One thing I absolutely _love_ about Penelope is that when Odysseus started to get angry, when the monster kicked in at her asking him to break the bed, she met him at that level. Penelope harmonized with the part of him he was terrified for her to know, basically saying, “Idgaf what you’ve done! You’re my husband! I’ve loved you for the twenty years you were gone, and I’ll keep loving you!” An absolute legend on _so many levels_
Penelope really said “I don’t give a flying Zeus about what you did and the fact that half the male populous of Ithaca are dead. Get over here, my husband, and let’s cuddle”
@@deathbykonami5487weren't the suitors the sons of the nobles families of Ithaca? I'm pretty sure the families wanted to kill Odysseus after what he did but Athena intervened
The fact that this was Telemachus' first impression of Odysseus makes me laugh 😭 got Tele thinking twice before sneaking out of home, or going out of line 😭
@@Spodermanphil I swear I felt the words in my HEART: "I am just a man who's fighting for his life; Deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife. I'm just a man..."
30:21 It makes sense for her to test him. Zeus in particular is known for shape shifting to trick women into sleeping with him, and other gods have done it too. He would not have been above impersonating Odysseus to seduce his grieving wife, so Penelope was smart to confirm.
Imagine if Zeus tried and Odysseus found out. Would’ve joined his brother in the Mount Olympus hospital with a couple dozen arrows sticking out of him like a pincushion
While that was the purpose in the Odyssey. In Epic she essentially used his response to the bed as a way to tell him he's the same person she fell in love with regardless of his actions. Her response to his anger is essentially "well only my husband knew that, so obviously you're the same man, now shut up and quit being stupid."
The reason they couldn't string that bow is because it is by means NOT a normal bow. It had an insane draw and literally only Odysseus could string it at all let alone draw it to fire an arrow. She literally gave them an impossible task.
I think as well that the idea is that there was a technique to stringing the bow. Since Odysseus is known as Athena's Warrior of the Mind more than his strength, she probably taught him how to use it. Which lines up with the 'buying you time' lines from Penelope, since she's buying Telemachus time to be trained by Athena, probably with the thought that he would return and be able to complete the challenge himself.
The bow is gift from Apollo, that's why Apollo is the god of archery and can screw any bow user, in the Iliad not a single arrow hit Hector because as the text specifically states Apollo made the arrows bend away
Odysseus didn't even want to go to the damn war. Did everything he could to not go. Doesn't lose a man the whole time in Troy. Loses everything on the way home, all just to get back to the family he didn't want to leave in the first place
The entire cast is at Itheca right now but they had Internet issues, which is why there isn’t a live stream available . It’s gonna happen very soon tho
@Arixandrine I’m shaking it’s so crazy to think that one day, almost 5 years ago I saw this random guy on my tiktok fyp yapping about a book I was currently reading for my freshman year of highschool english and been here ever since.
29:40 In the original myth Penelope did this (via telling a servant to move the bed) to check if this was Ody, but here it's also very pointed to force Ody out of his maudlin fugue and understand that she will still take him as her king and husband, no matter what he thinks
bro the hug between Telemachus and Odysseus made me cry like BRO HOW DO I MOVE ON FROM THIS ALSO YES THE ANIMATICS ADD SO MUCH TO THE WHOLE EXPERIENCEE PLS REACT TO THEM
Majority of the cast Ody himself, his parents (Ody’s mom and Hephaestus), Circe, Eurylochus, Hermes, The prophet, Telemachus, Penelope, Ares, Aphrodite, Zeus, Scylla are all in Ithaca Greece right now
30:21 the reason she did it is because Ody was trying to say that he wasn't the same person as when he left. And was essentially asking her to fall in love with him again. But by asking him to move the wedding bed and getting such an angry response she's essentially saying that since his love for her is unchanged he is the same man she fell in love with. In other words she was saying he was being stupid and to shut up because she'd always love him no matter what.
30:43 she said 7 times ''waiting'' for 20 seconds. Remembering that there were 7 albums where she waited for his return, which was 20 years in history.
to the point that every other man says it’s impossible. Ody was just a man, but he was neither man or mythical, but also he is a monster. Ody has schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder
Here is a little lore for you! The bow was the old bow of Hercules, only a warrior was strong enough and had the skill to string it, none of the suitors were warriors though considering they didn't go to Troy
Hermes was his great grandfather, likely giving him an edge on things like strength and endurance. It’s my headcanon that’s why he got a second wind in 600 strike, it’s his divine blood kicking in to keep him alive.
