Aron Ra challenges Dr James Tour on Life's Origins
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Aron Ra always looks like he did a bong hit twenty-five minutes ago
probably did
😂😂😂
LMFAO
He looks like a Klingon had a baby with Brad Pitt....
And yet he’s still not seeing a magical sky daddy
Aron's question was straightforward, but Tour avoided it by claiming to not understand the question.
Aron's question was ridiculous...the whole purpose of the debate is how we got here....
No, the fact that life 😂costs does not prove abiogenesis or evolution. Francis Crick posited that space aliens created life. You DO know who he was?
Legend says Aron is still trying to formulate a coherent question 😂
Funny and spot on…
@@FrogToTheFrog The question exposed Aron as a clueless tool
@@FrogToTheFrog I guess you didn't watch the debate, or at least his "question"; or you are one of Aron's followers. Have a good day 😘
@@FrogToTheFrog Could you rephrase the question more concise and clear for us simpletons?
It's NOT a legend. It's a fact. Incoherent is what Ra does best, and even makes a living doing it, because he knows that nobody can ACTUALLY test his hypothesis based on VALID scientific method. Conjecture is conjecture, no matter how many want to claim it is fact.
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The atheist community taking it personal 😂
The believers trying so desperately to be right when y'all have apparently and evidently zero way of showing how your right.😅
It's a sad thing indeed to have to pretend to know that which isn't known = religious beliefs.🤭
@@jrskp3677LOL. are you talking about the debate or something else?
@@Sanctify309
I wrote what I meant.
@@snuurferalangur4357
Nothing in my previous comments even remotely approaches anger nor have I typed disrespect until now.
And y'all wonder why we think believers are dishonest? 🤭 Things like that are evidence that supports the dishonest tactics y'all use.
How about you precisely tell me how I'm claiming disrespect and exactly how I'm being hateful? Can you while being honest ? I doubt it seriously.
Look at your first comment to me, it's so shameful I'm ashamed for you. 🤦🏼 The level of vileness is sickening 🤢🤮
@@snuurferalangur4357
It's been half an hour and nothing?
I thought you actually had a good point to make here. I guess you must not have any.
Intergalactic Klingon from the far future discusses Earth's distant past. Nice.
😂🤣
😅😅😅
This is a classic case of confusing an observation with explanation.
Pretty much.
it's an implicitly necessary for Evolutionists to do that, otherwise they wouldn't be Evolutionists while understanding pretty much anything about this debate.
@@lightbeforethetunnelwtf is an evolutionist? Do you mean someone who's not a coward and needs a magic man in the sky as a crutch?
@@Efc-f6c Step 1: Go to any academic & scientific paper engine (G Scholar works)
Step 2: Type in the word Evolutionist
Step 3: Read any of the 10s of thousands of papers with that word just in the title alone, most of which are written by Evolutionists themselves.
Step 4: Stop blindly believing whatever fools like Aron Ra say & find better sources to trust please.
@@Efc-f6clol what a childish answer. Something wrong way u, faith isn't blind brother 🙏
Ra, took a plane, fought his way i to the auditorium, had to stand throughout the entire debate to remind us that something happened!
An old assuming to know what that was based on a bronze age superstition doesn't add legitimacy.
@@jrskp3677 Don't worry about my bronze age superstitions. Deal with your modern age superstitions...abiogenesis and molecules to man evilution.
@@robertszontagh1297
You're the one committing the false equivalency fallacy genius.
@@jrskp3677 You're just blabbing stardust. You're words have no authority , but thanks for sharing your faith.
I heard Ra had to help change Dave's diaper after he messed all over himself. Is that true?
And to think he waited his whole life for this moment 😂
Lol
aron always good for a laugh 🤣🤣
What makes you think that?
I am atheist and aron ra asked a very good question, now aron ra is mentioning how species became more and more complex after 100+ milions of years and if time goes backwards, happens the opposite wich means species become less complex and smaller of course.
There is ton of evidence that evolution is true and the further we go back on time the more simpler and similar creatures are untill there's a single cell and no evident life at all, just so you all know, abiogenesis isn't yet fully observable and there are differences hypothesis about abiogenesis, but evolution is enormous evidence that abiogenesis is true.
@thevoiceofscience6930 if you go backwards animals get smaller? You sure?
Ra you turned up to a gun fight with a water pistol 😂
He arrived at the wrong ball game. He arrived at the “we don’t know how it happened” debate but he was trying to go to the “something happened” debate.
😂😂😂 the poor guy is more confused in the debate than a tick on a teddy bear
I'm surprised that Aron has any issuer with Dr. James Tour, as he is just a Christian trying to get other scientists to work towards the answer unlike 99% of "Christian Scientists" He is keeping God out of the Science....unfortunately the "God" of biology is Darwin....stick to the fact we have an unknown "Known" we are running a race, we want to know how we started the race.
@@Programm4r damn, not the brightest are you? Or are you being ignorant accidentally on purpose?
He’s arguing far more than just “something happened.”
He’s saying that all of the evidence already points to abiogenesis.
Which is demonstrably true when you realize that the fossil record always contains simpler and simpler life the further back in time you go.
As if converging on a last universal common ancestor.
Which its self would make no sense to be Magic-d up by a god.
As if god is only god over the things we don’t have the answers to yet.
He is God, but only of the gaps.
Curious that every argument in favor of theism always turns into a total disaster and is always indefensible to the highest degree.
Almost like reality just can’t support its conclusions ever.
🤣👌🏻
For a 90 year old heroin addict, Aron’s hair dye still looks pretty good.
😂that’s why aron ra’s question had nothing fo do with origins of life . What a moron lol
No need to be so ruthless
😅
He’s just not the same without his “off-screen” fan blowing his stringy dyed hair…
My understanding is that his hairs a wig and he's bald
Aron Ra trying to embarrass himself worse than he did when he debated Inspiring Philosophy?
Didn’t know this existed thank you😂
Or when he debated Daniel Haqiqatjou
@@-Ahmed8592 doctor Hovind destroyed Larry Nelson
Aron Ra embarrasses himself when challenging a mirror.
In his mind he won that debate🤣so sad
Aron Ra is a parody of himself.
Do you really think that James Tour is respected in any field?
@@princegobi5992
Doesnt matter. He at least finished his schooling instead of dropping out loke a loser. :)
@@princegobi5992 do you really take Aaron Ra seriously?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@roluss4297 No you clown, James Tour is a parody of a human! Life started some 3 billion years before multicellular life began to exist! Educate yourself instead of being a worthless follower of magical thinking!
Aron is just stating what the experts in the field are claiming based on the evidence observed. If you want to contest the evidence, go right ahead.
I love these funny comments. 😂😂😂 Free entertainment!
I swear Aron Ra wasn't listening at all. How could he possibly think up this question after being at the debate?
Because James Tour is dishonest. Wasn’t the answer you’re expecting? Again, remember, James Tour’s position wasn’t that we don’t know every detail about the origin of life. Otherwise Dave wouldn’t have a disagreement with Tour. No, Tour takes the extreme rout, that we’re CLUELESS about the origin of life. That we know absolutely nothing. Not that we don’t know everything, which no scientists would disagree with.
Aron’s question is very valid. Tour starts with that we’re obviously here. Which wasn’t the question. The question was why we see this gradation from simple to complex in the fossil record. With life not existing then fossilizing but begins fossilizing in a pattern that matches naturalistic theory.
