The BIGGEST Problem in ADV, Dual Sport, and Motocamping: Internet Riding Buddies Podcast, Episode 2
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- One of the biggest issues both Ben and Grace have within the adventure motorcycle world is gatekeeping - or rather - the practice of one human being taking it upon themselves to dictate who is or isn't performing an activity or a part of a community due to their personal stipulations. This includes phrases like "that's not real off road riding" or "you call this camping" or "you aren't a real dirt bike rider unless..."
We don't like it. We won't have it. And we definitely ain't gonna stand for it. Join the rant and let's put these egomaniacs in their place.
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Ben and Grace: I appreciate you so much! I’m a 67 year old guy who just bought a KTM 390 and am looking forward to some camping. Your content tells me that my desire to do this is rational and fun is possible. I’m not sleeping on the ground after 2 knee replacements! I’m working toward the hammock approach and I’m not planning to suffer intentionally so that I can be “a real moto guy.” Thanks to you, I know I’ll be a real rider anyway!
The hammock thing (my prefered camping method) certainly should be tested at home or near home first. My three-season hammock can double as bivy that has saved me about 15% of the time when suitable trees are not available.
The biggest problem is ….getting enough time off work
It’s depressing sometimes… 😢
To the point about camping in the woods alone. When i road up to banff from Portland in september, i camped all the way up and back. One of the spots was pretty rural and i had a close encounter of the human kind around 3am. I was happy to have my Lonerider portable Garagetent hahaha, so i just sat in the dark, camp knife in hand, waiting to see if theyd try to unzip the vestibule... they didnt. But, awefully stressful.
You need to put a warning on this video; my coffee almost came up through my nose @6:35 when Ben man-splained, man-splaining to Grace!
I'm happy someone realized I was kidding,. ;)
Grace had just the right subtle response with sarcasm bubbling just below the surface ... 😏 🤣🤣🤣
LOL
I totally agree with you, camp the way you want. The important thing is to get out and enjoy nature. I have slept on the cold wet ground lots of times in the past and don't want to do it anymore. I now camp in me motorhome with my motorcycle carried behind it on a lift. I can travel in comfort to anywhere I want and enjoy the area on my motorcycle. If you don't think that is not "real" camping well that is fine with me. I will still enjoy my dry comfortable bed at the end of the day. 😊
Definitely appreciate the two of you conversing as if it was just the two of you having a cup of coffees at a kitchen table. Decided to subscribe to Grace’s channel and looking forward to maybe more videos of her joining you and the rest of the gang on BDR adventures.
Anyone criticizing what you are doing, telling you that this isn’t riding or camping, can just blow it out their ass.
The person critical of what you are doing, isn’t worth listening to & the folks interested in listening to the blow hard, ain’t worth having around either.
Enjoy your bike & camps in the way that suits you best.
(I have done these things in nearly every conceivable manner & have settled up on my ride & camps, nearly identical to your method.
Ease, comfort, good meal & tasty sasparillos at the end of the day. By my measure, you got this all figured out perfectly 👍
Thank you both for your talk on this subject. My camp/ riding started in 1972. The trips vary so much in type and scope. Enjoyed everyone one of them on my old used hillbilly back yard bilt adventure bikes. 1973 crosscountry Upland, Ca to Thousand Islands, Ny and back 1st trip. Iwas hooked for life and still going. What has changed is the miles per day try to keep it under 200 but the numbers of days has increased to 3 weeks max. We are in it for fun, fellowship and staying healthy. At 69 yrs old pacing is everything. God Bless you both.
Firetruckfreddy.
Just did the AZBDR last month (Nov 23). 50 years old started riding off road 1 yr ago on a 07 KLR650. Took 6 days stayed in air bnb or hotels every night, simply because being a new rider I did not want the extra gear to have to worry about. Averaged about 20 mph, 1st day and the 3rd day were the hardest but wouldn’t change a thing. The point is to enjoy the journey and take in places you’ve never been. This is a great topic, Dork, keep up the great content and Grace you rock!
Ride to camp or camp to ride! Do it all. Camping in a Truck Camper, trailer, 5th wheel, motorhome or a tent doesn’t matter it’s being out in the woods that counts. The thing about camping on a motorcycle is that I can get to places where you can’t take any kind of RV. They all have their place.
Sold my F650GS when my son was born in 2014. I want a Transalp so bad I can taste it. I think next year is finally the year to get riding again. This content thrills me to no end because it means that the status quo hasn't really changed in nine years and there are still good folks who, if you let them, will outweigh the d0uche nozzles who gate keep and hate on you. Thank you Ben and Grace.