In the original Odyssey, Penelope says the thing about the olive tree (wedding bed) to test Odysseus if he really was her husband because Athena helped him by disguising him as a beggar before he entered his palace and killed all the suitors. But in Epic, Odysseus wasn’t the disguised and Penelope knew it was him. But because he was so broken saying he “wasn’t the man she knew and loved” Penelope used the olive tree thing. When Odysseus reacted so strongly about it, she says “only my husband knew that so I guess that means it’s you” and goes on to say “I will always love you” telling him that no matter what, whether he came back as a “monster” he is still her husband
30:21 I interpreted this less as a test for Odysseus to prove who he is to Penelope, but rather a test to prove to Odysseus that he is still her husband
@@blueberry_borbSame. I wish ALL the reactors could react to the whole stream cause it could a a good refreshers AND would be fun seeing them react to the cast reaction/partying.😂
You do realize what the point of the song is right? It's meant to make you hate him, to feel uncomfortable. Its an icky song because the suitors are icky.
After listening to that last song again, I was crying like a baby. Her telling him she will love him again... it felt like a wife telling her husband that after they returned from the war here.
Every time there's a monster in the musical, the song is named after them. In the cyclops saga we had polyphemus, then we had Scylaa. Now we have the final boss monster: Odysseus
The character(s) you’re thinking of: Hold Them Down: Antinous (Main leader of the Suitors) Open Arms: Polites Odysseus’ Son: Telemachus Yes, it is true that Telemachus had his mother, though she was not able to properly train him as Odysseus could’ve and that is why he isn’t able to fight in the wisdom saga. Yes, Odysseus leaves for war after Telemachus is born, relating to Just a Man when he compares Astyanax (Hector’s son/baby) to his own son in terms of age. In “Would You fall in love with me”, Penelope brings up the wedding bed, not only as a reference to the Odyssey (to prove that it was him), but also to really get to Odysseus that he is still the man that she fell in love with
0:18 LOL THEY ARE STARTING IT IN AN HOUR edit: (They are done and it was so great from the live Reenactment to the warrior of the mind Telemachus man was it a blast to watch)
I also didn’t cry the first time I listened to the last song, though it was close. But when I later watched the premiere, having gone through the journey once again, and the beautiful animation accompanying it, I couldn’t hold back. Everyone involved in Epic truly put their heart and soul into it, and this musical truly showcases how to use music to empower a great story effectively. It’s a celebration of art and I’m so happy I’ve been able to see it grow. I hope you react to the premiere party as well! The community is also one of the greatest fanbases I’ve been a part of! I hope Epic only continues to grow by the help of our fellow Winions! Great video! 😊
My favourite change from the original odyssey is that originally, Ody arrives in disguise to deal with the suitors. And he's changed so much physically that even out of disguise Penelope doesn't immediately recognise him. Him telling her the detail about how he carved their bed from the olive tree is what convinces her it's really him but before then she doesn't even believe he's back. In Epic she knows it's him, and instead the discussion around the bed etc. is more about him saying he's a different man and she'll have to fall in love with him again, and her saying he'll always be the man she loves despite what he's been through. It's more of a metaphorical "unrecognisable" - he became the monster but deep down he's the same man as he was when he left, and she still loves him even after he tells her what he has done and been through.
The fact we know about Oddysseus pain but thiss is the first time we hear about Penelope's, she knows it's him, and for him to come home and go: Hey, it's okay if you don't want me anymore... I understand it's so heartbreaking.
Been watching since before troy saga, a while before actually. Been through a lot since then. Lost family members that would've loved this and immediately after losing them listened to epic, it helped me through a lot. Me and my brother don't bond over a lot, we don't share interests but we love epic the musical, every release date for a saga has been exciting for me and him to talk, went through my parents divorce with this and that was hard. Epic has always been here for me, sad to see this parts over, honestly haven't stopped crying since the watch party, but it was worth it. Can't wait for the rest! Thank you Jorge Rivera Herans, for sharing this experience, this journey, your Odyssey.
I got you, Scoot! The Challenge: Penelope is singing Hold them down: Yes, it is Antinous, yes, he did fight Telemachus(the prince/Odysseus son) in "Little Wolf. " Odysseus: Fun fact! The word Odysseus is sung to open the song and to end it! Also, not knowing it was Jorge singing as Odysseus.... I'll let it slide this time. And Polites sings "Open Arms" (I'll edit this as I watch)
@SamuelMatthews-s2w No one really Hence why they were scattered about and nervous in Odysseus. But a suitor named Amphinomus did find the weapons but was later killed by Telemachus when that one suitor said "Behind you!", that was Telemachus
@@lucasbrautigam6781 Melanthus, I believe, or it was Amphinomous. Those were the main two guys who were talking in that scene. But let me check for you real quick
Oh, definitely check out the livestream/premier. All of it is incredible, and the visual artists absolutely brought it together. It’s beautiful, and tear jerking. Whether in a video or not, 100% watch them.
