I have wondered, publicly on twitter, whether the custom of druids is something first unique to insular celts and later adopted by Gauls. The Romans talk of Britain as the druidic centre for Celtic culture, which is odd - why not the continent? It is possible Druidry was actually a pre-celtic custom from the British isles otherwise why wasn't it attested among the Galatians, balkan celts, italic celts etc?
It could very well be due to the sacred groves in Britain, particularly the ones in Anglesey. That island was said to be a sacred place for Druidism, hence why it was laid to ruin by the Romans. Why not the continent? Well, not entirely sure, but it’s possible that the island afforded certain securities one wouldn’t get on the continent. Just speculation on my part, though.
I'd have to re-read Peter Berresford Ellis' book "The Druids" - but as far as I understand, both druids and brahmins are based on the same ancient culture (?) - you know... Indo-Europeans? And I think, he also argues, that all celtic tribes had druids. But for that, I seriously would have to re-read his book since it's seriously full of information.
Good video. Unetice was itself as much derived from Corded ware as from eastern bell beaker people. The Dutch beaker folk are the main ones that went to Britain and ireland, and the maritime beakers also. No doubt some more easterly people went too since we have samples from stonehenge which plot more like German corded ware people than like Eastern bell beakers or dutch bell beakers. The presence of Cornish gold or tin anywhere doesn't prove a mutually intelligible language since cornish tin shows up in the bronze age levant even. I don't think North Bell Beakers would have that close culturally to Unetice people - but that Celtic languages arrived with the iron age and that the use of iron in europe was spread by and pioneered by the celts - which is why the germanic word for iron is a celtic loan word. Obviously I need more evidence to prove or disprove my theory, but we need to wait for that
evansdrad The celtic nationalist They weren’t Celts they were Bell Beakers. The Celts came to Britain in the Late Bronze and Iron Age. As evident by DNA they mixed with the British Beakers although genetically they were the same: eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-hallstatt-effect.html?m=1
evansdrad The celtic nationalist Yes, but the people living in the Western Europe before the Celts were the Bell Beakers. The Celts didn’t go on a rampage on them the Beakers went on a rampage against the pre-Indo-Euroepans
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist the BBC takeover resulted in over 90% population change, whereas the celtic one seems to be more like a 10% change but that isn't really confirmed properly yet
Gaels were there first, Celtic Q group from tumulus, they are more likely fromIberian peninusla , like Castille and Leon same dolmens, same deities ie Cailleach, more similarity in language
For travel fans: Unetice is a very neat little village a few miles north of Prague. Definitely worth giving a shot when visiting Czechia. You wont see any bronze age architecture anymore but the local microbrewery ballances that off.
In the Czech Republic only Hallstatt culture and La Tene culture are associated with Celts, i learned from this video there is no relation to Irish people, who separated much earlier.
You have NAILED IT. I have long thought there must have been an Indo-European spread to Ireland and other areas of the West before the Celtic languages came to dominate. The narrative you weave matches the evidence from many disciplines and is highly nuanced, seeming altogether reasonable. Bravo.
This is an extremely interesting video about a topic which needs a lot more attention and discussion. I look forward to you revisiting it in the future, some sunny day.
Quite True with facts like this proto celtic history it's like Modern Spain doesn't really know its own prehistoric years, lots of modern people just guess its experiences.
i always wondered if the battle of Tollense is the origin of the Germanic myths of the Vanir and Aesir war. the amount of people involved in that battle is enormous compared with the total population of northern europe at that time, a good chunk of the total population died in that battle. this battle was simply too big too not have left a trace of it in (proto)Germanic/Celtic legends and myths, especially in a warrior focused culture.
Read "The Oera Linda". The Vanir were the Old Frisians. The Aesir were their biggest foes, who the Frisians called "Finns" or the admixture of the two groups.
@@chrisnewbury3793 wasnt the oera linda proven to be a hoax for use as a holy book for a new age religion shortly after it was first published in the 1900s?
@@Rynewulf proven by whom and where? I've studied history, language, and mythology voraciously my entire life. And I've studied The Oera Linda for more than a decade. I'm still open-minded, but as of this date, I've yet to see one, even remotely credible rebuttal of it's authenticity. The only people willing to criticize it always seem to be those who haven't read it, but looked up the Wiki entry.
@robertolang9684 Well that's odd considering the Romans and Greeks etc described the Celts as being very fair skinned and often red and blonde headed..which is of course more of a thing among those you are calling "imposters" than the ones you claim are more authentic Celts
Interesting content man, keep up the good work. The confirmation of the Italic peoples connection to the Tumulus/Urnfield people via DNA studies puts the relation of Rome to the Celts in a somewhat different light insofar as they were close cousins rather than total aliens to one another. While obviously they were different peoples by the time of their historic interaction and warfare with each other and Rome was responsible for the destruction of much of the Celtic world, in some sense the Roman conquest seems almost like a later reunification of a once common stock. This in turn is interesting to consider when observing Gallo-Roman religion and related cultural hybrids and the role the same culture would play after being absorbed by the Franks in essentially producing mainstream medieval Western civilization. Perhaps then the Frankish claims and later Western European self-image of being the direct successors to Roman antiquity is even more sensible with this added genetic and historic/linguistic connection.
