Your skills are amazing, I love your work and both welding skills and wood work skills are top notch. I wish you all the success, and I hope people will see your work and filming skills, because your channel deserves to be recognized and loved by much more people. Keep up your awesome work and love for your boat and van. Thanks from Martin from Norway 🇳🇴
Hi Martin!! What an aweseome comment to wake up too! Thanks so much for your support, it makes a huge difference to us! - hopefully you like the next video, we’re a bit nervous putting it out as it a about the van, we’re hoping it’s received ok as it’s traditional steam bending boatbuilding skills 🤞
As an owner of an aluminum Ex BOC Division 2 single handed masthead cutter, now sailed for fast cruising. I can say with experience of her I really like your FIND to my eye it is really well build and a great project to invest in. I think your very lucky to have found such a nicely build hull. your going to have lots of fun building and sailing her one day. SV Skoiern IV
My grandfather built boats for Camper Nicholson & I grew up in Hamble, so I’ve been around boats & yachts all my life. Absolutely love the craftsmanship & attention to detail you guys are putting into your projects. Chapeau 👏🏼
Woa, congratulations! After a few months of teasing, it finally revealed what the aluminium project boat is. The KM 39C is an epic hull. Well done! I am very much looking forward to your journey. Please share all you can. Thanks!
For sure we will be sharing it and thanks! The journey has started with the van but we will try to keep the videos as boat orientated as we can because let’s face it.. we’re all boat people here! Thanks so much for your kind words!!
@SailHub Yes!!! I recently bought the french Renault cousin of your german Porche a "Patago 39". It's less fancy but very similar also 1 of 3 that I know off. The plan is to sail it this summer back to Belgium for a major electrical refit this winter. I'd love to also gradually upgrade the interior over time. Your content and the knowledge you share will be very beneficial!
@XArthieX that sounds amazing.. just did some Googling, very different boats here but man, she looks ready to take on a war at sea. I dare say she will stand up to more than ours, looks like a really really good sea going vessel right there! Sounds like a great plan too, be sure to let me know if we can help with anything, may even see you at some point, we will be driving up and down a bit and our ferry drops us in Amsterdam.
Having just rented a campervan for the first time (and loved it) - and searching for our first sailboat, stumbling across your channel on RUclips is absolutely perfect. Looking forward to seeing your progression on the van and the boat.
Loving the journey and the goals. We are on a low budget sustainable journey working towards a nearly fully electric refit of a 1977 Rival 38 centre cockpit ketch.
Great start to a new adventure! I'll be following along for sure. Getting a bare hull from Switzerland to Scotland is an adventure in itself. I think you mentioned the French canals, but the Rhine is also navigable from the Swiss border at Rheinfelden all the way to Rotterdam. A 20hp outboard on an improvised bracket, plug some holes, a bit of ballast and away you go. Best of luck from Pete in Wanaka, New Zealand.
Hey Pete! Thanks man, yeah… we’re in the same page mate! Probably because I used to live in the same town as you! What a place! Thanks for the support! Cheers, Chris 🙌
RUclips made a great suggestion at last! Nice project, I have an aluminium Koopman 35 from 1982 with wooden topsides and interior, no idea who built it though. Being in Spain the issue becomes getting materials and finding the skills to do the work I cannot do. Previously I worked for VT, Pendennis and ANT which took me to Blohm & Voss and Lurssens as a Marine Electrician / Electronics technician and having spent time working on a wide variety of small craft and super yachts I know good design and workmanship when I see it. I'm imagining your project will be a cross between Sampson Boat co. and Distant Shores, so my only advice is "Keep It Simple" as I can see you are already very quality minded.
Hi, how nice to hear this, such compliments! I really hope we can live up to this! Sounds like quite the adventure you have been on! Koopman’s are just wonderful boats! Super lucky there chap! As for our plan, we don’t really do simple, it’s just not in the genes… but, we’ve struggled to enjoy a lot of sailing for to working on things so this time we’re gonna make sure we get the sailing and traveling in. The quality can wait sometimes I guess!
Maybe not relevant, but I went fishing on a de-commisioned Brittish mine sweeper named the Admiral out of Morrow Bay. All alluminum boat was the loudest vessel I've ever been on. Sounded like a city bus. But I did catch 4 albacore in the 40lb range, so it was a win, but holy crap what a loud boat.
For sure, they are noisy as hell! We have a plan though, and we are testing it on the van, it’s the cork you see sprayed inside. It’s very common in metal boats and seems to work really well! Sounds like an epic days fishing too by the way!
I've seen the ad for this hull online when searching for alu yachts myself. I am excited to see it on RUclips and that you will document the built process! Really interested in your interior design but mostly happy it will be done by some skilled people. Often you see some weird or low quality interior when done by the owners themselfs which is a shame for such an expensive yacht. Best of luck with this amazing project and thank you for documenting the process!
Hey, thanks! We’re really looking forward to the build. I tho k the trick is to make sure we know what we want t before we start the interior. Great to hear you think we know what we’re doing! Time will tell 😂👍⛵️
I'm the first time on the channel and really excited to see the next episode. Huge project and I really like this switching between woodworking and metal craft in this video.
Ah thanks for joining! Yeah, there plenty more to come, can’t wait to get on with the van… we have so much planned for it but really I just want to get onto the boat! Great to get back on the tools again. -Chris
When I saw this beauty on the thumbnail I knew we'd be in for a treat. Can't wait to see the whole project, van included. I'm personally hoping to find a hidden gem like this but a cat instead. I'm sure I can learn a lot from your journey.
Ah thanks! Yeah, it took us years to find something that was right for us at the right price too. I’m sure something will come up for you, keep your eyes peeled and do t rush into something you don’t reply want! As for learning from us… goodness, don’t put the pressure on! But on. Serious note, just ask if you think we can help, we’re on Insta too if you want on the job content.
Funny, the youtube algorythm suggested your video to me, probably because I am following RAN sailing. But I basically just got off the boat you took the measures of the keel from. We have sailed her from the Orkneys to Bergen in Norway. Congrats, she is ging to be a great and fast yacht.
Wahey! One of the Panta Rhei crew. So cool! I would love to hear from you and find out more about your Sail. Pretty epic! I wish I could have been with you guys! 👍
Hey! Thanks fella! Much appreciated. Man.. I have a strip planked canoe to finish building that you have just reminded me of. Gotta love a kayak mine, your all nuts! Hope our videos keep you entertained,
One consideration is to conclude if its saltwater aluminum, there were a lot of boats made without this rating that suffered fatal oxidtion/electrolysis issues
Hi congratulations for the Alu boat. This one of Berckmeyer’s design which I am building now BM43 in Istanbul. It was on sale around 65k which I could buy but existing project soaks my cash😊. Good luck one of best designs in her class, 🤞🏻💞
Hi, is it worth you trying to contact the designer, Martin Menzner from BM yachts. I would have thought he could supply the CAD file for the bulb. Mind you I had a very poor experience with him, so now going with another aluminium yacht designer. All the very best wishes to you for the completion of the BM. I will look forward to each episode with the progress. M
@helmsman141 thanks for the help, yeah we tried that as our first port of call…. Several emails, messages and no answer. Sadly we’ve not heard much good regarding communication from him which is a shame as the boats have a great sailing reputation. I got all of the CAD from Gaastmeer who supply KM with the cut panels for the build - they were super helpful. Anyhow, we did some scans of the 1st German 39 and we have a CAD hero working on them for us, so far it look promising 🤞 Great to have you in the journey with us and thanks again! 👍
@@SailHub hi thanks for reply. I have tons of material to be posted but I have so many other stuff I only focus to finish the boat. I work 13-14 hours a day with two profies carpenter and paint guy. I am planing to start on posting on Instagram. I am following you, happy to share my experiences
@@SailHub I have 3D model of the torpedo for the kell actual weight would be 2300kg, maybe bit heavy for your project but if you need happy to send it.
very good case, I looked at it a few years ago, but didn’t buy it because it was too far and expensive to transport. I will be watching your progress. Good luck
Hey up guys! Great to hear from you!! Cheers, we’re pretty stoked mind. Mind you, we got a lot to learn from guys like you… gotta catch up again at some point! If you ever make it home that is! Given the survival suit I saw you in I presume your thinking of crossing soon?