The f650gs is a great (underrated) road/gravel bike. The transalp looks like a good transition to more off-road.
Totally agree. I've seen a lot of similar comments about not being "a real rider" if you have chicken strips, or don't scrape your pegs on corners, or can't put a knee down. I have always had chicken strips on my tires and somehow thought that made me not a good rider. After a few years, I started to realize it didn't matter and that it was such a silly metric to worry about. Just riding the bike how I wanted really was what mattered. I always find Amanda's motto of "get out there and do the thing" pretty much spot on. It's so subjective but I love that about it.
I have not heard of chicken strips? What are they?
@@Thepotatothatchokedamber if you look at a motorbike's tires, you can see the wear mark for how far you've leaned the bike over in corners. Some people make it to the edge of their tires and it's completely worn. But if haven't, there's a patch at the edge that isn't worn.. that's the "chicken strip". Really, it's such a silly term.
Awesome episode! Loving this!
Fun story. This summer, I went on my first multiday adventure rally/event/whatever, with about 120 riders. We're all camping together, but for this pair of guys. I was kind of wondering if anyone was going to give them grief, but of the 120 riders and three days of riding, it only happened *once*, and was pretty lighthearted too.
One guy, after we'd done some 400km of trail riding on big adventure bikes, said to the guys as they're leaving to head to their hotel at night, "Ah, the princesses are off to their comfortable beds, is this too tough for you?" or something of the sort. One guy just laughed, and said something like, "Ah, sure. Well, we'll think hard about that while we're kicking back with a couple beers in the hot tub."
I watched them ride off, then went to lay down, so stiff and sore from a very hard days riding, on an uncomfortable pad over the ground.
When they rolled in at breakfast time the next morning and my.near-50 year old frame was screaming in pain, still pulling dust out of my hair, and they looked fresh, rested, clean and happy...
I knew right then that the one dude was just a moron, and these guys knew what was up. Looking at them, I'd never been so jealous in my life.
Not because that's the right way for everyone (but it sure as hell will be for me in the future) but because they did the same stuff we did - the same rides - but they did them in the way that was best for them and allowed them to experience subsequent days of riding much better than I did.
20 year old me would have loved camping then trail riding, but at 2.5x that age, it's more of an "or" thing instead of "and". Ride a dirt road and camp, sure. Trails, bike bikes? Nah. Hotels and hot tubs for me.
Just wanted to say thanks for the content. Got into motocamping, in part, due to your vids. I've been camping my entire life, but was always scared of motorcycles, or better said, scared of others while i was on a moto. Now I have 2 bikes and motocamp many times a year. Thanks for the inspiration. Helped me realize that these 2 hobbies are a match made in heaven.
I’m pretty sure 95% of people that gatekeep in the hobby aren’t the ones doing anything hardcore. They’re the people who think they’re tough because they’ve never actually challenged and humbled themselves.
I left a hobby because of the opposite. It was a video game and while it was fun to play at home after work, the kids who played it all day and took it too seriously sucked the fun out of it.
There was a guy in high school who laughed at me when I told him I went backpacking thirty five miles from home with my Kmart backpack, jc Penney down jacket and army surplus down bag. That's not backpacking! For some reason going backpacking 60 miles from home with a north face jacket, vasque boots and Kelty pack was so much more superior. More like a fashion show for those weenies. The reason I never joined the backpacking club was because of the jerks in the club. I have never needed a club to go camping.
So true. Most channels have 800.00 sleeping bags, 900.00 tents etc. I follow a guy in Pakistan who hikes and camps more than any of the other channels combined. He wears sweat pants, cheap boots tarp for a tent and just gets it done. Keeps ferocious animals away with a sling shot!
If you had a great time that's all that matters. Live life and smile as much as you can. Take care.
I go back packing every day, down to get my mail, two blocks away.
If you got a back pack, on your back, you are back packing. End of story. 👍
Ever see those photos ofthe guy under the tarp draped from the bike? Yeah, that was me half a century ago. Life's been rough on me; arthritis, heart disease, a couple bones that didn't heal quite right. I still ride, and would love to camp, but it hurts too much to primitive camp. I'll rough it in a cabin or go to a motel. Then, let's not forget those years of camping Marine Corps style.
Camping is not the location. It’s the experience. I love getting Bubba J out of the house and out into nature camping. Love your guys content and will camp how I like to make my life better.