@@bonesandstuff9837
That's an atheistic reply. Farina and Aron Nelson are out of their league. Ool researchers are still clueless and not even close. Only scientists who build molecules for a living, understand this. Besides that, no one has ever even come close to building a cell and the more more they try the farther away it gets. Don't kid yourself. Farina is a clown. Show me where Dr. Tour is dishonest and why.
@bonesandstuff9837 all of which the man agrees with and we are clueless to the origin of self replication in chemical systems.
We absolutely clueless.
Thing is he doesn't apply the same rigger to his religious beliefs
@mark0032
Because of people like you, my friend, trolls exist. Do not feed the trolls, or they will return for more 🧌
@The_Urchin13 what?
I think Aron was expecting James to make a lot of religious statements during the debate so that was what he was gonna ask his question on, but James didn’t base his religious convictions on the origin of life. So Aron didn’t have a good question prepared and was left with this.
An "atheist" who names himself after a false god! HA!
Yeah why else would he show up to this debate? Dave came because he is in rebellion of God. And they wanted to make it about religion.
@@inchristalone25 And when one of the first big Statements by James was that He would NOT base his scientific opinions on his religious convictions it immediately shuts down an entire avenue of debate that both Aron and Dave wanted but didn’t get. If they did get it, they would’ve done a lot better.
Lol ok groomer
James Tour literally said "immaterial". He's talking about souls
So what's the question here? Lol i think he misses Tour's point, it flies right over his head
Isn't it dishonest to assert as fact that which isn't evidently true?
The rational idea is that life started on a planet that is not itself alive.
Claiming agency behind it which is responsible for this is where the issue lies.
It doesn't make sense to smuggle in this agent when there's no way to show it's part of the equation.
Which is tours point simplified "gawd dunnit" period. There's nothing to learn or anything that will advance our understanding with this "explanation" since it's not really an actual explanation in truth.
@@jrskp3677 well Tour was simply asking for one thing, and that is to see the equation where a chemical turns into a living cell, Dave (who claimed this to be a scientific fact by citing various papers) could've easily ended the debate by simply putting that equation on the chalk board like Tour asked him to do. The fact that Dave refused to do this means one of two things, either the equation doesn't exist or Dave doesn't understand it, the fact that no other abiogenesis agent took Tour up on his challenge tells me the equation doesn't exist
@@williamcunningham4946
That's no different than Kent hovind asking to see a fish grow legs.
And you didn't even bother to make an attempt to address the question I lead with🤷🏼why?
Instead of trying to get an artful dodge how about an honest conversation? Is that within your abilities as a person? It kinda seems like you're being dishonest yourself and I'd be inclined to believe it's due to the preferred narrative you hold as true in advance of the facts that confirms it's legitimacy, at least insofar.
@@jrskp3677 the dishonesty is coming from you my friend, no one asked to actually see the process, that's a lie, what was asked for was the equation for the process, Dave is asserting that this is a fact, Tour asked for the equation regarding this, Dave couldn't or wouldn't give it to him and instead resorted to insulting Tour and the audience, so as an honest person watching this I'm left with the conclusion that the equation doesn't exist and that Tour is correct, THAT is your honest discussion, and my original statement remains valid, the question posed by this audience member has little if anything to do with the discussion
@@williamcunningham4946
Just because there's not a mathematical sequence that shows (x+g)[3³°]y-¹/⅔ = 🧬 doesn't matter. That's specifically Kent hovind asking for a fish 🐟 growing legs.
That's not what happened and is a gross misuse of the process while conflating evolution with biogenesis.
And it also doesn't mean "gawd dunnit" either.
Don't sit there telling me I'm being dishonest when it's coming from "your side" and you precisely as the dishonest party.
Otherwise you're tactics wouldn't be nefarious and circular.
That kinda tells me you're the dangerous sort of believer that would make excuses for the atrocious acts being committed by believers whether or not you'd participate in them I'm not sure. Though I doubt you wouldn't also be able to rationalize being part of a mob that'd forcibly take people from their homes to be "tried" for nonbeleif or belief in other religions.
Or am I jumping to conclusions and you wouldn't if it were the law of the land, similar to the shari'a law only a Christian version in America?
If you think Dave’s child like behavior was bad imagine if it was Aron
Too much trying to show off his knowledge rather than ask a question.
Tour was the one acting like a petulant child.
James couldn't help but shout like a 5 year old during the whole debate, and you're calling Dave a child? He remained calm and composed, exposing James' dishonest behavior
@@stevebert2936 that’s how he talks … are u new here?
@@Mojojojo335 nobody "talks" by shouting on your opponent and asking them arbitrary things nobody asked anything about, while also lying through your teeth
Get ‘Em, Dr. Tour!!!
Well done!
He dodged the whole point.
There was no "getting" going on genius.
@@jrskp3677 next time tell Ra to give a coherent question
@@anlockcharacter1104 I think u didnt undestand the question he says lack of any evidence that there is no life before 3.8 billions years ago implies that it had have happened in that time period
@@ASH-su6nb your the one who don't understand the debate . . . . .
the debate is about the mechanism on how it occurred . . . . not the time when it happened or did it happened
its been 2 weeks from the debate and you still don't know the whole debate . . . . well Aron Ra is there the whole time and still don't understand the debate . . . . I will not be surprised with your club
@@anlockcharacter1104 the debate was about weather we are cluless that it happened, which we are not
i love how much Aaron Ra seems to know with certainty. its highly comical
Humor is how the ignorant deal with the uncomfortable dilemma of having factually accurate information being conveyed while you have a preference for the evidence lacking narrative from Bronze Age superstitious belief.
Aron nor Aaron.
But, what do I know?
I'm a non-believer and skeptical minded individual. We obviously have nothing in common beyond being living humans.
@jrskp3677 You're skepticism calls you to not make any knowledge claims so even you're own satirical finishing sentence serves you as the meal for us to enjoy. You know something, Skeptic? You think you know something? What is it that you know? Please tell me, what do you know?
You ask "what do I know" as your dogma commands you to spew out of your lips, then you live a life based on claims of knowledge and you live in certainty with them. You're dogma cannot be lived. You're dogma cannot be accepted. You're "I know nothing" is a contradiction in itself. It is more fairy tale then what you say of religious folk.
You know nothing? Well...
Do you know that?
You're suppressing God's inherent gift of common sense because of you're sinful lifestyle. Come out of the darkness of confusion, and into the light of knowledge. Taste the workings of God and live, you Skeptic.
He has evidence to back up what he says....unlike religious people
@@nakkadu wrong is the opposite
@@AguaeVida-kk9pf There is mountains of evidence for evolution and no evidence of the biblical god. If you have some evidence that the Bible is true then I'd be interested to here it.
Hey Aaron ra you still havnt answered my question from about 10ish years ago.
How many chemical and genetic changes are required to go from mud to man in 3.7 billion years.
The last time we conversed all I got was abuse from either you or one of your cult followers.
What in that 3.7 - 3.8 billion years enable non life chemistry and random chance enabled all the nessacary changes?
@patldennis you are talking nonsense
@@patldennis
Nope ya didn't, answer any question, Still waiting
dude that is your problem. you shouldn't have asked something logical.
@@bathin813
Sooo what's not logical about the question? , also can you answer the self same question? Or are you a simp for arron and can't think for your self? 🤔
@@brettmciver432 that was sarcasm. Implying he cannot answer logical questions
Ra: I can say numbers.
Tour: "I dont know what you're getting at"
He wanted Tour to consent on evolution. And he exactly did so Evolution is real and young earth creation is just a fantasy.
