Sa'id Foudah's Student Says Asharis Do Not Know the Meaning of ANY of Allah's Attributes
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In this video, I ask one of Sa'id Foudah's major students a question about the meaning of Allah's attributes. He states the standard Ashari position, which is that Asharis do not know the meaning of ANY of Allah's attributes including His knowledge, power, will, etc. They claim to only know the meaning of the lazim (entailment) of those attributes. They also hold the same positions with respect to human attributes. They do not know the meaning of human attributes. They only know the meaning of the lazim (entailment) of human attributes or any attributes of creation for that matter. There are so many problems with this position that will be obvious to many, but I will discuss these problems in more detail on a future live video reviewing this video in shaa Allah.
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MY SUMMARY
Q1 from Jake: When Asharis provide a meaning for an attribute of Allah, is the meaning for the attribute or for its "lazim"/entailement only?
Answer 1: Its not possible to have a comprehensive understanding of Allahs attribute of Knowledge. Instead, in order to achieve any understanding of it at all, we can look at its "laazim"/entailment which is that through Allah's knowledge, the reality of all things is revealed to Him (swt). The laazim of Allahs knowledge is similar to the laazim of mankinds knowledge because through our knowledge we also uncover the reality of things, but the comprehensive meaning of the attribute will always be much more deep and ungraspable.
Q2 from Jake: Is it the same for the sifat of a creation? Do we know the meaning of a humans beings knowledge, or merely its 'laazim'?
Answer 2: The soul is immaterial, and since knowledge and will are attributes rooted in the soul, the full nature of knowledge/will can never be entirely grasped. The main point however is to not compare anything to Allah. So in summary, we cannot know the full meaning of our attribute due to our lack of knowledge of even our own soul.
Great conversation by the great masyaikh. I understand everything he said.. i dont know what happened to the salafis comprehension regarding this simple things.. im Ashari since birth though from Malaysia..
Did anyone say that we didn't understand? The reason we reject it is because we DO understand.
No Jake, you didn’t understand. You think you did, but you didn’t because you don’t understand Arabic,
@@zakaria87100 he doesn’t understand it well enough then.
And it has nothing to do with arrogance, just with a hard fact.
JazakAllah'u khairan brother
If imam Omar heard these guys he would lash them ,look at what they say and they claim they r following the sahaba , what frustrates me even more is that they claim most Muslims are atharis show this to any lay man I bet he wouldn't even understand
I hope this could be a more direct conversation between Jake and the brothers, inshaAllah make it happen ya akhi, It will be beneficial for us all.
There were direct questions and direct answers. Not sure what you mean.
@@JakeBrancatella I wanted to hear you pressing more, sort of like a back n forth. I think the word I'm looking for is a debate, or a discussion
@@alabbas_ It wasn't gonna happen. That was their room on the Aqeeda of Imam At Tabari or something. It was a class not a debate room.
@@aalimah16 If you read my comment I said "make it happen". Set something up.
@@alabbas_ i was responding to your second comment. Not the original post.
They said we can’t know the meanings of the human attributes either 😅 that was a circus.
When I listen to trinitarians doing verbal gymnastics I actually start getting a headache and an eyestrain .
I got the same response when that Haroun dude started with his explanation…..
Subhunallah - it’s like the FITRA has truthful detector mechanism…..
I GET more confused by ashaira aqeeda. Same as christians explaining trinity. Confusing
Wallahi, I was thinking the same thing.
When I listen to trinitarians doing verbal gymnastics I actually start getting a headache …. And and eyesore.I got the same response when that Haroun dude started with his explanation…..
Subhunallah - it’s like the FITRA has truthful detector mechanism…..
@@bigboy6103 I asked maturidi about Fitrah, he doesnt accept it as an evidence,
ashaira and maturidi are full of confusing theories and opinions.
I tend to stay away from them, plus which is very serious THEY DONT HAVE ANY SINGLE SAHIH HADEETH to prove their aqeeda!
Nobody from sahaba said Allah has 2 powers, they said Allah has 2 hands!
WE HAVE SAHEEH HADEET THEY DONT HAVE
SIMPLE AND CLEAR
@@muslimuddin3656 U didnt get the analogy at all.
Sorry bro
@@bigboy6103 Have you considered the fact that you are simply illiterate on these matters and being a laymen you shouldn't form an opinion?
Brother Jake, if you did not know this fundamental fact about Ashari aqeedah then perhaps it’s not best to dive into aqeedah polemics without a firm grasp on what we say? Don’t let Shaytan trick you, I am not trying to be insulting
And this is not me agreeing with the title, which is really off
Brother Ahmad, what is the fundamental fact about Ashari aqeedah that I didn't know?