Anyone thinking of getting into moto-camping should watch this video. A huge anxiety reducer to hear that it is OK to hotel camp or sleep in the ditch in a garbage bag. I totally agree about getting away from the hassle of fancy cooking in moto-camp. For the realistic few days most people might moto-camp it won't hurt you any to eat gas station/mini-mart food -- Tiffany tacos? If your health is so delicate that you need a strict/complete diet then bring all the stuff; most people get along fine with whatever they can snag along the road. My compete kitchen is three cans of ravioli, water, and a jug of Pendleton for snake bites. Fancy and pretty good are Mountain House type freeze dried meals or you can make them at home with a dehydrator if you need to save some bucks.
Conversation ended with Itchy Boots sleeps indoors nearly every night, nuf said....
Honestly. I spent a lot of time in the Overlanding Community, where gatekeeping is more or less of a requirement. I haven't found much gatekeeping in the ADV community yet, but in Overlanding, the issue is more off... showing up to a group page or forum, and then introducing yourself with the lines "Hey guys, I'm going camping, any cool secret spots you can share?" ... then calling everybody a bunch of gatekeepers because we wouldn't share our secret spots for their bachelor party on Friday
Perfectly said!! It's all about getting out and having fun, seeing awesome things, making memories, having a laugh with mates and meeting like minded people.....however they got there!! Best wishes to both of you from Wales🏴
Have you ever camped in a KOA cabin? It’s great when going cross country
Being out on the trail is the important part! There are so many reasons to change up ones sleeping arrangements and its way to much work to stick ur nose in to find out if it's "suitable" to the word assigned to it. My rule is sticking to time lines, the rest is on you. One point you guys haven't brought up is sharing common supplies on multi day trips. My core ride buddies all share cooking, water, trail, and tent equipment- just make sure to pre-plan who has what. Usually we double check and repack at our meet up spot before leaving town
The old adage still applies
When you point a finger at someone, there are 3 pointing back at you!
The point is to get off the couch and experience life. Not sit there and criticize those that do. Thanks to both of you.
I bought a big ADV bike last April (Tiger 1200) and almost right away I was dealing with the Starbucks stereotype. It's not a bike I'm going to single track with, so suddenly I'm a "poser". I hasten to add that this was a VERY small number of people, but I find it bizarre that this entitlement exists. I've been riding motorcycles for 50 of my 56 years, many of which were off road focused. They have no idea what I've done and what I'm capable of. At this point in my life, this is comedy. Lol
Great video, guys. 👌
I’ve ridden my DRZ with panniers and all to Starbucks a couple of times, just to get it out of the garage and give it a spin.
Is my reputation now ruined? 😂
@@DualSportDuffer among a select few, yes. Lol
@@DualSportDuffer OMG 😲 How can you admit that in public? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great discussion. I enjoy your content alot. It fits my view of how "hard-core " out doors I want to be at this age (58)and point in my life.
I might sleep on the ground in a tent one or 2 nights but a good meal and shower sounds good once in a while, too.
I got back on 2 wheels a few years ago. I currently ride a Versys 650 but I'm interested in the transalp or GS850 as the next bike in a few years.
I'd like to add I've been researching a new car /SUV.
I think the Transalp is like the Subaru Outback Wilderness.
Don't ask it to do dakar or compete with jeeps or 4runners rok crawling but it can be an Exelent daily/Road trip vehicle and get you to the campground effectively.
Thanks to you both.
Congrats on the 100000 subs and the Emmy.
Cheers from Alberta Canada
I met an old timer at the GLR 23’ that said he tows his KTM 890 to the trail with his Honda Gold wing! So awesome! Whatever works for you. Just don’t get hurt or trash the place is my opinion. There’s always some better than you and always someone looking to learn from you. Don’t be a dick!
I don't care what other people's idea of camping. You are out there enjoying yourself and having fun. Ignore the keyboard commando that is spending their day at home, thinking that they know everything. What makes it difficult for me to go out camping is having severe sleep apnea. I need to have some kind of power supply for my CPAP. Would love to hear ideas for camping with a CPAP.
Ben and Grace
The Naysayers are often not even motorcycle people at all. They are mostly just internet trolls that are on their mommy's computer. Real motorcyclists, like myself, do what is necessary to have the best time. Do I like camping? Yup. Do I like suffering? No, but it wasn't on purpose. Am I just wanting to have fun? Yes and I'll do whatever it takes. There is no "CARVED in STONE" anything on this planet, including motorcycle adventures. It could be going from home to work. It could be going away for a week at a campground with friends. It could be going on a cross country ride combining camping and hotels. Whatever makes your journey successful and makes you happy is all that matters.
Thank you Ben and Grace!