I freaking ugly cried, not only was the ending so sad (and happy at the same time) but I don't want this amazing thing to end. It's absolutely a wonderful project that Jorge has been working on with his amazing family, cast, and more. I can't wait to see what happens next. 😭💙🦉
I love your comparison of Captain Levi to Odysseus. That’s accurate af especially during the Odysseus song. I’ve been following the play since he started doing casting on TikTok for Calypso and Aeolus. Jorge is amazing.
Still haven't fully realized this is the last one tbh., that's just crazy Also! Definitely react to/watch the animatics as well, they add so much and bring so much more emotion than there already is. It is absolutely worth it, every time. Guarantee you'll enjoy it!
I believe that the weapons room was left opened because Telemachus had just returned from his trip, to see the palace ransacked. Because of that he armed himself and forgot to close the door or left it unlocked on purpose. I don't think Odysseus left it open, but it could fit narratively either way
That's kinda how it goes down in The Odyssey, that it was Telemachus and the two men assisting him who accidentally left it unlocked. I believe this is hinted at when the suitors are attacking Telemachus, Melanthyus or Euryphemus(?) whoever says "He's made a grave mistake, left the weapons room unlocked" But the Odysseus we know who has turned into The Monster would totally be the kind of person to set that as an intentional trap. Would love to see Jorge elaborate on what happens off camera in this act, if it's close to the original story or if he imagines something a bit different.
I find it kinda poetic that the livestream wouldn't work on Xmas eve but the watch party happened on xmas. it came full circle in the most ironic way possible.
Dude I would love for you to re-watch it with animatics!! This my second time listening to this saga and BOTH TIMES I have cried at that EXACT part you mentioned in the last song. Sum abt the instrumentals and overall delivery gives me literal chills.
Ahhh! Yes! Scoot! Wisdom Saga! Finally! I just finished the dang Saga and it was amazing! Got me teary-eyed but it is what it is! Can’t believe you finally reacted to it! Wasn’t ready for it either! 🥹🤩
The references back to the past sagas and monsters are incredible. Chanting ody’s name like the cyclops’s name was chanted, ody aiming for the torches just like Scylla did, etc
I jst finished the livestream, AUGH I STARTED TEARING UP, went searching for reactions of the Ithaca saga jst 5 minutes after the livestream ended, priorities, idc if its almost 3am
Funny enough you uploaded this around the time the watch party was getting ready to start, LMAO the timing. Yes please i highly recommend watching the watch party, the animatics and artists they picked out are PEAK. Still recovering.
First song is sung by Penelope backed in some parts by the chants of the suitors. Antinous, aka big bag evil dude, sings hold them down also backed by the suitor chants. Antinous was killed at the end of hold them down, so individual suitors took over during Odysseus, as well as Odysseus and Telemachus. I can’t help but wonder is a duet between Telemachus and Odysseus Will you fall in love with me again is of course a duet between Odysseus and Penelope.
Bro I just finished watching the livestream they did and you have to have the visuals man. It's good without, but with, ITS ANOTHER FREAKING LEVEL. Much love my dude keep it up.
I'd LOVE to see a re-listen to all the sagas, it truly listen to the whole thing in one go is a different experience, would recommend - coming from someone who surprisingly didn't cry when I only listen to this saga when it came out teared up when I listened to everything together.. :)
you definitely need to react again with the animatics. the cast of epic had a premiere earlier today to react to the whole musical and the animatics for the Ithaca Saga are rlly good :)
They are going to be doing the live stream soon and you should definitely do another reaction once it's out. The cast are actually in Ithaca right now for the premiere which is cool
I would love to see you react to the premiere section I just got done watching and oh my goodness the visuals make it so much more memorable,sad, and magical
"Then I'll become the monster, I will deal the blow! And I'll become the monster, like none they've ever known!" takes on a whole new meaning at the end of Odysseus
I think her "Test" part was almost like a sarcastic response to him saying that he's "Not the man she once knew". Well, he knew what only her husband knew, so therefore he HAS to be that man.
9:54 the song is i think my favourite from the whole saga, but the lyrics+animation from the Jorges stream almost made me barf. i love the song i hate the meaning (also "hate" in a good way, i dont hate jorges writing i hate antionous and the sutors)
Gotta remember it's been 20 years since she's seen him and he is TIRED. In the Odyssey Penelope instructs a servant to move the bed and Odysseus says that the bed is immovable due to the root of the tree it was carved in and she confirms him to be her husband since he was the only man to know that. She is a smart woman and cunning, but to also prove that, that man is not a monster but her husband truly and always.
For those confused, Odysseus spent 10 years at war with Troy, 3 years sailing before Eurylochus screwed him over (twice), and 7 years on Calypso's island, before returning home. So, 20 years total.