Thanks John, great to have you on board, the vans coming on well. We will have a couple of videos on that soon. Not sure what’s happening in the boat but I know whatever it is I want to test my skills a bit! The vans a great place for me to get inspired again!
You could of made a plaster and glass mould of the other bulb ,25 - 50 mm thick would have been enough then thicken it up when you got home. this would have given it some drying time as well . i have made bulbs using this method before and it works . mixing the plaster and raw glass no resin just allow time for all the moisture to be gone . then place the mould in a sand bed for pouring . anyhow that's a great looking boat you have found , looking forward to see it being finished off. Cheers from a Aussie viewer living in Norway.
Great idea that! Wish we had thought of it 👍 We got by in the end with technology which is unusual for me! Still, it was a super cool learning process, fingers crossed it works out though! 👍
omg . what a project !! you guys are amazing and what a beuatiful shape the yacht is to begin with !! and to top it of you doing another van build too , seriously amazing i would love to help , me getting an old 55 year old snapdgranod 24 engine running and sailing dont even compare am humbled lol
Thanks man, we’re all just faffing with boat here fella! It’s all the same and it’s important to help each other along the way so thanks for standing by us!
@@SailHub Aluminum is a clear trend among leading youtubers. You bring something different within this trend. We look forward to learning from your woodworking skills, as well as your extensive knowledge of all the boating equipment. Van life is the cherry on the cake!
@@cyrilvermeil thanks for that Cyril. I hope we can deliver! I think having been in the industry quite a while we have dealt with a lot and seen many views over the years. I don’t want say what’s best for who, just lay it on a plate for people to make their own descisions. There are reasons for all designs, materials and equipment and we intend to point out giver best usage along our journey. I guess what I’m saying is we want to remain factual as opposed to opinionated. As for the woodwork, we will be doing all sorts of it in the future but the boat fit our probably won’t be what be expect! 😉…. What I know is that it will be a good test of my skills I’m sure!
super keen to watch how you get on and the decisions you make! were about to start an electric ali cat on a tight budget soon. love your channel as it is and now extra love! :D
An exciting & demanding project. I will certainly follow along. I do hope you have worked out the tax implications of importing the boat from Switzerland. I know the can be pretty complicated and costly. Good luck
Hey Bertie, great to have you join us! Thanks! The tax…. Urgh… there’s a thing. It’s an open ended question, we’ve spoken to all of the relevant people who were actually brilliant. As in really brilliant. Basically we give them the price paid and pay the tax on it, unless of course they bekive I were taking them for a rid and then it’s to market value… I think that’s fair really, they have got to stop fraudulent behaviour 🤷♂️🤞
There’s a boat builder in Australia , fabricating with aluminum . Yeh lots of boat builders, but the work they do is immaculate and fast. They use spool guns, and simple tools. Work is first rate, and fast. Tim Turtle ? Aluminum boat build time lapse.
Really interesting project - I have a similar boat (not ali) that was made by the last owner. I had a blank canvas too, but nothing like what you guys have in front of you! Best of lucjk. BTW nice camerawork/editing
Glad I found this, lets get the Leo crowd over here since he has finished his boat now! This looks fantastic project and incredible project to follow. Great success! Subscribed!
Thanks for that! It would be well cool to get the Tally Ho bunch here!! Big shoes to fill mind!! Let’s see how we get on with the van build as a taster! Next one’s up tonight, can’t wait to be on with the boat soon!!! 👍 thanks for subscribing!
This just popped up in my feed - I’m a uk-based sailor, occasional superyacht race crew, woodworker and Tally Ho patron - you guys got an instant subscribe!
If I am not mistaken the hull was offered by KM some time ago, I recommended it to some friends. Interesting that it is popping up again. Think carefully about where you want to continue building, transportation to the canals is also expensive. I have built a Reinke 13M myself in ten years and a closed hall would save you a lot of time. Try to make contact with a foundry to cast the lead, we were admitted there during the company vacations with a casting master. Unfortunately, my advice sounds schoolmasterly; I can understand your enthusiasm. Good luck in anticipation of further contributions, cheers
Hey, yeah your right… it was sold during covid and got layer up since, it’s a long story and we’re glad to be building her. As for your advice, it’s not school master like, it’s dammed sensible and we appreciate it, a lot. So, thank you for helping us 👍
@@SailHub Perhaps one option would be to take the hull to the south of France, the option with the canals was formulated. There is not enough time in Switzerland to work productively. I have the feeling that your enthusiasm, which is conveyed in the video, will make the boat sail.
It’s crazy right, that’s the best price we got too and then there’s in the import export faff via road through Switzerland France Germany and the UK… Godspeed indeed! 🤙⛵️
Cheers James, near enough 40k mate. Doesn’t seem a bad price to me but it’s not really a full hull yet.. The ballast has been the biggest shock so far, it’s more than the average rig! I’ve not made many keels to date and the price blew my mind. We’ve had foundry prices of 40k to cast the lead! And then there’s the transport and fitting on top!
Haha, you guys are doing something similar to myself. Currently I'm living in a VW transporter that is a working process (solar panels, LPG tank, water tank etc) until Spring. Then 2025 I will have the design for a more modernized Sheppard's hut, in which I intend to be the flagship for my own business and batch production. Ideally in 2028-2029 I'm hoping to be able to see the financial gains to buy myself a catamaran or sailing boat. Let's hope. Did you choose Scotland because the land is affordable when it comes to rent? I live in the midlands, but see myself travelling back and forwards to mid Wales when it comes to assembly. Great to be able to follow your progress 👍
Hey! Man, that’s epic! Good luck with all of that, I mean.. where do you even start! Brilliant! As for Scotland, we have family there, when we get going we will likely need to be in the south as all of our partners are there… we best get saving! Kerchhhhhing!!!
@@SailHub I'm starting with many hours Infront of spreadsheets and in the library. If money is tight, possibly building a second campervan that you can sell, while you have all the equipment to hand (and the processes all fresh in mind). I'm sure you wouldn't struggle to find a buyer with all the following and make a pretty penny as a buffer before you get started. One step back and two steps forward🤷
@terencebarnett9891 hey bud, thanks mate, that would be epic but sadly we don’t own the shed and we need to get out! It’s no stress though, we will sort something, unfortunately RUclips doesn’t pay much so we may take on some adverts to help pay the bills. The project demands a lot of time and finding time to work alongside it is becoming increasingly difficult!
Aluminium is the best! But, LiFePO4 batteries on average have energy density of ~120 Wh/kg. That of diesel fuel is almost 12,000 Wh/kg. So to replace one jerrycan of 20 liters = ~17kg of diesel, you'd need 1,700kg fully charged batteries. For that reason I have serious doubts if going for fully electric is wise; I'd go for hybrid (like Distant Shores) if you plan to make ocean voyages.
Yup, I presume you think we don’t know about energy density. Our journey is to document the evolution of electric. In our eyes it doesn’t work yet and we intend to get as close as we can to making it work by building an ongoing prototype test bed. We’re putting the reality out there for people to see so the fact is, we’ve got a something in common, your comment is exactly what we’re showing. It’s not the usual build and we’re thinking outside the box in every way possible to reach for better efficiency etc. it’s an interesting journey and to date we’ve just been planning the first year! Anyhow, it would be cool to hear your thoughts as we progress, Cheers, Chris
@@SailHub I'm not surprised at all you guys know 🙂 Yet, many people don't realise/know the immense difference in energy density, so I thought it was good to mention. Interesting journey. Let hope there will finally be a much much better battery; will be good for all of us. (For a 22k-subscriber channel, I commend you for responding and so quickly!)
@cornelisvanderbent8569 yeah the difference in density is catastrophic! It’s going to be a huge factor to overcome. Let’s see how far we get! 😬 We try to respond to comments as quickly as we can, we need people to help us shape our videos and channel, we’re right at the beginning of this and want to make it something with value for people. Only our audience can help us do that! Hope to catch up again 👍⛵️
Hi, nice to hear from you, we’re not sure yet… a few ideas but we will need to figure it out properly closer to the time. We have a few maybe’s, I guess we just see what happens closer to the time. If all else fails I could strap a rib to it and posh the thing!😂🤦♂️
@normanboyes4983 to be honest I think an outboard will be fine for a while. I sailed a few boats with outboards, they are kinda cool in a simple way. We have so much to think about I think keeping it simple until we can figure something out properly is the way forward!