I am mainly of North Italian ancestry, which would be Cisalpine Gaul. So this would be like a mix between many populations, but basically Gauls and Romans (Celts and Italics). I took a DNA test one year ago and put it on MyTrueAncestry (my favourite DNA site btw). It says my closest ancient populations are Gaul+Roman Hispania at 4.2 points of distance/ Gaul+Roman at 5 points of distance. There is a calculator called Ancient k13 on Vahaduo and it puts me close to Bronze Age Hungary (which would be the Tumulus Culture when the Italo-Celtic group existed), Germany, Czech and Switzerland Bell Beakers, the Protovillanova (when Italics separated from Celts), Gallo-Romans and at 10 points of distance from SZ45 (a Gaul in the Longobard culture period). I couldn't agree more with your comment. "A later reunification of a once common stock" If you look at my DNA it's almost like I never went much further from the Tumulus culture, and there still are researchers and scholars saying that the Italo-Celtic branch is just "hypothetical".
Nitpick: the name Danu is old. It means river in Scythian and it is a god in the vedas, so I guess that the name can have many origins. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_(Asura)
The origin of the that name, the name of the Irish goddess, and Danube all derive from PIE *dānu. Saying they "can have many origins" is meaningless because they all come from the same origin linguistically speaking. The Scythians did not give the name to that river as seems to be implied by the first link you give. It is an independently evolved word from a shared linguistic heritage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube#Names_and_etymology
Also, 'aner' means 'ancestry', 'ancestors' in Norwegian, and the letter d comes from Greek delta, another word for estuary (where soil tends to heap up - in some salmon rivers, you can sometimes pick fish from off the ground if you're fast).
Survive the Jive I’m not sure but I believe gaulish is closer to British celtic, the Romans seemed to think so, and so to does the evidence of pre Roman British celtic that we do have. The reason welsh and gaelic shares so much grammar is because of the sprachbund effect, similar to why Greek and south slavic share many grammar features.
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist I have seen some linguists speculate that it was long before 100BC - closer to 1000BC. This shows how no one really knows yet!
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist Well the linguists all agreed PIE was spoken over 8000 years ago, some said closer to 10, but then genetic evidence came and now we can know a lot that we could not know before. 8000 years ago still works for PIE but since we know it mostly diversified in europe, it can't have done so until much more recently - i think this might push all the subsequent diversifications n europe closer to the present also
@Survive the Jive: It was before the surge of the Urnfield Culture in Central Europe, since during Urnfield appears the Gallo-Brythonic (P-Celtic) variant of the Celtic Language. You can read this here (in French): Amazon.fr - La Civilisation camunienne du Val Camonica, une émanation hyperboréenne disparue et oubliée: Camunien, Phénicien & Runes nordiques, Graphèmes & Haplogroupes - Elisa de VAUGÜE - Livres Or in my corresponding (long) reply to the video: «Why Britain remained Celtic while Gaul latinized» by Fortress of Lug. It's one of the 28 replies to user «Celt of Canaan Esurix». Cheers!
In Slovakia Lusatian culture survived all the way to 300 BC when it formed what is called Puchov culture which was Lusatian substrate with significant Celtic admixture and in this form it existed all the way to cca 180 BC (turmoil caused by Marcomanni wars was too much and all their fortified cities were destroyed or abandoned).
I live in the Netherlands in the province of Limburg. In The near where i live are those urn fields. And it is from that age. I loved your documentary👍👍😃😃
What if the urnfield were proto p-celts while the Bronze Age Atlantic were prot q-celts? Also I’ve heard that the Romans said the druids originated in Britain. If this were the case perhaps the native British bell beakers influenced the continental urnfields that way
@@skeleton2082 the similarity? Irish and Welsh are themselves more distant from each other than any two slavic, any two germanic or any two italic languages are from each other, and only the Indo-Iranian group has such distant branches anymore
I think the steppes of Eurasia have had a loosely connected culture ever since the first humans learned to ride horses there, with different migrations going east and west within the original family group at different times in history. One major (continuous) migration eastward would surely be the flooding of the north sea, and a major migration westward would surely be the intrusion of chinese and mongolians into the steppe-areas largely controlled by ice-age ("caucasoid") herders before others learned the mounted way of life. The Yamnaya or black sea area looks like the native land of indo-europeans simply because it has received waves of migrants both from the western edge and eastern edge of the cultural steppe family. But in reality, it is as a whole native to the entire "horse-steppes" of eurasia because they were the first ones to properly navigate and defend it,- with a transportation method that would stand unmatched for hundreds or even thousands of years compared to surrounding peoples. Basically, Tolkiens Rohan is a proper depiction of the steppe-history.
Nice video. Note that you can only mine bronze and tin in a few places in Europe, so the countries without bronze would have to trade to get metal. This lead to an age with long scale trade.
the language of the early Neolithic farmer peoples that migrated into Europe proper from Anatolian roots is a non-Indo-European language and so is of much curiosity to me. The language isnt known but did exist for a long period of time, and I wonder if the Rhaetian folk spoke it or a remnant of it although northern parts of Rhaetian became "Celtified" thru proximity to the early Celtic/proto-Celtic peoples to their north
Could it be related or a proto semetic.....given where the farmers originated. I know they split from Turkey in 9000bc so proto proto semitic. The thought that they built gobekli teppe then split half going to the fertile cresent in the south and half spread north to Europe is quite fascinating
@@mkworkgroupis1739 not likely as the DNA isnt Semetic, being that far in the past it really is difficult to say. The Anatolian Hunter Gatherers that adapted and became the Neolithic Farmer were an interesting people to me, also the region of what is today western Turkey etc.
