@@letsgobrandon18920 I think you are unaware how many oilers there are in WoW. I played the game as a tournament-level PvP-er and the amount of IRL money boosts people buy is CRAZY. Had hundreds of clients spending hundreds of dollars daily to get carried in PvP or just to have fun playing with top players. A 90 dollar mount is literally nothing to a lot of these whales in WoW. They spend thousands of dollars on items in PvE raids (buying gold). WoW economy is disgusting.
Sometimes, customer are the problems and it's a waste of time to convince them otherwise. At that point, getting out it's the only way to go. I've done this multiple times on live-service games.
Taking my wife out to dinner and a movie is worth worlds more to most of us! People are buying $90 mounts in an economy where we can barely afford to buy food
A $90 mount that you dont actually own for a game that you dont actually own. It's going to be amazing when these games disappear and people finally realize how much money they've spent on a video game.
Its the same with netflix subscription...or spotify...or cable TV...it doesnt matter, if you have the money and you spend it on something that brings you joy, it doesnt matter
Gotta pump those rookie numbers. I've left behind Gacha games where I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on that account. It's just money, we can't take it away with us when we leave, so I wish you and everyone else enough success to be able to do something similar with no regrets and no second guessing.
@@tormdk5879 Not everyone is responsible enough to recognize if they really have that money to burn or not. I could get away burning similar amount on a gacha if I was inclined, but I rather use that money to buy a house instead.
@@tormdk5879 lmfao. You're a rich loser incapable of resisting instant gratification and impulse. You are actually the problem; inflating the business practice that psychologically manipulated you. But hey, it's just money.
@@tomaskalinka5679 the point is that our Right to Property is being destroyed by corporations and the point of Legislation is to restore or create protections for our Rights. That is actually the purpose of government. We the People institute government, their authority is derived from us. We tell them what we want and they protect it. When they dont, we put people in their place who will. That concept has been captured by corporations and the government protects special interests rather than us, We the People; it's corruption at the detriment of our Rights. But keep "buying" products that you dont actually own.
As much as I agree in owning more variety of experiences, there is a point of - What will you get more use out of: $90 in a game you already play? or 10 games to add to a 1000+ backlog? Which is greater wisdom?
Just before everything, I bought it. And so did literally everyone in my guild raid, 36 people. Im not justifiying the price, its insane. But just some context. The mount is a reskin with some changes of a Mount that was only purchasable during the Battle for Azeroth expansion and was the only Mount that used that Dino Model but also the only mount that could access the Auction House everywhere. During that time, it costed 5 Million Gold. To put into perspective, right now, the Price exchange rate for the Gold to Money and reverse is by around 300k Gold in Europe for 20 Euro. Back then it was around 100k if I remember correctly. So to buy the predecessor, you would need to spend around 1000 Euro to buy it. You can only get it currently with extreme luck from the so called Black Market, wich sells rare items in an auction, of course prices there can go up several Millions, wich isnt Money any regular player has. The average Money a player has that activly plays is less then 1 Million to give perspective. For me, this 90 Bucks was a steal in several ways. I used Gold to buy it, since you can buy everything in the Blizzard store with WoW Gold. But it was also STILL cheaper then the 5 Million Mount. Is 90 Bucks to much? Yeah of course. 40 should be the maximum, since that would make it still more expensive then other mounts, but also "redeem" the fact that its currently the only Mount that has a Auction House AND a Mail NPC. I know that its still an insane amount of Money for a Mount, but that was more in comparison to other Blizzard Pricing, since most Mounts cost around 20 Euro since they started selling them So yeah not sure if W or L but the people definitly wanted it. For their public image, yeah its terrible, but hating blizz is so common these days that they probably stopped caring, since they can do nothing to improve it.
I started playing FF14 on October 1st, 2024 and I’m 150 hours in. I have to say my favorite part of the game is no real money store in the game. It’s located in a separate website. Having a store located in the game kills immersion and dedication of actually obtaining things through your own effort in a game. Also I’m a single player only gamer who played 22 FF games with the platinum trophy in preparation of FF14. I appreciate FF14 because the game is designed so that someone like me can play the entire MSQ solo. I’m a PS player because I also love my physical game media. Always buy my games physically. That’s why I’ll never be playing on PC as I’ve been playing PS for the last 25 years.
I think it's worth pointing out that this isn't Only a skin. The mount gives you access to things like the auction house, which was previously only accessible at set capital city locations or through a now removed mount (unless you buy it through the black market auction house, which lists random items for uncapped bidding), so I'm assuming a lot of people buy it in order to gain access to a feature they'd otherwise have to travel for. Thus this isn't just a cosmetic, but a feature disguised and marketed as a cosmetic mount, which in my opinion is far worse than "just" yet another expensive skin.
Yeah I was confused why he kept calling it a skin or a mount, that's not the point of it at all. I guess he didn't look into it at all. It's a QoL/time saver item for players to access AH/mail from anywhere. If it was just a skin, it wouldn't be nearly as popular.
@@mvprime8 so uh…. It’s okay to charge 90 bucks for that feature?? On a game that ppl already spend 15 bucks a month?! Ya’ll will ride blizzard and suck ‘em dry to defend these shameful tactics. Lolol big sad
@@louderthenvisual where did you see me say it's ok. If anything the video with its wrong information is placing the blame on the players for paying $90 for a "skin", and excusing blizzard's actions.
It's not just a skin. The mount got an npc on it that give you access to the in-game auction house everywhere you go. Which is very useful and very sought after. An identical mount (in a different color) can be bought in-game for 10 million gold. The real money price takes shorter time to farm in real life than the gold takes to farm in-game. Buying 10 mil gold for real money is over 700 dollar and you can spend more than a week farming the gold in-game.
anyone who buys that mount and then complains the game is broken have no right to say anything bad about the game when they are fueling the thing that Blizzard cares the most: making money with as little work as possible
That is what makes me sad though with modern gaming....if say 10000 people do not buy stuff in a game...there will be 100 that will make up that difference and then some....and i am just hoping that bubble does burst
You can buy it with ingame gold. And for a lot of people making gold with the auction house is their whole game, so the mount (and price) makes sense. For everybody else, I dont get why they got it.
It looks like it's what, 6 WoW tokens to get the balance for this mount? How much is that in terms of in-game gold now? It does explain why so many people have it, especially given how much gold I would imagine dedicated old school players have amassed over the course of 20 years.
There is a difference in buying a physical object and a digital one. And it's so beneficial for the seller as they can produce it in infinite number with no additional cost
I mean what is the difference really? Resell value? Can’t resell a burned candle, and much of the warhammer thing is about painting your own units to take two of Luke’s examples
@@machineofadreamThere's a system in place that allows players to legitimately (not against TOS) pay their subscription by playing the game? Genuine question.
@@SRFAA sort of, someone can buy a token worth one month of game time with real world money and then put that token in the in game auction house. People in game can then buy said token and use it for themselves. So while the in game player isnt paying for the subscription someone else is, Blizzard still gets their money.
Yeah, but you know what's not free? Time. The tokens have skyrocketed in price so madly that even if you're good at making gold the time you need to spend to earn enough gold for the token will be equivalent of getting paid $4-$6 an hour.
