Ye man, i really don't know what scares me... a camille that does 900 pure damage every Q or a champ that manages to tank all those hits and almost win
@@hexada8712 I mean, 1 entire item of gold should be enough to equalise the gap, and if what you were saying is right, tanks should get to face roll team fights, but they don't get to do that either.
"Divine ruined the game" meanwhile burning her with Sunfire and raw damage from his fucking Q and W alone. If we didn't have Sunderer in the game we'd be siting on a tank meta all year.
@@werq180 then i dont get it why does it work on every bruiser, worlds pickrate also proves that its good The item itself deals thousands of dmg per game and is really useful on champs like viego or camille
More like tank players when there are a million tank killers and more than ever anti tank items in the game but people still complain that their role is problematic... Not even a tank main btw, I just thought this is common sense
People saying tanks should not be allowed to do 1vs1 blablabla Camille is wins to tanks, imagine if u are and adc 10 0 10 and sudenlly a camille appears kicks u and pulls 1k of true damage to u like u are nothing and when u try to fight back she have a shield of 500 hp
@@GalaxyAnnihilator32 Is true but right now even tank melts like butter with things like kraken slayer and why would you play tanks where the bruisers have so much better items and can tank and do damage as an adc for example Aatrox or Graves that are really good right now
@@GalaxyAnnihilator32 The only unkillable tanks in season 12 are the ones that scale and somehow manage to get ahead early in my experience. With the amount of anti-tank in the game nowadays it sounds kind of bad on your behalf to claim a tank is unkillable
In all fairness, Camille's Q was doing over 850 true damage per recast and she landed at least 3 which is a bare minimum of 2,550 true damage. That's over half his health in true damage. Sunderer is meant to beat tanks but the real problem is Camille doing stupid amounts of true damage despite being at a gold deficit.
This item is the crux of the problem with bruisers/fighters. They need some type of healing to sustain and win a fight against a tank because they don't build as much defensive stats as a tank, but a large portion don't have sustain in their kits so they use things like blade or old conqueror and now sunderer and every time it just feels bad to play into. When the healing is weak the champs feel weak and when the healing is strong they are 1 v 5 monsters. Then you gotta balance out the healing with grievous. Not to mention all the %health damage and healing... man screw bruiser items. (Ps im a garen/jax main and abuse these items)
*Rito's 1st employe:* "What happens to anty-tank champions if we add to the game items that are design as anty-tank items?" *Rito's 2nd employee:* "Not if but When."
ive been saying since item rework divine has been overpowered, it stops all tanks and has PRE MITIGATION healing. No other form of vamp has premitigation healing, also idk why TheBauss isnt running any sort of mana sustain sion needs it so fucking bad
I do believe this video showcases sion is more than fair, he is useless against most matchups. Get any bruiser with a slight amount of anti-tank and he beats him if he doesn't suck balls. But by all means go ahead...
@@Porkey798 ya man sion is so fair. the fact that sion has an int to win playstyle already says enough. any other champion is completely useless when they go 2-10 for example. Sion is still a raid boss even when inting all game. only champions like vayne can easily match him
@@Catinthehat6969 Inting sion no longer works and anyone who simply ints will simply lose. Death is also a mechanic get used to it. And im not even referring to champions whose death provides some value like sion/karthus. A good player will see the value in dying for example to secure a freeze with sion while an inting sion will simply run it down and lose lane. Lastly wtf do you mean when you say ONLY champs like vayne my guy? There are 20 champions like vayne at this point. Every new release riot goes haha more Maxhp% true dmg
Unpopular opinion: Divine Sunderer should do no healing whatsoever. It should give more pen for armor and magic and a fair bit of damage but no healing. Really play into the Sunderer part of the name the amount of armor shred/Magic pen should make it Divine. But then again I may be biased against it simply for the fact that I utterly hate the ridiculous amount of healing in the game.
I don't care if she's a bruiser and he's a tank That's such an unhealthy balance She is full mana almost whole fight, meanwhile he has no mana so fast. Also he is not really a tank There is no real tanks these days, titanic hydra gives so much ad, that he's a max HP based bruiser not a tank
@@muerker2829 Because it's enforces your tank's shield abilities and overall healing with hp regeneration. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy thornmail. But items like Fimbulwinter and spirit visage (shield bash, second wind, revitalize) gives a lot of damage negation. I'm Skarner main, and once I build those. I literally become unkillable. By playing with that build, I can 1v1 Divine Sunderer and Botrk user, in late game.
