4090 Graphic Cards are still a Problem.
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They will never admit this is a problem..
My EVGA RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 KINGPIN HYBRID has two 12 volts connectors
There has to eventually be a class action about this.
since when Nvidia admitted something 😒
Sometimes money talks. Other times it silences.
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk Absolutely
It is beyond me how NVIDIA doesnt get a class action lawsuit to their ass. This is simply ridiculous.
Just posted the exact same thing bro - How on earth this is possible is beyond me - Clearly an issue with these connectors.
NVidia buyers are sheep that's why there is no lawsuit ...
Nvidia fanbois are stupid asf they won't do it.
I don't know a single 4090 owner that actually has this issue. It's definitely user error. Notice how the majority of the damage was on the upper pins? Almost as if the side of the case has pushed the wires from the power connector downwards causing no full contact with the upper pins...
@@jamieclarke2694 FACTS it was already proven that the melting is caused by improper usage
always make sure your high power connectors are FULLY plugged in lmfao
People should start suing these companies for not honoring warranties, warranty is like a contract and any breach of contract should face legal consequences
The problem is that they pushed the whole user error narrative so much that companies are hiding behind that as an excuse not to honor the warranty.
that wouldnt fly in EU
The more you buy, the more you save
but its true! the more you sending broken cards, the more you get an discount on repair xD
What do you mean?
@@michaelhickey8376 it's what Nvidia's CEO said on computex presentation. I makes me laugh everytime I see Alex showing a box of replaced connectors
So you can get a massive discount on repairing a box full of boards😂
the more you save, the less you shave
4090 pulls like 350 to 400 watts with a small and weak connector, this is a design flaw
The specs push too much so it have very low tolerance. If 1-2 pins fails and mating incorrectly at high resistance, although it will not cause much heat because of resistance, other pins are taking more loads and get heated up, now it's a cascading failure, all pins doom to failed of 1-2 pins already failed.
My gigabyte one would pull over 500w, scary stuff I sold it because of this fear
Instead of designing the connector around the load, the consortium designed the connector first. They may have intended it to handle high Amp consumption. But....
The end of your statement is wrong - it is not a design flaw; its an intended design. Do you really think that the designer and builder of those video cards dont know their insides 100%?
This along with the fact that they dont honor the warranties fit perfectly; its greedy/savage capitalism - anything goes for money.
You can pull up to 600W on these in fact!
I'm curious if out of all the 4090s you have repaired, have you ever had to repair the same board twice?
More than likely yes
20 cards a week is crazy.😢
And that is just Alex. Imagine if you add all of the other repair shops, how many it is. Class action needs to be started.
@@jemijona the resell value on these cards will age like milk in the future
80-100 card per month 😢
I just plug and play when I purchase a new GPU. Overclocking them causes most of these melting to draw too much power, and the connectors can't handle it. Obviously, it is what's happening
Yup, alot of nerds don't know how to plug in a connector...lol
4090s will have that new house paid for in no time! 50xx will take care of college tuition.
What are you talking about? 50x0 will pave your way to retirement! 🤣
lmao
😂
You're in a class of your own. I don't know how you manage to stay above water with the work, still doing all the repairs yourself after all these years.
Once ur lucky enough to get to do what u love and get payed for it, nothing can stop u, even if u do it for free if uknow ur number 1uwilldo it.
When you do what you love, and you do it to the best of your abilities, and it pays yours bills. It can be easy to acheive that
One of the very few who gets to do what he loves every day and get paid (and paid well) doing it. Its sad, everyone should be able to have this in life.
It is problem solving everyday you are fixing something new
He's speaking in plural "we" are getting, is he seriously doing them all himself? That is impressive
Kingpin put two 12 vhpr receptacles on the RTX 3090 ti cards that EVGA produced. It seems that would be a low-cost solution to this problem. But then, it may cost an extra 8 bucks in manufacturing. I am done upgrading my system. I will only replace broken parts. The hardware vendors, esp. Nvidea, have taken all of the fun out of the hobby of building exciting new computers.
I will never overclock my TUF 4090. 400+ watts over that tiny connector is asking for trouble. I've got mine undervolted, it rarely pulls over 250watts. I think its kept me safe so far.
I did the same to my Asus tuf 4080 super. Undervolted. Temps are great and no noise during gaming. And does not exceed 225 watts in most games max.