@@serillen1904 How realistic is it for most people to be able to pay for that at its average in game price? If it's something only the top 10% can get without harming other aspects of their gameplay in a month (like being able to do content that's not meant for farming enough gold to buy their next subscription) it's not that great of an option.
Blizzard's audience gets what it deserves. We go on about voting with our wallets, well, Blizzard's audience voted with their wallets and told Blizzard this is what they wanted. Congratulations.
I never understood this. But even more now when platforms come out that you "dont own your games". So you are basically renting a skin for your in game mount for $90. You cant use it anywhere else. And if the service ends, your account gets hacked, you are banned etc etc etc You wont be getting that money back,
Horse armour is the reason we're in this mess in the first place, the fact you want to go back to those "good times" just shows how bad things escalated, just like me and many others were afraid of back when it was first introduced. "But it's cosmetic, it doesn't affect gameplay" Hawk Tuah!
$90 dollars is an insane price. However the mount has QOL functionality that isn't readily available elsewhere. It comes with an auction house and mailbox. You can only find the auction house in certain cities. Only the Old, no longer purchasable (was also 5million gold to buy so not easy for most people to get.) Brutosaur mount has a portable Auction house. it has no mailbox. So they knew what they were doing when they priced it that way. It's shady as hell but we are all suckers when its something we want.
Thats the thing, everyone is complaining about 'the whales' buying it. Everyone I know that plays has bought this. My whole guild bought one. We're all adults with full time jobs and disposable income. I've never bought a mount or anything besides a sub and expacs but I bought this mount. If you play wow its a huge QOL that everyone who missed out on the OG Brutosaur still feels bad about missing out on. On top it comes with the Mailbox which is even better. The amount of people begging Blizz to bring this mount back, you'd have to be a marketing idiot not to make this move.
@@krackawoody2556 And at the end of the day, it's still optional. I know people try to say that this is not an excuse. But, auction house and mailbox have been in the game in its original form (capital cities only for auction house, and inn only for mailbox until recently) for YEARS. Valdraken is the first non-capital cities with the actual normal auction house. The old brutosaur was the only mount with mobile auction house, which was crazy at the time (and was priced accordingly). This is in comparison to some games that INTENTIONALLY make things difficult for players AND immediately sell the solutions for real money right away. GW2 is the prime example of that. I play both games. I spend a lot of money on both.
@@WaratW Also not trying to justify spending a lot because of course it would be nice if it were cheaper BUT I can imagine the community who bought the initial Brutosaur for $5mill would be pissed if the new mount was $20 to $30 because they'd feel like they got cheated.
@@krackawoody2556 You can buy this with in game gold and redeem through tokens, by my understanding? I wonder out of the people who got the mount, how many ponied up the $90 from their bank account and how many just dropped the in game gold to get the tokens to buy this?
this is a scumbag move to sell it and it should have been a reward for a long-term collection based achievement instead. Few factors here; -Limited time offering(gone in Jan 2025 until they bring it back) -it has a mailbox(sends items to other characters/people) which can be used at will(most mailboxes are in fixed locations) no other mount offers that and other ways to get anywhere mailboxes have a 1+ hour gap between uses. -it has an auction house(in-game place to buy and sell items with/from other players) which only 1 other mount has had and that older mount is now on a rotation in a random shop and only 1 is in stock if it comes up.
Jup. That's FOMO as practiced in many games with buyable items. Most commonly done by making it only available for a limited time period. I believe the business term is artificial scarcity. Fun fact, that's the same reason diamonds are so expensive.
Paid items in World of Warcraft is not okay, you must pay for the game, pay for a monthly subscription and pay for the expansions. Having the game being paid and still have a subscription is bad enough, then have a cash shop, fing triple dipping
It's inevitable. Right or not. These people throwing thousands around as pocket change sends enough of a message that they are gonna keep doing it and pushing the limits. Because people buy it.
Even before the microtansactions stuff, we had people selling ingame characters fully decked out for an silly amount of money. The industry has catched up with that idea a long time now. And now people start the realize it might not be a good idea. A little bit to late.
Almost everyone paying a subscription to an MMO is already paying more for that single game than a single-player rpg, so yes in that way we think about value for mounts/skins differently.
Lot of context lost here. One thing, WoW has an entire system built to exchange in game gold for bnet balance. I’d hazard to guess half of those with the mount already had enough in game gold to convert (the auction house literally ran out of the tokens you can buy for bnet balance). This mount also has a history. It is much easier to obtain now than it was back then. This was a mount that cost some people close to $1000 at one point. Nobody tell Luke how much a spectral tiger would set you back.
Lego you build and enjoy, skins you buy and that's it , you'll forget it exist as purchased content after a while You'll never forget a physical purchase cost
If I was still playing WoW, I would probably have gotten that. For me, it's a collectable. Having lots of mounts brought me joy at the time. I even had 2 rare and extremely expensive mounts from the original Warcraft TCG that I bought for way too much money. If people want to say it's stupid to spend money on digital collectables because they aren't permanent, then I'd say its stupid to spend money to go to a concert, see a movie, or go to a sporting event. They aren't permanent either. But you might say: digital goods can be taken away from you. I'd say: so can physical; it's called getting robbed, having a fire, or your partner getting pissed and breaking your shit. Even if none of that happens, you're gonna die at some point and lose it all anyway. But I won't actually say all that, because its not stupid to spend your money on things that make you happy as long as you're doing it responsibly. If you want to say: $90 is way too much, I'd say: Yes, I agree with that. Blizzard is out of control with pricing.
It all depends on its value to you. I wouldn't buy a collectable from a game like WoW because I don't play the same game for years on end. I played WoW for almost a year in the past, but I've never desired to go back, even to see whatever collectables I gathered. At least with a physical product (like everything in Luke's room), it keeps a permanent presence in a space I call home. So I would be more willing to drop 90 bucks on a physical statue than I would a digital cosmetic, that's for sure.
That's only if you're poor. For middle income folks (most who are playing wow) this is just chump change, the same as buying a steampunk keyboard to show your friends. It's the same vibes as "I'd be embarrassed to tell ppl I'm a gamer", just the other way around.
@@lylianx4209 How on earth do you deduce that most WoW players are middle income? No matter how you paint it, spending $90 on a skin is ridiculous to anybody in touch with reality.
@@Bruh-ye7dg - Haha so you bought it, I assume. That screenshot of the little dinosaurs all huddled together was the most pathetic thing I’ve ever witnessed.
I went to Wowhead when this was announced, expecting people to hate it. Seeing people actually EXCITED about this blew my mind and hurt to read. Especially people seeming to feel superior to 'poor people' by buying this. Absolute madness.
These huge games get away with it so often because the player-base is severely addicted. With WoW specifically, a huge part of the game is completing transmog and mount collections.
It's $132 CAD O_O. It's just the fancy auction mount, and I've been trying to get it for years from Mdm goya....and now they just....sell it as a fucking anniversary thing. Imagine if they'd made a quest line to earn it first? That would have been an awesome 20th anniversary treat.
