Toyota 86 vs Lexus IS300 Differential Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- A brief tear-down and comparison of an 86 diff and IS300 diff.
The IS300 diff is a direct bolt-in replacement for the 86/BRZ/FRS (and vice versa). Luckily in Australian IS300's we only got the M22 diff shown in this video, which is 3.58 ratio and T2 Torsen LSD.
I needed this diff for my 86 as it has the right ratio for my 2JZ w/ auto trans swap.
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This is awesome, thank you for this in depth look. Looking forward to get an FRS diff for my manual IS300
Was yours originally a manual?
@@WarriorsPhoto yes sir, 2002
@@Allen.Saylor Did you keep it as a 5 speed or...?
@@WarriorsPhoto Ya it's still a manual to this day
@@Allen.Saylor Oh I was wondering if the OG transmission was swapped?
Thank u for the video i thought they don’t look the same at all but they are almost identical
@mitch thanks for the info & surprise ride along at the end. Sounds like a beauty.
Hey great video man. Just wondering which one of these would be best to Install into my 2nd gen is250?
That's wild, had no Idea they even came in a 3.58 ratio, must be an Aussie thing? In north america they only came with a 3.9 in the autos and a 3.727 for the manuals. Good to know!
Yeah, I think it was an Aussie only thing. Although I did read somewhere the US spec IS300 had a Touring Pack or something that maybe had a 3.58 ratio??
Mitcheeee the US spec gets a 3.9lsd for the auto and a 3.73lsd for the stick. Most of them have open diffs so they might have the other ratio
So just to clarify - the aussie spec IS300 torsen t2 LSD is a 3.58 final drive? That explains why the gears feel so drawn out. I was under the impression that is was 3.91 but it didn't feel like it. I have ordered a 4.55 Revolution final gear set (to suit toyota 86 / same diff) to install in my IS300. Should make a hell of a difference to acceleration then.
So, I may have missed this in the video but did you decide to go with the IS300 LSD because it had longer gears and was ideal for your 2J setup?
Greetings from Bathurst, Nice vid mate. I have an LS3 Powered 86 with TR6060 HSV box. I recently picked up the M22 IS300 3.58 diff and am going to be installing it shortly. What fluid did you end up running in yours? (full-syn 75w-85 GL-5?) The oil that came out of mine was really dark but the diff itself looks like it is in excellent condition.
Nice! Hopefully you're surprised at how easily it bolts in. I used Nulon 80w/90 GL5.
@@Mitcheeee great thanks for the info mate. Looking forward to the improved 1st-4th gear performance (mainly due to no traction with 4.11s with anything over a crack of throttle 😂)
the shell is the same part number. only the guts are different
Why do people swap an is250 diff with a GT86 diff? If the is250 is a much heavier car then the GT86? and I guess the is250 diff is designed for that car weight and more rugged....
I swapped it with the 86 diff and it’s so much better
Hey Mitcheeee, I was thinking about buying a 2013 or 17-18 frs/brz/86 torsen for my 04 Lexus IS300, Do you know what year your 86 diff was and do I need to buy any new bolts or will the old bolts work fit perfect.
ME YOU N PUPU the old bolts will work fine, but they have a taper above the threads that won’t allow them to fit in the bushing all the way. you can choose to either use washers or bore out the bushing to make the bolt sit flush. Good luck
Diego Garza thanks! Do you know what years fit or do they all fit the same
Good night do you still have the diff out the car ??? I need a measurement????
What year is the is300?
What difference did you noticewhile driving it
GR86 dif is still same or there been changes?
So which one is better ..... sorry if this is a dumb question
Nice video so are both LSD?
Yes, both are T2 Torsen LSD
Are the gear rqtios the same with a manual transmission?
Shit, I'll trade my BRZ diff for an M22. I've been looking all over for an IS300 diff with cooling fins, but can't find it anywhere. Are you sure that's not an IS200 diff?
Im boosting my IS (its the stock auto trans) and i had one question which differential would be the best one to run? I currently have the lsd Y different from a 86/frs
go for the 2017-2020 Toyota 86
they have 4.30 ratio Differential torsen but double the price of 4.10 scion frs LSD diff
So the 86 will just bolt straight into an is300? interesting
Would an 86 diff bolt straight into a Altezza? Cheers
I have an is200 with a jzx100 diff ect fitted will the 86 diff fit?