Thanks for the video. I think I can be considered somewhat proficient in "camping", having my first experience in about 1955. I'm not 72 and don't really care what others think as long as what they doing doesn't impinge upon what I'm doing. So ride up and lay down on a picnic table for the night if you want, set up a tent if you want, drive in with your (God only knows how much it cost) Airstream Motor Home pulling a Cadillac town car (yup I've seen that).
But, there is one thing I REALLY dislike. Please, please, please do NOT use that generator all F'ing night or even turn it on. The vast majority of people camping are there for some kind of experience, they are not interested in listening to their neighbours noise. And, as part of that, when quiet time comes (10:00 or 11:00) STFU. I've been pretty lucky but I've had my share of being around parties where someone decides to chop wood from 1:00AM to 3:00, where there is loud music and people "thinking" they can sing etc. Fortunately those are few and far between. Campgrounds are NOT Party Houses. Just saying.
Great video. For me, it's all about the adventure not where you camp! I have camped off gride, BLM dispersed, forest service, state parks, national parks and it's all camping. I ride a 1200gsa so bringing a little extra along to be comfortable and enjoy my adventure is no big deal. Again, it's about the adventure not where you do or don't stay.
I agree with you both so very much. We need this kind of attitude a lot more in the world. Mother Terisa said that if you judge some one you have nothing left to love them with and lord knows our world definitely needs the love.
I started riding at age 41 and I am now 42. I am turned off by the majority of the marketing, which shows young 20 somethings doing these outrageous jumps that take years of skill to build. Thank you to you and Grace for normalizing this for me!
Awesome show! Super excited for these to continue! You two seem to have excellent chemistry.
Awesome discussion. Thanks for the inspiration!
I started riding in my late thrirties and I am worried quite a bit about wrecking/getting hurt for the same reasons Dork is! Kids, Wife, Job, mortage. I don't think I'll ever get past riding like a grandma though lol
As a father and have a family the more you can get out there and gain a wide variety of experiences you'll see what your limitations are and how much you're willing to do.
I try to learn as much as I can when I get out for sure. Learned a few tough lessons along the way!@@sethruter
Your sentiment is spot on. The concept that someone isn't "really camping" because they aren't hurting and freezing is complete bullspit. I spent a year and a half living in a tent up in the Hindu Kush, but today I consider Motel 6 to be "roughing it". I'm not going to suffer or live a deprived camping experience just to gain a little approval from some complete and utter toolbag. Your ride, your career, your family. Everyone is walking their own path and everyone else needs to stay TF off it.
I don’t understand negative comments on content. We All can choose what we view.
I appreciate being able to make that choice due to your time and effort putting these together.
Got a CRF300L rally and been camping all over the place in Arizona. Looking forward to getting out to more areas!
There was a recent Science Vs podcast. They found that
Thank you for this podcast.
I will be tuning in all the time.
Motorcycling is often so tribal that it hurts the pastime!
Perhaps we should educate people on how to change the channel. If you don't like the channel, change it. Don't complain. Nobody is forcing you to watch. Just move on.
Very simple to understand: camp where you want, ride where you want, ride what you want, cook what you want, decide what is 'offroad' to YOU, use big box gear if you want, use cottage vendor gear if you want, use Amazon stuff if you want, use a 50/50 tire if you want, use a Desert H/T if you want, film if you want-dont film if you want, eat Ramen if you want-carry a cooler and cook a 3course meal if you want, carry your water from home if you want-filter from a creek if you want, sleep in a 6person tent if you want-cowboy camp if you want.
I could careless about any of that-do as you please.
There are 3 things I do care about, and I am not shy about addressing it. LNT principles.
If you poop in the forest, dig a hole with a trowel or stick, and bury it.-we don't want to see your crap.
Don't pee or poop in or near a water source-people drink from there.
Hang food at night as to no habituate bears and other animals. Habituated (problem) bears are oftentimes shot and killed.-you don't want that on your conscience.
I really like it when the two of you get together Grace is a sweet person. She has a lot of good input and I have her channel as well. I enjoy both of your Contant very much sometimes I don’t approve of it and I’ve said so but it’s all in all very good your bike comparisons your rides, your camping I am with you on all that. I appreciate what you guys do and I would really like to see more and more of the two of you doing these vlogs. Good work keep it up and we’ll see you out there someday
Really enjoyed this conversation, as a 70 y. o. 'Ducati guy' who has just done 6,000 kms on his new Transalp, here in South Australia (and has been riding since 1962). Your commentary on the judgers and critics who decide what is 'real' camping, or motorcycle riding, is timely and refreshing. These videos can be accessed from every continent on Earth, and from virtually every culture, with that huge disparity in economic means, and your relaxed conversation is well-placed in that setting.