I totally understand the sentiment of voting with your wallet. But the problem is, there are just so, so many people not doing that, that doing it yourself becomes meaningless. There are so few people not buying that it has no effect on the publisher, so they aren't lowering their prices. I tried that approach with Genshin, because their skins are way too expensive in my opinion. But people, including my irl friends, bought the skins en masse when they became a thing, and with that the price was set in stone. Now, if I want a skin, I buy it because they won't ever get cheaper. Edit: The problem why "voting with your wallet" doesn't really work is because people WANT to have whatever it is that's being sold. That's just how demand and pricing works in business. It's very easy to vote with your wallet, when you didn't want the product in the first place. And that's why we are seeing so many big budget titles just not being bought by gamers anymore and gamers actually expressing schadenfreude about it instead of lamenting that they didn't buy the special edition: they have no interest in the product itself anymore. Then voting with your wallet becomes easy.
My issue isn't with the mount itself, it's the fact that they ship this and a glitchy, almost souless mess of a patch that's supposed to "celebrate" the 20th anniversary of WoW. It's supposed to be a HUGE milestone for the game and they just made it into another chore check list that's opaque on all of the ways to get the currency for the in-game stuff. If they put more time and effort into the in-game content like they do their cash-grab products, I'd be less disappointed.
This has been the new norm for quite a while, for over a decade at least in wow, predatory practices were being implemented and the fanbase did not fight back with their wallet. Enough people enjoyed paying for these cosmetic skins that it became normal. We had it good at the beginning of gaming but it has turned into just money grubbing executives trying to squeeze their base for as much as they are willing to give up. I am certain there were surveys sent out to people over the years asking how much were they willing to pay for having a portable auction house and mailbox ,and once that value proposition reached a point where they knew they could make the most profit they put this out and include FOMO practices to get parents to buy this around the holidays. We just have to accept that this is how the new generation of gamers have come to expect their experience to be. That along with not owning your games is how the future of gaming will be. If you don't like it you could just not spend money on these cosmetics but the comment section is wrong for judging people spending their money on what they want to spend it on, a hobby is a hobby.
This isn't just a $90 mount. It's a $90 RESKINNED mount. lol Almost twice the amount of a full expansion and it's a reskin of a mount that's already in the game.
Even for Star Citizen, $90 for a mount is insane. An entire space ship is way more complicated than a mount. Players freaked out when they sold the mech (a close equivalent to a mount) for $45. This is literally twice as bad 😂 That being said, people bought it. They made a lot of money off this silly thing
As a WoW player, $90 is insane, it should be cheaper. However, this has been one of the most sought after mounts for years. It’s a Brutosaur auction house mount, and there has only been one other Brutosaur mount that isn’t even available anymore. The community has been begging for something like this so I get why people have bought it. Blizzard definitely took advantage of it, but I get it. And if you have the finances to do it, then god bless
I'm tired of it. People should be shamed like the old days. It's ruined gaming. Wow 10 year anniversary *Gives out cool statue to everyone who's been subscribed the whole time. Wow 20 year anniversary *Give us money. People genuinely deserve garbage games. They enable and support the business models for them.
the thing that most people not realize about wow is that IT IS about flexing on other people and that's why this thing works in that game. i stopped playing wow about 10 years ago but even back then, people would be flexing mounts in capital cities. back then it was about "oh i got this super rare mount that has like a 0.01% drop rate on a once week 25-man raid", but honestly, flexing is flexing, whether it be in-game luck or real life financial capability. i suppose having a 90 USD bronto is just showing people inside the game you have fuck-around money. luke is right that the demographic of WoW skews older as well, and so has more disposable income.
I get that some people buy like a figurine that cost 300 bucks because that's what they like which is fine, but you have to remember that just recently people started to realize that this digital crap that they're spending money on is something THEY DON'T EVEN OWN so technically you can kiss goodbye all your goodies like TOMORROW if they decide to shut down the game for example, which makes this stupid 90 dollars mount way worse than a 300 dollar physical object that YOU OWN.
People who buy this kind of stuff are telling the dev teams and publishers "keep doing it because we want this kind of thing in our games". Wrong or right buying it still sends a message.
I don't play the game anymore anyhow. It's interesting to see that clever ideas will still sell. No matter how much. And the last time I played you could select male or female ...ooh edgy. TRex or other dinosaurs are coming
to be fair if you make gold in wow you can turn that in game currency into blizzard store balance and the buy anything on the sore >>> the 90 dollar mount. I and many others have done it. though id never spend 90 bucks on it actually. Its also special in that it has a auction house and a mailbox on it. not that it justifies the price.
What's sad is that the people who bought the mounts think it's a joke and they are in on it, meanwhile the real jokers in the C suite are laughing at them and they didn't buy the $90 mount.
Spending more money than a AAA game on a F2P game is fair imo. It depends on how you approach it. If I have a F2P game, my rule is: anywhere between 20-40€ per 100h of fun. If I like the game, and I spent over 100h playing on their servers, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to spend that money. But the pricing still needs to be reasonable. If you ask 40-60€ for a mere skin, even if I played 300h of it, it still needs to make sense.
"Hey look I ve got the 90 Dollar Skin now." "Cool." " HELLO LOOK AT IT GODDAMN DONT YOU SEE IT ? I HAVE THE ROLEX OF WoW!!!!" "Ok cool." "IM TALKING TO YOU AND TELLING YOU I AM COOL !" Thats the vibe I get when a WoW player tries to show off xD
i’ve spent so much on League and Valorant and yeah the logic you explained is the same i have. I like supporting Riot and wanting them to use that to develop new things like Arcane and at one point Riot Forge and the Other games. and if it’s through MTX it’s how i justify it. I know it’s stupid but at the same time I play these games so much and don’t feel bad at least for Riot Games
I dunno if I personally view things like statues and things you build the same way as a skin/mount in a game. Because what you are buying is a tangible thing you have in your hands, while that skin or mount can be just cut today for all we know. All servers dead, and then it is worth nothing.
On the surface, from the perspective of someone who doesn’t play WoW, this might seem outrageous and easy to be angry about. Spending $90 for an old model with a few pieces of armor and some added utilities might seem incomprehensible. It’s hard to empathize with the excitement. The advantage of having the auction house mount in WoW is enormous. It allows players to access the auction house anywhere, rather than only in major cities. Players who didn't have 5 million gold seven years ago couldn't obtain this mount with the auction house feature. For seven years, players could only look at this mount with envy from afar. Now, for WoW's 20th anniversary, this mount is available for about one-fifth of the original price, and it even comes with better specs (with an added mailbox).
The difference between a warhammer figure and this mount is that this is a digital product. They don't need resources to create each one. They create it once and then copy/paste it. Also, when the game costs $60 and then a mount that is only a miniscule portion of the game costs $90. The value feels off.
Something physical is different. You can keep it forever or sell it. Put it in a case. Digital in game items are not forever. If the servers go down, oh well.
To be fair you own those Warhammer Models you can touch them display them paint them even play them on a table top game that mount could be gone anytime blizzard wants to take down the servers then no more mount 90$ bucks for Real Models! goes a long way.
I've been playing WoW for over 10 years. I dont mind spending some money on a game I play so much. Same with league. I have over 10k hours in these games. It's cheaper than going out. And yeah as you said. Warhammer is also another expensive hobby.