Thats an insane price to ship that boat. I believe you could ship that across the US for $2-3k. Its not a very large boat hull and probably not very heavy. I guessing my Dodge Ram pickup would be able to tow this hull.
Your dodge would be perfect for the job. I’m told she should weigh 5T with the ballast on. The problem isn’t the distance, it’s four countries and the time taken for import export paperwork and finally putting it’s all on a ferry to our little island. Still, a frightening cost!
Thanks for that! We were there a good few years back, cool spot! We’ve got good memories of rock climbing on Holyhead mountain too, I once took a good fall there! Mind you… when it was wrecked a few years back that was the week after we left, crazy stuff! We do hope to be back there again for sure, nice to know the price is still sensible! Thank you!
Looks like an amazing boat! Love the lines of the cabin. Is your van single or dual rear wheels? If it is single, be careful how much wood you add, or it may end up too heavy. Hollow panels can save a lot of weight. So far it looks really beautiful!
Thanks, we really like the look of the boat which is the bonus to what we expect her sailing characteristics will be! As for the van, she’s a single. The ply is all lightweight ply and the curves I laminate are all lightweight too. Still, there is a lot of weight being added thats for sure. We will be careful, thanks for the advice it all makes perfect sense! 👍
Interesting build Best wishes. There was a Bruce Roberts designed (if I recollect correctly) aluminum hull in a similar state of completion near here. It was advertised for a few years. I don't know if they ever found a buyer. The fellows widow had it for sale. No motor, no mast etc.
Subscribed! Will make an interesting contrast to the Tally Ho build process, it looks like you have an amazing place to start from in that hull. It would be interesting to know the back story, if it's not too painful a subject for the original owner.
That’s a really nice thing to say, Tally Ho is an epic build! As for the back story, it’s not my place. We we’re super lucky to have come across such an opportunity and the guys we bought of from was such a good chap, but we don’t want to rub salt in wounds here, let’s celebrate and do them proud, it’s way more fun! P.s thanks for joining us too, can’t wait to get the van build and get on with the first jobs!
lots of good boats done in aluminium , they can withstand a lot of punishment if one misses the water ever ,and land on a reef or other inconveniently dry object . my only sail on one was a bit off putting , a roughly made all out race boat ,looked very dodgy ,and actually the keel fell of a few weeks after that ,middle of a race [ they lost that race ,even though the weight reduction could theoretically have been advantageous , the mast slowed them down ,as it was creating a lot of drag ,underwater .]. You may have to bend the all electric a bit ,put a donkey in it ,to motor through the french canals and up to your build home .
That's a really nice platform that you have to start with! How did you find it? I've seen you on Odd Life Crafting a few times. Glad that your getting a boat and a damn nice one at that. Looking forward to the fit out. Personally I would find the closest water and then motor it to the UK. You might be able to borrow someones trailer and tow it to the water. That would be ideal rather than paying a transport company. I'm about ready to build a Cyber 48.
Cool! Now there’s a build to watch! Epic! We saw it years ago when KM sold it but it was out of our budget. After that I kept looking, I’ve wanted an aluminium hull for years now…. We were just about to set sail in our Najad across the Atlantic and a friend told me about this gem, I found it advertised online in German, I thought it was a scam as it was clearly the same boat I saw 2 years previous. Anyhow, we put our boat up for sale traveled to a field in the middle of nowhere and there she was. We decided if we could sell our boat we should do it. Our boat sold in 3 days!! As for the Odd life bunch, great guys! We’ve spent quite a bit of time together now, I’m really looking forward to seeing their project develop, we’re like carbon copies of each other with the van build too! 😂 Oh yeah, the transport thing, for sure although we don’t really have any friends in Switzerland… but that’s the plan, drop her in in Basel and up the canals… that’s should be comical!
Cheers David, yeah we’re pretty stoked, so.. The original owner wanted to build it in northern Switzerland. So it’s ended up there. Simple! I know a lot of people do this for tax reasons and then take it down the Rhine from Basel to the Med. To be honest I’m not sure why their plans were, we took over it as an unfinished project and we didn’t feel it was right to pry.
Beautifull go anywhere and fast yacht. Congratulations. Top choice. If you want to do the initial work to get it afloat and motorised in CH please be aware of stay limitations and customs for parts you'll need. The plan to sail your boat up to the Uk may cost more then the quote you got. You'll need a crane ond oversize transport anyway to get near the water. Friendly advise : ask several hauliers for qoutes providing as much detail as possible (wt/dims/plans/lift points)...the type of crane they think they'll need for example can make up to 500 EUR difference per lift. Giving a large time slot for the job can also help the price. Don't just ask locally. The most competitive companies for those jobs are located in the Netherlands. Good luck !
Hey! Thanks for the advice, yeah we’ve been googling our eyeballs out for over a year now! We needed to make the numbers work before we committed. Still, to be honest it’s still a gamble as you never know until you know!
Yeah they are tricky to come by. Boat 24 seems to be a reasonable searching platform but in Europe I know what I would do… take a drive along either the south coast of France or the north west coast. There are a a few big yards, there are tonnes of projects out there but usually the owner looses belief and they don’t bother advertising so you literally need to go and ask. I do know Meta have a couple of boats lying outside their yard thy have been there some time if your looking for an old but “new”one.
Thanks fella! For sure, that’s exactly what’s she’s going to be, mind you the stern return is rather abrupt and rather narrow at the back. We’re working on a rig at the moment, we’ve got a few ideas, she’s a fractional with a large roach so we’re just computing the forces. A solent seems like a good idea for an ease of use design, especially given the twin backstays/roach situation. However we’re waiting on the airflow analytics on the sails before we commit.
@SailHub I have a Solent on my Saga 43. Very versatile. Masthead with fixed stainless bowsprit where the genoa headstay attaches. Solent stay at stem. Removable inner forestay for storm jib and mast stability plus removable checks for mast stability. Great rig!
@jessefalsone1247 yeah, we’ve had two solent rigs, they are functionally brilliant. I love them! I’m just not convinced about the efficiency aloft due to turbulence that may effect a flat top main. Not sure if you’ve seen our website but the boat build is in general to see how efficient we can make a boat, so every little counts and I just have an incline that a cutter will be more efficient. But, we will see when we get the aero program on the job! 👍
@SailHub genoa on the spit and Code O / Asym on a Selden carbon pole should considerably improve the aero. I would think a 130-135% genoa for such an easily driven hullform is quite adequate and reduces overlap and mainsail turbulence. If you're going flat top main, you'll be sailing with more twist at the top. Maybe more than you want for light air efficiency with masthead rig. My observation on the100% solent (mine is custom with proper aspect ratio, not Saga standard self tacker) is that above 15 kts AWS, it's better than the genoa close hauled. Just less draggy with no mainsail back wind. I have a new solent on order with rope luff that will allow a smooth transition from reefed down jib to storm jib. I think that makes sense. Cutter also makes sense but then you really should go with a Yankee unless you think you can get enough area out if the staysail to go either/or configuration but then you're more or less like a solent.
@jessefalsone1247 cool. I can picture your set up thoughts. Mind you were could end up on a completely different tack here, with several innovations in sail cloth form manufacturing techniques to lamination and material technology etc the options are somewhat greater than they once were for us. For us, efficiency in performance and also use of minerals/recycling etc being the name of the game it’s going to be interesting. We’re looking at all sorts of ideas and trying to get outside of the usual box, maybe even going more closely related to our old gaff rigger in some respects. Anyway, I think we’ve got plenty of time to come up with a plan and one things for sure, with modern computing software it’s going to be a real game changer to us! I can’t wait to be honest!
on a boat that size, "maybe you'll ditch the wheel and put in a tiller????" you guys really want to deal with that at speed? in arctic waters when you could instead be steering from inside? apart from that -- you have found yourselves an incredible hull, and a perfect platform for an all-electric drivetrain/powerplant. looking forward to seeing how it goes!!