9 sagas we've been thinking how much Ody must love his wife to do so much to get home to her. One song into the last saga and we collectively UNDERSTAND why he needs to get home to this queen
One thing I absolutely _love_ about Penelope is that when Odysseus started to get angry, when the monster kicked in at her asking him to break the bed, she met him at that level. Penelope harmonized with the part of him he was terrified for her to know, basically saying, “Idgaf what you’ve done! You’re my husband! I’ve loved you for the twenty years you were gone, and I’ll keep loving you!”
An absolute legend on _so many levels_
That matched energy absolutely made it for me! 😭❤
She definitely matched his freak
Penelope really said “I don’t give a flying Zeus about what you did and the fact that half the male populous of Ithaca are dead. Get over here, my husband, and let’s cuddle”
Not half the male population of Ithaca. The Suitors were from neighboring kingdoms outside of Ithaca.
@@deathbykonami5487I think he meant the 600 soldiers
@ well don’t forget all the men he took to war and never returned home with
There were 3000 people in his time
@@deathbykonami5487weren't the suitors the sons of the nobles families of Ithaca? I'm pretty sure the families wanted to kill Odysseus after what he did but Athena intervened
"What does he mean by that?!"
Antinious: "let me explain. And then we'll-
So many people ask right before that and it’s so funny
“I see I wasn’t specific enough. Suitors?”
Hold her down~
The fact that this was Telemachus' first impression of Odysseus makes me laugh 😭 got Tele thinking twice before sneaking out of home, or going out of line 😭
LMAOOOO. But he grown he can still sneak out cuz his age 😂
Nah the intrumental version of "just a man" playing at the end of the last song had me SOBBING
LITERALLY I haven't cried at any moment in Epic but I felt the lump in my throat when that started. Just beautiful
@@Spodermanphil I swear I felt the words in my HEART: "I am just a man who's fighting for his life;
Deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife.
I'm just a man..."
ME TOO
30:21 It makes sense for her to test him. Zeus in particular is known for shape shifting to trick women into sleeping with him, and other gods have done it too. He would not have been above impersonating Odysseus to seduce his grieving wife, so Penelope was smart to confirm.
Imagine if Zeus tried and Odysseus found out. Would’ve joined his brother in the Mount Olympus hospital with a couple dozen arrows sticking out of him like a pincushion
While that was the purpose in the Odyssey. In Epic she essentially used his response to the bed as a way to tell him he's the same person she fell in love with regardless of his actions. Her response to his anger is essentially "well only my husband knew that, so obviously you're the same man, now shut up and quit being stupid."
@@whitenobeard Hm, that is an interesting interpretation, I can totally see it. Nice thinking.
"Alcmene entered the chat"
@@germesthegenie8574 bro would've pulled a Kratos and gave us a new saga, heck, a new musical
The reason they couldn't string that bow is because it is by means NOT a normal bow. It had an insane draw and literally only Odysseus could string it at all let alone draw it to fire an arrow. She literally gave them an impossible task.
Dang
I think as well that the idea is that there was a technique to stringing the bow. Since Odysseus is known as Athena's Warrior of the Mind more than his strength, she probably taught him how to use it. Which lines up with the 'buying you time' lines from Penelope, since she's buying Telemachus time to be trained by Athena, probably with the thought that he would return and be able to complete the challenge himself.
Telemachus can also string the bow. He did it in the Odyssey.
The bow is gift from Apollo, that's why
Apollo is the god of archery and can screw any bow user, in the Iliad not a single arrow hit Hector because as the text specifically states Apollo made the arrows bend away
Well, because Ody is 1/4 god, I think he has increased strength
Odysseus didn't even want to go to the damn war. Did everything he could to not go. Doesn't lose a man the whole time in Troy. Loses everything on the way home, all just to get back to the family he didn't want to leave in the first place
Shouldn't created the pact that caused the war to happen in the first place then.
@@qwertyasdf9290 If he didn't, there would've been war anyway. He proposed it so the men wouldn't kill each other over marrying Helen :(
The entire cast is at Itheca right now but they had Internet issues, which is why there isn’t a live stream available . It’s gonna happen very soon tho
@@etboss2002 yess 5pm est I think. I’m so excited. Knowing jay we might get a REALLLLL nicee animatic.
@@Keshonna Yep, just 40 minutes from now!
@Arixandrine I’m shaking it’s so crazy to think that one day, almost 5 years ago I saw this random guy on my tiktok fyp yapping about a book I was currently reading for my freshman year of highschool english and been here ever since.
Who do you think is doing the Odysseus animatic I’m thinking Gigi
@ same! But if not Gigi. Definitely some new talent. Like last saga.