Apex Legends is selling literally multiple skins each season that are more than 3 times the price of this mount LMAO! Legend specific heirlooms are 160€ inside of an event and outside of an event they are ~500€ Legend prestige skins are 160€ inside of an event and outside of an event they are ~500€ Unsiversal melee skins are 360€ inside of an event and outside of an event they are ~500€
Man, remember when we used to play games to escape into a world where our broke asses could be the ones with the coolest gear. Now we have to be broke in game too. Feelsbadman
I've been playing WOW from day 1 release. Its my go to game and I don't want it to disappear. I'm happy that some people buy this stuff because as long as Blizzard are making money my favourite game will continue to exist. I will never buy it myself and I only see it as being an issue if you cant earn mounts in game anymore. As long as cash shop items don't replace in game earnable items then its just an extra and that's fine.
I have ZERO issues with high dollar skins and other visuals that dont effect winning. But once they start selling shit to make ur character OP, then its bullshit
At some point, there will be another scandal at a global level, as happened with EA's microtransactions, and this negatively impacted the entire industry and community. And if another scandal occurs at that level, bigger, powerful forces will step in and mess with your game and how you play.
Both MMO(mostly a casual)and Singleplayer gamer here so I do get the ppl who bought the mount and tbf its a much better investment rather than buying a fking 70$ cinematic western POS game where once I finish the game , the game rots in the corner of my hard disk with 0 FKING REPLAY VALUE. But also see the stupidity for skins in some of these games. Get ppl spending money on skins for games like PUBG / Fortnite / any Third person view so u can actually appreciate the skin u bought while u explore the map. But what about skins in these moba/fps competitive games where u are playing it so hard and fast that u are bound to miss / unable to pay attention to the skin u bought in 3rd person MOBA But ppl spending money for skins on a fking FPS games WHERE U CANT EVEN SEE UR OWN SKIN is just baffling lol & this is like the standard in all of western games which are mostly FOMO competitive when it comes to online games rather than casual ones. And most of these MOBA players /Sports gamers / FPS guys mostly play that one game and a couple of side games at best so it's not like they are like other gamers who play many others alongside it so u really can't call their reasoning as excuses cause that is all they play and it's their money after all so Dont care much since these casuals arent the target audience for these skins or mounts but the whales are. And casuals are like a bunch of locusts anyway who keep jumping from game to game whenever a new shiny thing comes out so cant blame the publishers for catering to the whales who actually stick around and play the game day in&out Rather than to a bunch of whiny'pussies who love to b1sh on things they arent even fking playing at the moment.
Hey WoW player here. So first things first. price tag? Unreasonable no arguments there. No mount should ever be the price of a full game. however just wanted to correct you on 1 thing. Saying everyone who bought the mount spent $90 is wrong. Know lots of people who farmed for it. Basically in WoW nowadays you can buy gold through the wow token. you spend real money and get something like 300k gold in game. This however also works the other way around. You can buy these tokens in the AH for in game gold and get rewarded something like 8$ in the blizz store. So if you have a few million gold to spare you can actually buy this for in game gold like a lot of my guild mates did. The mount is in high demand cause its not just a skin, it comes with a mailbox and an auction house. I really don;t mind the shop...but the price tag did not go down well with me. Too high. I do in fact have enough gold in game to buy it but skipped it. not worth it
A lot of WoW players though ONLY play WoW. Some are lifers. Some play the AH as an entirely separate game. $90 for what you get is absolutely worth it for some, not at all surprised. You may even see bots with this.
"$90 for an in game 'not real' item is CRAZY, chat" Whilst also: Beev, thanks for the 15 months bro. Doodoo, thanks for the free money, Ws in the chat!" 🤭🤭
I dont get how people dont realise that they’re encouraging their favourite games to become worse and worse. Prioritising selling items over actually making good games. Can’t speak on WoW personally but CoD has definitely suffered because of this
“What is a good way to do skins in your opinion…” I think the truth is that there’s no good way to sell skins in a game. You should sell content, or progression that includes skins if anything (and I don’t mean battle passes). If a game is selling you skins then that’s what it’ll optimize around and if it’s selling you content then that’s what it’ll optimize around
Dang, I have not bought a skin since 2019. That was honestly the last time I saw a cool one. In general skins are just lame, the more expensive the more lame and embarrassing the player looks. I mean, charge $500 for it, why not? Devs need money, this seems like a good way to get it.
1:00 I wish that this game temtem still had micro transactions they took them all out which is great on paper but now you need endgame currency to buy all these battle passes and its a ton of that currency which is also use for tons of other stuff that I would like more than the bp which is really annoying because now I’ll never get the cosmetics because I’d rather spend the currency on game stuff instead of bps since it’s so limited
3:42 Is it just me who would feel embarassed if people knew that i spent $90 on a mount.
Nah because chances are if you spend 90 dollars on a mount that 90 dollars is pocket change to you
@@arcanefire8056 lmaoooooo no. you're wrong. not in this economy today
No, these people have money to spare.
@@letsgobrandon18920 I think you are unaware how many oilers there are in WoW. I played the game as a tournament-level PvP-er and the amount of IRL money boosts people buy is CRAZY. Had hundreds of clients spending hundreds of dollars daily to get carried in PvP or just to have fun playing with top players. A 90 dollar mount is literally nothing to a lot of these whales in WoW. They spend thousands of dollars on items in PvE raids (buying gold). WoW economy is disgusting.
💀💀💀 it's insane BUT you hit the nail on the head, if customers keep buying it companies are gonna keep doing it
Yeah, those dumbasses are the root cause of this problem.
People who bought this deserve what's blizzard is doing to their games.
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Ai bot, unless your grammar is truly this bad.
@@CatholicChad712or english isn’t his native language tf 💀💀💀
Sometimes, customer are the problems and it's a waste of time to convince them otherwise. At that point, getting out it's the only way to go. I've done this multiple times on live-service games.
Customers enabled this. They voted with their wallets and told Blizzard this was what they wanted.
Customers are always to blame
@@trenaceandblackmetal5621 Yes even the non-customers
Taking my wife out to dinner and a movie is worth worlds more to most of us! People are buying $90 mounts in an economy where we can barely afford to buy food
I mean... people who can afford $90 cosmetics aren't exactly hurting for cash lol.
Not everyone is broke
Think about people who pay 1000 dollar ship on starfield.that game is for only whales.
Took my lady out to dinner to a Brazilian steak house and still bought the mount tho
A $90 mount that you dont actually own for a game that you dont actually own.
It's going to be amazing when these games disappear and people finally realize how much money they've spent on a video game.
Its the same with netflix subscription...or spotify...or cable TV...it doesnt matter, if you have the money and you spend it on something that brings you joy, it doesnt matter
Gotta pump those rookie numbers. I've left behind Gacha games where I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on that account. It's just money, we can't take it away with us when we leave, so I wish you and everyone else enough success to be able to do something similar with no regrets and no second guessing.
@@tormdk5879 Not everyone is responsible enough to recognize if they really have that money to burn or not. I could get away burning similar amount on a gacha if I was inclined, but I rather use that money to buy a house instead.
@@tormdk5879 lmfao. You're a rich loser incapable of resisting instant gratification and impulse.
You are actually the problem; inflating the business practice that psychologically manipulated you.
But hey, it's just money.
@@tomaskalinka5679 the point is that our Right to Property is being destroyed by corporations and the point of Legislation is to restore or create protections for our Rights. That is actually the purpose of government.
We the People institute government, their authority is derived from us. We tell them what we want and they protect it. When they dont, we put people in their place who will.
That concept has been captured by corporations and the government protects special interests rather than us, We the People; it's corruption at the detriment of our Rights.