It Could interest You to know that Rhaetian was an akkadic language and that the Rhaetians disembarked with family, animals, tools ( like the plovium Rhaetorum mentioned by Plinius priscus ( Nat.Hist X VIII 18) near the estuary of the Athesis (it. Adige) river, in search of tin , around 2000 before Christ. They founded Este, dedicated to their godesses Estu and Reitu ,and prospected the hydrologic bassin of the Atesis, finding copper but no tin. With the immigration of Etruscan and later Celts, the Rhaeti were displaced to later Rhaetia province .Traces of the rhaetic plough have been found in Chur/ Welschdörfli and Castaneda ( Bregalia) and dated to the Neolitic period. The Rhaetian were polytheists and their principal god was KASTOR figured on a horse in bronze artefacts. The Rhaeti left ~ 200 inscriptions in an etruscan alphabet ( Arch.Museum Innsbruck) that permitted the paleolinguist Linus Brunner to discover the akkadian origin of their language - also no "etruscan language corrupted by the cold temperatures of the mountains " (Titus Livius).An ex voto found in the rhaetian sacrarium of Rusonch by Scuol ( Engiadina bassa) says: ATUKU RITI UNBIU that means atuku 1sth person sing of the perfective of ata : to have accomplished a gift RIT-l to my RITU ( possessive postclitic -I) UNBIU plural of ENAB : fruit I ACCOMPLISHED THE GIFT TO RITU- MY ( OF) FRUITS. Helvetia archaeologica 1966 with photograph of the Hirschhorn with the inscription. This discovery of Linus Brunner permitted the traduction of various rhaetic toponyms like ROSHKOPF ,a stone ressembling a human head from akk ROSH : head with its german traduction KOPF. See: Linus BRUNNER, Alfred TOTH: Die rhätische Sprache enträtzelt.Kulturamt St Gallen. 1987.
Ust-Isham is a 45,000 year old archaic person and I match him DNA wise as closely as I do my paper trail archaic matches. Since my DNA seems to come from the red haired/green eyed variety I am wondering if he is an ancestor of the Celts.
Irish sources, one of which identifies Danu as Morigan. There is much to say on this. Some has been revealed recently on the Patreon site and I will be writing a book next year that will be able to answer this.
This is the expansion of Indo-European race only? This is before Celtic expansion from Austro- Hallstatt region? As the genetic migration of Celts has been shown to be other wise. Why is there a variance between language dispersion and genetic dispersion?
I dont know if you're right or wrong but I dont find the 'timeline-pushed-back' conclusion demonstrated adequately in this short video. Probably too many questions and too little time to answer them all,
I don't know if I asked this before I may of forgot so sorry if I asked this before but what happened to your Bell-beaker video, deleted it, unlisted it or privated it?
Hi there! Hey I am trying to find Celtic deities for Wales. Would it be the same main gods for the Welsh as it would for Ireland? Is there a book on Breton pre roman Gods?
@@Mrcool12684yes and no. It's a difference between brythonic and gaelic people/language. It's why Irish and Welsh aren't mutually intelligible at all, different branches of Celtic.
Celts we're absolutely chariot users. The word Chariot is a Latin borrowing from Celtic. They went out of use by the period of the late Roman Republic in Gaul but we're still extensively used in Britain and Ireland. Caesar had to deal with an entire chariot army in Britain
@@JosePereira-qk8px from area called Luzyce or Lausitz in german language, Germans claim it was a proto germanic cultire, Slavs claim it was a proto slavic culture, in my opinion none of them, proto germanics were still in Scandinavia and proto Slavs somewhere in Dniepr river area
Very interesting. It explains a lot of my heritage. I'm mostly Scots-Irish and Insular Celt with some German heritage and heritage from what used to be Gaul. I also have some Greek-Roman DNA along with DNA from the area of the Black Sea, Afghanistan/Mongolia. I wonder if my western European DNA might be a reflection of the journeys of the Celts.
Can you share some references for your claims on language? Specifically, you claim that Insular Celtic replaced an existing Indo-European language, and that this unknown Indo-European language expressed the grammatical structure of a non-Indo-European substrate (SVO). This is fascinating and it would be nice to read up on. Please consider adding references to your videos so we can read up and the claims made. Cheers.
I believe the VSO word order and some other attributes of insular celtic are theorized to be from a previous language rather than known to be. A change like that can happen internally without influence from an outside language or as a result of people learning it as a second language and applying their native grammar to their newly adopted language (this can also be the cause of some sound shifts). I think proto-indo-european is theorized to use VSO for certain sentence types, but with SOV as it's default word order.
@@Liethen Thanks. I also understand some linguists believe that it is feasible that a Basque-related language was spoken on the Isles or some other unknown language too. However, I think that it is very likely the Beaker Folk brought an Indo-European tongue. I think the content creator should share his sources as he is making claims without really providing context for them. It would be nice to chase up his sources.
Like the Anglo-Saxons the Urnfield migration also changed some of the genetics: eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-hallstatt-effect.html ( I have a theory that the British Beakers spoke an Indo-European language very similar to Italo-Celtic so when Urnfield Celts conquered the Isles it was very easy for British Beakers to switch languages.)
Interesting, but it makes sense. If they were speaking a somewhat Italo-Celtic, then Urnfield would be more of an evolution, not a completely new language.