@@luboinchina3013 evolution=/= young earth not true.
@@luboinchina3013 I will believe it when i see it. I have seen Pokémon though. If it's anything like it's gonna be awesome
@@bathin813 I will believe your sky fairy god when I see him in person😂
@@luboinchina3013 you are looking in the wrong places. God isn't in the sky. God isn't a person.
Also I said it like that because most atheists don't believe in God because they cannot see god. But believes evolution is real without seeing it.
Aron thought he did something here lol
He did. See the fact of the matter is that the geologic record always has simpler and simpler life deeper and deeper in time, exactly as we would expect if life evolved.
If I were to do an analogy here, it would be like seeing skid marks leading to a broken fence with the posts being clearly thrown 30 feet off.
However, the car is missing.
From this we can reasonably conclude that a car crashed into the fence sending parts of it flying. The car was perhaps towed away.
But rumors spread around before you got there, claiming Santa’s sleigh was responsible for the crash, and that he hit 7 people.
You inspect the tracks, it’s clear it’s car tracks not from a magical sleigh, nor are there any Raindeer footprints, or even blood splatters from the supposed deaths, nor any reports of the deaths.
You would then reasonably conclude the rumors are made up garbage wouldn’t you?
Oh but the wanna pretenders will say “you don’t know, you weren’t there!”
Just hand waving away the clear obvious evidence that demonstrates the truth of the matter.
Well here, everything already points to life evolving from primitive single celled organisms.
We don’t have anything that primitive, nor can we replicate the precise origin of life similar to how the car is missing.
But rumors thousands of years ago attributed the origin of life to a magical god who just magic-d up everything.
Similar to how there were no indications of a magical sleigh, there’s no support that all forms of life existed at the same time.
Mammals are never found anywhere in rocks dated before the Permian. (Even then they’re not mammals yet, they’re synapsid reptiles)
Dinosaurs can never be found in ohio for exactly the reason that the dates aren’t arbitrary.
All clues point to this being a world with life forms that evolved through the morally neutral process of natural selection. Not something a god would do, as it involves innocent children getting violently ripped to pieces by the murder machines that are ubiquitous over the entire earth.
A loving god simply wouldn’t create such a horror show.
TLDR; all roads point to abiogenesis being the answer that best fits the data.
Claiming magic only creates more problems than it could even pray to solve.
One of the funniest moments of the debate.
Atheism is intellectual suicide 😭
No, Atheism has nothing in common with your conclusions.
You spelt theism wrong and you forgot to include self-deception too.
@@kidslovesatan34try me.
@@ari3903you have nothing. You purposefully disbelieve for moral and political reasons. Karl says.
@@jarrettesselman8144 imagine saying "purposefully disbelieve" and being dead serious 🤣
Aronra gets triggered every time someone shows he has faith in anything and abiogenesis is one of those times.
@@inquiry-TZ Do you accept that you have faith in some things?
@@inquiry-TZ Aronra pretends he has no faith in anything
@@inquiry-TZwho's "we" and what do you call non religious faith?
@@inquiry-TZ Good to know you're able to speak on behalf of all rational people who actually know what they're talking about. You have faith you can accurately speak on their behalf.
If you type "faith" into Google the first definition is "complete trust or confidence in someone or something". No mention of God(s) or religion or anything else you hate.
@@Macro_Abuserexcept the second definition on google says; strong belief in God or in the docteines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Context matters. It like googling the definition of lead and seeing the verb used first and second is the noun, lead as a soft metal.
Let's not confuse the working definitions of faith.
Thank you Dr Tour for the debate with Mr Farina. May God Bless you and your family.
Hardly a debate. More like shouting and offensive statements contest
The fact that Farina was even in the debate was comical to begin with. The entire debacle comes down to integrity. The OOL community has no integrity because they will not step forward and share the exact methods and procedures that they claim they used to get the results that they publish. In the cases that they do publish them they skip steps and purchase components that they must create themselves to substantiate their claims.There is no point to pay any attention to them until they can get from "nothing" to truly viable cellular life. This means that the conssesions that Dr. Tour gave them in the debate are no longer given. The shady behavior and bogus reporting embellishments must cease and repeatable results by unrelated scientists that are not controlled by funding and concensus is required.
The next debate should have someone qualified that actually presents science to back the claims.
@@DartNoobo sadly I agree with you
@@JamesBrown-fd1nv I would say to that “the love of money is the root of all evil “
They know they have nothing but they have to continue to invent and make stuff ip in order to keep it afloat.
"Mr. Farina" is a bit of a stretch judging by his disgusting manners
This is why we don’t use drugs.
You mean "This is why we dont use drugs in excess".
Because alcohol is a drug, and Jesus gives it out as a miracle.
So unless you think Jesus was wrong to do that.....
@@Marniwheeler Fail as usual. Yes, Jesus did make water into wine, but He also said not to be a drunk. He said not to be brought under the power of anything, and that would include alcohol. Now tell me, do you yet have a rational justification for your denial of God or are you still a silly atheist?
And religion is the opiate of the masses..🤯🤣
Let's go to church and have an "experience" 🤦🏼, is that before or after the eucharist ceremony?
Love me some pseudo-cannibalistic ritualism
@@Marniwheelerthere's a difference in New and fermented wine in the Bible. 1 there's a blessing in the new wine. then there is when the wine moveth aright don't touch it. the Says there is a difference. but people see wine and just go look we call wine Alcohol in modern times, then I'm just taking what we know wine to be now mostly alcoholic, even though there's non alcoholic wine nowadays aswell. 1 is bad to drunk because what it does, and the other there's a health benefit in there. maybe them masks on them faces have giving men and women brian damage I don't know, I see alot of people who don't have common sense any more.
@@christophermccall7202 Is your argument Jesus gave out non-alcoholic wine?
Because I dont believe you.
Give me a citation from the bible, or elsewhere.
Aron Ra, you're out of you league here. Dr Tour knows his stuff.
all of his Ra's fans, including Dave, were reading scripts.
Are you a Muslim or a Christian?
@@inquiry-TZ he does but Aron ra is even less knowledgeable about it. His scientific videos such as on the Cambrian explosion are garbage
what does the Dr know what would contradict anything that Aron is saying?
@@TyrellWellickEcorp Indeed. I was surprised (and not suprised) how elementary and shabby was the scholarship displayed in the one vid I started to watch. No reason to watch more, I concluded, due to what I believed to be the extreme lack of intellectual quality. I probably clicked on a couple more vids, to verify whether this first impression was accurate. It was.
When someone claims "We know This is the first indicator... followed by " Long ago and far away in a distant land lived" Is your second indicator that its a fairlytale. And most likely based on a book written in 1859.
its ironic its the same thing they accuse of religious people. a bunch of papers agreed upon by like minded people.
Perfect example of Dr Tour answering professionally with no bias this is another reason why I side with him in this debate.
He pretended not to understand the question.
@@camimaxventas5039 bec Aron's question is none sense
@@anlockcharacter1104 How is it nonsense to point out the evident progression of life forms and ask a question abput it?
@@camimaxventas5039 Because he committs _ipse dixit_ logical fallacy, aka dogmatic evo pov.
@@i7Qp4rQ well said, I thought it was also obvious
I watched this live. I didn't know Aron Ra was there. I do know one thing... Aron is very much out of his league but he probably is narcissistic enough to think he somehow could debate jim on this.
Aron is a formidable debater on this topic and his arguments are buttressed with science and reason. Jim is a creationist and isn't taken seriously by anyone outside of the Discovery Institute and his cult on this topic.
