Just know for Death knight your runes get locked in as soon as you choose a card with a rune req. e.g. youu picked 2 unholy rune cards, so future cards will be up to 2 unholy +1 rune. And then when you picked the 1 frost rune card, you will not see any blood cards. Only 2 unholy +1 frost.
no way i literally have been playing a lot of arena lately, both with and without heartharena, thought it would be a reall cool video to compare the two, really happy you've made this!
kripp hasn't played arena in years. kolst, redbeard or doseofcoffee would be the way to go. my vote goes to redbeard cuz he's hilarious. kripp doesn't need more exposure/views anyway, he's jammin bg's to a decent sized audience.
@@21centdregs Redbeard is both hilarious and a great guy to support imo, obviously also good at the game but his personality as a whole is A tier as well.
What I've noticed in arena from experience and including watching this video, the more losses you have early the better are the decks you are facing on average. I have no idea why. There's been multiple instances where I've been at like 7-0 wins and the cards are so much worse than at 1-2 or 2-2. The decks are crazy compared to higher wins.
It's mainly because there are a lot of smurfs, so a lot of good players instantly getting into the run, that's why you meet them 'accidentally' early. But reach further than 7 and you'll see also that the decks do improve exponentially
my theory is that loads of bad players (like me) have good decks but suck at implementing them, so you see us early in the run. when u get up to 7+ youre more likely to find good players who can get to that win total with worse cards. i only hit 7+ wins once in every 10 runs or so, but i don't play a ton so maybe my theory is shit
This reminds me of why i stopped playing arena around lich king... losing because your opponent drafted the expansion legendary while you didnt is such a shitty experience
Heartharena isn't so it just looks at a tier list and gives you the best option. It also takes your deck into account just so you don't end up with 5 of the same card, but none of this is ai, it should be "is a computer going to make better draft choices" which will happen most of time
Not every computer program that analyzes a database is a artificial intelligence. Ai learns from it's environment but in this case it's just looking at what the creators put in has the good cards based on score and as some statements that check for the score and if your deck needs a certain cost
I like how most of the commentary was "Well, that's not the worst thing" and "Could've been worse". Still watched the whole video, even if you are not very smart today, you look sexy, Mr. Rarran.
Rarran i have to say that i am really impressed by your skill level when you focus. In this video and the one where you try to win a game with every class in a row, you played fantastically
I also misplayed the protodrake once. Granted, I was very drunk when I did it, but it still counts. At least you didn't concede out of embarrassment like I did
hey! anyway you can do a video on different archetypes in card games maybe from the hearthstone perspective like how these decks work... aggro, control, combo, midrange been really interested in card games and trying to get better all around so this could be interesting and helpful
Yes too many things to make it fair comparison. If done again or something similar, perhaps re-roll so get same hero/class on both so it easier to compare.
discover&card generation. if you play a card that effects on board, that also fills your hand as you play, are you really spending cards at all? cause later in the game one of you is going to be on top deck mode, while the person who played 1 or more card generation into hand has more cards to answer the board.
In current arena, u get high wins if u draft more early game small minions rather than late game minions since removal is so cheap. However, this AI tends to like big meatballs, which may cause you to spend a lot of mana playing big meatballs but ur opponent can answer it with low mana cards. So don’t reply on this AI too much, it is not accurate when it tells u to pick big meatballs.
@@thefireofthefox1 but also it sees that if stuffs synergizes. like if you pick a card that says targeted demon gets lifesteal, ofc its gonna push demons.
Yeah unfortunately this doesn't work as a comparison right now because death knight is the only s tier class atm and the next closest class isnt even a tier but b tier comparitively. You really want a death knight draft right now.
@@Rarranmental is key so I’m glad you’re feeling good man. I primarily watch your videos but stopped by stream a few times and mannnn chat was annoying as hell a lot of the time LMFAO
Didn't play hs for years but I picked 25/30 of same cards as bot. Maybe 20/30 same as you. Maybe the last few are the deciding ones but most are very clearcut.