No ! The " proto" Celtic trick does not. function.Hallstattians are not r1b They discovered immense salt reserves around 5000 before JC, long, very long BEFORE the intrusion of indoeuropean hordes !
This is a good documentary, with only one complaint. The letter "C" ia always pronounced as tz in Slavic languages. Never as "K". So, Unetice is really Unetitze. And, Un E tice. Not Unet I ce. And it's plural. We just made everything easier. I see most Anglo-Saxon speaking narrators have a problem with this.
It's bizarre, the Protovillanova is the one derived from the Urnfield culture, and it would be when Italics separated from Celts. The Villanova, which was parallel to Hallstatt, was the one to give birth to Etruscans. But it seems that after that, either they suffered an orientalization from Anatolia or the Etruscans themselves were people coming from Anatolia and mixed with Villanovan Italics
Quite interesting what is suggested at the very beginning of the video, about Western Europe sharing one mutually intelligible language, and even with discernible "free-trade" style characteristics (raw materials from Cornwall used in Eastern Europe) all the way back in 2000 BC. If one was inclined towards irony it almost seems like a proto-EU (but actually run by Europeans instead of, foreign elites)
So you're saying some of those great blacksmiths back in the days who could wields iron and caress its soul solarcore falling from the Stars to make a great arm for a king
The indo-european languages surely originate in Europe. There you find a great diversity of indo-european language families. Like germanic, celtic, italic, greek, slavic, baltic, ilyric. In other indo-european areas there are only one language family, indo-aryan in India and iranian in Iran. The russian steppes also have no diversity. It shows that the language is the oldest in Europe, and has developed for 1000's or maybe 10,000's of years. But some lying bastards want primitive people from Asia and Africa to migrate to Europe, and have invented the lie that everything comes from outside Europe. But archaeology in Scandinavia shows continuity and coexistence. That is the truth.
@Werner D C'mon the bla bla blab bla and the Y haplo bla blabber surely bla bla bl blab. The scientists has found a way to talk down to people with uncertain scientific data. that normal people cant talk back against. I would like to know: If you have a 5000 years old DNA string. How many cosmic rays have hit that string in that long time?
Celts from Anatolia north of Syria … they were Hittites and Syrians … migrated to Europe after the bronze age civilization collapsed They were not from Europe at all
Misinformation, new information has come to light. The gauls went from the west 🏴 The think thank and hq was britain. The gauls were also in asia minor. The west european dialect was a very early language. Duw word for god, early indo european sky daddy word. Heddwch â bach Cymru am byth
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I have wondered, publicly on twitter, whether the custom of druids is something first unique to insular celts and later adopted by Gauls. The Romans talk of Britain as the druidic centre for Celtic culture, which is odd - why not the continent? It is possible Druidry was actually a pre-celtic custom from the British isles otherwise why wasn't it attested among the Galatians, balkan celts, italic celts etc?
Excellent question tom
It could very well be due to the sacred groves in Britain, particularly the ones in Anglesey. That island was said to be a sacred place for Druidism, hence why it was laid to ruin by the Romans. Why not the continent? Well, not entirely sure, but it’s possible that the island afforded certain securities one wouldn’t get on the continent. Just speculation on my part, though.
Caesar did mention in his de Bello Gallico that they completed their training in Britain.
I'd have to re-read Peter Berresford Ellis' book "The Druids" - but as far as I understand, both druids and brahmins are based on the same ancient culture (?) - you know... Indo-Europeans? And I think, he also argues, that all celtic tribes had druids. But for that, I seriously would have to re-read his book since it's seriously full of information.
@A no not the megalith culture.
Good video. Unetice was itself as much derived from Corded ware as from eastern bell beaker people. The Dutch beaker folk are the main ones that went to Britain and ireland, and the maritime beakers also. No doubt some more easterly people went too since we have samples from stonehenge which plot more like German corded ware people than like Eastern bell beakers or dutch bell beakers. The presence of Cornish gold or tin anywhere doesn't prove a mutually intelligible language since cornish tin shows up in the bronze age levant even. I don't think North Bell Beakers would have that close culturally to Unetice people - but that Celtic languages arrived with the iron age and that the use of iron in europe was spread by and pioneered by the celts - which is why the germanic word for iron is a celtic loan word. Obviously I need more evidence to prove or disprove my theory, but we need to wait for that
evansdrad The celtic nationalist They weren’t Celts they were Bell Beakers. The Celts came to Britain in the Late Bronze and Iron Age. As evident by DNA they mixed with the British Beakers although genetically they were the same: eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-hallstatt-effect.html?m=1
evansdrad The celtic nationalist Yes, but the people living in the Western Europe before the Celts were the Bell Beakers. The Celts didn’t go on a rampage on them the Beakers went on a rampage against the pre-Indo-Euroepans
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist the BBC takeover resulted in over 90% population change, whereas the celtic one seems to be more like a 10% change but that isn't really confirmed properly yet
@Survive the Jive:
Sure, Celtic lsarnon gave Germanic lsen, later on Eisen.
But the Celtic languages were already there during the Bronze Age.
Gaels were there first, Celtic Q group from tumulus, they are more likely fromIberian peninusla , like Castille and Leon same dolmens, same deities ie Cailleach, more similarity in language
For travel fans: Unetice is a very neat little village a few miles north of Prague. Definitely worth giving a shot when visiting Czechia. You wont see any bronze age architecture anymore but the local microbrewery ballances that off.