Yeah, the tillers an interesting thought. It’s simplicity we’re looking at and weight saving which is quite surprising. We’re not planning on staying in the arctic, it’s just a place we want to go so inside wheelhouse isn’t really required. I guess there are a number of large boats on tillers and ours isn’t all that heavy, the other thing is the twin rudders, this should massively reduce tiller efforts. I think we will run a test first, I’m not into gung ho descisions! Thanks for the support too, it’s really cool to hear your thoughts on electric, I imagine we will have a fair amount of testing to do there too! 👍
@@SailHub I just finished successfully testing my solar-electric pontoon on the water for the first time ever -- WOW did I learn a lot of things I probably should have done differently 😂 but, that's boats, I guess -- always learning something!
What a lovely boat. Aluminium is such a good boat material. Look forward to seeing how she develops. How about the rig. Are you sticking with the standard, or something more interesting. The beauty of having a boat at this stage, significant changes are not so great an issue For me that boat would be great with a free standing mast, with some form of aero sail. Ideal for short handed. Will you be fitting waterproof bulkheads.
Hi Mark, A few ideas here and there. I will stick with a sloop rig though. It’s just easy for everyone. We want people to be able to come and sail with us easily. I’m also want to optimise performance by retain as much reliability as possible. We’re in talks with mast companies at present but nothing concrete yet. Bulkheads, for sure a front one, not sure about a fully enclosed rear one, probably though but it will need a hatch to access the steering.
@markthomasson5077 yeah, I think for most cruisers I would do the same, it’s a great rig and great advice. This thing has a 27° spreader angle though, a gooseneck 4” off the mast step and no kicker in the plans. Clearly designed to generate enough apparent wind to not need that 90°. At the moment I’m leaning toward somewhere between a 3/4 and a 7/8 fractional. I liked our old Najad 373’s 7/8 fractional a lot.
Criekey, that’s pretty hardcore on the door front! I don’t think we need to go that far. It’s not an Amel! Mind you, I flippin’ love a proper adventure vessel. I just don’t think this is really one of them.
Your skills are amazing, I love your work and both welding skills and wood work skills are top notch. I wish you all the success, and I hope people will see your work and filming skills, because your channel deserves to be recognized and loved by much more people. Keep up your awesome work and love for your boat and van. Thanks from Martin from Norway 🇳🇴
Hi Martin!! What an aweseome comment to wake up too! Thanks so much for your support, it makes a huge difference to us!
- hopefully you like the next video, we’re a bit nervous putting it out as it a about the van, we’re hoping it’s received ok as it’s traditional steam bending boatbuilding skills 🤞
Thanks for the shout out guys! :-) And good luck with the very cool project. Cheers!
No problem guys, you deserve it! We live what your going!! 👌⛵️🤙
And thanks!! We’re stoked to be making a start!!
We can't wait to watch the steam banding process!! 🤩
Cheers guys!
That is nuts! And then you showed us the van! Even that tiny glimpse of the quality is enough to be captivated. ✌️from the Noosa Hinterland Australia
Cheers Paul! That mean a lot to us! 😃
YESSSSSS. It finally gets revealed !!!!!! AWESOMEEEEEEEEE. Good luck you two ! And look at that woodwork 🤤
Hey man, great to hear from you! Thanks for the compliment! 🤙⛵️
Berkemeyer 40"! Super interesting!
Yeah! Well done recognising it, she’s one of only 3. Glad you find it interesting, thanks for commenting 👍
As an owner of an aluminum Ex BOC Division 2 single handed masthead cutter, now sailed for fast cruising. I can say with experience of her I really like your FIND to my eye it is really well build and a great project to invest in. I think your very lucky to have found such a nicely build hull. your going to have lots of fun building and sailing her one day. SV Skoiern IV
Hey! Thank you so much! Kind works and great support! Thanks!!
This one I can't wait to watch. So much fun to watch a craftsman in his element doing what he loves!!
Hey, thanks for that! Super to hear and also inspiring for us! Thanks!
My grandfather built boats for Camper Nicholson & I grew up in Hamble, so I’ve been around boats & yachts all my life. Absolutely love the craftsmanship & attention to detail you guys are putting into your projects. Chapeau 👏🏼
Thanks Chapeau, great to get a nod of appreciation from an experienced eye!
Cheers for that!
🙂👌
Jesus that's a beautiful boat, and the build quality is just stunning. Can't wait to see her under sail, I'll be following along.
Hey up! Oh man, we can’t wait either!!! 👍
Ooh that woodwork is just stunning! So excited to see the rest of the build - both the van and the boat! Rock on guys!
Hey guys! Shouldn’t you be underwater? Divers man. What’s wrong with you all. Nutters.
Thanks for the support! Here’s hoping we do it justice!! 🤙⛵️
P.s we should make time for a catch up at some point!
@@SailHub Too right. We’re actually on passage right now so I’m filling my midnight watch with your content 🤩 So creative - you guys are awesome 🔥
@RedSeas 😂 cheers! Hope you don’t get nightmares! Fair winds guys!!
Wow. As a Swiss I a am so jealous about your project. Looks like an arctic dream boat. I wish you all the best with this peace of work.
Hey! Thanks fella! Fingers crossed it’s where we’re both hoping it is!!! !
We are so happy for you both, Cant wait to watch your progress. Good luck lots of love Debbie, Clive and Murphy xx
Hey guys! Great to hear from you! Thanks!! Hope to catch up again in the water at some point! 👍👌⛵️
this project is so cool. can't wait to see it sailing on the water.
Hey thanks! We can’t wait too!! 👍
Woa, congratulations! After a few months of teasing, it finally revealed what the aluminium project boat is. The KM 39C is an epic hull. Well done! I am very much looking forward to your journey. Please share all you can. Thanks!
For sure we will be sharing it and thanks!
The journey has started with the van but we will try to keep the videos as boat orientated as we can because let’s face it.. we’re all boat people here!
Thanks so much for your kind words!!
@SailHub Yes!!! I recently bought the french Renault cousin of your german Porche a "Patago 39". It's less fancy but very similar also 1 of 3 that I know off. The plan is to sail it this summer back to Belgium for a major electrical refit this winter. I'd love to also gradually upgrade the interior over time. Your content and the knowledge you share will be very beneficial!
@XArthieX that sounds amazing.. just did some Googling, very different boats here but man, she looks ready to take on a war at sea. I dare say she will stand up to more than ours, looks like a really really good sea going vessel right there!
Sounds like a great plan too, be sure to let me know if we can help with anything, may even see you at some point, we will be driving up and down a bit and our ferry drops us in Amsterdam.
@@XArthieX btw, that’s no Renault more like a Hummer!
What a pair of projects, Looking forward to seeing them both progress good luck, 🍷🍷🍷
Stunning woodwork, amazing...
Thanks Michael, much appreciated 👍
Having just rented a campervan for the first time (and loved it) - and searching for our first sailboat, stumbling across your channel on RUclips is absolutely perfect. Looking forward to seeing your progression on the van and the boat.
Wahey! What a combo! Sounds like it’s exciting times for us all! 👍⛵️🚐
Loving the journey and the goals.
We are on a low budget sustainable journey working towards a nearly fully electric refit of a 1977 Rival 38 centre cockpit ketch.
Brilliant! Now that sounds like a plan!!👍
I'm in... What an exciting boat, beautiful fast lines. What an amazing project.
Hi Kev, great to have you on board! Thanks!!
Chris, Jenni, youve come a long way since BOAT STATION!!! Keep smiling guys
Mondo! Cheers lad, much appreciated!
We’ve done a lot for sure, like the rest of us I guess, thanks man!
Hope you guys are well fella!
my brother and I been thinking about buying that boat too. my brothers crying tight know🙈good luck with the build. so happy you document the story😃😃😃
Cool, it’s a hell of a job, gonna be epic! Did you go and look at it?
Love the boat, and love your quiet positivity!
Hey up! Cheers! We’re so stoked about it! Super exciting!!! Thanks for the support! 👍😃
My favorite channel. You guys are just getting better and better.