@@JakeBrancatella jake are you following aqeedah of salaf? i mean are you salafi?
or you follower of imam asyari or maturidi?
thx i advantage
@@wannazmi4321 Bio
Believe me, these heretical Ash'aris are crazy. Is there a sane person who does not know the meaning of the word knowledge? It is as if God spoke to them with hieroglyphs and described Himself with incomprehensible hieroglyphs that have no meaning. please Study the doctrine of the Salaf, not the doctrine of the heretical Ash’aris.
Heretics?
You mean they aren't muslims because if you do that's not islamic and I am saying this as an athari.But if you mean they are heretical in the sense of them not following the right teachings iam with you but they definitely aren't kafir.
Is Shaykh Dr Shadee Elmasry still your teacher?
I'm in contact with him, but I'm not studying with him.
The disease of philosophy. May Allah guide them.
As Ahlu sunnah wal Jama'ah, when Allah says, He is Above The Throne, He Has Hands, and so on, we believe in that, without distorting the meaning, without liking Allah to His Creation, without saying how, without negating. As Ahlul Sunnah Wal Jama'ah, we say, whatever comes to your mind, that is *not* Allah.
This is the belief of the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him and his Noble companions and whoever follow them.
Ash'aris and Maturidis are from ahlul sunnah, alhamdulillah!
@@alabbas_no
@@AbuAbdullahAlHanbali I don't understand, if asharis or matuurdi are wrong why did god allow an ashari like salahuddin to unite the Muslim ummah?
@@namikazeomar8001Salahuddin رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ was a sultan
Yes he did spread the Ashari creed in institutes but that’s not evidence Akhi
The Murabitun who were the Almoravids were Salafi in aqeedah
Yet they were helping the Ummah
Even some of the Mamluk Sultans and some of the Ottoman sultans were Salafi in itiqaad
@@alabbas_ Asharis and Maturidis are fraudsters and not from Ahlul Sunnah. وكل يدعـــي وصلا بلـيلـى * * وليلـى لا تقـــر لـهم بذاكـا
Pure misguidance
Ashris/jahmiyah 400 hijri: we don't know the meaning of Allah's attributes.
Ashris/jahmiyah 1400 hijr: we don't know the meaning of human attributes either.
Ashris/jahmiyah in the future: do we even exist?
Asharis are ahlus sunnah. They aren't jahmiyyah.
@@GamingAndCoding1 Do Ashari’s believe the Quran is the uncreated speech of ALLAH like the pious predecessors did?
Please answer the question if you are truthful..
@@bigboy6103 Yes
@@GamingAndCoding1 ruclips.net/user/livefAct8D-521g?feature=share
They believe its created
@@muslimuddin3656 how
How did they become sheikh btw ?
They are tullab ilm afaik.
But do you know how they became scholars? By studying under the feet of scholars like Saed fodeh etc.
How did this jake dude become a scholar? He didn't. He knows nothing about scholarship. He didn't study under any scholar. He is an auto didact and then he criticises generations of scholars.
@Gaming and Coding jake never claimed to be a scholar tho and we don't consider him scholar as well 🤷♂️
@GamingAndCoding1 Shaykh Abu Ghawsh is a proper shaykh in his own right.
Amazing that he even tried to translate in English...
Looks like the tale of the Asharis have gone
Jake you should of kept their threads up
Their arguments were honestly embarrassing
May Allah guide them
Whats your point here? Who are you trying to shame?
No shame here. Just explaining the position and will be useful when I explain the issue in more detail soon in shaa Allah.
It's obvious. Ahl Al kalām are deviants. They say they don't know what attribute means even for human beings
لا حول ولا قوة الا بالله
What a joke
أعوذ بالله من هذا الهراء . أهل الكلام في ضلال مبين
علم الكلام من نعم الله علينا ولولا الكلام لما بنينا ديننا على الحجة والبرهان بل على التقليد الأعمى مثل المشركين والنصارى.
@@GamingAndCoding1
وهل انتم احرص من النبي عليه الصلاة والسلام على أمته؟ إذا لاغرو عندما وصف ابن قدامة رحمه الله ألاشاعرة بالزنادقة.
@@Khaledf الله سبحانه وتعالى احتج على المشركين بعلم الكلام في القرآن وكذلك إبراهيم عليه السلام.
ثم حتى لو سلمنا أن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لم يستخدم علم الكلام فذلك لأنه لم يكنه هناك حاجة لعلم الكلام في وقته. علم الكلام هو علم المناظرة وبرز هذا العلم عندما كثرت المناظرات مع أهل الملل الأخرى ، أما النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فكان الكفار في وقته جهلة لا يعرفون شيء في الفلسفة أو العقائد فلهذا السبب خاطبهم على قدر عقولهم ولم يستخدم الألفاظ التي لا يفهمونها ، ولكن لما فتح المسلمون بلاد الكفار ولاقوا أهل الأديان كان من الواجب عليهم أن يدعوهم إلى دين الإسلام بالحجة العقلية لأن النقل ليس بدليل على من لا يؤمن به أصلا.