@@Demial_Sparda you're thinking about Sion's shield as a defensive ability, but Baus actually only uses it once his opponent has already done his combo so he can blow up the shield and do damage. He pretty much only uses it as an offensive ability
if that camile dont have divine sunderer,sion wont even lose half of his hp...stupid riot give champ inbuild hp stacking mechanic edit:oh almost forgot to complain about how low his Q cooldown time too,dodge his Q? no problem its up in 5 sec while you trying to gap close to him with his slow and 7s shield that scale with his own max hp
OooOOOmg duuuUUuuud the tank has cc 😢. My auto attacks do 1000 true damage but I cant hit him because he hass cc I can't dodge. I don't want to get good at the game and actually dodge anything man I just want to stomp tanks. PLEASE RIOT give me some more anti-tank 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
ooOooOommmmMGgggggGgg duuudddd i deal 1k true dmg but when my Q true dmg ready,this tank always have shield and Q stance ready if i go on him and lose trade then he go fck away to get his cd after slowing me but if i dont do anything he will just ignore and farm on the lane without care with his auto while having giga waveclear with titanic and stupid hp scaling.Im getting schooled by random stupid guy while thinking im generalizing every tank needed to be stomped because seems this guy brain think every tank has innate passive that let them have infinite hp scaling and getting cs after death while saying this is okay,🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@itsallinthepast2944 This Camille was behind in items and gold in general and still beat sions ass with minimal effort. You can do it too little Timmy!!! Go now boy! Go play with the rest of the clowns! Cringe ass wood division player...
@@Porkey798 so camile that try to gap close while dodging sion skill is minimal effort but sion that only standstill+auto and spam his skill everytime its off cooldown while camile try to punish him is not? nice double standard clown,should see yourself with mirror first before judging people.This sion main fcking delusional
Ye no shits someone shouldn't be able to kill a tank when they're literally an entire item behind, so broken that tanks actually tank when ahead 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Do you know divine & bramble interacion ? Seems like you don't. (Spoiler: on first hit heal debuff don't work for divine).Also don't pray for hard cc vs double dash + speed buff every 5-6s.
@@micha8701 lmao you think youre the only one who knows how to read item details and note patch? Even if the first hit is not affected by grevious wound, what then about the 20-something hits that Camile made in that clip? Also not like Baus wasnt able to hard cc her. And EVEN not for GW, the seer damage from Thornmill is insane when stacked with armor, so frozen heart, which also reduce AA damage, which then also reduce lifestyle from Sunderer AA.
@@bao1964 building armor against camille is one of the worst things you can do. She is dealing 900 true damage every 3 seconds and you think building frozen heart would have changed sht?
One entire item diff and 1500 aditional HP from passive and monkeys still saying "lol imagine a tank killer champion killing tanks'' Even the minions were killing Camille That was not normal bro, it would be completally fine if they were in equal situations which was clearly not che case
"tried to dodge everything" mf did she dodged shits? Her ult literally cancels out sion's Q be default and she legit missed more than half her Es lmfao
Excuse me but tanks have a specific role as a front liner and it’s already enough that he absorbed that much damage and did that much damage Camille should have won that quicker.
@@Porkey798 how many times did he give her a shield that he broke fully where he could have otherwise used his flash and killed? I know how to outplay and you don't that's crazy🥇here's ur hardstuck gold medal
Ye man, i really don't know what scares me... a camille that does 900 pure damage every Q or a champ that manages to tank all those hits and almost win
yep. the only reason why tanks lose hard to 1v1 with sunderer is because TANKS ARENT MEANT TO BE DOING 1V1s.
@@hexada8712 not only that, camille was literally designed tokill tanks, same with fiora and she still almost lost it with sunderer
@@Rewind888 due to outplay
@@hexada8712 tell that to ornn.
@@hexada8712 I mean, 1 entire item of gold should be enough to equalise the gap, and if what you were saying is right, tanks should get to face roll team fights, but they don't get to do that either.
To be fair, Camille is practically designed to be able to take on tanks
Also he didnt build gw, with how close the fight was gw defo would have won him the fight
@@1wizardmaster1 whats gw
gawk gawk
@@AnalystOfTheTruth game winner
@@AnalystOfTheTruth god of war
What can i say, divine sunderer did 15k healing and 12k dmg that game
thats u ?
thats more than my adc most games
@@petrusv8752 oof
@@xsaud4224 Ye it smy main
the fact that it got this close is the real rpblem here, anti tank champ with anti tank build and sion just shits on her like that
That face when a tank loses to a champ meant to beat tanks 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
yeah imagine have more items, and lose 1 vs 1 for only 1 item XD
its not like she beats most of the champions right
@@saakai9174 even when in a healthy state she should always be favored by design in semi close scenarios against tanks.