In the Czech Republic only Hallstatt culture and La Tene culture are associated with Celts, i learned from this video there is no relation to Irish people, who separated much earlier.
You have NAILED IT. I have long thought there must have been an Indo-European spread to Ireland and other areas of the West before the Celtic languages came to dominate. The narrative you weave matches the evidence from many disciplines and is highly nuanced, seeming altogether reasonable. Bravo.
If only we could speak with the trees, imagine the stuff they’d tell us. Great video.
Imagine all the religious knowledge we would have... if only...
Evergreen: "I'm cold."
Conifer: "I'm horny."
Evergreen: "You prick!"
Conifer: "My nuts dropped"
Evergreen: "Mine too probably"
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LN ---- Speak for yourself! Trees talk to me, and I speak back.
This is an extremely interesting video about a topic which needs a lot more attention and discussion.
I look forward to you revisiting it in the future, some sunny day.
Quite True with facts like this proto celtic history it's like Modern Spain doesn't really know its own prehistoric years, lots of modern people just guess its experiences.
Recommend speeding up to 1.25 playback for best listening.
i always wondered if the battle of Tollense is the origin of the Germanic myths of the Vanir and Aesir war. the amount of people involved in that battle is enormous compared with the total population of northern europe at that time, a good chunk of the total population died in that battle. this battle was simply too big too not have left a trace of it in (proto)Germanic/Celtic legends and myths, especially in a warrior focused culture.
Read "The Oera Linda". The Vanir were the Old Frisians. The Aesir were their biggest foes, who the Frisians called "Finns" or the admixture of the two groups.
@@chrisnewbury3793 wasnt the oera linda proven to be a hoax for use as a holy book for a new age religion shortly after it was first published in the 1900s?
@@Rynewulf proven by whom and where? I've studied history, language, and mythology voraciously my entire life. And I've studied The Oera Linda for more than a decade.
I'm still open-minded, but as of this date, I've yet to see one, even remotely credible rebuttal of it's authenticity. The only people willing to criticize it always seem to be those who haven't read it, but looked up the Wiki entry.
@robertolang9684 Well that's odd considering the Romans and Greeks etc described the Celts as being very fair skinned and often red and blonde headed..which is of course more of a thing among those you are calling "imposters" than the ones you claim are more authentic Celts
Interesting content man, keep up the good work.
The confirmation of the Italic peoples connection to the Tumulus/Urnfield people via DNA studies puts the relation of Rome to the Celts in a somewhat different light insofar as they were close cousins rather than total aliens to one another. While obviously they were different peoples by the time of their historic interaction and warfare with each other and Rome was responsible for the destruction of much of the Celtic world, in some sense the Roman conquest seems almost like a later reunification of a once common stock. This in turn is interesting to consider when observing Gallo-Roman religion and related cultural hybrids and the role the same culture would play after being absorbed by the Franks in essentially producing mainstream medieval Western civilization. Perhaps then the Frankish claims and later Western European self-image of being the direct successors to Roman antiquity is even more sensible with this added genetic and historic/linguistic connection.
I am mainly of North Italian ancestry, which would be Cisalpine Gaul. So this would be like a mix between many populations, but basically Gauls and Romans (Celts and Italics).
I took a DNA test one year ago and put it on MyTrueAncestry (my favourite DNA site btw). It says my closest ancient populations are Gaul+Roman Hispania at 4.2 points of distance/ Gaul+Roman at 5 points of distance.
There is a calculator called Ancient k13 on Vahaduo and it puts me close to Bronze Age Hungary (which would be the Tumulus Culture when the Italo-Celtic group existed), Germany, Czech and Switzerland Bell Beakers, the Protovillanova (when Italics separated from Celts), Gallo-Romans and at 10 points of distance from SZ45 (a Gaul in the Longobard culture period).
I couldn't agree more with your comment. "A later reunification of a once common stock"
If you look at my DNA it's almost like I never went much further from the Tumulus culture, and there still are researchers and scholars saying that the Italo-Celtic branch is just "hypothetical".
The pure Italic is urnfield, however most modern Italians are not Urnfield.
How to find the historical map showing the distribution of different cultures like the one in the beginning of the video? 😭 I can't find such maps.
Nitpick: the name Danu is old. It means river in Scythian and it is a god in the vedas, so I guess that the name can have many origins.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danu_(Asura)
The origin of the that name, the name of the Irish goddess, and Danube all derive from PIE *dānu. Saying they "can have many origins" is meaningless because they all come from the same origin linguistically speaking. The Scythians did not give the name to that river as seems to be implied by the first link you give. It is an independently evolved word from a shared linguistic heritage. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danube#Names_and_etymology
Virita could mean care-free man in Latin.
I think Danu means "drowned", "dammed" or "Watery", sharing roots with dwr (water) and PoseiDON.
Also, 'aner' means 'ancestry', 'ancestors' in Norwegian, and the letter d comes from Greek delta, another word for estuary (where soil tends to heap up - in some salmon rivers, you can sometimes pick fish from off the ground if you're fast).
In Europe, I think alm is the most common word, and it's also a Norwegian word for the elm tree, which is hardwood, but easier to shape than oak.
When is the split of Goidelic and Brythonnic thought to have occurred?
Survive the Jive I’m not sure but I believe gaulish is closer to British celtic, the Romans seemed to think so, and so to does the evidence of pre Roman British celtic that we do have. The reason welsh and gaelic shares so much grammar is because of the sprachbund effect, similar to why Greek and south slavic share many grammar features.