Hey Andrew! Thanks mate, that’s so cool to hear! Cheers 🍻 😀🤙
Looking forward to seeing both projects as they develop!
Cheers Robert! Thanks for letting us know, great to have you join us for the journey!
Love the look of the boat. And the internals look very well planned.
Cheers! We were super lucky!
Not sure what’s happening inside yet… first things first! Make the keel and get her home!
Really looking forward to following your progress. Wishing you all the luck!
Hi Roger, thanks, it’s great to have you on board! 👍
I’m excited to go along for the ride with y’all. That boat looks super cool.
Hey Shaun!! Cheers man, stoked to have you with us and glad you like the boat! We’re pretty keen too 🤙 see you in the next one!! 😃👍
Looking forward to this build of yours. This is the first I'm seeing and I'm already hooked.
Hey! Thanks for that, that’s great to hear!! 👍
Thanks!
Hey!! So kind, thanks you!!!!!👍⛵️❤️
Look forward to follow your projects with both the good looking sailboat and the campervan. Exciting and inspiring!
Love from Jonas S/V Mignon
Hi Jonas! Thanks for that! Stoked your joining the journey! 👍⛵️
Great start to a new adventure! I'll be following along for sure.
Getting a bare hull from Switzerland to Scotland is an adventure in itself. I think you mentioned the French canals, but the Rhine is also navigable from the Swiss border at Rheinfelden all the way to Rotterdam. A 20hp outboard on an improvised bracket, plug some holes, a bit of ballast and away you go.
Best of luck from Pete in Wanaka, New Zealand.
Hey Pete! Thanks man, yeah… we’re in the same page mate! Probably because I used to live in the same town as you! What a place!
Thanks for the support!
Cheers, Chris 🙌
amazing mate. very exciting
Cheers man, super stoked! Can’t wait to get you and your grubby mits on her too!
So exite.
Thanks! So are we!!
Looking forward to this build ❤
Hey Don, thanks for letting us know! I hope you enjoy both of the builds and the rest of our content keeps you entertained too!!
Wow! Two very cool projects in the pipeline. Looking forward to the series. Best wishes🙏🏽💪🏽
Nice! Thanks, great to have you on board 👍
Wow! Just amazing work!
Hey Michael, thanks mate!!
RUclips made a great suggestion at last! Nice project, I have an aluminium Koopman 35 from 1982 with wooden topsides and interior, no idea who built it though. Being in Spain the issue becomes getting materials and finding the skills to do the work I cannot do. Previously I worked for VT, Pendennis and ANT which took me to Blohm & Voss and Lurssens as a Marine Electrician / Electronics technician and having spent time working on a wide variety of small craft and super yachts I know good design and workmanship when I see it. I'm imagining your project will be a cross between Sampson Boat co. and Distant Shores, so my only advice is "Keep It Simple" as I can see you are already very quality minded.
Hi, how nice to hear this, such compliments! I really hope we can live up to this!
Sounds like quite the adventure you have been on! Koopman’s are just wonderful boats! Super lucky there chap!
As for our plan, we don’t really do simple, it’s just not in the genes… but, we’ve struggled to enjoy a lot of sailing for to working on things so this time we’re gonna make sure we get the sailing and traveling in. The quality can wait sometimes I guess!
Here for the journey! Looking forward to series ahead..
Nice! Thanks👍
Maybe not relevant, but I went fishing on a de-commisioned Brittish mine sweeper named the Admiral out of Morrow Bay.
All alluminum boat was the loudest vessel I've ever been on. Sounded like a city bus.
But I did catch 4 albacore in the 40lb range, so it was a win, but holy crap what a loud boat.
For sure, they are noisy as hell! We have a plan though, and we are testing it on the van, it’s the cork you see sprayed inside. It’s very common in metal boats and seems to work really well!
Sounds like an epic days fishing too by the way!
Uau can’t wait to see how great your van and boat will be! You are incredible. Take care my friends
Nuno! Cheers fella, means a lot. Thanks man
Nice to find a KMY hull. They do terrific welds and you should get good documentation. Looking forward to seeing her grow.
Hey peter, thanks for commenting!
Yeah, your right there! They build fab hulls… as for the build, sadly we’re out on our own with this one!
Well done mate, you’ve always been naturally awesome at everything you turn you’re hand to.
Cyborg! Mate, how cool to hear from ya!
Hope your doing stonkin lad! Cheers man, it’s all about who we learn from 😉🤙👨🏭
I've seen the ad for this hull online when searching for alu yachts myself. I am excited to see it on RUclips and that you will document the built process! Really interested in your interior design but mostly happy it will be done by some skilled people. Often you see some weird or low quality interior when done by the owners themselfs which is a shame for such an expensive yacht. Best of luck with this amazing project and thank you for documenting the process!
Hey, thanks! We’re really looking forward to the build. I tho k the trick is to make sure we know what we want t before we start the interior. Great to hear you think we know what we’re doing! Time will tell 😂👍⛵️
I'm the first time on the channel and really excited to see the next episode. Huge project and I really like this switching between woodworking and metal craft in this video.
Ah thanks for joining! Yeah, there plenty more to come, can’t wait to get on with the van… we have so much planned for it but really I just want to get onto the boat! Great to get back on the tools again. -Chris
When I saw this beauty on the thumbnail I knew we'd be in for a treat. Can't wait to see the whole project, van included.
I'm personally hoping to find a hidden gem like this but a cat instead. I'm sure I can learn a lot from your journey.
Ah thanks! Yeah, it took us years to find something that was right for us at the right price too. I’m sure something will come up for you, keep your eyes peeled and do t rush into something you don’t reply want!
As for learning from us… goodness, don’t put the pressure on! But on. Serious note, just ask if you think we can help, we’re on Insta too if you want on the job content.
Congrats! and Best wishes.. Fair winds...
Thanks!! Likewise! Sails safe!!
Funny, the youtube algorythm suggested your video to me, probably because I am following RAN sailing. But I basically just got off the boat you took the measures of the keel from. We have sailed her from the Orkneys to Bergen in Norway. Congrats, she is ging to be a great and fast yacht.
Wahey! One of the Panta Rhei crew. So cool! I would love to hear from you and find out more about your Sail. Pretty epic! I wish I could have been with you guys! 👍
Adding this to the other 4, or 5 boat building channels I watch, because i own a plastic kayak 😂😂😂.
Looking forward to future vids
Hey! Thanks fella! Much appreciated. Man.. I have a strip planked canoe to finish building that you have just reminded me of. Gotta love a kayak mine, your all nuts!
Hope our videos keep you entertained,
Great video guys...looking forward to the whole series.
Cheers guys! Much appreciated 👍😀
Im in for the whole journey. this will be great inspiration! i wish you the best of luck.
No way! That’s superb👍 thanks for joining us and the support too!
Awesome
Cheers Robert!
One consideration is to conclude if its saltwater aluminum, there were a lot of boats made without this rating that suffered fatal oxidtion/electrolysis issues
Good point that. She’s made of Alustar so we should be grand. 👍
Hi congratulations for the Alu boat. This one of Berckmeyer’s design which I am building now BM43 in Istanbul. It was on sale around 65k which I could buy but existing project soaks my cash😊. Good luck one of best designs in her class, 🤞🏻💞
Hey thanks! Yeah, she’s a beauty alright! Bm43 is a belter too! Are you documenting the build!? I would love to see it!
Hi, is it worth you trying to contact the designer, Martin Menzner from BM yachts. I would have thought he could supply the CAD file for the bulb. Mind you I had a very poor experience with him, so now going with another aluminium yacht designer. All the very best wishes to you for the completion of the BM. I will look forward to each episode with the progress. M
@helmsman141 thanks for the help, yeah we tried that as our first port of call…. Several emails, messages and no answer. Sadly we’ve not heard much good regarding communication from him which is a shame as the boats have a great sailing reputation. I got all of the CAD from Gaastmeer who supply KM with the cut panels for the build - they were super helpful.