What PS you running? I have a Corsair 1000W on my 4090. have my 4090 in a week, but this video worries the hell out of me.
Got mine 480w without issues.
@@luke7542 u just asking for it, its about time
Glad i skipped the 4090.
I have a PNY4060ti 16GB it's working fine. But it doesn't have that pwr connector.
And you think the 5000 series will be better? We don't get refinement gens anymore like we used to, where they tried to make things more efficient before just BiGgEr PoWaR like now.
Glad i walked away from ngreedia in 2002.
Im still happy with my 3090ti havent ran into anything that I need to do that it cant handle. Everyone else seems to want more more more.
I'm glad to tell you: all newer generations are going to use this melting connector
Better than factory 🏭
😂
If they admit then they will have to repair or replace... This is what happens when you have a monopoly
AMD gpu is awesome, it might not sold as well compared to Nvidia but is a better card overal if you don't want the useless features and best streaming quality in the planet
another great fix. never gets old watching your fantastic work.
First time you worked on this card January 20 2023 - Best work
I've loved Nvidia for the last 15 years, but I am so glad I picked up a 7900XTX this generation. Not quite on par with a 4090, but absolutely zero regrets!
LOL, I never go back to AMD. Last two 6800XTs crapped out on me 2 months after buying. AMD had no solution and gave me my money back. With Nvidia you get bad connectors, and with AMD bad connectors AND bad drivers.
@@Marauder1981 The drivers on my 7900XTX work better than those on my 3090 do on my main rig....
@@Marauder1981 funny I've had a reference 6800xt on a waterblock for quite some time now. Aside from fully wiping nvidia drivers and caches, I havnt had any issues. Sounds like user error, kill 2 6800xts. What are the odds?
ive run my 6800 non xt full tilt for 3 years just blastin man just blastin she a banger real
XFX swft 6800xt, no issues and drivers are fine. My buddi with the 4070 is having a harder time playing pubg and warzone than I am, he's constantly getting kicked from games or loading screens
You should publish a list of cards which you have never seen in your shop, so the rest of us can use it as a buyer's guide!
Exactly! that would be more meaningful. As an existing owner, I would like to know if mine was in the list.
Wow that should be covered under warranty
Did the customer plug it in properly?
@@rkwjunior2298im sure most of these issues is more than just connecting it properly, with how many gpus he gets
@Tsumi784 You'd be surprised how many people have trouble with simple tasks. Especially when they aren't familiar with the design change.
@@rkwjunior2298 yeah thats true, however. The 4090 uses a lot of power compared to the other 40 series cards.
@Tsumi784 hahsha Cuz it has the best performance. It's actually very efficient vs performance
Most likely, if there ever is a class action suit, Alex will be an expert witness. Great job as always. Still patiently waiting on repair pads #2 😅
You can get tea mugs with integrated heaters, that way you can re-heat the tea.
I have learnt alot from your videos sir..much appreciated
600w and 12v is 50amps on those small wires and connectors.
Yeah, better to use bus bars than using wires with connectors. Perhaps the 5090 will use two of those connectors to provide NorthridgeFix twice the amount of work!
It's overclocking that's doing it. Drawing too much power through small wiring will melt
I watch all kinds of technical skill channels, especially where the person clearly has a pride in the quality of his craftsmanship, as you clearly have. For me, it's not neccesary to have a deep understanding of the process when it is so well explained and executed.
Too much current through a single connector, it's obvious...
Either that or arching either way poor quality
When manglement scream "deadline is number 1 priority". Everything else becomes subpar, mediocre
Cards can handle overclocking, but the cords can't. Power issues.
I just built a new PC and haven't had this issue, although I don't overclock the GPU. And I have the new deepcool PX1000G 1000w PSU. 3.0. Gen 5 with the 600w 16 pin single cord 12VHPWR so I don't have to use the splitter cable that comes with the GPU..
If you don't manually overclock the GPU in MSI afterburner, I think it is fine. Just enable XMP on bios set up and you basically get a good performance anyway.
Do the replacement connectors actually hold up?
Even the factory didn't have such solders, I admire the work you do respect😊
I want Steve to adress this again, because once again, the proof is right here, yet no one else is willing to have the conversation, except these fine fellows. Even worse, some big tech tubers, have the nerve to say, the problem has been solved lol. Nvidia got y’all shook, and lying to your audience. Keep up the good work!
How and why are warranties being denied?? That is my question.