@@kidslovesatan34nice joke.
@@antonivanov1351 IT was actually and incisive comment and a devastating critique on anti science religious hysteria. Creationism is a joke, I'll give you that.
@@kidslovesatan34 ok :)
@@kidslovesatan34 You people are brainwashed. Jim is a Dr. Aron wouldn't be able to even keep up with most of what Jim is even saying!!
Im an atheist, but Dr. Tour was right here
Curious question here. I’m wondering as an atheist how you wrestle with the origin of life question? I was as a teenager and remember thinking well we just don’t know and that’s that. Maybe one day we will. But do you look into deeper or have a found your way of integrating that mystery?
@@wilsonsclips_ I don't know how life began. I don't think anyone does. That's in no way evidence of God's existence though. You'd have to have a time machine and observe life beginning I think. I'm more of an agnostic athiest, and can't say god doesn't exist for sure(but I don't believe god exists). I can say with all certainty, the supernatural claims of the Bible aren't true though.
@@travissimpson7829 two questions then. If you had the Time Machine and you saw it was God who created all form from non form, would you then believe in the creator? And similarly, for that unknown of the origin of life why do you say you’d like a Time Machine but for the historical accuracy of the Bible and fact checking that you wouldn’t use the Time Machine aswell?
Not arguing either this is all just interesting to me. I never thought of the origin of life for a long time. But it is confusing to me. We know so much about what is happening right now in nature and have a pretty amazing scientific knowledge on so many things. I think we place science on such a pedestal though that we forget it hasn’t done much in some of the questions which are more primarily important for us in life.
@@wilsonsclips_ first question the answer is yes. The Bible's creation account has been proven completely wrong. "God" says the earth is flat in the book of Job. We don't need a time machine to know the earth is spherical. The Bible clearly dates the earth at around 6000 years old(it isn't). The flood was supposed to happen around 2700 bc, yet many civilizations including the Egyptians have detailed historical records going back much earlier and don't mention a flood. They don't mention exodus either (2 million jews wondering the desert for 40 years and zero archeological evidence?) Sure...Geological evidence does not support the flood narrative(no time machine needed to debunk that). The new testament constantly says the end times were supposed to happen before the apostles died(no time machine needed because all the apostles are dead and we're still here). Not to mention yhwh (who we know from archeological evidence was originally part of a cannanite pantheon and a lesser storm god created by el) commanded the Israelites to commit genocide and keep only the virgin females as specifically objects of plunder(numbers 31 16-35). God said you can own slaves for life and beat them(numbers 21 20-21, leviticus 25 44-46). It's obviously superstitious nonsense.
@@travissimpson7829similarly to your idea about the origin of life, you also have no idea if the miracles of the Bible are fake. I’m a Christian and to say for certain that God is real is being dishonest. I believe he is real, but no one truly knows one way or the other.
Ming grew his hair in his old age
The bible says Adam & Eve. If you stray from that, you are undermining the bible and therefore god's word. Tour cannot hold a scientifically honest position and a biblically honest position at the same time as the two ideas are mutually exclusive.
Ra is probably coping because Farina lost pitifully.
For the last time, ad hominems are not sufficient, either as evidence or debate tactics.
The only place ad hominems work is on the playground amongst toddlers. Farina should learn that.
Or if a person don't have a good argument. Imagine if Farina has the details on the chemistry/data, he will just go right to it. He doesn't, that's why he resorted to dirty tactics.
Jacob are you denying professor Dave his baby time :(
Quick could someone please pass professor Dave his pacifier 😂
Creation is a fact, that doesn’t help them either.
@@jimp5133 Well that is peak delusion.
@@patldennisJames Tour had already addressed all those paoers in detail, in previous videos, and shown their claims to be false.
nice. I found this hilarious. The answer was on point.
He flubbed it, actually.
@@inquiry-TZ what would you have answered?
@@kidslovesatan34 how would you answer it instead?
@@michaelg4919 there are two possible answers, natural or supernatural. No definitive proof for either, either is possible, but only one of them is more likely given we have zero evidence for the supernatural and massive amounts of evidence of natural processes. Easy and honest.
I am atheist and aron ra asked a very good question, now aron ra is mentioning how species became more and more complex after 100+ milions of years and if time goes backwards, happens the opposite wich means species become less complex and smaller of course.
There is ton of evidence that evolution is true and the further we go back on time the more simpler and similar creatures are untill there's a single cell and no evident life at all, just so you all know, abiogenesis isn't yet fully observable and there are differences hypothesis about abiogenesis, but evolution is enormous evidence that abiogenesis is true.
Tour playing dumb. The fact that life gets simpler and simpler the further we go back lends credence to origin of life and not spontaneous creation. But sure pretend the question was unintelligible.
Wow...I've never seen Aron ra so softspoken and humble...
When liars approach truth tellers, they know to be humble.
There, a man "possessed by a demon" comes from the caves to meet him. People had tried to tie him down but he was too strong to be bound, even with chains, for he would always break out of them; night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones. Jesus approaches and calls the demon to come out of the man, who replies "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you in the name of God never to torment me!". Jesus asks the demon for his name and is told "My name is Legion, for we are many". The demons beg Jesus not to send them away, but instead to send them into the pigs on a nearby hillside, which he does. The herd, about two thousand in number, rush down the steep bank into the sea and are drowned.
I just see a possible relevance. I won't bet any paychecks on this option.
@@stewartpink3117 you're response is repulsive. The man was humble, and you translate that to something Insulting. I would think after seeing Dave show his whole backside throughout the debate, a little humility would be refreshing
@@whitewings2363
This is the first time I've ever seen Aron Ra act better than Professor Dave on a bad day. So, it may be a little insulting from your perspective, and maybe you are right.
Do you have any experience observing his normal demeanor?
@@whitewings2363
My son's name is Jonah, Dove.
He is truly peaceful, but will rise up to keep peace when needed to face evil.
@@whitewings2363 I agree that we should treat them with respect but don't mistake his false humility for real humility. Misotheists like Dave and Ra hide behind the title of naturalist and materialism to mask their seething hatred for God. There's nothing refreshing about his behavior. Just attempted placation.
So Ra really is a time traveling warlock from WoW.
Oh man...Tour would mop the floor with Ra.
I have mopped the floor with Ra, especially when I asked him about the science of near death experiences .
He got that deer in the headlights look 😂
@@angelbrother1238 Wait. The *science* of near death experiences? Yeah, that's called hallucinations.
doubt it since Tour does not understand evolution
@@spatrk6634 He understands it but profits from denying it
Doctor Kent Hovind did and so did Matt Powell…alphabeticals like Ra are out to groom the kids…we are at war against evil groomers trying to trans kids…
Since he knows all that I'm sure he was there to witness it.
Yah, and claiming he don't have faith. He sure has witnessed all of it. Or he has faith that what others has said is true.
Time traveler 🤔 aaron
You don't have to have directly witnessed it in order to know what happened.
@@kijul468 🤣
@@pietpompiepompiepiet940 What's funny?
Th OP said: "Since he knows all that I'm sure he was there to witness it."
So, OP is saying you can't know unless you were there to witness it. Were you there to witness the creation of the universe? Was the OP? If not, you have no point about being there to directly witness something in order to know what happened.
Dear Aaron Ra,
The topic is not about what causes life or do you believe in abiogenesis or supernatural causes such as God.
The topic in a sense is about how much is our knowledge about the mechanism of life's origin. Are we clueless or not? Are these scientists pretentious or not?