ومع ذلك، فإن هناك أدلة كلامية بسيطة في القرآن.
قال الله:{أَمْ خُلِقُوا مِنْ غَيْرِ شَيْءٍ أَمْ هُمُ الْخَالِقُونَ} [الطور : 35]
هذه حجة عقلية ضد الدهرية الذين يزعمون أننا جئنا بلا خالق ولا مسبب ولا مؤثر.
وأيضا جاء في القرآن:{أَلَا يَعْلَمُ مَنْ خَلَقَ وَهُوَ اللَّطِيفُ الْخَبِيرُ} [الملك : 14]
وهذه حجة عقلية تثبت أن الله سبحانه تعالى عالما لأن كل من كان يخلق بإرادته لا بد أن يكون عالما بما يختار وإن لم يكن عالما فلم تكن هناك إرادة أصلا.
وقال أيضا حكاية عن إبراهيم عليه السلام مع قومه:{إِذْ قَالَ لِأَبِيهِ يَا أَبَتِ لِمَ تَعْبُدُ مَا لَا يَسْمَعُ وَلَا يُبْصِرُ وَلَا يُغْنِي عَنكَ شَيْئًا} [مريم : 42]
فاستخدم الحجة العقلية وهي أنه من لا يسمع ولا ينفع ولا يرى فهذا كله نقص ولا يليق بالله.
وقال أيضا حكاية عن إبراهيم:{فَلَمَّا جَنَّ عَلَيْهِ اللَّيْلُ رَأَىٰ كَوْكَبًا ۖ قَالَ هَٰذَا رَبِّي ۖ فَلَمَّا أَفَلَ قَالَ لَا أُحِبُّ الْآفِلِينَ} [الأنعام : 76]
فهذا دليل عقلي استخدمه إبراهيم عليه السلام مع قومه وهو أن كل ما أفل واختفى لا يصلح أن يكون إله، فكيف تعبدون الكواكب وهو تأفل وتتغير؟؟
وقال الله أيضا في القرآن: {وَاتَّخَذَ قَوْمُ مُوسَىٰ مِن بَعْدِهِ مِنْ حُلِيِّهِمْ عِجْلًا جَسَدًا لَّهُ خُوَارٌ ۚ أَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّهُ لَا يُكَلِّمُهُمْ وَلَا يَهْدِيهِمْ سَبِيلًا ۘ اتَّخَذُوهُ وَكَانُوا ظَالِمِينَ} [الأعراف : 148]
فهذا أيضا دليل عقلي وهو أنه كيف يصلح أن يكون إلهنا جسم له خوار لا يهدي ولا يتكلم؟؟؟
وأنصحك يا أخي الكريم أن تقرأ رسالة استحسان الخوض في علم الكلام للإمام الأشعري ، ففيها أدلة من القرآن والسنة على فضل علم الكلام
@@Khaledf وابن قدامة الذي استدللت به فهو أصلا مفوض يفوض معاني الصفات وينفي الكيف عنها.
@@GamingAndCoding1
ابن قدامة ليس نبيي وليس من سلف هذه الأمة. نعم من الحنابلة من وقع في بدعة التفويض وإن كان تفويضهم غير محرر. هو ليس كتفويضكم التجهيلي. سلف الامة بعيدون كل البعد عن هراء أهل الكلام
Seriously, brother 😢 are they serious???
The 1st “shykh” the one who spoke in Arabic said that Allah have a well because the daleel of it and we affirm it because logically it is necessary.
What they are saying technically that Allah don’t know how to utilise the language that he created.
2nd time he spoke he said that Allah is Chosen. Who chose Allah? Stupid a’ashariah
Bro the second question is so funny 😂😂😂 he said that we don’t know the meanings of the human attributes just like we don’t know the meaning of Allahs attributes that is nonsense
They likening Allah to his creation 😅😅😅😅
@@sohaibali9030 he said it. Actually he said الله مختار maybe its a slip of tongue Allah knows the best but he said it brother
@@sohaibali9030 "" Maybe its a slip of tongue"' he latterly said we affirm that Allah is chosen watch from 07:50 he said نحن نثبت أن الله مختار و العياذ بالله
الله قال إن الله يختار و يفعل ما يشاء
@@sohaibali9030 maybe its a slip of tongue but he said it again later in the video Allhu aalam
@@muslimuddin3656 يا شيخ هذا عربي يا مليجي؟
سبحان الله فهو مختار!! شكلك أشعري مثلهم ليس لله أسم المختار ولا صفة
@@muslimuddin3656 المختار من أسماء الرسول عليه الصلاة و السلام
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