29:40
In the original myth Penelope did this (via telling a servant to move the bed) to check if this was Ody, but here it's also very pointed to force Ody out of his maudlin fugue and understand that she will still take him as her king and husband, no matter what he thinks
Yup, it was her way of essentially saying, "you're being stupid, I'll always love you no matter what now shut up and sit down"
During Hold Them Down I didn’t know whether to bop my head or raise my eyebrow😭
Multitask you got this
Both
Both 😅
Bop with a raised eyebrow
Gotta do both 😭
bro the hug between Telemachus and Odysseus made me cry like BRO HOW DO I MOVE ON FROM THIS
ALSO YES THE ANIMATICS ADD SO MUCH TO THE WHOLE EXPERIENCEE PLS REACT TO THEM
THE FACT YOU CAN HEAR THE HUG IN THE MUSIC I SWEAR I COULD FEEL THAT
@@nyxalex8049 IKR ITS SO VIVID
Majority of the cast
Ody himself, his parents (Ody’s mom and Hephaestus), Circe, Eurylochus, Hermes, The prophet, Telemachus, Penelope, Ares, Aphrodite, Zeus, Scylla are all in Ithaca Greece right now
PENELOPE GOT THERE IN THE END??? last i heard her flight had been cancelled 😭❤️🩹
18:30 "i swear i didnt know he was Odysseus"
Wait 'till we tell him about who voices odysseus' mom and Hephaestus
We should
and the princess winion
He knows from the Wisdom Saga video.
30:21 the reason she did it is because Ody was trying to say that he wasn't the same person as when he left. And was essentially asking her to fall in love with him again. But by asking him to move the wedding bed and getting such an angry response she's essentially saying that since his love for her is unchanged he is the same man she fell in love with. In other words she was saying he was being stupid and to shut up because she'd always love him no matter what.
Someone said that he askes if she would fall in love with him again, and she responded with "HOW DARE YOU, BELIEVE I EVER STOPPED"
30:43 she said 7 times ''waiting'' for 20 seconds. Remembering that there were 7 albums where she waited for his return, which was 20 years in history.
I like how Odys old bow has such a high draw weight that none of the suitors can even string it, truly he is a different beast.
to the point that every other man says it’s impossible. Ody was just a man, but he was neither man or mythical, but also he is a monster. Ody has schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder
Rawr rawr rawr
Here is a little lore for you! The bow was the old bow of Hercules, only a warrior was strong enough and had the skill to string it, none of the suitors were warriors though considering they didn't go to Troy
Hermes was his great grandfather, likely giving him an edge on things like strength and endurance. It’s my headcanon that’s why he got a second wind in 600 strike, it’s his divine blood kicking in to keep him alive.
@HollywoodandWine101 one of my favorite animatics showed hermes giving him his slippers
Jorge is actually a big fan of anime so it's not shocking at all to draw parallels from anime tropes in the musical
In the original Odyssey, Penelope says the thing about the olive tree (wedding bed) to test Odysseus if he really was her husband because Athena helped him by disguising him as a beggar before he entered his palace and killed all the suitors. But in Epic, Odysseus wasn’t the disguised and Penelope knew it was him. But because he was so broken saying he “wasn’t the man she knew and loved” Penelope used the olive tree thing. When Odysseus reacted so strongly about it, she says “only my husband knew that so I guess that means it’s you” and goes on to say “I will always love you” telling him that no matter what, whether he came back as a “monster” he is still her husband
The back ground chants are saying "Ody- se-ues" Like how the names of the Cyclops and Poseidon were chanted in Polyphemus and Poseidon.
And the same way Polyphemus, Scylla and Charybdis... Odysseus gets his own name as the title of a song, like all the monsters he fought to get back
And like Scylla, he aimed for the torches.
Yep@@Tennishangman
And the last chant of that is similar like the last chorus in No Longer You (yk those lines that are like mini spoilers haha)
Bro got the Sephiroth boss music treatment ...
30:21 I interpreted this less as a test for Odysseus to prove who he is to Penelope, but rather a test to prove to Odysseus that he is still her husband
10:05 that comment was about a parody of this song where Antinous sings about making telemachus a cake and party for his birthday
I love that parody song so much dude XD
We need Ayron to sing that parody
In my headcannon that parody happened years earlier, which might make antinous even worse now that I think about it.
Just came from the streamed premier. You DEFINITELY need to watch it
For that matter, can you by any chance react to the ENTIRE musical, including the last one? It's a nice refresher
@@blueberry_borbSame. I wish ALL the reactors could react to the whole stream cause it could a a good refreshers AND would be fun seeing them react to the cast reaction/partying.😂
@@adamharith782 Yesss it was such a bonus highlight lol
@@blueberry_borb Baby Mico getting push down was my highlight for Troy Saga.