But keep "buying" products that you dont actually own.
$90 mount vs $60 AAA game, heck even $90 worth of several indies and AA games, go figure which is more worth.
As much as I agree in owning more variety of experiences, there is a point of -
What will you get more use out of:
$90 in a game you already play? or
10 games to add to a 1000+ backlog?
Which is greater wisdom?
Just before everything, I bought it. And so did literally everyone in my guild raid, 36 people. Im not justifiying the price, its insane. But just some context. The mount is a reskin with some changes of a Mount that was only purchasable during the Battle for Azeroth expansion and was the only Mount that used that Dino Model but also the only mount that could access the Auction House everywhere. During that time, it costed 5 Million Gold. To put into perspective, right now, the Price exchange rate for the Gold to Money and reverse is by around 300k Gold in Europe for 20 Euro. Back then it was around 100k if I remember correctly. So to buy the predecessor, you would need to spend around 1000 Euro to buy it. You can only get it currently with extreme luck from the so called Black Market, wich sells rare items in an auction, of course prices there can go up several Millions, wich isnt Money any regular player has. The average Money a player has that activly plays is less then 1 Million to give perspective.
For me, this 90 Bucks was a steal in several ways. I used Gold to buy it, since you can buy everything in the Blizzard store with WoW Gold. But it was also STILL cheaper then the 5 Million Mount.
Is 90 Bucks to much? Yeah of course. 40 should be the maximum, since that would make it still more expensive then other mounts, but also "redeem" the fact that its currently the only Mount that has a Auction House AND a Mail NPC. I know that its still an insane amount of Money for a Mount, but that was more in comparison to other Blizzard Pricing, since most Mounts cost around 20 Euro since they started selling them
So yeah not sure if W or L but the people definitly wanted it. For their public image, yeah its terrible, but hating blizz is so common these days that they probably stopped caring, since they can do nothing to improve it.
I started playing FF14 on October 1st, 2024 and I’m 150 hours in. I have to say my favorite part of the game is no real money store in the game. It’s located in a separate website. Having a store located in the game kills immersion and dedication of actually obtaining things through your own effort in a game.
Also I’m a single player only gamer who played 22 FF games with the platinum trophy in preparation of FF14. I appreciate FF14 because the game is designed so that someone like me can play the entire MSQ solo. I’m a PS player because I also love my physical game media. Always buy my games physically. That’s why I’ll never be playing on PC as I’ve been playing PS for the last 25 years.
I think it's worth pointing out that this isn't Only a skin. The mount gives you access to things like the auction house, which was previously only accessible at set capital city locations or through a now removed mount (unless you buy it through the black market auction house, which lists random items for uncapped bidding), so I'm assuming a lot of people buy it in order to gain access to a feature they'd otherwise have to travel for.
Thus this isn't just a cosmetic, but a feature disguised and marketed as a cosmetic mount, which in my opinion is far worse than "just" yet another expensive skin.
Yeah I was confused why he kept calling it a skin or a mount, that's not the point of it at all. I guess he didn't look into it at all. It's a QoL/time saver item for players to access AH/mail from anywhere. If it was just a skin, it wouldn't be nearly as popular.
@@mvprime8 so uh…. It’s okay to charge 90 bucks for that feature?? On a game that ppl already spend 15 bucks a month?! Ya’ll will ride blizzard and suck ‘em dry to defend these shameful tactics. Lolol big sad
@@louderthenvisual where did you see me say it's ok. If anything the video with its wrong information is placing the blame on the players for paying $90 for a "skin", and excusing blizzard's actions.
It's not just a skin. The mount got an npc on it that give you access to the in-game auction house everywhere you go. Which is very useful and very sought after. An identical mount (in a different color) can be bought in-game for 10 million gold. The real money price takes shorter time to farm in real life than the gold takes to farm in-game. Buying 10 mil gold for real money is over 700 dollar and you can spend more than a week farming the gold in-game.
People who bought this are absolute clowns. This going to be the norm now and they did it to themselves.
anyone who buys that mount and then complains the game is broken have no right to say anything bad about the game when they are fueling the thing that Blizzard cares the most: making money with as little work as possible
That is what makes me sad though with modern gaming....if say 10000 people do not buy stuff in a game...there will be 100 that will make up that difference and then some....and i am just hoping that bubble does burst
They are called whales. They are the backbone of MMO/live service gaming.
You can buy it with ingame gold. And for a lot of people making gold with the auction house is their whole game, so the mount (and price) makes sense. For everybody else, I dont get why they got it.
You're part of the problem...
@@malekat8539 you didn't unterstand a word I wrote, did you?
It looks like it's what, 6 WoW tokens to get the balance for this mount? How much is that in terms of in-game gold now? It does explain why so many people have it, especially given how much gold I would imagine dedicated old school players have amassed over the course of 20 years.
There is a difference in buying a physical object and a digital one. And it's so beneficial for the seller as they can produce it in infinite number with no additional cost
I mean what is the difference really? Resell value? Can’t resell a burned candle, and much of the warhammer thing is about painting your own units to take two of Luke’s examples
And yet they still charge $15 a month for the game....
You can play free by spending in-game currency instead, and it's been that way a while.
@@machineofadreamThere's a system in place that allows players to legitimately (not against TOS) pay their subscription by playing the game?
Genuine question.
@@SRFAA sort of, someone can buy a token worth one month of game time with real world money and then put that token in the in game auction house. People in game can then buy said token and use it for themselves. So while the in game player isnt paying for the subscription someone else is, Blizzard still gets their money.
Yeah, but you know what's not free? Time. The tokens have skyrocketed in price so madly that even if you're good at making gold the time you need to spend to earn enough gold for the token will be equivalent of getting paid $4-$6 an hour.
@@serillen1904 How realistic is it for most people to be able to pay for that at its average in game price? If it's something only the top 10% can get without harming other aspects of their gameplay in a month (like being able to do content that's not meant for farming enough gold to buy their next subscription) it's not that great of an option.
I bought a 1500 dollar guitar last night, when I have 10+ other guitars. I can't judge anyone for what they do lol.
Nah that's different. You brought a physical object. If this game goes down or a person loses their account, they can't use that skin anymore.
Blizzard's audience gets what it deserves. We go on about voting with our wallets, well, Blizzard's audience voted with their wallets and told Blizzard this is what they wanted. Congratulations.
I never understood this. But even more now when platforms come out that you "dont own your games". So you are basically renting a skin for your in game mount for $90. You cant use it anywhere else. And if the service ends, your account gets hacked, you are banned etc etc etc You wont be getting that money back,
Bring back horse armor. That $4.99 for armor back then doesn't seem so bad now
Horse armour is the reason we're in this mess in the first place, the fact you want to go back to those "good times" just shows how bad things escalated, just like me and many others were afraid of back when it was first introduced.
"But it's cosmetic, it doesn't affect gameplay" Hawk Tuah!
Horse armor started this - thanks Todd.
March 2006, The Xbox Marketplace.
The catalyst for the end.
Nah that’s still absurd
I would never pay real money for a fake horse. But then thats why WoW isn’t really a game for me.
$90 dollars is an insane price. However the mount has QOL functionality that isn't readily available elsewhere. It comes with an auction house and mailbox. You can only find the auction house in certain cities. Only the Old, no longer purchasable (was also 5million gold to buy so not easy for most people to get.) Brutosaur mount has a portable Auction house. it has no mailbox. So they knew what they were doing when they priced it that way. It's shady as hell but we are all suckers when its something we want.
