feeding consistently without ASF rats anywhere on the premises.
I'd like to keep mine in my garage but have been told they don't like the cold. Do you heat your shed or are they ok without any?
Not at then moment but I will be insulating it towards this coming winter.... They like around 70f heat
I have heard they don't like or do well in the cold as well, being from Africa that makes sense. However, I picked up a trio of ASFs a couple months ago at about 10 weeks old. It's been between 40-55⁰ F in my garage and they had their first litter of 10 a week ago. Just a data point for you.
Where would you buy Asf in the uk/Birmingham area
Check out Ridgeway on Facebook 👍🏼 they deliver
@@Balls2U ridgeway exotics
I had bred my female on January 3rd and I’m kinda lost now. Idk what I’m supposed to see by now also should I feed her more often since she should be building eggs ? Any help from anyone would be appreciated
Check out my video on female breeding cycle
Balls2U do you think I could feed young rabbits to a ball python ? Just a thought I’ve been having for a while now since we can’t have any asf rats here
can i give my 900 gr ballpyton a adult asf?
Yes 👍🏼
@@Balls2U when do you give them 2 asf? only bij breeding females or heavy females?
Asf aren't in the wild in Africa they are an African lab rat, this is coming from the locals in Africa
I know this video is old one but still relevant for those to know if coming across this video
It is found in Africa south of the Sahara. Six different genetic groups can be distinguished in different regions: one in western Africa, one in central Africa, one in southern Africa and three in eastern Africa.
@@Balls2U dav Kaufman latest videos of ball pythons in the wild he asked the locals if they ever heard of asfs or multis and showed them a photo and they'd never heard of them ever - ruclips.net/video/iwHbJ2nibYs/видео.html
Do you have any links to ones found in the wild etc ? Be interesting to read up on different reports of this
@@peterclarke666 dav is a good friend of mine and I've seen the video.... I don't believe the subject was covered in great detail and the language barrier and editing seem to show this.... I will send you a link to the info.... also I have e friends over there that say they see them a lot
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_multimammate_mouse
Can asf rats spread diseases to u like the urine from the asf spread a virus to u or something
Any urine from any animal can carry viruses 🤷🏼♂️
@@Balls2U how do I avoid it and what diseases can they spread to humans
Cause I want to start breedin asfs
First off... Washing hands after every animal encounter is advised and don't drink the urine.... Simple really
@@Balls2U nice thank u I thought maybe inhaling the dirty bedding can also get u sick cause when your changing it a load of dust flys up
Can you provide the dimensions on the rat cage you are using please, thanks
Have you ever composted your rodent clean out contents? I just came across this gem! www.theland.com.au/story/3463451/mouse-poo-profit-nothing-to-sniff-at/
ASF rats are not the natural food source of the Ball Python. Their native ranges don't overlap, ASFs are native to Southern Africa, Balls Western and Central. They may be closer to their natural food source, but a Ball Python would almost never encounter the ASFs we feed in captivity in the wild.
Six different genetic groups can be distinguished in different regions: one in western Africa, one in central Africa, one in southern Africa and three in eastern Africa.... the ASF we have in Captivity is a mixture of 2 of the groups found in the wild including the central ASF..... making them a 'natural food source'
Thanks for watching 👍
Then Kusko uses regular rats judging by the 💩.
Some states ban ASF's
That's a lie people in Africa have never heard of asfs they actually come from labs in South Africa but they arnt out in wild