God, why does Hold Them Down have to be so good?! I don’t want to be caught humming and singing it.😭
I just stop before the Penelope part. It goes too hard for what its about 😭😭😭
Hold Them Down goes way to hard but that's because Ayron Alexander voice who voices Antinous is just awesome
i only know alexander ayron 😂 but yeah he and the crew did amazing job
This saga had me SOBBING at 12am and CAST PARTY COMING OUT IN 45 MINUTES
SAMEEE I WAS SOBBING AT THE CAST PREMIERE 😭😭
Wow.. that was so stunning... i guess you could say it was
EPIC
I made that same comment when I reacted with friends lmao
@Ignis930 twinn where have u beeeen
Fr with each wailing of waiting, you can just feel the 20 years of grief and want go by like DAMNNN
I cry every time I hear the WAITING WAITING for youuuu omfg 😭😭
YES SCOOT. WE WANT TO SEE YOU REACT TO THE ANIMATICS.
Hold Them Down is good in theory but we have to listen to Antinous unleash his inner Diddy 😭
Bro I feel so conflicted I wanna love it but It feels so wrong
Gonna need like a radio edit where he does everything but that ending verse and then include the last chorus at the end lmao
You do realize what the point of the song is right? It's meant to make you hate him, to feel uncomfortable. Its an icky song because the suitors are icky.
Inner Diddy is crazy
@@Sketch_3003 yeah, i get it. that doesn't change the fact that it can be difficult to listen to
Calypso: i could fix him
Penelope: Oh yeah? Well i can accept him as he is. The atrocities are a part of him and I decided they're hot.
After listening to that last song again, I was crying like a baby. Her telling him she will love him again... it felt like a wife telling her husband that after they returned from the war here.
Every time there's a monster in the musical, the song is named after them. In the cyclops saga we had polyphemus, then we had Scylaa. Now we have the final boss monster: Odysseus
Rip
Guess Poseidon wasn’t monster enough to get a song named after him
@@thephoenixdevil4817 He’s different from the monsters because he’s a god. He’s above their station even if Ody beat the breaks off him.
Also Charybdis
The character(s) you’re thinking of:
Hold Them Down: Antinous (Main leader of the Suitors)
Open Arms: Polites
Odysseus’ Son: Telemachus
Yes, it is true that Telemachus had his mother, though she was not able to properly train him as Odysseus could’ve and that is why he isn’t able to fight in the wisdom saga.
Yes, Odysseus leaves for war after Telemachus is born, relating to Just a Man when he compares Astyanax (Hector’s son/baby) to his own son in terms of age.
In “Would You fall in love with me”, Penelope brings up the wedding bed, not only as a reference to the Odyssey (to prove that it was him), but also to really get to Odysseus that he is still the man that she fell in love with
0:18
LOL THEY ARE STARTING IT IN AN HOUR
edit:
(They are done and it was so great from the live Reenactment to the warrior of the mind Telemachus man was it a blast to watch)
aHHH ITHACA SAGA IS SO PEAK?!!!!! i would love if you reacted to the animatics that are coming in jorge's livestream today 😭😭
"Odysseus" is the best song, prove me wrong.
My fav is the southern sounding villian his voice is so perfect
Ngl Hold Them Down is my favourite but Odysseus is a close second
@@SamuelMatthews-s2wsouthern?
@@juliebean940 yeah it was the guy who was like "BROTHERS WE'VE GOT COMPANY AND HES MADE A GRAVE MISTAKE"
They actually went to Ithaca, Greece and had some difficulties. The livestream is up as of now they are currently live :)
Absolutely do the animatics!! We'll watch along for sure!
I also didn’t cry the first time I listened to the last song, though it was close. But when I later watched the premiere, having gone through the journey once again, and the beautiful animation accompanying it, I couldn’t hold back. Everyone involved in Epic truly put their heart and soul into it, and this musical truly showcases how to use music to empower a great story effectively. It’s a celebration of art and I’m so happy I’ve been able to see it grow. I hope you react to the premiere party as well! The community is also one of the greatest fanbases I’ve been a part of! I hope Epic only continues to grow by the help of our fellow Winions! Great video! 😊
My favourite change from the original odyssey is that originally, Ody arrives in disguise to deal with the suitors. And he's changed so much physically that even out of disguise Penelope doesn't immediately recognise him. Him telling her the detail about how he carved their bed from the olive tree is what convinces her it's really him but before then she doesn't even believe he's back.
In Epic she knows it's him, and instead the discussion around the bed etc. is more about him saying he's a different man and she'll have to fall in love with him again, and her saying he'll always be the man she loves despite what he's been through. It's more of a metaphorical "unrecognisable" - he became the monster but deep down he's the same man as he was when he left, and she still loves him even after he tells her what he has done and been through.