Thats the thing, everyone is complaining about 'the whales' buying it. Everyone I know that plays has bought this. My whole guild bought one. We're all adults with full time jobs and disposable income. I've never bought a mount or anything besides a sub and expacs but I bought this mount. If you play wow its a huge QOL that everyone who missed out on the OG Brutosaur still feels bad about missing out on. On top it comes with the Mailbox which is even better.
The amount of people begging Blizz to bring this mount back, you'd have to be a marketing idiot not to make this move.
@@krackawoody2556 And at the end of the day, it's still optional. I know people try to say that this is not an excuse. But, auction house and mailbox have been in the game in its original form (capital cities only for auction house, and inn only for mailbox until recently) for YEARS. Valdraken is the first non-capital cities with the actual normal auction house. The old brutosaur was the only mount with mobile auction house, which was crazy at the time (and was priced accordingly). This is in comparison to some games that INTENTIONALLY make things difficult for players AND immediately sell the solutions for real money right away. GW2 is the prime example of that. I play both games. I spend a lot of money on both.
@@WaratW Also not trying to justify spending a lot because of course it would be nice if it were cheaper BUT I can imagine the community who bought the initial Brutosaur for $5mill would be pissed if the new mount was $20 to $30 because they'd feel like they got cheated.
@@krackawoody2556
Just shut up. You're literally the reason the gaming world has thus issue. You and your gaming circle. You're part of the problem
@@krackawoody2556 You can buy this with in game gold and redeem through tokens, by my understanding? I wonder out of the people who got the mount, how many ponied up the $90 from their bank account and how many just dropped the in game gold to get the tokens to buy this?
this is a scumbag move to sell it and it should have been a reward for a long-term collection based achievement instead.
Few factors here;
-Limited time offering(gone in Jan 2025 until they bring it back)
-it has a mailbox(sends items to other characters/people) which can be used at will(most mailboxes are in fixed locations) no other mount offers that and other ways to get anywhere mailboxes have a 1+ hour gap between uses.
-it has an auction house(in-game place to buy and sell items with/from other players) which only 1 other mount has had and that older mount is now on a rotation in a random shop and only 1 is in stock if it comes up.
Jup. That's FOMO as practiced in many games with buyable items. Most commonly done by making it only available for a limited time period. I believe the business term is artificial scarcity. Fun fact, that's the same reason diamonds are so expensive.
Paid items in World of Warcraft is not okay, you must pay for the game, pay for a monthly subscription and pay for the expansions.
Having the game being paid and still have a subscription is bad enough, then have a cash shop, fing triple dipping
You can buy all those things with gold too.
@@kimberly4275 not an excuse to double nor triple dip
I've been playing WoW since Vanilla, and I'm sick of these stupid in-game mounts.
I hope they start selling $200 skins, because at this point the WoW community deserves it.
It's inevitable. Right or not. These people throwing thousands around as pocket change sends enough of a message that they are gonna keep doing it and pushing the limits. Because people buy it.
6:38 I am the kryptonite of free to play games. I played League of legends for 8 years and spent 10 dollars on a single skin 😂
League is also pretty generous with giving out free skins too, but I’ve still spent hundreds on it lol
Even before the microtansactions stuff, we had people selling ingame characters fully decked out for an silly amount of money. The industry has catched up with that idea a long time now. And now people start the realize it might not be a good idea. A little bit to late.
Almost everyone paying a subscription to an MMO is already paying more for that single game than a single-player rpg, so yes in that way we think about value for mounts/skins differently.
I wish we could talk about this on a podcast with mmotubers. We'd tear this crap a new one.
Lot of context lost here. One thing, WoW has an entire system built to exchange in game gold for bnet balance. I’d hazard to guess half of those with the mount already had enough in game gold to convert (the auction house literally ran out of the tokens you can buy for bnet balance).
This mount also has a history. It is much easier to obtain now than it was back then. This was a mount that cost some people close to $1000 at one point. Nobody tell Luke how much a spectral tiger would set you back.
Lego you build and enjoy, skins you buy and that's it , you'll forget it exist as purchased content after a while
You'll never forget a physical purchase cost
If I was still playing WoW, I would probably have gotten that. For me, it's a collectable. Having lots of mounts brought me joy at the time. I even had 2 rare and extremely expensive mounts from the original Warcraft TCG that I bought for way too much money.
If people want to say it's stupid to spend money on digital collectables because they aren't permanent, then I'd say its stupid to spend money to go to a concert, see a movie, or go to a sporting event. They aren't permanent either. But you might say: digital goods can be taken away from you. I'd say: so can physical; it's called getting robbed, having a fire, or your partner getting pissed and breaking your shit. Even if none of that happens, you're gonna die at some point and lose it all anyway.
But I won't actually say all that, because its not stupid to spend your money on things that make you happy as long as you're doing it responsibly.
If you want to say: $90 is way too much, I'd say: Yes, I agree with that. Blizzard is out of control with pricing.
It all depends on its value to you. I wouldn't buy a collectable from a game like WoW because I don't play the same game for years on end. I played WoW for almost a year in the past, but I've never desired to go back, even to see whatever collectables I gathered. At least with a physical product (like everything in Luke's room), it keeps a permanent presence in a space I call home. So I would be more willing to drop 90 bucks on a physical statue than I would a digital cosmetic, that's for sure.
I would be utterly embarrassed to tell people that i spent $90 on a dinosaur skin.
Tell em it's in WoW and you might just make them sick
That's only if you're poor. For middle income folks (most who are playing wow) this is just chump change, the same as buying a steampunk keyboard to show your friends.
It's the same vibes as "I'd be embarrassed to tell ppl I'm a gamer", just the other way around.
@@lylianx4209 How on earth do you deduce that most WoW players are middle income? No matter how you paint it, spending $90 on a skin is ridiculous to anybody in touch with reality.
@@Rikkard1898 Spending $90 on a skin is ridiculous to anybody who's poor. *
@@Bruh-ye7dg - Haha so you bought it, I assume. That screenshot of the little dinosaurs all huddled together was the most pathetic thing I’ve ever witnessed.
I went to Wowhead when this was announced, expecting people to hate it. Seeing people actually EXCITED about this blew my mind and hurt to read. Especially people seeming to feel superior to 'poor people' by buying this. Absolute madness.
These huge games get away with it so often because the player-base is severely addicted. With WoW specifically, a huge part of the game is completing transmog and mount collections.
Same with people who “need” to own every League of legends skin when the 500$ one comes out
Wow! Remember when everyone was upset at horse armor? This is literally a horse skin that's 2250% more expensive.
It's $132 CAD O_O. It's just the fancy auction mount, and I've been trying to get it for years from Mdm goya....and now they just....sell it as a fucking anniversary thing. Imagine if they'd made a quest line to earn it first? That would have been an awesome 20th anniversary treat.
I totally understand the sentiment of voting with your wallet. But the problem is, there are just so, so many people not doing that, that doing it yourself becomes meaningless. There are so few people not buying that it has no effect on the publisher, so they aren't lowering their prices. I tried that approach with Genshin, because their skins are way too expensive in my opinion. But people, including my irl friends, bought the skins en masse when they became a thing, and with that the price was set in stone. Now, if I want a skin, I buy it because they won't ever get cheaper.