Anyhow, we did some scans of the 1st German 39 and we have a CAD hero working on them for us, so far it look promising 🤞
Great to have you in the journey with us and thanks again! 👍
@@SailHub hi thanks for reply. I have tons of material to be posted but I have so many other stuff I only focus to finish the boat. I work 13-14 hours a day with two profies carpenter and paint guy. I am planing to start on posting on Instagram. I am following you, happy to share my experiences
@@SailHub I have 3D model of the torpedo for the kell actual weight would be 2300kg, maybe bit heavy for your project but if you need happy to send it.
Killer Whale Proof this Beautiful SAILBOAT , Remember they have been attacking boat rudders !!
In your part of the Atlantic..
GREAT PROGRESS!!
Hey! Cheers for that! Yeah, we know all about those dammed whales! They are a real trouble!
very good case, I looked at it a few years ago, but didn’t buy it because it was too far and expensive to transport. I will be watching your progress. Good luck
Yeah… there’s a lot to put anyone off on this one and it’s going to be a real challenge for us. We had looked at it since 2019…
Absolutely brilliant, what a find, well done, keep pushing and believe in yourselves. Top stuff.🇦🇺🐉 She's Magic.
Thank you so much! I love the believe in yourselves, believe me.. we needed to hear that! Thanks!
Excited...😀
Cheers Barry! We’re excited too!
Found you for the sailboat, the van is a bonus !
Nice! I’m so glad you think so, we were worried it would have a negative impact.
Such a sick boat
Hey up guys! Great to hear from you!!
Cheers, we’re pretty stoked mind. Mind you, we got a lot to learn from guys like you… gotta catch up again at some point! If you ever make it home that is! Given the survival suit I saw you in I presume your thinking of crossing soon?
@@SailHub that's the plan, we want to touch off the Arctic first though
@SailingYachtZora Get in! Mate. Amazing.
Lovely project! Love from the Netherlands
Cheers! And thanks for commenting!
Just subscribed, looking forward to your building the interior of the aluminium hull. What you did inside the van looks very promising.
Thanks John, great to have you on board, the vans coming on well. We will have a couple of videos on that soon.
Not sure what’s happening in the boat but I know whatever it is I want to test my skills a bit! The vans a great place for me to get inspired again!
You could of made a plaster and glass mould of the other bulb ,25 - 50 mm thick would have been enough then thicken it up when you got home. this would have given it some drying time as well . i have made bulbs using this method before and it works . mixing the plaster and raw glass no resin just allow time for all the moisture to be gone . then place the mould in a sand bed for pouring . anyhow that's a great looking boat you have found , looking forward to see it being finished off. Cheers from a Aussie viewer living in Norway.
Great idea that! Wish we had thought of it 👍
We got by in the end with technology which is unusual for me! Still, it was a super cool learning process, fingers crossed it works out though! 👍
Wow... gotta see this! New sub - looking forward to the triumph, tradgedy and the drama! Well done, shes a beauty.
Cheers! Oh Lordy, I hope there’s not too much tragedy! All thought it’s bound to happen 😉🤦♂️
@@SailHub Well... there's always a little! Here's wishing you the best of luck on your prodigious adventure.
@spikeafrican8797 for sure! Cheers Spike, much appreciated 👍
Lauren Marine in Southampton is pretty cheap and being in Southampton has many marine suppliers just around the corner.
Now that is very helpful news! We love the sailing vibe around Southampton too. Thanks!
omg . what a project !! you guys are amazing and what a beuatiful shape the yacht is to begin with !! and to top it of you doing another van build too , seriously amazing i would love to help , me getting an old 55 year old snapdgranod 24 engine running and sailing dont even compare am humbled lol
Thanks man, we’re all just faffing with boat here fella! It’s all the same and it’s important to help each other along the way so thanks for standing by us!
Fantastic project!
Thanks! We think so too. A lot to take on and we’re super excited albeit a tad nervous here and there too…
@@SailHub Aluminum is a clear trend among leading youtubers. You bring something different within this trend. We look forward to learning from your woodworking skills, as well as your extensive knowledge of all the boating equipment. Van life is the cherry on the cake!
@@cyrilvermeil thanks for that Cyril. I hope we can deliver!
I think having been in the industry quite a while we have dealt with a lot and seen many views over the years. I don’t want say what’s best for who, just lay it on a plate for people to make their own descisions. There are reasons for all designs, materials and equipment and we intend to point out giver best usage along our journey. I guess what I’m saying is we want to remain factual as opposed to opinionated.
As for the woodwork, we will be doing all sorts of it in the future but the boat fit our probably won’t be what be expect! 😉…. What I know is that it will be a good test of my skills I’m sure!
Wild project and crew, looking forward to learning while watching. SkipRay, the “Ark” project, Kerry, Ireland.
Cheers! May see you in Ireland some day! 😜
super keen to watch how you get on and the decisions you make! were about to start an electric ali cat on a tight budget soon. love your channel as it is and now extra love! :D
Hey Pat, cheers for that! We should defo keep an eye on each other, sounds like we will have a lot we can learn together!
An exciting & demanding project. I will certainly follow along.
I do hope you have worked out the tax implications of importing the boat from Switzerland. I know the can be pretty complicated and costly.
Good luck
Hey Bertie, great to have you join us! Thanks!
The tax…. Urgh… there’s a thing. It’s an open ended question, we’ve spoken to all of the relevant people who were actually brilliant. As in really brilliant. Basically we give them the price paid and pay the tax on it, unless of course they bekive I were taking them for a rid and then it’s to market value… I think that’s fair really, they have got to stop fraudulent behaviour 🤷♂️🤞
Epic! Bring her to North Devon!! 😁
Oh yeah?! Is that affordable for us?
There’s a boat builder in Australia , fabricating with aluminum . Yeh lots of boat builders, but the work they do is immaculate and fast.
They use spool guns, and simple tools. Work is first rate, and fast.
Tim Turtle ? Aluminum boat build time lapse.
Cool, great to hear. Thanks! Btw spoil guns are a brilliant invention!
8:29 this place is right next to where I live. That’s so funny!
So cool! What a place! We’re gonna be passing through again a few times so you best get the kettle on! 😀🤙😉
Really interesting project - I have a similar boat (not ali) that was made by the last owner. I had a blank canvas too, but nothing like what you guys have in front of you! Best of lucjk. BTW nice camerawork/editing
Hey George,
Thanks for that! Rally nice of you and much appreciated. Btw we would love to see your boat and what you did, what is she.
Glad I found this, lets get the Leo crowd over here since he has finished his boat now! This looks fantastic project and incredible project to follow. Great success! Subscribed!
Thanks for that! It would be well cool to get the Tally Ho bunch here!! Big shoes to fill mind!!
Let’s see how we get on with the van build as a taster! Next one’s up tonight, can’t wait to be on with the boat soon!!! 👍 thanks for subscribing!
This just popped up in my feed - I’m a uk-based sailor, occasional superyacht race crew, woodworker and Tally Ho patron - you guys got an instant subscribe!
@ianwatson4540 ahh! Cool, cheers for joining the ride! She’s gonna be a good one for sure! Hope you enjoy it 👍
Love the hull hate the idea of electric cruiser , just go diesel make your life easier lol
Hey Rick, yeah your not wrong there! Check out our website.. it will all make sense! 👍
If I am not mistaken the hull was offered by KM some time ago, I recommended it to some friends. Interesting that it is popping up again.
Think carefully about where you want to continue building, transportation to the canals is also expensive.
I have built a Reinke 13M myself in ten years and a closed hall would save you a lot of time.
Try to make contact with a foundry to cast the lead, we were admitted there during the company vacations with a casting master.
Unfortunately, my advice sounds schoolmasterly; I can understand your enthusiasm.
Good luck in anticipation of further contributions, cheers
Hey, yeah your right… it was sold during covid and got layer up since, it’s a long story and we’re glad to be building her.
As for your advice, it’s not school master like, it’s dammed sensible and we appreciate it, a lot. So, thank you for helping us 👍
@@SailHub Perhaps one option would be to take the hull to the south of France, the option with the canals was formulated.
There is not enough time in Switzerland to work productively.
I have the feeling that your enthusiasm, which is conveyed in the video, will make the boat sail.