On the topic of bots, anyone elses ranked ladder just infested with bots? Their names are random letters or ai generated WoW references and they play like default ass decks
I never liked arena, because even in the best runs you would just lose to someone who got such a fricking great combo of cards that look like they made a custom deck -.-"
Also the opponents didn't sign a consent form to participate and the study author is a participant himself. Which ethics committee signed off on this?? /s
this wont work as you have different class and different opponents, you cant compare something like this just in 2 games, you need more like 10 000 games
@@YMasterS It's not really what is commonly seen as AI. Modern chess computers also aren't referred to as AI, despite falling under it, because they aren't strictly under the definition of "artificial Intelligence", unless we are referring specifically to neural network driven chess engines, however, even then, they are referred to as engines, rather than AI algorithms. If anything, these things can be called Algorithms, rather than AI, as there is no intelligence at work here.
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He can't afford a deck tracker but he can afford performance enhancing A.I
funniest part is heartharena has a built in deck tracker
but deck tracker is so expensive
Have you seen how much deck trackers are?
Just goes to show how expensive deck trackers are.
Do people pay for deck trackers? Why?
Honest question, I don't play hearthstone.
Just know for Death knight your runes get locked in as soon as you choose a card with a rune req. e.g. youu picked 2 unholy rune cards, so future cards will be up to 2 unholy +1 rune. And then when you picked the 1 frost rune card, you will not see any blood cards. Only 2 unholy +1 frost.
What?
You slow? @@loganlemieux9020
no way i literally have been playing a lot of arena lately, both with and without heartharena, thought it would be a reall cool video to compare the two, really happy you've made this!
36:32 KEKW
rarran's reaction at 39:46 is one of the best expressions I've ever seen.
would love to see this as both drafts being same class
You’ve gotta get Kripp to come in and coach you for an arena video
Thats a cool idea!
Brilliant idea...
YES FOR SURE, he is the goat of arena
kripp hasn't played arena in years. kolst, redbeard or doseofcoffee would be the way to go. my vote goes to redbeard cuz he's hilarious. kripp doesn't need more exposure/views anyway, he's jammin bg's to a decent sized audience.
@@21centdregs Redbeard is both hilarious and a great guy to support imo, obviously also good at the game but his personality as a whole is A tier as well.
"I think he's really far behind" - Rarran with 8 more cards in hand than the opponent
48:50 I was really hoping for Rarran to accidentally trade the minion on the following turn, I would have absolutely lost it if that happened
What I've noticed in arena from experience and including watching this video, the more losses you have early the better are the decks you are facing on average. I have no idea why. There's been multiple instances where I've been at like 7-0 wins and the cards are so much worse than at 1-2 or 2-2. The decks are crazy compared to higher wins.
It's mainly because there are a lot of smurfs, so a lot of good players instantly getting into the run, that's why you meet them 'accidentally' early. But reach further than 7 and you'll see also that the decks do improve exponentially
my theory is that loads of bad players (like me) have good decks but suck at implementing them, so you see us early in the run. when u get up to 7+ youre more likely to find good players who can get to that win total with worse cards. i only hit 7+ wins once in every 10 runs or so, but i don't play a ton so maybe my theory is shit
@@21centdregs Makes more sense, happens to me as well. Sometimes the deck is good, but harder to play the 1st games
This reminds me of why i stopped playing arena around lich king... losing because your opponent drafted the expansion legendary while you didnt is such a shitty experience
Truly a rarran moment ^-^
Fun video idea regardless of the variance with opponents, I love the rare arena rarran
Heartharena isn't so it just looks at a tier list and gives you the best option. It also takes your deck into account just so you don't end up with 5 of the same card, but none of this is ai, it should be "is a computer going to make better draft choices" which will happen most of time
That's not true it is AI, there are many types of AI however the impressive AI like chatGPT uses machine learning but human made AI still is AI.
Not every computer program that analyzes a database is a artificial intelligence. Ai learns from it's environment but in this case it's just looking at what the creators put in has the good cards based on score and as some statements that check for the score and if your deck needs a certain cost
@@JackThePersonthere's a big difference between machine learning AI and rule based AI, but both are commonly referred to as AI.
I do see your point it's just kinda weird that's a type of ai because it doesn't truly learn or mimic intelligence. In this case you are right
It's just a title bro
thanks david for not cutting it out.