Plus the delicious irony where Ben explains to the charming Grace what 'mansplaining' is... You both come across as genuine motorcycling souls, and the language skills and wit definitely help. As to what constitutes "real"? If you're doing it, it is real, by definition. I have slept on the ground many nights, back from many years before the expression 'motocamping' even existed, but now I am older I appreciate a little comfort, and an air mattress (that doesn't deflate in the middle of the night in freezing conditions, like the last one...) will be a worthwhile addition. The old blue foam has to go! The discussion of trying to ride long distances, on unfamiliar and testing ground, when sleep-deprived, is well worth mentioning. I'm sure most of us have done exactly that, and it is neither enjoyable, nor safe.
The only good part of 'suffering for your art' is when it is over! As you mention - the average age of most of us doing this stuff, given the worldwide economic situation, and the cost of entry, is somewhat older, with physical limitations and the sense of self-preservation setting in, and your discussion, which said repeatedly that 'this is OK', was well put.
Let's not forget that our aim is to ENJOY ourselves. But travelling by motorcycle will inevitably involve some suffering/discomfort, exposed to the weather as we are, along with the limitations of 'travelling light', and there is no need to increase this discomfort by trying to live up to some airborne marketing hype, or some tough guy on the internet. Well done Ben and Grace for calling this stuff out. There is no obligation for us to 'measure up' to anything - only to have a great time outdoors 'doing it'.
Speaking of which - another lovely day out there, and I've just changed my oil! 😊
Also wanted to add you guys need to do more of these. Just as entertaining and informative as the Revzilla Common Thread podcast and that’s saying something. Good Game Guys.
I design and build SportTrikes and I get the "real men ride two wheels" or when I get too old to ride on two wheels I will go with a trike. 99% of these people consider a good ride from home to bar then back home. The biggest negatives come from the Macho Men not the true riders. I used to do tent camping but at 72 a toy hauler and MC pull behind camper is the deal for me. I'm not a bar chaser and I value simply getting out on the road and soaking up those back roads and scenic areas mostly gravel roads. Sorry I'm no longer a dirt rider but truly enjoy your adventures. good job
Dork: are you still married? The way Grace makes you giggle makes me wonder.
I am SO glad I found you both. The first two comments I made on your videos were 100% about this!
I have tried joining 4 different ADV/Dual Sport groups online and bounced from them all because of the "gatekeeping."
I posted, "I miss the nice weather! I enjoy riding alone, but I think it would be fun to link up with a group a time or two next season."
The first 3 comments I got were, "What do you mean season?!?! It's just a day or two you can't ride. "
"If you get the right gear, there is no season."
"What's a riding "season," I don't have a "season"
They all lived in Boise. I live in Post Falls....VERY VERY VERY different climates. I promised my wife to be as cautious as possible because she has MS, and if something happens to me, I can not help her. So no, I'm not going to ride and risk hitting a patch of ice from water draining onto the road and then freezing. Not to mention, there is 2 feet of snow as soon as you are off pavement.
There was another post where a guy was super stoked about the new helmet he saved 6 months for. They used it as a platform to argue amongst each other about why his new helmet he was excited for was a piece of junk. They all made sure to mention what they have and why it is better.
I found you today and you are the FIRST ADV channel I have found where I do not see it in your videos. Thank you, but so far, I have not seen the "great" people in the 2 years I have done this. Granted I have just started to branch out and try to find people to ride with in the last month or so, but so far, it has been toxic....I hate using this word....but it has been just that.
Great work to the both of you! Enjoy the ride! It doesn't matter what you are doing as long as your upright!
The fact she has to qualify it with "I know how to camp" is exactly what you both are speaking about. If she doesn't say that, 15 people will immediately type as feverishly as possible to tell her she was doing it wrong/dangerously and make the assumption she was doing it wrong. Knowing nothing.
I’m enjoying your new podcast type outing. Grace’s enthusiasm reminds me of my sister when she was young. They even look similar.
Ben and Grace: i am 62 yo rode as a kid and picked it back up during covid. i have been intrigued by moto camping for awhile. my off road skills since returning are slim and none (and slim just left town) this video has inspired me to give it a try (not alone yet)!! thank you guys for putting this kind of content out and re-assuring those of us that are not the most accomplished riders to push our limits.
Just get out there !!!!