I bought a founder edition. For now it works quite well. I take a lot of care of supporting the card in the case, and plug firmly the connector, but you give me chills.
Which is the difference between the older connector and the new one ?
Watching @Philippines❤
Very good work
Great job, those joints look so neat.
What is your hot air set to, temp? air speed?
Are you able to get the newer 12v-2x6 headers marked H++ or is it the older 12vhpwr headers? Because I have a gigabyte 4090 gaming oc revision 1.0. and would like to have the newer header put on it.. I find it funny that they deny rma under "user error" and then nvidia & pci sig revised the header but never did a recall.. Why revise a hardware change if it's user error? There needs to be a lawsuit.
Does this include the new 6+6 design 12 pin as well that was suppose to fix this problem ?
Very interesting and not something i was aware of. Thanks
I have gigabyte 6800xt 16gb gaming oc version which used to fail on vram test so my friend reflow vram no more fail on test but now it green screen and restart pc when idle no load. When I play a game and the gpu is full load its fine any suggestion?
My friend did notice a darker color vram chip that looked different than the others any suggestion?
Excellent strategy Alex . Too much solder is good for 2 reasons . It will be a stronger joint and it will be cooler temp when carrying the same current compared to Ngreedias skint factory soldering . However I wonder if you used low melting point solder for the new connector. Otherwise could the same board connector be a bigger hassle to replace a year later because of excess solder??
Just purchaded one of these. Have a really scarry feeling ill be getting intouch with you in the future.
Beautiful repair.
im curious, is there any data required by the customer about how they use their cards.. regular power draw, overclocked or undervolted.. just to collect more data and cover a wider spectrum of incidents, if this will also occur undervolted?
I have an MSI 4090 that I bought a year ago. So far so good and I play FS 2020 for hours on end. I do hope they change the plug design on the 5000 series when it comes out because the connector needs to be a lot beefier.
Better than factory joints
Alex, Have you ever repaird the same connector twice? Have the new ones also failed???
I wonder is the connector you have replaced the same or is it a better non melting type of connector ?? Can it be made using a ceramic mix ??
Same... the other does not exist.
At least on these cards
Great job i love how you take pride in what you do. Sad about 4090s though problem is will it do it again or? i mean new connector gonna melt also?
The same policy against the customer as in the case of TVs, laptops... get used to it, it will be even worse :)
bro, my hope for your video is that there will be time slip footage of the process of opening a VGA or electronic goods being serviced. So your video can grow, and why isn't your boss (your father) included? because I am very happy to see the family in your company.
I enjoy videos and I'm not an electronics technician, but I enjoy watching people disassemble/repair something.
what is the best graphic card you believe it's the best so far? thank you.
I've had my MSI rtx 4090 gaming x trio for over a year with no problem still running great use a third party cable and make sure it's plugged in all the way
Does more power connectors mean less chances of melting ? Like on the galax 4090 hof ?
That work looks amazing. like little perfect pearls, gotta love the craftsmanship!
I’m so glad changed my mind and got an AMD card I know it’s not quite as fast but fast enough n had zero issues with it in a year n half
Sure RTX 4090 might be a little faster than the AMD equivalent but AMD one is just at the right spot for high end monitor refresh rate while extra few frame from Nvidia would not be visible with the monitor Amd gpu for 244hz monitor running at 244fps and nividia is 248fps for example 😂
No rtx lmao
Can anyone please explain to me how there has not been a product recall?
what soldering station does he use?
Are these cards using the included Nvidia adapter or are they using adapters that come with new power supplies?
04:00 what's the solder you mix in? Leaded or what do you say? I don't hear well.
Low melt solder
Low melt solder.
You are fantastic 👌👌👌
I have a 4090, and so far, no issues for over a year. Replacing the connector with the same connector is just buying time, it's not an updated part. I'm wondering if cutting the connector off the power supply cable, then remove the connector off of the card, then just solder the wires directly to the card... thoughts???
i have a zotac rtx 4090 trinity, with a corsair 12VHPWR connector from corsair 1000w rmx swift PSU, after 11 months of usage with games that bring the card to consume over 400W the cable is still perfect being worried about all those melting reports i decided to check the condition inside the connector and gpu and both are in perfect conditions, the fact that i attatched the connector with literally 0 tension from cable is helping to avoid the melting? or the corsair connector is just better than others
Knowledge and jokes! Love your videos.