@@saakai9174 it’s not
@@GSDGamingx not when she s 1 item behind
This does bring joy to my heart
"i outplayed her so hard"
proceeds to press W + Gargoyle Stoneplate and gain a seconds bar of hp in the form of a shield
"Divine ruined the game"
meanwhile burning her with Sunfire and raw damage from his fucking Q and W alone. If we didn't have Sunderer in the game we'd be siting on a tank meta all year.
Also good to know BRUISERS are either manaless or have no-existing mana costs.
Well, I guess Jax, Darius, Olaf, Pantheon, Warwick and Udyr are exceptions :/
My team's garen runs out of mana
@@ChickenCast100 udyr is a tank with off-tank build tho
@@idkidc7513 is he? After the rework I'd call him more of a juggernaut which is subcategory of bruisers/fighters. I might be wrong though
@@sandromaspindzelashvili5767 Same with my yasuo and yone
and camille Q2 has a lot of true damage also
honestly i think its not just tanks who hate that item
Punch your neighboor whos allergic to peanuts with, peanut butter
Im happy Divine sunderer is back in the meta so we can counter sunfire abusers
lol its not back in meta its so overnerfed
@@werq180 how it should be
@@werq180 if you say so
@@werq180 then i dont get it why does it work on every bruiser, worlds pickrate also proves that its good
The item itself deals thousands of dmg per game and is really useful on champs like viego or camille
LMAO THERE IS OUR BOY FEEDING AGAIN!!!!
Imagine a anti tank item kills a tank, so fair......
Image to have 160 champions and anty tank iteam i better then anty tank champions
Fighting for one minute : " Divine ruining the game". No, i'm not sure.
She was really behind from baus in gold yet she still won just because of that item
damn a tank doesnt die in 2 seconds, so unbalanced they should remove tanks and buff my main instead
youre whats wrong with league
@@limonun damn bro a champ designed for teamfights nearly kill a champion designed for 1v1s with anti tank item. Divine is op fr fr
@@turboint5920 like if camille wasnt down 3000 gold lol. Delusional people for what
What a recreation of what happened 8 months ago, the casts deserve an award.
Tank players when tank killers with anti tank items kill them 🤬😦
More like tank players when there are a million tank killers and more than ever anti tank items in the game but people still complain that their role is problematic... Not even a tank main btw, I just thought this is common sense
Tank against a tank counter > Tank almost wins even tho camille played that very well and ruled a lot of his Q
And it's for that guys that you need *_Thornmail_*
People saying tanks should not be allowed to do 1vs1 blablabla Camille is wins to tanks, imagine if u are and adc 10 0 10 and sudenlly a camille appears kicks u and pulls 1k of true damage to u like u are nothing and when u try to fight back she have a shield of 500 hp
yeah but an unkillable tank steam rolls your entire team and gets to do it again if it dies is fine
@@GalaxyAnnihilator32 Is true but right now even tank melts like butter with things like kraken slayer and why would you play tanks where the bruisers have so much better items and can tank and do damage as an adc for example Aatrox or Graves that are really good right now
it doesn’t matter what it is that jumps on an adc, they are dead regardless
@@GalaxyAnnihilator32 The only unkillable tanks in season 12 are the ones that scale and somehow manage to get ahead early in my experience. With the amount of anti-tank in the game nowadays it sounds kind of bad on your behalf to claim a tank is unkillable
@@Porkey798 tanks are not supposed to 1v5 and get kills tell me sion zac and maokai can't do it please
That wasnt the divine sunderer...
He lost 70% of his mana in that fight.
In all fairness, Camille's Q was doing over 850 true damage per recast and she landed at least 3 which is a bare minimum of 2,550 true damage. That's over half his health in true damage. Sunderer is meant to beat tanks but the real problem is Camille doing stupid amounts of true damage despite being at a gold deficit.
if he built frozen heart and thornmail he would hsve won
Sorry to tell you retard, but she ignores armor with her TRUE DAMAGE Q and Divine does pre-mitigation heal so grievous wounds has no effect.
This item is the crux of the problem with bruisers/fighters. They need some type of healing to sustain and win a fight against a tank because they don't build as much defensive stats as a tank, but a large portion don't have sustain in their kits so they use things like blade or old conqueror and now sunderer and every time it just feels bad to play into. When the healing is weak the champs feel weak and when the healing is strong they are 1 v 5 monsters. Then you gotta balance out the healing with grievous. Not to mention all the %health damage and healing... man screw bruiser items. (Ps im a garen/jax main and abuse these items)
*Rito's 1st employe:* "What happens to anty-tank champions if we add to the game items that are design as anty-tank items?"
*Rito's 2nd employee:* "Not if but When."