15 Grand to truck it🤯. I wouldn't do that either. Can't wait to see it in the water. God speed ❤
It’s crazy right, that’s the best price we got too and then there’s in the import export faff via road through Switzerland France Germany and the UK… Godspeed indeed! 🤙⛵️
WOW!!
Wow? Cheers! But I’m curious as to what gets the wow now!
Subbed!
Wahey! Cheers Mr Mole!
I'm really looking forward to seeing this project unfold. If you don't mind me asking how much was did the boat cost you? Wishing you all the best.
Cheers James, near enough 40k mate. Doesn’t seem a bad price to me but it’s not really a full hull yet.. The ballast has been the biggest shock so far, it’s more than the average rig! I’ve not made many keels to date and the price blew my mind. We’ve had foundry prices of 40k to cast the lead! And then there’s the transport and fitting on top!
Haha, you guys are doing something similar to myself. Currently I'm living in a VW transporter that is a working process (solar panels, LPG tank, water tank etc) until Spring. Then 2025 I will have the design for a more modernized Sheppard's hut, in which I intend to be the flagship for my own business and batch production.
Ideally in 2028-2029 I'm hoping to be able to see the financial gains to buy myself a catamaran or sailing boat. Let's hope.
Did you choose Scotland because the land is affordable when it comes to rent?
I live in the midlands, but see myself travelling back and forwards to mid Wales when it comes to assembly.
Great to be able to follow your progress 👍
Hey! Man, that’s epic! Good luck with all of that, I mean.. where do you even start! Brilliant!
As for Scotland, we have family there, when we get going we will likely need to be in the south as all of our partners are there… we best get saving! Kerchhhhhing!!!
@@SailHub I'm starting with many hours Infront of spreadsheets and in the library. If money is tight, possibly building a second campervan that you can sell, while you have all the equipment to hand (and the processes all fresh in mind). I'm sure you wouldn't struggle to find a buyer with all the following and make a pretty penny as a buffer before you get started.
One step back and two steps forward🤷
@terencebarnett9891 hey bud, thanks mate, that would be epic but sadly we don’t own the shed and we need to get out!
It’s no stress though, we will sort something, unfortunately RUclips doesn’t pay much so we may take on some adverts to help pay the bills. The project demands a lot of time and finding time to work alongside it is becoming increasingly difficult!
Aluminium is the best! But, LiFePO4 batteries on average have energy density of ~120 Wh/kg. That of diesel fuel is almost 12,000 Wh/kg. So to replace one jerrycan of 20 liters = ~17kg of diesel, you'd need 1,700kg fully charged batteries. For that reason I have serious doubts if going for fully electric is wise; I'd go for hybrid (like Distant Shores) if you plan to make ocean voyages.
Yup, I presume you think we don’t know about energy density.
Our journey is to document the evolution of electric. In our eyes it doesn’t work yet and we intend to get as close as we can to making it work by building an ongoing prototype test bed.
We’re putting the reality out there for people to see so the fact is, we’ve got a something in common, your comment is exactly what we’re showing. It’s not the usual build and we’re thinking outside the box in every way possible to reach for better efficiency etc. it’s an interesting journey and to date we’ve just been planning the first year!
Anyhow, it would be cool to hear your thoughts as we progress,
Cheers, Chris
@@SailHub I'm not surprised at all you guys know 🙂 Yet, many people don't realise/know the immense difference in energy density, so I thought it was good to mention. Interesting journey. Let hope there will finally be a much much better battery; will be good for all of us. (For a 22k-subscriber channel, I commend you for responding and so quickly!)
@cornelisvanderbent8569 yeah the difference in density is catastrophic! It’s going to be a huge factor to overcome. Let’s see how far we get! 😬
We try to respond to comments as quickly as we can, we need people to help us shape our videos and channel, we’re right at the beginning of this and want to make it something with value for people. Only our audience can help us do that!
Hope to catch up again 👍⛵️
subbed you brave legends
Brilliant thank you. Might need your moral support through some of it. 🤣 Cant wait to get back out to Switzerland to get stuck in!!
Oh good a boatbuilding project.😀 So how are you going to power through the canals and to the fit out yard in the UK?
Hi, nice to hear from you, we’re not sure yet… a few ideas but we will need to figure it out properly closer to the time. We have a few maybe’s, I guess we just see what happens closer to the time. If all else fails I could strap a rib to it and posh the thing!😂🤦♂️
@@SailHub Yes indeed, it is a dilemma, an outboard would do fine for inland waterways but not so much for the ‘oggin around the U.K.
@normanboyes4983 to be honest I think an outboard will be fine for a while. I sailed a few boats with outboards, they are kinda cool in a simple way. We have so much to think about I think keeping it simple until we can figure something out properly is the way forward!
@@SailHub Absolutely. One is perfect for inland stuff but maybe two for the ‘oggin (the second could be smaller).
That’s sensible. Goodness knows where we will end up for the first part of the fit out mind.
Thats an insane price to ship that boat. I believe you could ship that across the US for $2-3k. Its not a very large boat hull and probably not very heavy. I guessing my Dodge Ram pickup would be able to tow this hull.
Your dodge would be perfect for the job. I’m told she should weigh 5T with the ballast on. The problem isn’t the distance, it’s four countries and the time taken for import export paperwork and finally putting it’s all on a ferry to our little island. Still, a frightening cost!
I can attest Holyhead Marina has been good to me and its cheap.
Thanks for that! We were there a good few years back, cool spot! We’ve got good memories of rock climbing on Holyhead mountain too, I once took a good fall there!
Mind you… when it was wrecked a few years back that was the week after we left, crazy stuff! We do hope to be back there again for sure, nice to know the price is still sensible! Thank you!
Looks like an amazing boat! Love the lines of the cabin. Is your van single or dual rear wheels? If it is single, be careful how much wood you add, or it may end up too heavy. Hollow panels can save a lot of weight. So far it looks really beautiful!
Thanks, we really like the look of the boat which is the bonus to what we expect her sailing characteristics will be!
As for the van, she’s a single. The ply is all lightweight ply and the curves I laminate are all lightweight too. Still, there is a lot of weight being added thats for sure. We will be careful, thanks for the advice it all makes perfect sense! 👍
Interesting build Best wishes.
There was a Bruce Roberts designed (if I recollect correctly) aluminum hull in a similar state of completion near here. It was advertised for a few years. I don't know if they ever found a buyer. The fellows widow had it for sale. No motor, no mast etc.
Cool boats the Bruce Roberts, they are well sturdy sea vessels. This one’s a Berckemeyer design.
Subscribed! Will make an interesting contrast to the Tally Ho build process, it looks like you have an amazing place to start from in that hull. It would be interesting to know the back story, if it's not too painful a subject for the original owner.
That’s a really nice thing to say, Tally Ho is an epic build!
As for the back story, it’s not my place. We we’re super lucky to have come across such an opportunity and the guys we bought of from was such a good chap, but we don’t want to rub salt in wounds here, let’s celebrate and do them proud, it’s way more fun!
P.s thanks for joining us too, can’t wait to get the van build and get on with the first jobs!
lots of good boats done in aluminium , they can withstand a lot of punishment if one misses the water ever ,and land on a reef or other inconveniently dry object . my only sail on one was a bit off putting , a roughly made all out race boat ,looked very dodgy ,and actually the keel fell of a few weeks after that ,middle of a race [ they lost that race ,even though the weight reduction could theoretically have been advantageous , the mast slowed them down ,as it was creating a lot of drag ,underwater .]. You may have to bend the all electric a bit ,put a donkey in it ,to motor through the french canals and up to your build home .
That’s the best comment were ever likely to get. Literally laughed out loud.
Yup, I can agree with all you say and that story. Classic! 😂👍⛵️🤷♂️
Oooooo, nice. Once you're done, go into production. I'll have one. But with a gas guzzler please.
For sure!
That's a really nice platform that you have to start with! How did you find it? I've seen you on Odd Life Crafting a few times. Glad that your getting a boat and a damn nice one at that. Looking forward to the fit out. Personally I would find the closest water and then motor it to the UK. You might be able to borrow someones trailer and tow it to the water. That would be ideal rather than paying a transport company. I'm about ready to build a Cyber 48.