Do the thing ! (To quote Amanda)
There is a very wide range of camping options. Everything from a blanket, bag of chips and a canteen of water to huge rv at a state camp ground with showers. Choose your flavor. I am happy sleeping on rocky ground while my wife insists on a flushing toilet, we don't always go camping together.
Great pod cast. I love camping off my bike. Especially with riding buddies. We go to camp grounds a lot. Because it’s nice having a picnic table, fire pit, and toilet’s. It took me a few times to get used to it. But sleeping in a hammock with just a bug net above you is awesome. Watching the stars as you fall asleep is great.
Stars are the best. We slept outside without tents soon as summer hit when we were about 12 till.. crap clear into hunting camp at age 50! Nothing like it.. Beautiful...
Grace is awesome!!!😂😂😂 You guys are great.
Second comment. You're spot on with the marketing of these companies for ADV bikes. They market them like MX and Enduro bikes, which they are absolutely not. I raced MX and Enduro as a younger rider and I actually think this marketing is getting a lot of less experienced riders into real trouble on these big bikes. I got my ADV Bike Instructor Certification here in Germany a couple of years ago and about 25% of my teaching is unteaching these stupid ideas that people have in their heads about these bikes coming from the internet and marketing. It is still basically a big road bike, with tall suspension and it's very easy to get into big trouble in certain situations. Keep up the great videos.
It's ridiculous that anyone would rag on you about putting a 250 on a truck. Especially if the drive is a long way away. Not only the gas issue.. but what if you drop the bike in a way that you can't fix it in the field? You would just be stranded with a broken bike 120 miles from home. or struggling even more driving a semi-working 250 home.
Great conversation. Its a shame some folks live their life within such a narrow band of excellence. Live life to enjoy, ride your ride and drink beers at the end of the day. Giggle about the ass hats you met along the way! Love it, keep it up.
Mansplaining mansplaning! 😂😂 Any gal that appreciates the humor, or even gets the joke, is a keeper! Go Grace. His best vids have you in them. A real woman. How tare a breed.
Thank you 🙏🏻
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I so totally agree with Grace's closing remarks! 😅. So true
Cheers 🏍️🍻
Love Dork and Grace videos! Even though I have a nice little collection of bikes including V-Strom 1050 and DR650, my favorite type of moto-camping is throwing a full size mattress in the back of my minivan , putting my Trail 125 on the hitch mounted rack, and visiting state and national parks. At 65 years old, I feel no need to go fast or be uncomfortable! I sleep well, eat well, and I have a great time exploring!
I’m a 57 year old retired guy. I ride a 2012 VStrom, and I absolutely love it! Do I do trails? Heck no!! I don’t bounce like I used to. But when I go off pavement, even if it’s a forest service road, it’s a great adventure!!!!
You both are doing many things "right" with your cooperation in these videos. You share, not declare. You are not riding to impress and yet enjoy impressive riding and camping.
Timely topic and brutally honest presentation. As a note: Itchy Boots never camps out - she stays at anything from a family stay in a shack to a guest house to a posh hotel. No one in their right mind would say she is not "adventure riding". OTOH, Kinga camps out nearly 100% of the time. Go figure. And ignore the nattering nabobs.
Whenever someone says, "That's not real (insert whatever)", respond with the acronym that "real bikers" use: DILLIGAF?
I'm mid 50's, been riding since I was 6 years old, but I'm not considered to be a "real biker". LOL! DILLIGAF?
Fake people do "real" things to seek the approval of other people. Real people do whatever they want to do. Always keep it real! Live up to your own standards, not those of someone else. Most of all, enjoy doing it!
I agree with everything you two are saying except for calling dirt roads as “off road”. But my opinion on this requires context… I live in Alaska where 62% of public roads are unpaved “dirt”. I grew up and learned how to drive on mostly dirt roads so my perspective is they are not off road driving. I also drive a heavily modified Jeep in some more extreme off road conditions which also shifts my perspective some. But I can see where someone from a city environment would have a different perspective where their experience are from manicured paved road systems could look at a well maintained dirt road and think of it as “off road”. On the camping or glamping … either way it’s getting out away from the normal grind of life to enjoy something different. That’s great for anyone’s mental health no matter how one participates in that activity. And as one gets older, tolerance for the rougher less comfortable forms of camping tends to wane.
I love the discussion on when you make the largest mistakes that can injure you in a life-altering way. There are great huge studies but the basics are: on the street you peak and hold at about 3-5 years experience for decreased likelyhood of a serious accident (assuming continued riding effort) then start to taper (aka, its gonna happen) at about 10-15 years. Weirdly...the curve reverses itself if that incident is not realised after about 5 years.