Gaelic is more archaic and probably split from urnfield/early hallstatt, Brythonic and Gaulish a bit later on in La Téne.
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist I have seen some linguists speculate that it was long before 100BC - closer to 1000BC. This shows how no one really knows yet!
@evansdrad The celtic nationalist Well the linguists all agreed PIE was spoken over 8000 years ago, some said closer to 10, but then genetic evidence came and now we can know a lot that we could not know before. 8000 years ago still works for PIE but since we know it mostly diversified in europe, it can't have done so until much more recently - i think this might push all the subsequent diversifications n europe closer to the present also
@Survive the Jive: It was before the surge of the Urnfield Culture in Central Europe, since during Urnfield appears the Gallo-Brythonic (P-Celtic) variant of the Celtic Language.
You can read this here (in French):
Amazon.fr - La Civilisation camunienne du Val Camonica, une émanation hyperboréenne disparue et oubliée: Camunien, Phénicien & Runes nordiques, Graphèmes & Haplogroupes - Elisa de VAUGÜE - Livres
Or in my corresponding (long) reply to the video: «Why Britain remained Celtic while Gaul latinized» by Fortress of Lug.
It's one of the 28 replies to user «Celt of Canaan Esurix».
Cheers!
In Slovakia Lusatian culture survived all the way to 300 BC when it formed what is called Puchov culture which was Lusatian substrate with significant Celtic admixture and in this form it existed all the way to cca 180 BC (turmoil caused by Marcomanni wars was too much and all their fortified cities were destroyed or abandoned).
I live in the Netherlands in the province of Limburg. In The near where i live are those urn fields.
And it is from that age.
I loved your documentary👍👍😃😃
I always enjoy learning more about Celtic knowledge
What if the urnfield were proto p-celts while the Bronze Age Atlantic were prot q-celts? Also I’ve heard that the Romans said the druids originated in Britain. If this were the case perhaps the native British bell beakers influenced the continental urnfields that way
Celt of Canaan Esurix Looking at the similarity between Celtic languages it seems unlikely that Celtic would be that old.
@@skeleton2082 the similarity? Irish and Welsh are themselves more distant from each other than any two slavic, any two germanic or any two italic languages are from each other, and only the Indo-Iranian group has such distant branches anymore
Drui is a gaelic word, I would agree, also Gaelic is celtic Q
Indo-Europeans taking control of Europe: Look at all these loot and EXP we got homies
I think the steppes of Eurasia have had a loosely connected culture ever since the first humans learned to ride horses there, with different migrations going east and west within the original family group at different times in history.
One major (continuous) migration eastward would surely be the flooding of the north sea, and a major migration westward would surely be the intrusion of chinese and mongolians into the steppe-areas largely controlled by ice-age ("caucasoid") herders before others learned the mounted way of life.
The Yamnaya or black sea area looks like the native land of indo-europeans simply because it has received waves of migrants both from the western edge and eastern edge of the cultural steppe family.
But in reality, it is as a whole native to the entire "horse-steppes" of eurasia because they were the first ones to properly navigate and defend it,- with a transportation method that would stand unmatched for hundreds or even thousands of years compared to surrounding peoples.
Basically, Tolkiens Rohan is a proper depiction of the steppe-history.
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Nice video. Note that you can only mine bronze and tin in a few places in Europe, so the countries without bronze would have to trade to get metal. This lead to an age with long scale trade.
More and more evidence of long distance trading going way back long before what was currently believed
Those mines were controlled by Frisian/Germanic tribes, that sent outcasts to Britain to "work the tin mines".
I like the skyrim music in the back very nice.
Many greetings for send this amazing video and Such knowledge !!! I love so much to watch and learn with you, Conlaoch 's Well.
I came here after finding I had a Proto-Celt in my wheel chart on MyTrueAncestry. Very informative video. Thanks!!
I would like to know which was the language before the Photo Celts
So if Stonehenge is from ©5000 BC, then that wasn't done by the Celts?
Hey nice video. Balts are actually celts. If you check the dictionary a lot of words are the same, numbers are identical
the language of the early Neolithic farmer peoples that migrated into Europe proper from Anatolian roots is a non-Indo-European language and so is of much curiosity to me. The language isnt known but did exist for a long period of time, and I wonder if the Rhaetian folk spoke it or a remnant of it although northern parts of Rhaetian became "Celtified" thru proximity to the early Celtic/proto-Celtic peoples to their north
Could it be related or a proto semetic.....given where the farmers originated.
I know they split from Turkey in 9000bc so proto proto semitic.
The thought that they built gobekli teppe then split half going to the fertile cresent in the south and half spread north to Europe is quite fascinating
@@mkworkgroupis1739 not likely as the DNA isnt Semetic, being that far in the past it really is difficult to say. The Anatolian Hunter Gatherers that adapted and became the Neolithic Farmer were an interesting people to me, also the region of what is today western Turkey etc.
It Could interest You to know that Rhaetian was an akkadic language and that the Rhaetians disembarked with family, animals, tools ( like the plovium Rhaetorum mentioned by Plinius priscus ( Nat.Hist X VIII 18) near the estuary of the Athesis (it. Adige) river, in search of tin , around 2000 before Christ. They founded Este, dedicated to their godesses Estu and
Reitu ,and prospected the hydrologic bassin of the Atesis, finding copper but no tin.