Sincerely yours,
A Christian
@@SimplyGun we are . . . . scientists portray their ideas as if we are not . . . . but the experiments and data showed us that we are . . . . just like Dave's alibi of the present molecules to be different from the past molecules . . . . they don't even have the exact chemical formula for that primordial molecule . . . . Dave can't even present a model . . . . they just utter out from existence . . . . if they do . . . . Dave shouldn't just read the titles . . . .THATS THE REASON WHY DAVE'S ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW . . . . I FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!
If you people will still insist that we are not clueless . . . . and you have a valid primordial molecule formula then . . . .
1. Dave don't really know chemistry
2. Dave is just lying and afraid to write the equation to be examined by real scientists
3. both (He know that there is an equation but afraid that it will be examined by a real expert and it doesn't matter because he can't remember it or reiterate it because he is an obvious fraud)
Or you can debate DrTour and show that chemical formula of that primordial molecule . . . . Or you can search for these hiding scientists and make them face DrTour . . . .
We're not supposed to pretend to have answers as per ancient superstitious beliefs from the Bronze Age stories that comprise the Pentateuch itself.
It's not like Christian's, Muslims or Mormons had the permission of the Jews to use their scriptures for the basis of their apparent malarkey cobbled together.
Ancient Judaism wasn't supposed to be used by non Jews.
That was an exceptionally poor question from Aron Ra. There's very little noise from the atheist community so perhaps even they are ashamed of Dave Farina's performance.
So in this same comment section I've heard that we are both silent, and that we are having a fit when neither is true.. there is literally no winning with you idiots, is there?
Yes just like sports fandoms and stamp collecting societies are religions.
I am atheist and aron ra asked a very good question, now aron ra is mentioning how species became more and more complex after 100+ milions of years and if time goes backwards, happens the opposite wich means species become less complex and smaller of course.
There is ton of evidence that evolution is true and the further we go back on time the more simpler and similar creatures are untill there's a single cell and no evident life at all, just so you all know, abiogenesis isn't yet fully observable and there are differences hypothesis about abiogenesis, but evolution is enormous evidence that abiogenesis is true.
@@thevoiceofscience6930 the entire argument breaks down at the origin of life and hence the argument fails. It is analogous to arguing that cellphones today are complicated whereas cellphones fifty years ago were simple so therefore cellphones a century ago most have been extremely simple, except that cellphones didn't exist back then and couldn't exist.
@sentientflower7891 do not compare life with non-living material.
Aron Ra thinks more of himself than is warranted.
No, that's what religion does to people.
@@jrskp3677 Are you sure?
@@vinceventin459
Moreso than pretending to know like y'all believers do, yes I'm sure.
Whatever the mechanisms were, asserting an agency behind them without the confirmation of the entity claimed as responsible is smuggling it in. For apparently no good reason 🤭
He's not smug, you're just undereducated as to what has been discovered insofar.
Which doesn't parallel the narrative from the bible and as such, "it must be wrong" even though there's no way to justify how you feel. 🤷🏼Facts don't care about feelings, they're still facts regardless of what you may or may not feel.
@@vinceventin459
What, no reply?
@@jrskp3677 I believe the reply that I made is self-evident.
Aron Ra looks like a character from the lord of the rings.
If done by Amazon
I could see him chillin in Mordor.
@@HeavensMystery 😂
James intentionally misunderstood the question. Extremely dishonest tactic. This debate is in relation to evolution/abiogenesis vs creationism btw. As far as the facts go, Aron is objectively correct. James weasely manipulation fooled a lot of people here
LOL no he didn't, there wasn't much of a question really it was more of a statement basically based on imaginary ideas (rock layers / fossil = dates) stated by Ra as if they are facts. The fossils of different time periods are found mixed together in real life all the time. I won't even mention dinosaur tissue in bones found which only last thousands of years at most.. oops I did mention it lol
Aron Ra is an atheist first. Paleontologist second.
He comes with more bias than Dave’s fanboys.
He would just prefer there is no God. He'll find out soon enough
Paleontologist 400th you mean😜
@@brettmciver432
No idea what that means
He's also a theologian. LOL. I find it funny how all these atheists talks about God and the bible as if they are very adept in theology.
@@abducteeofearth1703 he spends 99% of his time being insufferable and less than 1% being a paleontologist
This isn't even fair. Poor Aron Ra.
Aron is simply stating facts. Putting facts up against make-believe isn't fair.
@@kidslovesatan34 oddly your name says you are an anarchist yet you have fallen hook line and sinker for the indoctrination your schools have spoonfed you with...
@@kidslovesatan34 s'not fair!!! boohooo!!!
@@Blissblizzard I'm all for putting facts up against make believe. But I recognise it's not fair for your side. It's just that it's really lopsided in our favour.
@MIGUEL FRANJUL I'm sorry I'm not a fantasist. Prove such a thing is even possible.
So many people with amazing questions to make, and this guy wasting his chance on that... What a shame!! 🤦🏻♂️
Wow, Ra was around billions of years ago. amazing...
Imagine the gas WHEWWW.
Haha, that makes me laugh. Most people can't even comprehend a century ago let alone billions of years.
@@SimplyGun You look into radiometric dating it IS NOT an accurate form of measurement, not to mention the whole presumption is an earth billions of years old. This "billions" CANNOT be verified.
@@SimplyGun radioactive carbon dating isn’t reliable. Sturt Manning from Cornell found discrepancy from environmental factors in his 2020 study
The fact that people assume the sun was even here a billion years ago is a ridiculous statement by itself. Assuming is the lowest form of intelligence
And if the sun wasn’t here or the earth wasn’t formed, how would anyone even know what a year is? Evolution is more religious than theism if you aren’t biased, bc it takes more faith
I know you exist just by your comment, but most people deny God bc of their conscience. Two Latin words made one, that give us no excuse. Con/with & Science/knowledge
@@SimplyGun even that doesn’t “prove” much beyond 20-25,000 yrs.
Tour did a nice job redirecting to the question at hand which is HOW
It certainly was no (f)OOLS Muddy Pool
Redirection isn't an honest answer.
The honest answer to "how'd life start" is at this point "I don't know", not a creation event.
Anything else is assuming a conclusion based on a Bronze Age superstition.
It's not like they're known for their factually accurate explanations for real world phenomenon or really anything much.
They invented sunrise and sunset, but the earth is the one moving around the sun.
The sun and moon aren't the same size.
There's evidently no firmament with windows in it to allow the "waters above" to come down as rain 🌧️, clouds are where that comes from and space (outside of earths atmosphere) isn't full of water.
The Earth isn't 🗺️, it has no foundations, isn't set on pillars unmoving nor is it anything else that the bible claims it is.
@@jrskp3677 Tour has never claimed how life started, only OOL FOOLS do that
@@universalflamethrower6342
Then the bible was written by fools.
@@universalflamethrower6342 unless they have evidence that gives us clues to how it may have started. But of course neither you or Tour believe in the Bible because that makes many unsubstantiated claims about it
Tour gave a good answer for that.
I was willing to give him that until he started making a claim that we can all agree something immaterial made everything material. Lost the entire validity of his response right there.
@@Mugen503 in what context did he say that?
@@TheologyUnleashed I’m not sure what you’re misunderstanding as he literally says from immaterial we get material. Immaterial doesn’t have any meaning in a scientific discussion which is what he’s having. Getting life from non life is still some material stuff making other material stuff.