The fact we know about Oddysseus pain but thiss is the first time we hear about Penelope's, she knows it's him, and for him to come home and go: Hey, it's okay if you don't want me anymore... I understand it's so heartbreaking.
I was absolutely in tears last night when it came out, like it was perfect.
8:17 The main guy singing is named Antonius and he's the first of the suitors Odysseus kills.
Anyone else notice the melody from just a man at the end?
I've been waiting for someone to point it out
16:53 " *i see a man who gets to make it home alive... But it's no longer you* "
Poor Telemachus can't catch a break, he's never done anyone wrong but all these dudes with grudges against his dad want him dead tears 😭
Been watching since before troy saga, a while before actually. Been through a lot since then.
Lost family members that would've loved this and immediately after losing them listened to epic, it helped me through a lot. Me and my brother don't bond over a lot, we don't share interests but we love epic the musical, every release date for a saga has been exciting for me and him to talk, went through my parents divorce with this and that was hard. Epic has always been here for me, sad to see this parts over, honestly haven't stopped crying since the watch party, but it was worth it. Can't wait for the rest!
Thank you Jorge Rivera Herans, for sharing this experience, this journey, your Odyssey.
I got you, Scoot!
The Challenge: Penelope is singing
Hold them down: Yes, it is Antinous, yes, he did fight Telemachus(the prince/Odysseus son) in "Little Wolf. "
Odysseus: Fun fact! The word Odysseus is sung to open the song and to end it!
Also, not knowing it was Jorge singing as Odysseus.... I'll let it slide this time. And Polites sings "Open Arms"
(I'll edit this as I watch)
Who was the sutor that took over after antious died
@SamuelMatthews-s2w No one really Hence why they were scattered about and nervous in Odysseus. But a suitor named Amphinomus did find the weapons but was later killed by Telemachus when that one suitor said "Behind you!", that was Telemachus
@@Sonora-x9lwho’s the suitor who ordered everyone to go after Telemachus?
@@lucasbrautigam6781 Melanthus, I believe, or it was Amphinomous. Those were the main two guys who were talking in that scene. But let me check for you real quick
@@lucasbrautigam6781 Okay, I just checked. It was indeed Melanthius as Amphinomus got stabbed/killed by Telemachus
Oh, definitely check out the livestream/premier. All of it is incredible, and the visual artists absolutely brought it together. It’s beautiful, and tear jerking. Whether in a video or not, 100% watch them.
I freaking ugly cried, not only was the ending so sad (and happy at the same time) but I don't want this amazing thing to end. It's absolutely a wonderful project that Jorge has been working on with his amazing family, cast, and more. I can't wait to see what happens next. 😭💙🦉
I love your comparison of Captain Levi to Odysseus. That’s accurate af especially during the Odysseus song. I’ve been following the play since he started doing casting on TikTok for Calypso and Aeolus. Jorge is amazing.
Still haven't fully realized this is the last one tbh., that's just crazy
Also! Definitely react to/watch the animatics as well, they add so much and bring so much more emotion than there already is. It is absolutely worth it, every time. Guarantee you'll enjoy it!
I believe that the weapons room was left opened because Telemachus had just returned from his trip, to see the palace ransacked. Because of that he armed himself and forgot to close the door or left it unlocked on purpose. I don't think Odysseus left it open, but it could fit narratively either way
That's kinda how it goes down in The Odyssey, that it was Telemachus and the two men assisting him who accidentally left it unlocked. I believe this is hinted at when the suitors are attacking Telemachus, Melanthyus or Euryphemus(?) whoever says "He's made a grave mistake, left the weapons room unlocked"
But the Odysseus we know who has turned into The Monster would totally be the kind of person to set that as an intentional trap. Would love to see Jorge elaborate on what happens off camera in this act, if it's close to the original story or if he imagines something a bit different.
I find it kinda poetic that the livestream wouldn't work on Xmas eve but the watch party happened on xmas. it came full circle in the most ironic way possible.
Dude I would love for you to re-watch it with animatics!! This my second time listening to this saga and BOTH TIMES I have cried at that EXACT part you mentioned in the last song. Sum abt the instrumentals and overall delivery gives me literal chills.
Ahhh! Yes! Scoot! Wisdom Saga! Finally! I just finished the dang Saga and it was amazing! Got me teary-eyed but it is what it is! Can’t believe you finally reacted to it! Wasn’t ready for it either! 🥹🤩
Yess 100% please react again to the animatics
The references back to the past sagas and monsters are incredible. Chanting ody’s name like the cyclops’s name was chanted, ody aiming for the torches just like Scylla did, etc
SOB, live just ended. Who else is from there?