With the immigration of Etruscan and later Celts, the Rhaeti were displaced to later Rhaetia province .Traces of the rhaetic plough have been found in Chur/ Welschdörfli and Castaneda ( Bregalia) and dated to the Neolitic period. The Rhaetian
were polytheists and their principal god was KASTOR figured on a horse in bronze artefacts. The Rhaeti left ~ 200 inscriptions in an etruscan alphabet ( Arch.Museum Innsbruck) that permitted the paleolinguist Linus Brunner to discover the akkadian origin of their language - also no "etruscan language corrupted by the cold temperatures of the mountains " (Titus Livius).An ex voto found in the rhaetian sacrarium of Rusonch by Scuol ( Engiadina bassa) says:
ATUKU RITI UNBIU
that means
atuku 1sth person sing of the perfective of ata : to have accomplished a gift
RIT-l to my RITU ( possessive postclitic -I)
UNBIU plural of ENAB : fruit
I ACCOMPLISHED THE GIFT TO RITU- MY ( OF) FRUITS.
Helvetia archaeologica 1966 with photograph of the Hirschhorn with the inscription.
This discovery of Linus Brunner permitted the traduction of various rhaetic toponyms like ROSHKOPF ,a stone ressembling a human head from akk ROSH : head with its german traduction KOPF.
See:
Linus BRUNNER, Alfred TOTH: Die rhätische Sprache enträtzelt.Kulturamt St Gallen. 1987.
Ust-Isham is a 45,000 year old archaic person and I match him DNA wise as closely as I do my paper trail archaic matches. Since my DNA seems to come from the red haired/green eyed variety I am wondering if he is an ancestor of the Celts.
Is there any actual proof of danu existing? I can't find any evidence that doesn't come from welsh reconstructions during the revitalization.
Irish sources, one of which identifies Danu as Morigan. There is much to say on this. Some has been revealed recently on the Patreon site and I will be writing a book next year that will be able to answer this.
I love it thanks, this is brilliant
This is the expansion of Indo-European race only?
This is before Celtic expansion from Austro- Hallstatt region?
As the genetic migration of Celts has been shown to be other wise.
Why is there a variance between language dispersion and genetic dispersion?
celts were not from anatolia, though they settled in galatia in Classical period.
I dont know if you're right or wrong but I dont find the 'timeline-pushed-back' conclusion demonstrated adequately in this short video. Probably too many questions and too little time to answer them all,
Can you reccomend some books on the subject?
I don't know if I asked this before I may of forgot so sorry if I asked this before but what happened to your Bell-beaker video, deleted it, unlisted it or privated it?
the skyrim music in the background was the cherry on top :)
Hi there! Hey I am trying to find Celtic deities for Wales. Would it be the same main gods for the Welsh as it would for Ireland? Is there a book on Breton pre roman Gods?
I would think that the Welsh and Irish would be similar...they are like a stones throw away on a boat ride?
@@Mrcool12684yes and no. It's a difference between brythonic and gaelic people/language. It's why Irish and Welsh aren't mutually intelligible at all, different branches of Celtic.
Thank you. Nice infotmation
Fascinating video. Where is the haunting music from?
The last screen, what is number 7?
Urnfield and Tumulus were chariot users right? Celts were not that I recall. Why the change? It was a defining feature of Indo-Euro cultures
Celts we're absolutely chariot users. The word Chariot is a Latin borrowing from Celtic. They went out of use by the period of the late Roman Republic in Gaul but we're still extensively used in Britain and Ireland. Caesar had to deal with an entire chariot army in Britain
Does the name of the Lusatian Culture has the same root of Lusitania, perhaps a god? Is this culture Proto Slav?
Doubtfully, but I am not sure the etymology
No. (Proto)German.
Thanks @@wachtmeisterkrause8194, do you know anything of its etymology?
@@JosePereira-qk8px from area called Luzyce or Lausitz in german language, Germans claim it was a proto germanic cultire, Slavs claim it was a proto slavic culture, in my opinion none of them, proto germanics were still in Scandinavia and proto Slavs somewhere in Dniepr river area
No it comes from slavic Lužica = Wetlands
Your not the only one who knows about stuff like you where talking about in this video of yours
Skyrim ! But you habe to search the song. And you will find other gems durring your research. Good luck !
We were the Men of the Beaker. We was science.
Just heard of these people for the first time today
Very interesting. It explains a lot of my heritage. I'm mostly Scots-Irish and Insular Celt with some German heritage and heritage from what used to be Gaul. I also have some Greek-Roman DNA along with DNA from the area of the Black Sea, Afghanistan/Mongolia. I wonder if my western European DNA might be a reflection of the journeys of the Celts.
Can you share some references for your claims on language? Specifically, you claim that Insular Celtic replaced an existing Indo-European language, and that this unknown Indo-European language expressed the grammatical structure of a non-Indo-European substrate (SVO). This is fascinating and it would be nice to read up on. Please consider adding references to your videos so we can read up and the claims made. Cheers.
I believe the VSO word order and some other attributes of insular celtic are theorized to be from a previous language rather than known to be. A change like that can happen internally without influence from an outside language or as a result of people learning it as a second language and applying their native grammar to their newly adopted language (this can also be the cause of some sound shifts). I think proto-indo-european is theorized to use VSO for certain sentence types, but with SOV as it's default word order.