Edit: The problem why "voting with your wallet" doesn't really work is because people WANT to have whatever it is that's being sold. That's just how demand and pricing works in business. It's very easy to vote with your wallet, when you didn't want the product in the first place. And that's why we are seeing so many big budget titles just not being bought by gamers anymore and gamers actually expressing schadenfreude about it instead of lamenting that they didn't buy the special edition: they have no interest in the product itself anymore. Then voting with your wallet becomes easy.
My issue isn't with the mount itself, it's the fact that they ship this and a glitchy, almost souless mess of a patch that's supposed to "celebrate" the 20th anniversary of WoW. It's supposed to be a HUGE milestone for the game and they just made it into another chore check list that's opaque on all of the ways to get the currency for the in-game stuff.
If they put more time and effort into the in-game content like they do their cash-grab products, I'd be less disappointed.
This has been the new norm for quite a while, for over a decade at least in wow, predatory practices were being implemented and the fanbase did not fight back with their wallet. Enough people enjoyed paying for these cosmetic skins that it became normal. We had it good at the beginning of gaming but it has turned into just money grubbing executives trying to squeeze their base for as much as they are willing to give up.
I am certain there were surveys sent out to people over the years asking how much were they willing to pay for having a portable auction house and mailbox ,and once that value proposition reached a point where they knew they could make the most profit they put this out and include FOMO practices to get parents to buy this around the holidays. We just have to accept that this is how the new generation of gamers have come to expect their experience to be. That along with not owning your games is how the future of gaming will be. If you don't like it you could just not spend money on these cosmetics but the comment section is wrong for judging people spending their money on what they want to spend it on, a hobby is a hobby.
This isn't just a $90 mount. It's a $90 RESKINNED mount. lol Almost twice the amount of a full expansion and it's a reskin of a mount that's already in the game.
Added information for this, the mount have attached auction house and mail service. Not say good bad, thats prob useful info.
The mount gives access to the auction house anywhere in the world, part of the 90$ price tag. Still not worth it absolutley, but that's why
that feels kinda p2w no?
Even for Star Citizen, $90 for a mount is insane. An entire space ship is way more complicated than a mount. Players freaked out when they sold the mech (a close equivalent to a mount) for $45. This is literally twice as bad 😂 That being said, people bought it. They made a lot of money off this silly thing
$15 a month ($180 a year) plus a $90 mount on top of that, and yet people complain about buying a $200 spaceship in Star Citizen.
As a WoW player, $90 is insane, it should be cheaper. However, this has been one of the most sought after mounts for years. It’s a Brutosaur auction house mount, and there has only been one other Brutosaur mount that isn’t even available anymore. The community has been begging for something like this so I get why people have bought it. Blizzard definitely took advantage of it, but I get it. And if you have the finances to do it, then god bless
I'm tired of it. People should be shamed like the old days. It's ruined gaming. Wow 10 year anniversary *Gives out cool statue to everyone who's been subscribed the whole time. Wow 20 year anniversary *Give us money. People genuinely deserve garbage games. They enable and support the business models for them.
the thing that most people not realize about wow is that IT IS about flexing on other people and that's why this thing works in that game. i stopped playing wow about 10 years ago but even back then, people would be flexing mounts in capital cities. back then it was about "oh i got this super rare mount that has like a 0.01% drop rate on a once week 25-man raid", but honestly, flexing is flexing, whether it be in-game luck or real life financial capability. i suppose having a 90 USD bronto is just showing people inside the game you have fuck-around money.
luke is right that the demographic of WoW skews older as well, and so has more disposable income.
Star Citizen laughs. You have to pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers.
I get that some people buy like a figurine that cost 300 bucks because that's what they like which is fine, but you have to remember that just recently people started to realize that this digital crap that they're spending money on is something THEY DON'T EVEN OWN so technically you can kiss goodbye all your goodies like TOMORROW if they decide to shut down the game for example, which makes this stupid 90 dollars mount way worse than a 300 dollar physical object that YOU OWN.
Can't blame the companies for this.. it's the fudged up gamers who keeps paying for skins, mounts and all that nonsense who are to blame.
People who buy this kind of stuff are telling the dev teams and publishers "keep doing it because we want this kind of thing in our games". Wrong or right buying it still sends a message.
I don't play the game anymore anyhow. It's interesting to see that clever ideas will still sell. No matter how much. And the last time I played you could select male or female ...ooh edgy.
TRex or other dinosaurs are coming
to be fair if you make gold in wow you can turn that in game currency into blizzard store balance and the buy anything on the sore >>> the 90 dollar mount. I and many others have done it. though id never spend 90 bucks on it actually. Its also special in that it has a auction house and a mailbox on it. not that it justifies the price.
What's sad is that the people who bought the mounts think it's a joke and they are in on it, meanwhile the real jokers in the C suite are laughing at them and they didn't buy the $90 mount.
I play FF14 my sub usually cost over 100$ AUD not including what I buy outside the game collecting statues, it gets expensive.
People were begging for the bruto to come back so blizz did the smart thing and charged the whales
I have spent ZERO money on ingame purchase my whole life and I was there during the Horse Armor release.
RDR2 is on a steam sale right now too, so you could buy it three times for the same price as this skin
Spending more money than a AAA game on a F2P game is fair imo. It depends on how you approach it.
If I have a F2P game, my rule is: anywhere between 20-40€ per 100h of fun. If I like the game, and I spent over 100h playing on their servers, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to spend that money. But the pricing still needs to be reasonable. If you ask 40-60€ for a mere skin, even if I played 300h of it, it still needs to make sense.
"Hey look I ve got the 90 Dollar Skin now."
"Cool."
" HELLO LOOK AT IT GODDAMN DONT YOU SEE IT ? I HAVE THE ROLEX OF WoW!!!!"
"Ok cool."
"IM TALKING TO YOU AND TELLING YOU I AM COOL !"
Thats the vibe I get when a WoW player tries to show off xD
i’ve spent so much on League and Valorant and yeah the logic you explained is the same i have. I like supporting Riot and wanting them to use that to develop new things like Arcane and at one point Riot Forge and the Other games. and if it’s through MTX it’s how i justify it. I know it’s stupid but at the same time I play these games so much and don’t feel bad at least for Riot Games
I spent more than that on drinks last night and I can literally only remember some of it
I dunno if I personally view things like statues and things you build the same way as a skin/mount in a game. Because what you are buying is a tangible thing you have in your hands, while that skin or mount can be just cut today for all we know. All servers dead, and then it is worth nothing.
On the surface, from the perspective of someone who doesn’t play WoW, this might seem outrageous and easy to be angry about. Spending $90 for an old model with a few pieces of armor and some added utilities might seem incomprehensible. It’s hard to empathize with the excitement. The advantage of having the auction house mount in WoW is enormous. It allows players to access the auction house anywhere, rather than only in major cities. Players who didn't have 5 million gold seven years ago couldn't obtain this mount with the auction house feature. For seven years, players could only look at this mount with envy from afar. Now, for WoW's 20th anniversary, this mount is available for about one-fifth of the original price, and it even comes with better specs (with an added mailbox).