@@Mugen503 you can think what ever you like about that claim. But for that claim to have any relationship to the debate we need to know the context in which he made that claim. It could be the case that all of Jim Tour's arguments succeed and it could be true thay we have no idea how life formed, even if the claim you mention is false.
@@TheologyUnleashed we do have a clue how life started. It may not be correct but we are not clueless. Besides that you agree then that his claim makes no sense as if we don’t know how life originated then it isn’t true that immaterial became material? We all know the context that he’s talking about with the immaterial being god.
Aaron Ra, exhibit A, clueless question on a pointless point in an actual academic setting. Well done you have provided the missing link to cluelessness from Professor Dave
If you don't see the point:
The fossil record displays a "simplification" and a (sort of) "declining scale" of life, the farther you go back in time.
This opposes the expected instantaneous emergence of all living, as described in the bible (ITO: plants, birds, sea creatures, land animals and humans, within "seven days").
So the question is:
Wouldn't this fact (the fossil record) serve as a indication that a natural process (like OOL research suggests) is nearer to the truth than a (in geological times) sudden creation?
The question is obviously not:
Are we here?
A slow miracle is no less a miracle than a fast miracle.
Thank you. Even granting Aron could have been clearer, it’s crazy how these Tour fans totally missed the point.
@@JM-jj3egNothing about abiogenesis breaks any natural laws. It’s just very improbable based on what we know right now. To Newton, it seemed unlikely that stars would maintain stable orbits instead of crashing together due to gravity. We later learned that stars have velocity, and so the probability of stars not crashing together was actually 100%, we just didn’t know the underlying physics yet.
@Detson404 so your making the fallacious argument Hawkins did. Nothing is not really nothing its a placeholder until we find it, presuppositions we will find it
@@Imperious-Aspect-of-Valor I don’t see how. I can say that, inductively, the explanation for life is probably natural since we’ve yet to observe any supernatural causes anywhere. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t be something else. It’s also possible that the cause or mechanism will never be known, there’s no natural law saying we’ll eventually know everything.
The more we learn the further away we are from knowing. It just gets more remarkably complicated. What a fantastic design we are
Aron ra got intellectually smacked on all fronts. Even by different religious people.
Doesn't matter though does it? His mind is made up and ain't nothing gonna sway his hatred for the God of the Bible.
@@jessebryant9233 What God of What Bible?
@INQUIRY Really?... Lying for Jesus?. You have no idea what you are saying. You believe that people who have a theistic world view- who have taken God at his word as revealed through the Bible and believe its true, where this is written (Revelation 21:8, But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, thise who practice magic arts, the idolators AND ALL LIARS, they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur, this is the second death)...
these people? are the ones who are willfully lying?.
as opposed to those who have a materialistic / naturalistic world view- who think we came from nothing, and nothing exploded and became something immaterial. that immaterial magically combined into the most complex structure/ working factory called the cell, which over billions of years developed (unguided) into even more complex structures and developed (unguided) muscular systems, skeletal systems, circulatory systems, nervous systems, a brain,,... Those who believe we are just like every other animal and have a common ancestry with bananas... What basis do all those who believe that way have for determining reason, logic, able to distinguish between truth and lies? what force or laws do they have which might guide them into the moral inclination to be truth tellers?
I think you're misguided.
@@dwightwhitman2781 "...taken god at his word" exactly who that wasn't suffering from Psychosis heard any mythical gods speak?
@@dwightwhitman2781 Revelation 21:8 describes your religion to a T
Tour evades the actual question.
The actual question was answered. He asked if there is evidence that "it" happened. James said obviously, because we are here, we know something happened. They are just trying to figure out HOW it happened. It's amazing how many people didn't understand his disjointed question. 😂
@@SuperCodemeisterwhat ra is saying is that the fossil record points directly to some form of abiogenesis.
Now I think with what you’re saying here, you could easily say “what caused the first cell” for which, sure you could say the fossil record doesn’t tell us. But that’s not the point.
It just strongly suggests cells spent billions of years getting extremely complex before evolving into all the life we have today.
And furthermore that attributing a god to the origin of life is quite silly when you actually think about it. We literally only see natural processes for 3 billion years in the fossil record.
But you mean to tell me god just created this one simple proto cell? With all of his power, and especially for the Christian god to hide his existence like that is highly suspect.
See it’s more than just “something happened” like tour’s hand waving would have you believe.
It’s a difference between all the evidence suggesting A over B unanimously.
What ra said didn't make sense. Of course, something happened. We are here. What Tour is saying is that we don't know what happened.
No he didn't. He literally said OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING HAPPENED! Do you not understand English? Aaron's question was POINTLESS.
This is easily one of atheism’s Achilles heel. Deep time doesn’t solve it. And when you dive into it the options are few.
I agree, especially when the big bang pegs the beginning of time to a finite amount. It's getting harder and harder the more is found in relation to the beginning.
@@robberlin2230 Big Bang says nothing about the beginning of time...
@Kijul how long ago was it do you think?
@@robberlin2230 How long ago was the beginning of the universe?
@Kijul lol sorry I thought you were actually making sense. I'll stick with normal conversations around this. It's easy to look up if you want to find out
Choosing useful words to describe time, probably leads to compounding success.
Tour literally explained nothing. Aron asked James that because we are all here now, doesn't that tell us that abiogenesis happened? Either Tour deliberately dodged the prompt or he genuinely didn't understand the question.
his response that we all concede life began, but the purpose of the debate is to determine whether it was a Naturalistic cause such as Abiogenesis or a non-Naturalistic cause such as God.
you can't just assume it's Abiogenesis. that would be a begging-the-question fallacy of assuming precisely what is in contention in the debate.
I can’t see the point of the question. Tour seems to agree with you. An interesting question though is why lie appears to have emerged only once,
I love the 3.8 billion years ago,is he sure it could have been 4 billion, just sounds more accurate if you put a point between numbers 😅
Except the error in saying 4 would be a time so great that it is longer than humans have existed.. so it does make quite a bit of a difference.
@@infinity7306 - Since it is actually not _any_ billions of years or even any millions of years, it really doesn't matter.
Aron Ra's facial expression here is analogous to his logic
His logic is rock solid.
He’s saying all the evidence points to life originating naturally from simpler life forms is demonstrated by all of geology.
Complex animals are always exclusive to younger rock matrices for their specific time period.
The older the strata, the more simple the life form.
3 billion year old material only contains things like stromatolites.
Absolutely zero vertebrates or arthropods, mollusks, NOTHING REMOTELY ADVANCED!
This alone is like finding tire marks leading directly to a crash site, and concluding it was a car crash.
Creationism is like concluding the crash site was caused by one of Santa’s reindeer.
It just doesn’t fit, sorry.
“Something happened” indeed, but it wasn’t a reindeer. No.
@@Trollsagan69420 I'm a geologist, what do you mean all of geology points to the inevitability of life? This discipline is primarily synthetic chemistry, what are you on about? Start from the simplest conceivable minimally complex prokaryote and explain what OoL researchers are as yet unable to explain by taking the most robust talking point and reaching a conclusion. If you think the most basic cell is simple, then great, that means you can point us towards the evidence of even the building blocks being synthesizes in a prebiotcally, early-earth relevant manner. We are concerning ourselves with abiogenesis here, Sir. Trains are thataway.
@@JohnSmith42374
I’m saying the evidence already points to an origin of life in the way abiogenesis would predict.
3 billion years of basic cells getting more and more complicated, before finally getting efficient enough to become complex multicellular life.