36:19 order KEKW
I am seeing the calluses on your hands Rarran. My man been working out. Keep it up bro I am proud of you.
I like how most of the commentary was "Well, that's not the worst thing" and "Could've been worse". Still watched the whole video, even if you are not very smart today, you look sexy, Mr. Rarran.
i think to really make this fair, you needed to be the same class.
And thus, Rarran discovers arena for himself
I just love that the imp ALWAYS goves backfire
I gasped so loudly seeing that band come down 🤣
More Rarran in Arena, I love it!
Heartharena was so good, even best arena player used it most of the time. I hope he is doing great wherever he is now 🙏
We miss you, Kripp 😢
He actually is a very successful Wordle streamer. He managed to reach diamond legend rank in Wordle and even defeated the hardest Wordle hitless.
Kripp used it to advertise it because he was involved in it. He was one of the people who fed it scores.
Thank you David, your edits give me life.
Rarran Arena drafting is really easy. Board presence and card generation are the only things you need to realize when drafting
Arena decks are usually quite heavy, you'll face loads of high cost stuff compared to usual.
that doom hammer in the second death knight game was great
Damm bro you can tell that the deck tracker is REALLY expensive because he bought this arena helper and not the tracker XD also KEKW at 36:25
Rarran i have to say that i am really impressed by your skill level when you focus.
In this video and the one where you try to win a game with every class in a row, you played fantastically
I also misplayed the protodrake once. Granted, I was very drunk when I did it, but it still counts. At least you didn't concede out of embarrassment like I did
i just learned about "The canadian rise" today and i cant not hear it rarran's vocie lmao
78 in modern arena is like average. 5-6 years ago that's a nearly guaranteed 10 win run, now that probably gets you to 6.
Congrats !!❤
hey! anyway you can do a video on different archetypes in card games maybe from the hearthstone perspective like how these decks work... aggro, control, combo, midrange
been really interested in card games and trying to get better all around so this could be interesting and helpful
That drake play killed braincells from me
Not started this video yet but assured that answer is YES, WITHOUT A DOUBT
Watching this made me remember why I quit Arena. It used to be so good, ugh.
More Arena Ramchi (idk if Joseph used this one) great video
that zilliax was 200 iq 58:49
56:48 why concede? Unless I'm missing something he's 2 off lethal?
So basically... rarran likes to save impbalming as a last resort rather than a tempo gain
Yes too many things to make it fair comparison. If done again or something similar, perhaps re-roll so get same hero/class on both so it easier to compare.
Seems like Rarran doesn't know that Discover is king in Arena, overvalues aoe clears, surprising honestly.
To be fair, AoE clears have been king of the Arena more than a few times in HS history.
Arena meta is potato rn, can’t blame him when in the past having a full board was king.
discover&card generation. if you play a card that effects on board, that also fills your hand as you play, are you really spending cards at all? cause later in the game one of you is going to be on top deck mode, while the person who played 1 or more card generation into hand has more cards to answer the board.
In current arena, u get high wins if u draft more early game small minions rather than late game minions since removal is so cheap. However, this AI tends to like big meatballs, which may cause you to spend a lot of mana playing big meatballs but ur opponent can answer it with low mana cards. So don’t reply on this AI too much, it is not accurate when it tells u to pick big meatballs.
It's literally based on stats. The more often a deck wins with a certain card in it, the higher rating the card will have
@@thefireofthefox1 but also it sees that if stuffs synergizes. like if you pick a card that says targeted demon gets lifesteal, ofc its gonna push demons.
why does babling book have 1/2 goddamn the powercreep
I really feel like you are the Miskif of heartstone.
Nice video idea try out some duels next they can actually be pretty fun
a case study in why death knight is S-tier in arena, also how fucked arena is atm as well, that last deck was like 25% OP legendaries lmao
42:50 Order kekw
The circumstance that you should censor "Death" in Death Knight proves that RUclips sucks
42:45 I made that exact same misplay last time I played arena lmao
Hey rsrran, jusy wanted to tell you i really enjoyed this video
love the video just think if you can managed it to make sure its the same class next time to be more on the fair side.
Yeah unfortunately this doesn't work as a comparison right now because death knight is the only s tier class atm and the next closest class isnt even a tier but b tier comparitively. You really want a death knight draft right now.