The difference between a warhammer figure and this mount is that this is a digital product. They don't need resources to create each one. They create it once and then copy/paste it. Also, when the game costs $60 and then a mount that is only a miniscule portion of the game costs $90. The value feels off.
It's not the older demo. It's the whales and the people that have some sort of weird compulsion to spend what they don't have. That cuts across age.
And people wonder why devs are chasing live service...
I have an inside source that Asmongold has bought all the dinos and is starting a dino breeding business
Something physical is different. You can keep it forever or sell it. Put it in a case. Digital in game items are not forever. If the servers go down, oh well.
To be fair you own those Warhammer Models you can touch them display them paint them even play them on a table top game that mount could be gone anytime blizzard wants to take down the servers then no more mount 90$ bucks for Real Models! goes a long way.
I've been playing WoW for over 10 years. I dont mind spending some money on a game I play so much. Same with league. I have over 10k hours in these games. It's cheaper than going out. And yeah as you said. Warhammer is also another expensive hobby.
Apex Legends is selling literally multiple skins each season that are more than 3 times the price of this mount LMAO!
Legend specific heirlooms are 160€ inside of an event and outside of an event they are ~500€
Legend prestige skins are 160€ inside of an event and outside of an event they are ~500€
Unsiversal melee skins are 360€ inside of an event and outside of an event they are ~500€
It has like super utility with it having a portable mailbox and auction house on it that you can’t get anywhere else that’s why everyone buying it.
Ya that is the point. The ability to do that is nowhere near worth$90 unless you're absolutely stupid
You're part of the problem
for $90 you can get so many games on the upcoming Christmas Steam sale. Indie and AAA. save your money my dudes.
Don't think anyone who drops 90 bucks on a mount is short on cash for some 10 bucks steam games.
The biggest rebel leader boss(Asmongold) was banned. Blizz took the chance to launch their biggest shop mount 💀💀
Man, remember when we used to play games to escape into a world where our broke asses could be the ones with the coolest gear.
Now we have to be broke in game too. Feelsbadman
I've been playing WOW from day 1 release. Its my go to game and I don't want it to disappear. I'm happy that some people buy this stuff because as long as Blizzard are making money my favourite game will continue to exist. I will never buy it myself and I only see it as being an issue if you cant earn mounts in game anymore. As long as cash shop items don't replace in game earnable items then its just an extra and that's fine.
You're part of the problem
For people heavily invested 90$ is worth it for the permanent at will access to AH/Mail, scummy by blizzard for sure to exploit loyal players though
I have ZERO issues with high dollar skins and other visuals that dont effect winning. But once they start selling shit to make ur character OP, then its bullshit
At some point, there will be another scandal at a global level, as happened with EA's microtransactions, and this negatively impacted the entire industry and community. And if another scandal occurs at that level, bigger, powerful forces will step in and mess with your game and how you play.
FYI to all the poor people here, if you put $7.50 away each month for 12 months you can afford this mount.
Both MMO(mostly a casual)and Singleplayer gamer here so I do get the ppl who bought the mount and tbf its a much better investment rather than buying a fking 70$ cinematic western POS game where once I finish the game , the game rots in the corner of my hard disk with 0 FKING REPLAY VALUE.
But also see the stupidity for skins in some of these games.
Get ppl spending money on skins for games like PUBG / Fortnite / any Third person view so u can actually appreciate the skin u bought while u explore the map.
But what about skins in these moba/fps competitive games where u are playing it so hard and fast that u are bound to miss / unable to pay attention to the skin u bought in 3rd person MOBA
But ppl spending money for skins on a fking FPS games WHERE U CANT EVEN SEE UR OWN SKIN is just baffling lol & this is like the standard in all of western games which are mostly FOMO competitive when it comes to online games rather than casual ones.
And most of these MOBA players /Sports gamers / FPS guys mostly play that one game and a couple of side games at best so it's not like they are like other gamers who play many others alongside it so u really can't call their reasoning as excuses cause that is all they play and it's their money after all so Dont care much since these casuals arent the target audience for these skins or mounts but the whales are.
And casuals are like a bunch of locusts anyway who keep jumping from game to game whenever a new shiny thing comes out so cant blame the publishers for catering to the whales who actually stick around and play the game day in&out
Rather than to a bunch of whiny'pussies who love to b1sh on things they arent even fking playing at the moment.
This is why Blizzard feels no need to change or improve, because of people like this.
Hey WoW player here. So first things first. price tag? Unreasonable no arguments there. No mount should ever be the price of a full game.
however just wanted to correct you on 1 thing. Saying everyone who bought the mount spent $90 is wrong. Know lots of people who farmed for it.
Basically in WoW nowadays you can buy gold through the wow token. you spend real money and get something like 300k gold in game. This however also works the other way around. You can buy these tokens in the AH for in game gold and get rewarded something like 8$ in the blizz store. So if you have a few million gold to spare you can actually buy this for in game gold like a lot of my guild mates did.
The mount is in high demand cause its not just a skin, it comes with a mailbox and an auction house. I really don;t mind the shop...but the price tag did not go down well with me. Too high.
I do in fact have enough gold in game to buy it but skipped it. not worth it
Only 90? It speaks volume to how numb i am that the first thought i have. Blizzard is really holding back here lol
A lot of WoW players though ONLY play WoW. Some are lifers. Some play the AH as an entirely separate game. $90 for what you get is absolutely worth it for some, not at all surprised. You may even see bots with this.
"$90 for an in game 'not real' item is CRAZY, chat"
Whilst also: Beev, thanks for the 15 months bro. Doodoo, thanks for the free money, Ws in the chat!"
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I dont get how people dont realise that they’re encouraging their favourite games to become worse and worse. Prioritising selling items over actually making good games. Can’t speak on WoW personally but CoD has definitely suffered because of this
I've been waiting my entire life for this just take my money Blizzard.
“What is a good way to do skins in your opinion…” I think the truth is that there’s no good way to sell skins in a game. You should sell content, or progression that includes skins if anything (and I don’t mean battle passes). If a game is selling you skins then that’s what it’ll optimize around and if it’s selling you content then that’s what it’ll optimize around
I was going to buy the other Brutosaur for 10mil gold anyways so this is much cheaper probably only 2-3 million gold. It’s a steal
You're part of the problem
@@malekat8539 what problem? lol I have millions of gold why would I not buy it
His redemption arc☠️
casual note that most players didnt drop 90 bucks on this and bought it with their gold.
Let the lads buy what they want, it’s their money.
You're part of the problem
@@malekat8539 It ain’t my money 👍 If the consumer wants $90,- mounts/skins, I’m not going to judge or feel obligated to educate them.
@@Chris-rf6xjnah, they deserved to be clowned on. It's fun to point and laugh at their shitty financial decisions
Looks like Bobby was not the reason after all
Dang, I have not bought a skin since 2019. That was honestly the last time I saw a cool one. In general skins are just lame, the more expensive the more lame and embarrassing the player looks. I mean, charge $500 for it, why not? Devs need money, this seems like a good way to get it.
1:00 I wish that this game temtem still had micro transactions they took them all out which is great on paper but now you need endgame currency to buy all these battle passes and its a ton of that currency which is also use for tons of other stuff that I would like more than the bp which is really annoying because now I’ll never get the cosmetics because I’d rather spend the currency on game stuff instead of bps since it’s so limited