If abiogenesis and evolution were nonsense, and the ages of the rock layers meaningless you should easily be able to find a dinosaur in Ohio’s Ordovician - Permian rock layers,
A mollusk shell in a rock layer dating 2 billion years years old, and so on.
Instead, all of the fossils clearly indicate that all forms of life did not exist at the same time, and that they evolved over millions of years.
Note that I am not saying the geology tells us what exactly the origin of life looked like.
I’m just saying it points to an origin of life being extremely simple, and that these simple proto cells evolved into the eukaryotic cells over 3 billion years, and those into the multicellular life we see today
@@Trollsagan69420 you can’t be serious…seems like you missed the point of the debate as well
It was a perfectly valid question that completely invalidates your claim that we're clueless. There was once a time when no life existed on the planet, then we have unicellular life on the planet.
It's time you stopped lying, James.
Aaron should know. He was there walking to and from upon the earth 300 million years ago. Lol.
The whole thing made sense is poor Aaron’s head, but little once out of it 😂😂😂😂
Did I hear correctly hear dr. Tour say that the material came from the immaterial ???
We are created by inmaterial spirit ?
Either theism or atheism that's the case
He obviously meant that at first there was nothing & now there's something. Get it?
@@alexiscorral5594Brilliant !
@@hagaibinsealtiel3745 Scientists try to uncover HOW it happened, the mechanism behind abiogenesis just like how genetic mutations, recombination, & natural selection are one of the mechanisms for evolution.
So the wizards point was that we are here so that somehow proves that life came from non life? of course when you remove God then that's the only other option you have, the only problem is that there's absolutely no evidence to support that theory, of course everyone already knows that life comes from life.
That's one of my very favorite sayings - "Life only [ever] comes from life."
It's all we ever see. Turtles make turtles and goldfish make goldfish and amoebas make amoebas. God has given us countless, countless examples, and yet so many people just don't get it. My 4-year-old granddaughter gets it. Why can't the big people get it?
@@rubiks6 I know right, its so simple, the other funny thing is most atheists will say they don't believe in the resurrection because a dead body coming to life is a miracle, and they don't believe in miracles, but on the other hand they believe that non living matter created some sort of body, and then came to life all by its self, which is an even bigger miracle, they fail to see that they have double standards.
@@benjy288 - _"... they fail to see ..."_
They are truly, actively deluded. The Bible explains this.
This passage from Isaiah is quoted like ten times in Scripture in different books:
"“He has blinded their eyes
and hardened their heart,
lest they see with their eyes,
and understand with their heart, and turn,
and I would heal them.”
This is definitely a recurring theme. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 1 & 2 that only God can open their mind's eyes that they may see. However, we are tasked with being God's channel of communication to them (and leaving the results up to Him).
Hail Satan!
Ok, so god is alive, got it. But… where did god come from? Ah, so there must have been some other life that created god, cool. But wait, what life created the life that created god? Or maybe god isn’t alive. But then how could god create life if he wasn’t alive? My head hurts.
I started laughing at "we know that there is no vertebrates 300 million years ago" 😂
What was the challenge exactly?
😂😂 he looks like a Sith Lord in disguise
It’s pretty badass. Ngl!
@@Trollsagan69420 idk why but I think it's hilarious 😂
"Evolution is true because we here" what a baffon Aron is
Evolution is true because it has been confirmed by genetics, the fossil record, and direct observation such as the observation of speciation where one species emerges from another. Even you creationist lot have to accept evolution because you keep banging on about these "kinds" yet there are multiple species within each kind, even level above the species level such as the subfamily or even parvorder level. If you want to advocate for an ape "kind" then you have to accept macroevolution to have happened because this "kind" would include two subfamilies which is above the species level and macroevolution is evolution on/above the species level. If you want to advocate for a monkey "kind" then you have to accept macroevolution again since this "kind" includes two parvorders. Either way, you creationist lot have to accept evolution.
@@kijul468 that's not what Ra said, was it.
'It happened because we're here.'
Such profound. Wow. So much doge.
@@randomuser6306 I didn't say that's what Ra said. You completely missed the point about the fossil record and genetics? Also the fact that you creationist lost have to accept evolution either way if you want to advocate for all these created "kinds".
@@kijul468
“You creationist lot have to accept evolution”
Ho the irony!! You strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists “lot” have to accept fatalism and epistemological nihilism!! Just live it out for a second. You can’t and your own engagement in debate is your own circular refutation!!
Do you even know the difference between science, that is (methodological naturalism) and philosophical naturalism? Philosophical naturalism is a philosophical position buddy not a scientific position. The clue is in the word “philosophical”!!
At least be a consistent strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist!! Because according to the greatest atheist thinkers with possibly the highest IQs of all the atheists that ever lived….
Logic is an illusion (Nietzsche)
“Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions.”
- (Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense).
“You can not get an (ought) out of an (is)” - (David Hume)
“Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question.” (Albert Camus). Merry chap!!
“Storytellers continue their narratives late into the night to forestall death and to delay the inevitable moment when everyone must fall silent.” (Foucault).
Imagine telling all of these little stories to someone as a Christmas bed time story!! And they mock our beliefs!!
Your world view, your absurdity, your existential crisis and your epistemological crisis not the theists!!
The fact is that when our pride usurps metaphysics, that is when our pride usurps Truth and value and objective morality, we walk on the shifting sands of relativism, a narcissistic and ego driven reality!!
Continued….
Furthermore, as I pointed out already Nietzsche helpfully points out that under this strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism our search for truth is really a deep and complex way of hiding the truth. We could even say that rigorous, syllogistic, logical truth, insofar as it absorbs us, insofar as we find it impossible to doubt, insofar as we find it meaningful and significant, deflects us from the ultimate truth, the horror, emptiness, and meaninglessness of existence-it deceives. (Nietzsche). Merry chap!!
And a very cheerful group of people I bet they were a blast at Christenings, birthday parties, especially at golden wedding anniversaries and especially at funerals!!
Sorry to break it to you but the fact is that under relativism, that is under this strictly reductive, causally closed, effectively complete, atheistic nihilistic system your very ironic absolute truth claims have no more truth value than leaves blowing in the wind.. The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism “you”, the leaves, and your very ironic, smug “you creationists lot have to accept evolution” argument are destined for the same place buddy (The Fertiliser Pit//the Void/Oblivion).
Prove me wrong!! I’ll wait!!
Sorry but the belief that everything magically came from “nothing” or even worse the belief that Truth and value came from the accidental arrangement of the magical cosmic tea leaves at the bottom of the atheists morning cup of tea inevitably leads to fatalism, solipsism or epistemological nihilism!!
Equally, the belief that you can just subjectively create your own metaphysics, that is magically create your own Truth and value using a strictly reductive, causally closed, effectively complete, atheistic nihilistic system that clearly excludes metaphysical realities is synonymous with the belief in magic!!
Sorry but I’m biased against beliefs that are synonymous with the belief in magic!! I tend to doubt that they are rational!!
Do you have actual evidence or not that magic is real? I’ll wait!!
It's sort of cute seeing little creatures that usually only exist for 70, 80, 100 years if you're lucky;
prattling off absurdly large spans of time with such certainty of what was going on then, when they don't even have the omnipresence to know what's going on behind their own head 10ft away.
@@patldennis nonsense.
@@patldennis I have a million dollars on the fact that you are oblivious as to how stupid your comment is, I can't lose 😅😅😅😅😅😂😂😂
That certainty comes from a lot of people working hard on numerous subjects independently which has been compiled over quite a long time.