The most interesting statistic NOT studied that I know of is "if you get back out there, how much more unlikely are you for second life-altering incident?"
Spot on Dork and Gal. At 79, I have more than 70 years of experience camping from primitive to fancy, more than 60 years motorcycling mostly on dirt, and occasionally, I suck at both. Except for freezing half to death, (not quite that bad) I don't remember having a bad experience camping. Just be careful the next morning when camping in the middle of the Mojave Desert on nothing but a ground cloth. Scorpions like to cuddle under there. I am back to my beginner days on the bike - slow and cautious. My CRF250 is a handful, for me in the technical stuff, so I also have a DR200S which is much easier to pick up. If that doesn't work, I can pull out my Honda CT90 Trail which will take me anywhere. On terrain that I take at 25mph on the CRF, I can do 25mph with the CT90, -- though not much faster than that on the road. I ride purely for the pleasure of riding, the scenery, and the people I meet along the way, The conflict of the media does not exist in the field, in my experience. I want to ride with you. Jim in Bend
When I was in my early 20's my friend and I would back country ski into a mountain shelter where we would spend the night. The shelter had wood stoves with ovens. We would pack in steak and onions baked potatoes with sour cream, mixed vegetables, a bottle of wine, and best of all Pillsbury chocolate chip cookie dough which we would cook on aluminium foil in the oven. The smell would drift through both floors of shelter. It was amazing. Admittedly we were being a bit evil to our fellow shelter mates. But it did shut up those who showed up with their freeze dried everything and were only too happy to preach to every one that their high tech gear and food was the only way to do the back country.
What a great pairing. Very much enjoyed the content! Keep it up, you two ✌️
If you're getting out who cares what you call it ,we all started somewhere. More power to you two
Ben and Grace. Proud trailer owner and almost always use that to take the Adv Bike to the ride location if its more than about 500 Km. There is nothing adventurous about sitting on the Autobahn in a traffic jam or just droning along for 3 - 5 hours to get to those longer rides (IMO the road is far more dangerous on a Bike than off road or back roads). I can set up a base camp at a camping ground and even not return to that base camp for a few days...its paid for so it doesn't matter. The other thing is I run at least 70/30 off road focused tires on all of my ADV Bikes, and the savings in rubber is worth it. Finally, I have had a couple of situations where having the car and trailer was a blessing when I had major damage to the Bike (rear Paralever failure on the BMW and broken valve in the old Africa Twin). In both of those situations I would have ended up taking the train back to my home, getting the trailer and returning to pick up the bike, taking at least another day of my time. None of this is to say I haven't had some multi day trips on the ADV Bikes, I just loathe riding long distance on Highways.
I agree with the concept here but I have been disappointed several times on group rides. I started riding in my 30s so I’m no off-road god but I do enjoy a good adventure. I’ve been on several trips having had the trails talked up on there awesomeness only to spend the day on dirt roads with large puddles called “water crossings” and epic climbs that amounted to a 4% grade up a slightly rutted dirt road. It’s a nice day, but if that’s your adventure then bless your heart - the world’s gonna be a rough place. In the end - to each his own. I’m just desperate for a real adventure and it’s hard to find.
[a man of quiet desperation]
I really appreciate what the two of put out there for us average riders.. prayers for the bearded grump as well.. hope he is able to ride again
I'm worried about the Grump as well! What shitty situation for him.
@@dirtcopdualsport it really is.. just shows it could happen to any of us at anytime..
@@gabrielkopp2036 yes it does! I hope he keeps his mental health up during his recovery.
@@dirtcopdualsport I think everyone that rides and all that have you tube channels feel that way..
Ppl with the gate keeping mentality, in pretty much any realm, can’t be reasoned with and I appreciate y’all’s approach of just encouraging ppl to ignore them.
I had this big long thing typed out but I realized I could just go "Right?!?" and hit all the points....
If these podcasts are going to be a regular thing, it would be nice if the audio version could be followed/downloaded on iTunes. You are both very well spoken
Our podcast is on Spotify
Ill take my ranking position in the comments as a highlight to my day. Thanks for the upload. Also, you should consider doing more reviews of moto accessories! I almost bought the Hippo hands. ✋️ 👐
I am 59 years old and I learned a long time ago to not care what other people think of me. I do what makes me happy. If someone else doesn't like it then it's their problem, not mine.
Patreon Jim (Carlsbad, CA ) here. Love the content. You provide immense value!
I would guess that some of the people who heckle in the comments about real camping and real bikes just want a youtuber to do crazy, unsafe, unreal stuff, for entertainment purposes. Here in central Ohio, the community has been pretty nice - accepting, supportive of newer riders, bike type doesn’t matter.