"I outplayed her so hard" while missing every Q, clasic babus
He still played that better with good maneuvers and dodging some w's and e's even by walking, which is insane considering sion large hitbox
He literally autoed her with sunfire procs. Baus strategy of inting on like every champ is not fun either
@@daboss4318 its not like camille played it bad she did rly good with the cancels too
Surely, you expect to hit q vs champion with 3 dashes (e count as 2) and perma movement speed buff on q.
are you stuoid? you cant hit full Q in a normal 1 vs 1, he hit all his max Q damage possible
idk shows more that tank sion broken than sunderer problem
Divine sunderer + true damage
ive been saying since item rework divine has been overpowered, it stops all tanks and has PRE MITIGATION healing. No other form of vamp has premitigation healing, also idk why TheBauss isnt running any sort of mana sustain sion needs it so fucking bad
camille should win that harder lol
baus too good
exactly, I expected her to kill him much fatster
when down items cs and levels and not hitting es or ws and only auoting and hitting q
@@swaggermoney9110 Ssshhh dont tell him the truth. Let him live in his happy little bruiser bubble
@@Porkey798 bro check my videos i mostly play bruisers idk how people like this are so delusional and give us a bad rap lmao
2 Item camille casually dealing nearly 900 true damage on a 4 sec cooldown while healing 300 health each DS proc. Just another In league
tanks complain about that yet have most dmg of the game because of sunfire
Divine and camille are fine , like sion is a fair champ.
I do believe this video showcases sion is more than fair, he is useless against most matchups. Get any bruiser with a slight amount of anti-tank and he beats him if he doesn't suck balls. But by all means go ahead...
@@Porkey798 ya man sion is so fair. the fact that sion has an int to win playstyle already says enough. any other champion is completely useless when they go 2-10 for example. Sion is still a raid boss even when inting all game. only champions like vayne can easily match him
@@Catinthehat6969 Inting sion no longer works and anyone who simply ints will simply lose. Death is also a mechanic get used to it. And im not even referring to champions whose death provides some value like sion/karthus. A good player will see the value in dying for example to secure a freeze with sion while an inting sion will simply run it down and lose lane. Lastly wtf do you mean when you say ONLY champs like vayne my guy? There are 20 champions like vayne at this point. Every new release riot goes haha more Maxhp% true dmg
@@Catinthehat6969 KDA players be like
Unpopular opinion: Divine Sunderer should do no healing whatsoever. It should give more pen for armor and magic and a fair bit of damage but no healing. Really play into the Sunderer part of the name the amount of armor shred/Magic pen should make it Divine.
But then again I may be biased against it simply for the fact that I utterly hate the ridiculous amount of healing in the game.
I don't care if she's a bruiser and he's a tank
That's such an unhealthy balance
She is full mana almost whole fight, meanwhile he has no mana so fast.
Also he is not really a tank
There is no real tanks these days, titanic hydra gives so much ad, that he's a max HP based bruiser not a tank
Well, Spirit Visage can counter Divine Sunderer as weird as it is.
why is spirit visage counter divine sunderer i think thornmail would be the item to counter the heal or not?
@@muerker2829
Because it's enforces your tank's shield abilities and overall healing with hp regeneration. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy thornmail. But items like Fimbulwinter and spirit visage (shield bash, second wind, revitalize) gives a lot of damage negation.
I'm Skarner main, and once I build those.
I literally become unkillable.
By playing with that build, I can 1v1 Divine Sunderer and Botrk user, in late game.
@@Demial_Sparda that doesn't make any fucking sense. YOu are a fucking skarner main and that doesn't mean it applies for other champions
@@Demial_Sparda you're thinking about Sion's shield as a defensive ability, but Baus actually only uses it once his opponent has already done his combo so he can blow up the shield and do damage. He pretty much only uses it as an offensive ability
@@6654andrei I mean u just gotta tread the line of having it absorb some damage to get value from the shield but not have it get broken.
Camille done zero damage wtf
if that camile dont have divine sunderer,sion wont even lose half of his hp...stupid riot give champ inbuild hp stacking mechanic
edit:oh almost forgot to complain about how low his Q cooldown time too,dodge his Q? no problem its up in 5 sec while you trying to gap close to him with his slow and 7s shield that scale with his own max hp
OooOOOmg duuuUUuuud the tank has cc 😢. My auto attacks do 1000 true damage but I cant hit him because he hass cc I can't dodge. I don't want to get good at the game and actually dodge anything man I just want to stomp tanks. PLEASE RIOT give me some more anti-tank 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
ooOooOommmmMGgggggGgg duuudddd i deal 1k true dmg but when my Q true dmg ready,this tank always have shield and Q stance ready if i go on him and lose trade then he go fck away to get his cd after slowing me but if i dont do anything he will just ignore and farm on the lane without care with his auto while having giga waveclear with titanic and stupid hp scaling.Im getting schooled by random stupid guy while thinking im generalizing every tank needed to be stomped because seems this guy brain think every tank has innate passive that let them have infinite hp scaling and getting cs after death while saying this is okay,🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@itsallinthepast2944 This Camille was behind in items and gold in general and still beat sions ass with minimal effort. You can do it too little Timmy!!! Go now boy! Go play with the rest of the clowns! Cringe ass wood division player...