@@Liethen Thanks. I also understand some linguists believe that it is feasible that a Basque-related language was spoken on the Isles or some other unknown language too. However, I think that it is very likely the Beaker Folk brought an Indo-European tongue. I think the content creator should share his sources as he is making claims without really providing context for them. It would be nice to chase up his sources.
@@wodenravens gaelic
@@rachelLadyD Please form a full sentence so I know what you are saying. It seems you misunderstood my point.
Urnfield weren't Celts, they hadn't even formed yet. Urnfield elite were mostly i2 while Celts who formed later with La Tene were mostly r1b
Good Vídeo
Like the Anglo-Saxons the Urnfield migration also changed some of the genetics: eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-hallstatt-effect.html
( I have a theory that the British Beakers spoke an Indo-European language very similar to Italo-Celtic so when Urnfield Celts conquered the Isles it was very easy for British Beakers to switch languages.)
Interesting, but it makes sense. If they were speaking a somewhat Italo-Celtic, then Urnfield would be more of an evolution, not a completely new language.
Wasn't Halstadt culture a major proto-Celtic group?
No ! The " proto" Celtic trick does not. function.Hallstattians are not r1b They discovered immense salt reserves around 5000 before JC, long, very long BEFORE the intrusion of indoeuropean hordes !
VSO wordorder is also used Poetically. We know about Amergin the Bard.... So no real need for an origin of VSO due to Non-Indo-European influence...
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This is a good documentary, with only one complaint. The letter "C" ia always pronounced as tz in Slavic languages. Never as "K". So, Unetice is really Unetitze.
And, Un E tice. Not Unet I ce. And it's plural. We just made everything easier. I see most Anglo-Saxon speaking narrators have a problem with this.
where do the Etruscans fit in? they are supposed to derive from the Urnfield Culture
It's bizarre, the Protovillanova is the one derived from the Urnfield culture, and it would be when Italics separated from Celts. The Villanova, which was parallel to Hallstatt, was the one to give birth to Etruscans. But it seems that after that, either they suffered an orientalization from Anatolia or the Etruscans themselves were people coming from Anatolia and mixed with Villanovan Italics
The Etruscans were a pre-Indo-European civilization. They are descended from the Early European Farmers.
@roberto lang Okay
Probably adopted local language, like the basques.
What are the differences between the Urnfield and the Lusatian cultures?
Chromosome 16, MC1R "C" Base pairs? Celts too?
how do you know about their language if they didn't write their Celtic language ?
Song?
I love these videos, I'm leanomg somethinng I never learned I'm college; Thank you.
Quite interesting what is suggested at the very beginning of the video, about Western Europe sharing one mutually intelligible language, and even with discernible "free-trade" style characteristics (raw materials from Cornwall used in Eastern Europe) all the way back in 2000 BC.
If one was inclined towards irony it almost seems like a proto-EU (but actually run by Europeans instead of, foreign elites)
That language was old Frisian, per "The Oera Linda".
So you're saying some of those great blacksmiths back in the days who could wields iron and caress its soul solarcore falling from the Stars to make a great arm for a king
The indo-european languages surely originate in Europe. There you find a great diversity of indo-european language families. Like germanic, celtic, italic, greek, slavic, baltic, ilyric. In other indo-european areas there are only one language family, indo-aryan in India and iranian in Iran. The russian steppes also have no diversity. It shows that the language is the oldest in Europe, and has developed for 1000's or maybe 10,000's of years. But some lying bastards want primitive people from Asia and Africa to migrate to Europe, and have invented the lie that everything comes from outside Europe. But archaeology in Scandinavia shows continuity and coexistence. That is the truth.
@Werner D C'mon the bla bla blab bla and the Y haplo bla blabber surely bla bla bl blab. The scientists has found a way to talk down to people with uncertain scientific data. that normal people cant talk back against. I would like to know: If you have a 5000 years old DNA string. How many cosmic rays have hit that string in that long time?
@Werner D It is rare to find a skeleton 6000 years old. How much rare would it be to find DNA on that scientists can use on such a skeleton.
Your instincts are correct, and this is confirmed by "The Oera Linda".
So basically .. We gotta round .. 🤔
But thank you anyway I Learned something today man
I also know about that kind of stuff too there buddy
It's pronounced like oonyetyeetseh not unateekah thanks
Thanks babe~
Věry interesting.
Celts from Anatolia north of Syria … they were Hittites and Syrians … migrated to Europe after the bronze age civilization collapsed
They were not from Europe at all
Establishment of the sanctuary...?
Some ultimate dream of mine,
@@FortressofLugh thank you for the video sir. The subject matter is fascinating. Good luck with your dream.
Why don’t you speak about the gojuguann culture the pure blooded Celtic European warrior Culture
*Vikings* settling in *Gaul?* If you believe that I've got a time machine to sell you. Dirt cheap, only used twice by a little old lady...
Misinformation, new information has come to light.
The gauls went from the west 🏴
The think thank and hq was britain.
The gauls were also in asia minor.
The west european dialect was a very early language. Duw word for god, early indo european sky daddy word.
Heddwch â bach
Cymru am byth
Why don’t you speak about the gochuunaian culture the pure blooded European Celtic warrior culture
Show some HAPLOGROUPs next time
Oon(y)ehteetseh culture
I had a girlfriend known as the beak
Celtic from the West makes more sense to me.
He doesn't know that floods, droughts etc has always existed?