Ugh, this just happened to my 4090. Going to send it over to you soon!
The Nvidia flex doesn't last long does it??
You do good work 😉👍
Professional bit of artwork. Leonardo would be happy.
Is there any way to secure for this issue??🤔
Why is this not happening to the 4080 super the 4080 Super OC from ASUS or Gigabyte pulls almost the same Watts as the 4090 and sometimes even more depending on the workload so its confusing why the 4090 connectors are the one melting but not the 4080’s or 4080 supers’ connectors any one can explain ?
Are these cards equipped with the new 12V2X6 connectors or the "old"12VHWR ones
This something I also want to know...
Hi, may be a silly question, but have you considered designing a heat resistant connector in conjunction with a manufacturer of the connectors, maybe some sort of heat resistant material, just a thought.
but that wouldnt solve the problem... it would propably make it worse if your connector gets really hot and u dont notice anything
What hardware engineers use underrated connectors?
Will this issue happen again after replacing the socket on the card?
This is happening to H++ connectors too?
anti-glare ligth is crazy!!!
Even with the new updated connector?? And even with the Corsair connector???
Are you also seeing issues with pro series RTX Ada?
So what is the solution to this problem? Do you just keep changing put the power ports. Do you actually modify it so it won't melt again ?
Idk, I've had my 4090 since a couple months after launch and no issues. Pretty much everyone I run into with 4090s have no issues at all. I have a suspicion for the minority of GPUs it is due to cable bending trying to fit it into a smaller case which then puts pressure on the connector but who knows, mine is a Corsair 7000D. Used the squid cable for 5-6 months and replaced it with an updated cable. Probably put in thousands of hours of gaming. Amazing GPU for being an owner myself, but for everyone else, it has serious issues broadly. It's huge and if your case is too small, the bend on the cable can be a serious issue. Someone like Zotac even came out and said make sure you aren't bending it too close to the connector.
I like the perfect process he has to change the connector, and he really gets done a very professional job. The real question here is, how long will the new connector last before it melts again after some normal use?
For soldering do you use 200 °C tin or low melt solder?
low melt
@@kingbecher1 i understand, because 200 °C io very difficult to solder in particular way for ground holes with low melt solder it makes sense.
Since you have a large numbers of 4090s, I suggest you invest in making of a tool to desolder that connector in one go, like a die or big iron head with custom places for all the pins.
You are right.
A soldering masterpiece.
I’ve been using Lian Li V2 on mine for over 7 months no problem! They do get really hot within 2 minutes upon start up. Good thing I went with Gigabyte version that has 3 Fans! Gotta keep them fans running on all the time!
I think these 4090 owners don’t have proof of purchase bc it doesn’t make sense warranty was denied
You are a master!
Thanks
that is one hell of a sexy soldering.
Where is the box you put the melted 4090 power ports?
The question would rather be, how many Boxes there are now..
I love how they are still trying to say these are just a You problem when its all over the internet. Just shows you JUST how shady million dollar companies can be. Love you man, Never stop sticking it to the man.
why did they skip the pci plug bye the way?
Holy moly that's a lot of cards 😮
Any particular brand that you see more frequently than others?
Fantastic work as usual🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Older cards XFX 4xxx series also had problems. But with crazy over heating I remember.😂
You need to get the NF Tea cosy to keep your tea hot.
Awesome job definitely better than factory
I connected a T sensor to the connecter and in Icue softwear set all fans red 60c pc shut down 70c
Great job
Watch the paolo gome, they explain why it melts, the design if the pcb was defect… it can be fix if only they use two 12v connector or modified the 12v and add additional 2x 8pin pcie
What mic you use?
Wonder if some of those connector problems come from 3rd party connectors like those custom cables you see on a lot of builds or even using adapters or extenders.
Are the connectors made by Molex or are they Molex knock offs?
I've used a lot of connectors and the knock offs are definitely not as high quality as genuine Molex.
This has all come down to bad design and refusal to honor the warranty.
The number of cards experiencing this issue has clearly demonstrated this.
You eventually reach a point where the numbers don't lie.
I bought a 4090, oddly enough the connector at the GPU didn't melt but the connectors at the power supply unit did melt.
I even bought the special cable from NZXT to go from 2 connectors to a single one so I didn't have that crazy adaptor with like 8+ connections installed.
If you have and old intel Mac Mini they make great cup warmers. No more cold tea.