Rarran I miss your streams D:
ngl man my mental has been so much better, been having more fun with hs, not sure when ill be back
@@Rarran that's good, those streams did seem pretty toxic so take your time man. You still keep putting out top notch vids.
@@Rarran Take good care of you!
@@Rarranglad you are finding a way to do things that works for you :)
@@Rarranmental is key so I’m glad you’re feeling good man. I primarily watch your videos but stopped by stream a few times and mannnn chat was annoying as hell a lot of the time LMFAO
I hope you didnt break your bank too much getting that arena tracker Mr Rarran, here's a comment for your algorithm to make it back 🙏
Didn't play hs for years but I picked 25/30 of same cards as bot. Maybe 20/30 same as you. Maybe the last few are the deciding ones but most are very clearcut.
You could collab with Kolst for a arena video
its funny that rarran who admittedly doesnt have arena experience laughing at someone not having a turn 3 play in game 1
This video isn't actually the worst thing in the world
I think it’d be more fun if you made the decks and then pitted them head 2 head in a BO5
45:38 = Paid Actor ;)
P.S. Just Teasing
On the topic of bots, anyone elses ranked ladder just infested with bots? Their names are random letters or ai generated WoW references and they play like default ass decks
you missed voidcaller I hardly know her....
I never liked arena, because even in the best runs you would just lose to someone who got such a fricking great combo of cards that look like they made a custom deck -.-"
Once you reach 8 wins in arena every deck you face is insane lmao
This video isn't the worst thing in the world
35:08 Monkey Rarran confirmed
man krip i thought you gave up on aerna'
Dude that Mages discount spell quality was nuts
but u got different cards, how will u mesure how bad you are?
I think rarran should do 50 runs without AI and 50 with AI just to get a good sample size of data XD
Also the opponents didn't sign a consent form to participate and the study author is a participant himself. Which ethics committee signed off on this?? /s
@niedas3426 clearly the study was conducted by a small independent research group, we can't expect them to run their studies perfectly😂
@@charlesc3564 the study of a small indie research group
@@niedas3426 yeah, lets censor the names
S tier class vs B tier class diff
Kekw 36:34
so uh... you picked a lot of early minions, no lategame, but also a bunch of boardclear to get you to the lategame you dont have... idk, seems fine
What game are you gonna turn to when Hearthstone dies?
kekw
I like how the auto translate for comments makes kekw->cake ???
Imagine almost losing to a mage whos first play of the game is rewind lmao
Hearthstone is a skill based game :D
DK is just so much better man other class i hardly even know in arena
Awesome!
Rarran: "The staff feels weak..."
15 seconds later...
Rarran: "I could see staff being just good because its a weapon"
Yes
Is it me or Arena doesn't even look fun anymore?
I've never got 12-0 if that makes you feel better Rarran ;)
Please more arena- good video
KEKW
Facing chinese opponent(s): probably not a bot COPIUM
Its time for a butlerian jihad.
damn, clickbait, thought you are using an actual bot.
When he picked the dragon lackey instead of the spell one i died
In arena dragons usually generate a lot of value making them better on average than the spell lackey
this wont work as you have different class and different opponents, you cant compare something like this just in 2 games, you need more like 10 000 games
sorry i'm late i just came to leave my KEKW
Tbf the deck Rarran drafted with DK was fucking trash... and he didn't had much of an option either... sometimes you just get fucked by the draft.
1:17 No wonder why you so bad at arena when you takes murmy instead of silvermoon arcanist were you had 4 remorseless winter
more arena!
How is dk s tier it literaly has no cards bruh
23:35
How is this AI?
You probably have a warped definition of AI based on the recent AI products. AI means something different and more broad than you think.
@@YMasterS It's not really what is commonly seen as AI. Modern chess computers also aren't referred to as AI, despite falling under it, because they aren't strictly under the definition of "artificial Intelligence", unless we are referring specifically to neural network driven chess engines, however, even then, they are referred to as engines, rather than AI algorithms.
If anything, these things can be called Algorithms, rather than AI, as there is no intelligence at work here.
Play more arenas. Youre good!
KEKW X'D