Cool! Now there’s a build to watch! Epic!
We saw it years ago when KM sold it but it was out of our budget. After that I kept looking, I’ve wanted an aluminium hull for years now…. We were just about to set sail in our Najad across the Atlantic and a friend told me about this gem, I found it advertised online in German, I thought it was a scam as it was clearly the same boat I saw 2 years previous. Anyhow, we put our boat up for sale traveled to a field in the middle of nowhere and there she was.
We decided if we could sell our boat we should do it. Our boat sold in 3 days!!
As for the Odd life bunch, great guys! We’ve spent quite a bit of time together now, I’m really looking forward to seeing their project develop, we’re like carbon copies of each other with the van build too! 😂
Oh yeah, the transport thing, for sure although we don’t really have any friends in Switzerland… but that’s the plan, drop her in in Basel and up the canals… that’s should be comical!
Cool project. I’m intrigued where and why the hull ended up in CH? Be great to know.
Cheers David, yeah we’re pretty stoked, so.. The original owner wanted to build it in northern Switzerland. So it’s ended up there. Simple!
I know a lot of people do this for tax reasons and then take it down the Rhine from Basel to the Med. To be honest I’m not sure why their plans were, we took over it as an unfinished project and we didn’t feel it was right to pry.
@@SailHub Yes I can understand that for tax reasons. Good find! And good luck with the project - looking forward to tuning in! Dave.
@@davidwhitehouse6566 cheers David!
So glad I found you guys. Love your design ideas and these are really cool projects. Can't wait to follow along.
Hey Steven, thanks mate! That’s much appreciated!
Beautifull go anywhere and fast yacht. Congratulations. Top choice.
If you want to do the initial work to get it afloat and motorised in CH please be aware of stay limitations and customs for parts you'll need. The plan to sail your boat up to the Uk may cost more then the quote you got. You'll need a crane ond oversize transport anyway to get near the water. Friendly advise : ask several hauliers for qoutes providing as much detail as possible (wt/dims/plans/lift points)...the type of crane they think they'll need for example can make up to 500 EUR difference per lift. Giving a large time slot for the job can also help the price. Don't just ask locally. The most competitive companies for those jobs are located in the Netherlands. Good luck !
Hey! Thanks for the advice, yeah we’ve been googling our eyeballs out for over a year now! We needed to make the numbers work before we committed. Still, to be honest it’s still a gamble as you never know until you know!
7:42 …let an Orca chew on that! 😂😂😂
For sure!
Congratulations to finding so nice projekt boat! Any tip on where to look to find projekt boats in Europe? As they are not on the regular boat sites.
Yeah they are tricky to come by. Boat 24 seems to be a reasonable searching platform but in Europe I know what I would do… take a drive along either the south coast of France or the north west coast. There are a a few big yards, there are tonnes of projects out there but usually the owner looses belief and they don’t bother advertising so you literally need to go and ask.
I do know Meta have a couple of boats lying outside their yard thy have been there some time if your looking for an old but “new”one.
@@SailHub Thank you for your answer, and a big thanks for all the good videos you make!!
Good luck on your search and thanks!
Very cool boat! Going to be a heeler even with internal ballast. Any ideas on a rig?
Thanks fella! For sure, that’s exactly what’s she’s going to be, mind you the stern return is rather abrupt and rather narrow at the back.
We’re working on a rig at the moment, we’ve got a few ideas, she’s a fractional with a large roach so we’re just computing the forces. A solent seems like a good idea for an ease of use design, especially given the twin backstays/roach situation. However we’re waiting on the airflow analytics on the sails before we commit.
@SailHub I have a Solent on my Saga 43. Very versatile. Masthead with fixed stainless bowsprit where the genoa headstay attaches. Solent stay at stem. Removable inner forestay for storm jib and mast stability plus removable checks for mast stability. Great rig!
@jessefalsone1247 yeah, we’ve had two solent rigs, they are functionally brilliant. I love them!
I’m just not convinced about the efficiency aloft due to turbulence that may effect a flat top main.
Not sure if you’ve seen our website but the boat build is in general to see how efficient we can make a boat, so every little counts and I just have an incline that a cutter will be more efficient. But, we will see when we get the aero program on the job! 👍
@SailHub genoa on the spit and Code O / Asym on a Selden carbon pole should considerably improve the aero. I would think a 130-135% genoa for such an easily driven hullform is quite adequate and reduces overlap and mainsail turbulence. If you're going flat top main, you'll be sailing with more twist at the top. Maybe more than you want for light air efficiency with masthead rig. My observation on the100% solent (mine is custom with proper aspect ratio, not Saga standard self tacker) is that above 15 kts AWS, it's better than the genoa close hauled. Just less draggy with no mainsail back wind. I have a new solent on order with rope luff that will allow a smooth transition from reefed down jib to storm jib. I think that makes sense. Cutter also makes sense but then you really should go with a Yankee unless you think you can get enough area out if the staysail to go either/or configuration but then you're more or less like a solent.
@jessefalsone1247 cool. I can picture your set up thoughts.
Mind you were could end up on a completely different tack here, with several innovations in sail cloth form manufacturing techniques to lamination and material technology etc the options are somewhat greater than they once were for us.
For us, efficiency in performance and also use of minerals/recycling etc being the name of the game it’s going to be interesting.
We’re looking at all sorts of ideas and trying to get outside of the usual box, maybe even going more closely related to our old gaff rigger in some respects. Anyway, I think we’ve got plenty of time to come up with a plan and one things for sure, with modern computing software it’s going to be a real game changer to us! I can’t wait to be honest!
on a boat that size, "maybe you'll ditch the wheel and put in a tiller????" you guys really want to deal with that at speed? in arctic waters when you could instead be steering from inside? apart from that -- you have found yourselves an incredible hull, and a perfect platform for an all-electric drivetrain/powerplant. looking forward to seeing how it goes!!
Yeah, the tillers an interesting thought. It’s simplicity we’re looking at and weight saving which is quite surprising.
We’re not planning on staying in the arctic, it’s just a place we want to go so inside wheelhouse isn’t really required.
I guess there are a number of large boats on tillers and ours isn’t all that heavy, the other thing is the twin rudders, this should massively reduce tiller efforts. I think we will run a test first, I’m not into gung ho descisions!
Thanks for the support too, it’s really cool to hear your thoughts on electric, I imagine we will have a fair amount of testing to do there too! 👍
@@SailHub I just finished successfully testing my solar-electric pontoon on the water for the first time ever -- WOW did I learn a lot of things I probably should have done differently 😂 but, that's boats, I guess -- always learning something!
What?! That sound interesting for sure!
Yeah! Everyday’s a school day!!
What a lovely boat. Aluminium is such a good boat material. Look forward to seeing how she develops.
How about the rig. Are you sticking with the standard, or something more interesting. The beauty of having a boat at this stage, significant changes are not so great an issue For me that boat would be great with a free standing mast, with some form of aero sail. Ideal for short handed.
Will you be fitting waterproof bulkheads.
Hi Mark,
A few ideas here and there. I will stick with a sloop rig though. It’s just easy for everyone. We want people to be able to come and sail with us easily. I’m also want to optimise performance by retain as much reliability as possible. We’re in talks with mast companies at present but nothing concrete yet.
Bulkheads, for sure a front one, not sure about a fully enclosed rear one, probably though but it will need a hatch to access the steering.
@@SailHub ok. But I would consider a good old mast head rig. I like to be able to sheet out to 90 deg.
@@SailHub ..of course with hatches, or full sized watertight doors, as on Navy vessels
@markthomasson5077 yeah, I think for most cruisers I would do the same, it’s a great rig and great advice. This thing has a 27° spreader angle though, a gooseneck 4” off the mast step and no kicker in the plans. Clearly designed to generate enough apparent wind to not need that 90°.
At the moment I’m leaning toward somewhere between a 3/4 and a 7/8 fractional. I liked our old Najad 373’s 7/8 fractional a lot.
Criekey, that’s pretty hardcore on the door front! I don’t think we need to go that far. It’s not an Amel! Mind you, I flippin’ love a proper adventure vessel. I just don’t think this is really one of them.