I’m from Australia and we don’t have bears etc, so snakes and crocodiles are the only risk, but I’ve been riding since I was 5years now I’m 55 , sometimes at older ages you need a proper bed to recharge your body, my RUclips channel is about bikes and fun “raffs adv” and that’s what matters.
Great video! About being a "real biker" or real anything. I started riding in the 70's of the last century. Most of us camped on the side of the road because campgrounds wouldn't let motorcycles in. We also camped because back then, most riders were young and broke! We couldn't afford hotels or restaurants and made due with whatever we had. Today, as a geezer rider, I can afford hotels but would rather camp. Mainly because I'm cheap and I rather enjoy camping.
I love this podcast!!! Both of you are spot on.
Wait, wasn’t episode one just released? Or am I lost in the matrix, or a time warp? 😵💫
I dropped two episodes at the same time today.
This is good commentary. You're both encouraging. Thank you. (BTW, I love Moto Camp Nerd for camping supplies.)
Grace with the mic drop at the end, haaha. Very good video and topic. I especially liked your last point Ben. I would echo it, and add, some of my first moto camping trips, were small, basic state park camping, with poor equipment, and little know how. The are also some of my favorites and most memorable. No matter where I am today, I remember back to the feeling of doing something new and, and those will always be a special memory for me. If I had listened to the gate keepers, I wouldn't have had those, and I might not be doing the stuff I am now.
This isn’t even a real pod cast. You aren’t wearing headphones……
Kidding
I seriously don’t understand why people get so hung up on what they find the appropriate level of ( insert topic here ). Go live your life and enjoy the adventure.
Best line of the whole video, "Why do you even give a shit about what someone else is doing" So true!!!
It’s OK if you ride a $28,000 “dirtbike“…?(Aa-hem GS cough, cough,KTM hack hack )but you have to sleep wearing a loincloth and make your fire with a stick and a rock.
All the fun, all the ways!
People always judge.
Great topic. This is an interesting discussion about human nature. Just in case we're thinking this kind of perspective is new, the discussion reminds me of the guys who criticized Harley riders who choose to trailer their bikes to Sturgis and then ride around. Plenty of old timers can't make a 1200 mile ride. Plenty of people have jobs who can't take 10 days off. Who gives a shit? Do your own thing.
I wonder if people would lose their shit if they knew how often I pull my 42ft toy hauler loaded with my 800DE to Southern Utah or Nevada and ripping all over trails then back to BBQ an awesome meal, take a shower and sleep in my queen sized bed.
I'm one of those people who says enjoy the ride and mind your own f'n business.
I doubt the "keyboard Karen's" will ever go away, but I enjoyed your thoughts on the subject. The yurt video alerted me to something I didn't know existed and that could be enjoyed by anyone, regardless of their transportation. I'm in the NE part of the state and I don't have the desire to ride either one of my motorcycles over there this time of year. We have even been known to go glamping in our RVs (base camp) and haul the bikes to some of the riding areas over here. It's nice to come back to after a good ride! And I don't think you have to have new equipment to have fun. You might not keep up with the newer stuff, but you can enjoy the ride just the same. Thanks for sharing and I picture Ben going over this checking punctuation and grammar. Good time to stop!!
Fear?…. Respect for me. I have had some pretty bad wrecks and the surgery recovery sucks. But I’m just 59 so still trying to grow up haha. You guys really covered the topic very well. It’s a good reminder to be a little more careful. Thanks guys it was a fun video.
PS, love having coffee with you two.
Never apologize for your content or try to defend it! Next videos should be just going out doing different styles of camping, itchy boots travels the world and stays in hotels and she is always positive never defending her content.
June 28 2023 I wrecked. It was a hot day. Didn't wear the armor. Wear the armor. I was having a great day , I had been riding on an off for 3hrs. An wanted to go to one more place. My confidence was improving. So I got comfortable. Made a right turn an went down. It's December, 90% recovered. An I hope to get back on. Want to ride some Idaho BDR. If can find some other riders that would ride with an old guy. Maybe get some training before as well. Good show.😊😊😊
Onlybeards 🤣🤣🤣
Love the mansplaining clarification. Also impressed that is was received in the manner it was intended. Well done to you both!
If you’re just starting out on motorcycle travel, go to a hotel for the first couple of trips. Then if you feel like it, try your version of camping next. Then try to do that for multiple nights. Find your “place” in the moto travel world. As the old saying goes, you do you!!!