@@patldennis Satanic Groomer Ra…love how Kent Hovind destroyed his immoralist view of the world…reprobate and a checkered reputation in forth worth texas…Groooomers
The Greeks measured the diameter of the earth with a couple of sticks in the dirt. The scale of something being measured isn’t relevant if the method is sound.
It’s only the so called “DR, professor….” titles that makes him stand there and talk and be listened too, this Dave guy would have no audience at all if he was the regular joe with that ridiculous view on science and dishonest claims and twisting facts, instead of addressing what Ra asked he was just blubbering
The guy on stage misrepresenting his position again. Aron never said from immaterial we get material, he has always posited from non_living chemicals living cells come. Life comes from nonlife not from nothing everything comes.
Ra is the missing link
He's missing a link.
This goofy weird looking creeper shows up at these types of things and you just roll your eyes.
You know his apartment looks like John Doe’s from Seven.
@@patldennis and his wife's boyfriend
No, that's not prejudicial at all.
You're just being a good little example of Christians and their humble behavior...
No I’m not prejudging I am judging after the fact. The guy is a human troll, not Internet but as in living under a bridge,
@@MrMicronano "Im not prejudging at all" Of course. Because judging someone's room because of their appearance is not being prejudgemental. Got em
As I said, but you seem incapable of comprehending is, I am outright judging nothing pre about it.
LOL Aron Ra is a deusch
Why do you stoop to his level?
I don’t think he’s German but maybe, I don’t know his family origin.
Aron is a great example of just because you are a good speaker, doesn’t necessarily mean you are a good thinker.
That Tour guy was right when agreeing with Aron Ra.
How it happened was the Big Bang followed by Evolution.
I stand with Dr Tour.
Don't support professional liars. Desire the truth & reality.
@@kidslovesatan34 .... said the Satanist 🙄
And you think you're honest...🤭
@@kidslovesatan34 Atheist, Lee Cronin stated we created a living cell in a lab but cheated. Tour refuted that and called him out in that lie. Later Cronin stated, “we never created a living cell.” So who’s the liar? It’s always been the atheist lying for the sake of their godless religion. Always.
@@seeya101oliASWHDFIL Facts & honesty matter, that's what makes men great. That is about integrity & character.
Dude was like wtf is ur point lol
If you’re referring to Ra, his point is very simple.
But it’s more nuanced than just “something happened.”
He’s saying all the evidence points to life originating naturally from simpler life forms is demonstrated by all of geology.
Complex animals are always exclusive to younger rock matrices for their specific time period.
The older the strata, the more simple the life form.
3 billion year old material only contains things like stromatolites.
Absolutely zero vertebrates or arthropods, mollusks, NOTHING REMOTELY ADVANCED!
This alone is like finding tire marks leading directly to a crash site, and concluding it was a car crash.
Creationism is like concluding the crash site was caused by one of Santa’s reindeer.
It just doesn’t fit, sorry.
“Something happened” indeed, but it wasn’t a reindeer. No.
If I wasn't a Christian before seeing this debate I would be. :) Tours class and self control despite the abusive, dismissive and disrespect from Dave Farinas mouth spoke volumes about the spiritual war going on. Tour keep it up! God is blessing you! A fellow science nerd and Christian!
I doubt a single atheist has been converted because of creationists in 2023.
You must be a t a r d
How can you claim to be a science nerd while in the same sentance say you believe in a magical man in the sky?
I like Aron, he's got some understandable reasons as to why he's an atheist. I think everyone should get to know his background first before making fun of him, and his reasons for atheism.
However, I do find that, if we uncovered 100 more paradoxes with origin of life there would still be some who would not accept a Creator but would instead act accordingly with someone who has a commitment to naturalism.
At what point would it take for someone to acknowledge that the origin of life had to have been ordained by a Creator? How many problems and juggling needs to go on? At what point are theists allowed to make other hypotheses without being belittled?
Dr Stephen Meyer makes a great point when he says, and I paraphrase "the only process we know that creates specified and intelligent information is a mind. Darwin used this same method for coming up with his theory, what known process do we already know about that can cause change?" - thus Darwin ran with the idea of microchanges in dog and their breeds, and figured it must have happened with animals too.
There is no evidence that suggests everything we see on the atomic level today was not ordained by an extreme intelligence, only theories.
Perhaps the most interesting thing about all this, is the psychology behind each side and their thought processes because they strongly disagree but both cite evidence
Aronra knows nothing just like Dave Shuffling through all his papers!
Aww, look at you : the pot calling the silverware black...
@JR SKP dave and aronra Are both clueless and the origin of life is still a disaster! Even with all the manipulated lab environments,
You have nothing!
Tour won🏆
This was hilarious.
Lol billions of years 😂😂 kills me when I hear that
It's the same as what they claim to be god of the gaps.
Let me guess, the earth is the center of the Solar system and also of the universe too.
Not because of perspective and the distance that can be seen but because it's in the bible?
A universe that obeyed our intuitions would be like the Diskworld, flat and carried on the back of a turtle. Gut feelings lose out to evidence every time.
Looks like Aaron outsmarted himself again. Doesn’t even understand the debate
All of this debunks the nonsense told in genesis. The creation myth is all out of whack and Dr.Tour’s rebuttal doesn’t address this at all.
True
Why would anybody but a fool speak of hundred of millions and billions of years ago (with zero data, only hypothetical rhetoric) 🤣
Because of all the evidence? Something isn’t foolish because it disagrees with your intuitions. Babies intuitively think things stop existing when they aren’t looking at them. They are, it may surprise you, mistaken about that.
If Aron tried, he would mop the floor with any Christian/creationist, no matter their wisdom or experience.
what rock did he craw out from
Old school Star Trek Klingon ❤
“From the immaterial we get material” was not his point. Physics was not the subject of this discussion. His point was “from the non-living we get living.” Abiogenesis happened somehow and Genesis certainly does not contain the organic chemistry that precipitated the first unicellular life.
Was he there?
This question made absolutely no sense lol I was little worried when I saw him because I know who he is but he fumbled the ball so hard lol God struck confusion straight into his brain 😂😂😂
He came with the time of the gaps argument
@@kasin360What? No, his point was that life gets simpler the further back we look, so the original life must have been extremely simple.
Aron ra aka mr.strawman stay in your league
Please name one strawman ever presented by Aron. You can't, and I predict you will never reply to this comment.
@@infinity7306 every video he has done on"refuting the bible" almost everything he says is a strawman. I've even met atheists who agree don't get me wrong when it comes to taxonomy,zoology,and evolutionary theory he knows his stuff for the most part but when it comes to understanding ancient literature,ancient idiomatic expressions,or even understanding the bible he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about
@@paulroy1903
Name literally one, please. I doubt you have even watched his Blasphemers Bible series, or any video where he interviews actual bible scholars. Im willing to bet that the only time you have ever watched a video of his is when other believers post clips.
@@paulroy1903
**buzzer sound**
Time's up! Nice try, buddy.
Aron accidentally revealing the justification behind the faith in chemical evolution: life is here, and we know atheism is true, therefore atheism did it. Literally atheism of the gaps.
Also why do internet atheists love the filibuster? That question could have been 25 seconds shorter at least. I'm not trying to be rude to Aron, but it's a definite pattern I have been seeing: internet atheists very often refuse to just get to the point.
"Atheism did it"? What is that even supposed to mean? 😂😂
To us humans it's all guesswork. We really don't know!