ME 😭😭😭
Me, I'm sobbing 😭
Oh I was foaming at the mouth for this one 🥹
I jst finished the livestream, AUGH I STARTED TEARING UP, went searching for reactions of the Ithaca saga jst 5 minutes after the livestream ended, priorities, idc if its almost 3am
As someone who listened to it first and then saw the animatic, defo watch the livestream. It's a whole other level.
17:09 that's because Ody is using the tactics he learned from monsters
Funny enough you uploaded this around the time the watch party was getting ready to start, LMAO the timing. Yes please i highly recommend watching the watch party, the animatics and artists they picked out are PEAK. Still recovering.
did you hear Christopher Nolan is adapting the Odyssey (the story this musical is based on) into a movie releasing in 2026??
I heard about that
The animatics will release today (they had technical issues in Ithaca) and yes yes yes please react to them too!
the AOT reference is WILD but valid af, i feel like Levi and Odysseus would get along if they had ever met.
First song is sung by Penelope backed in some parts by the chants of the suitors.
Antinous, aka big bag evil dude, sings hold them down also backed by the suitor chants.
Antinous was killed at the end of hold them down, so individual suitors took over during Odysseus, as well as Odysseus and Telemachus.
I can’t help but wonder is a duet between Telemachus and Odysseus
Will you fall in love with me again is of course a duet between Odysseus and Penelope.
We absolutely want a relisten!! There is no much more to notice that you miss when you just listen to it once🎉
Im here after seeing the animatics and you have to watch them scoot im crying they were so so good 😭😭😭😭
Bro I just finished watching the livestream they did and you have to have the visuals man. It's good without, but with, ITS ANOTHER FREAKING LEVEL. Much love my dude keep it up.
I was sobbing the last 2 songs lol Penelope’s voice is so beautiful
I'd LOVE to see a re-listen to all the sagas, it truly listen to the whole thing in one go is a different experience, would recommend - coming from someone who surprisingly didn't cry when I only listen to this saga when it came out teared up when I listened to everything together.. :)
you absolutely have to react to the animatic! less than an hour and the live starts ✊
Just a Man in the back freaking got me
Same, started bawling.
you definitely need to react again with the animatics. the cast of epic had a premiere earlier today to react to the whole musical and the animatics for the Ithaca Saga are rlly good :)
They are going to be doing the live stream soon and you should definitely do another reaction once it's out. The cast are actually in Ithaca right now for the premiere which is cool
the "test" wasn't to prove it to herself but to prove to ody that he IS still the man she married.
Just came here right after the premiere.
MERRY CHRISTMASSS
I would love to see you react to the premiere section I just got done watching and oh my goodness the visuals make it so much more memorable,sad, and magical
YES, absolutely react to the animations or even the livestream (the part with the last saga) PLEASE!! :'D
"Then I'll become the monster, I will deal the blow! And I'll become the monster, like none they've ever known!" takes on a whole new meaning at the end of Odysseus
Did anybody else hear Just a Man on trumpets at the end of Would you love me agian
Yes please do another video watching the animatics!
I think her "Test" part was almost like a sarcastic response to him saying that he's "Not the man she once knew". Well, he knew what only her husband knew, so therefore he HAS to be that man.
there's a live stream on jorge's channel where there are animatics, you'd have to skip to the end to find the Ithaca saga though
9:54 the song is i think my favourite from the whole saga, but the lyrics+animation from the Jorges stream almost made me barf. i love the song i hate the meaning (also "hate" in a good way, i dont hate jorges writing i hate antionous and the sutors)
This was my exact reaction. Love the song hate the words but in a.... God this is a vile villan way not Jorge is bad
8:56 reading mein kampf and shaking my head the whole time so everyone on the bus knows i disagree
Gotta remember it's been 20 years since she's seen him and he is TIRED. In the Odyssey Penelope instructs a servant to move the bed and Odysseus says that the bed is immovable due to the root of the tree it was carved in and she confirms him to be her husband since he was the only man to know that. She is a smart woman and cunning, but to also prove that, that man is not a monster but her husband truly and always.
how this guy managed not to tear up at the very least is a mystery to me
4:18 the ''waiting'' line had me crying
the animatic for would you fall in love with me is amazing they hug and it spins and it's so beautiful
I Love your videos and YES PLEASE do another reaction with the animatics
Live stream is up, And The crew is already working.
“THE CAPTAIN WORKS QUICK, BUT THE CREW WORKS FASTERRRR!”
YOOOOO MERRY CHRISTMASSSS 🎄
The way I can back from the live stream just to see your reaction
For those confused, Odysseus spent 10 years at war with Troy, 3 years sailing before Eurylochus screwed him over (twice), and 7 years on Calypso's island, before returning home. So, 20 years total.
9 sagas we've been thinking how much Ody must love his wife to do so much to get home to her. One song into the last saga and we collectively UNDERSTAND why he needs to get home to this queen