@@Porkey798 so camile that try to gap close while dodging sion skill is minimal effort but sion that only standstill+auto and spam his skill everytime its off cooldown while camile try to punish him is not? nice double standard clown,should see yourself with mirror first before judging people.This sion main fcking delusional
Ye no shits someone shouldn't be able to kill a tank when they're literally an entire item behind, so broken that tanks actually tank when ahead 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Me building FFG, SV and TM.
Divine Sunderer? What is this?
Hard to tell what it is after fiora builds it and your 4k hp goes boom in 4 seconds
Sion is not fair too. WTF IS +1330 HP???
1.5 sunderer procks from Camille aparently
tank sion that needs normally 4people to kill him in 30secs is crying truedmg champ with sunderer is broken XD
With thornmill and frozen heart Baus wouldve won 100%.
Do you know divine & bramble interacion ?
Seems like you don't. (Spoiler: on first hit heal debuff don't work for divine).Also don't pray for hard cc vs double dash + speed buff every 5-6s.
@@micha8701 lmao you think youre the only one who knows how to read item details and note patch?
Even if the first hit is not affected by grevious wound, what then about the 20-something hits that Camile made in that clip? Also not like Baus wasnt able to hard cc her. And EVEN not for GW, the seer damage from Thornmill is insane when stacked with armor, so frozen heart, which also reduce AA damage, which then also reduce lifestyle from Sunderer AA.
@@bao1964 building armor against camille is one of the worst things you can do. She is dealing 900 true damage every 3 seconds and you think building frozen heart would have changed sht?
thornmail yes frozen i dont think so
it's just camille
mad, tank player? :tf:
suck it up, youre abusing one of the most broken role after item changes.
You need to play lethality udyr. He is completely balanced
he could hav ewin that fight if he only have anti healing item
One entire item diff and 1500 aditional HP from passive and monkeys still saying "lol imagine a tank killer champion killing tanks''
Even the minions were killing Camille
That was not normal bro, it would be completally fine if they were in equal situations which was clearly not che case
well now ds is bs
"i outplayed it so hard" says sion spamming q and shield while camille tried to dodge everything and burning her flash lol, sure lets buff tanks
Can't imagine being as delusional as you are
"tried to dodge everything" mf did she dodged shits? Her ult literally cancels out sion's Q be default and she legit missed more than half her Es lmfao
@@RiverNunu divine abusers would be garbage silver elo without their broken item, dont mind them
Excuse me but tanks have a specific role as a front liner and it’s already enough that he absorbed that much damage and did that much damage Camille should have won that quicker.
It's just Camille, not Divine Sunderer
its just camille with divine sunderer
clueless
camille is shit rn though
Im 3 items shes 2 L O L adc can be 5 items and bootch and you can be 2 items and still win XDDD
That sounds like you just suck at playing ADC 🗿
"I outplayed her so hard" his flash half the fight when he HAD mana "Am I a joke to you?"
There was no place to flash for the kill, he did hit her with every W and missed one E at point blank.
@@FaveoVHS lool hardstuck gold?
If the Camille dosen't have keyboard, then maybe that works....????
Here you go sir, you forgot your mask 🤡🤡
@@Porkey798 how many times did he give her a shield that he broke fully where he could have otherwise used his flash and killed? I know how to outplay and you don't that's crazy🥇here's ur hardstuck gold medal
camile was jusyt rlly good yall are so mad lmao
so good hitting point-and-click Q and ult while getting more than half her E dodged 🗿
anti tank champ + anti tank mythic and the tank here still almost won
Delutional blind pig, that doesn't look at items.
? XD THE TANK HAVE MORE ITEMS, CAMILLE JUST BUY DIVINE SUNDERER AND FULL AD XD
@@johanestebanramirezbarrios1411 camille is literally meant to be killing tanks lol what u on about
@@pandaocldental camille is bruiser, all bruiser counter tank XD
@@pandaocldental "meant to be killing tanks" acting like she doesn't kill literally everybody else just as fast.