Would out be able to source and sell me a m22 diff shipped to U.S?
Is the a difference in the torque bias ratio between the two Torsens?
Do you know what are the torque specs for two 19mm bolts on the bottom and three hex 12mm bolts on the back.
I’m swapping out differential on my IS250 AWD
THANKS
Could this diff work with the manual transmission car?
So these are both 7 1/2" diameter ring gears? How about the spider gears / side gears are they 27 spline or 23 spline? I need a Torsen locking type for a 23 spline 7 1/2" type F .....any ideas? I can get them for 27 spline units but not sure about 23 spline axles.
It's 8 inches
7.5 is IS200 or Altezza AS200/RS200
If I am installing an m85 into an FRS/BRZ/86 which bushings need to be used? IS300 bushings or FRS/BRZ/86 bushings?
How many spline axle are these?
Damn i wish i would of found this video before i wasted my money on an altezza torsen in a crate lmfao anyone know where or how to get an m22 diff shipped to canada?
Which model Yesr is m22 is 300 def? 2006/07 or is all is 300 even 2013
how much torque are these diffs said to handle?
Does anyone know if the uk is220d has open diff or torsen and if open what would be the best choice for a swap to torsen thanks
If I was to put an 86 diff in an is300 would acceleration improve significantly??
Yep
Thanks I was thinking the same shit dawg
Yes but I'm wondering how much your/our top speed would be reduced.
My buddy is giving me a brz diff without the casing. I’ve got an is300 without lsd. do you know if I can put the brz dif in my is300 pumpkin? Thanks man
You can take the brz lsd and replace the open component in the is300 pumpkin with the torsen. There is a video on RUclips of a brz differential getting a 2way lsd swap and he goes over the swap and torque specs, the process would essentially be the same for the is300 since is pretty much the same pumpkin
@@136videos its on the btr Justin channel for his os giken lsd install. Theoretically the process should be the same for the is300 since they use the same housing. For my build I'm keeping the same ring and pinion just swapping out the open component for the lsd out of a brz
@@jicez6649 I’m doing the same but obviously my friend kept his ring gear so I’m wondering if I can bolt the Is300 ring to the brz lsd. So I’m just switching the lsd component. Goal is to keep the is300 housing ring and pinion.
@@ooodang180 thats what I am doing and should work, just need to find time to take apart the y38 and m82 differentials im working with to for sure know.
@@jicez6649 it works. Picked up a spare m96 everything fit right in
Noob question! I got a 4.1 diff from a brz and a 3.9 open diff from an IS and thinking about welding it, are the internals interchangeable?
Not sure. Typically open center axles are different to lsd, so they may not fit into the open center splines.
@@Mitcheeeei bolted mine right up and it worked
Which axles are you using OEM or upgraded?
DSS 1000hp shafts
Can anyone confirm if brz/gt86 has a torsen 3.9 that will fit in an is300? I've got the same 3.58 and looking to swap
You may know by now 4.1 ration in the brz/gt86. Did you go ahead with the swap?
@@fat65buicki did the swap it makes the car pretty fun
Did some is300s come with T1 Torsens?
Unsure. All Australian Is300 have T2
Soo. How does it go
Great video!
What did you do with the IS300 stub axles? Im majorly stuck doing the opposite swap (86 diff into an altezza) and i cant find IS300 stubs!
Let me know if your not using and would like to sell them
Did you ever find out? I want to stick an 86 diff in an is200
You need is300 diff cups and is300/rs200 driveshafts to do that
@@stevenwilliams6963 It has a jzx100 conversion done already
Anyway to know what diff it is base on a picture?
The differential should have a white sticker on it with the diff type.
Does anyone know how much power these types of diffs can handle?
Has held up to 2 years of weekend driving at probably 800hp average no problem.
@@Mitcheeee how many years do you use this diff??
Anybody have any strong thoughts on if either of these diffs are stronger than the other? Looking to swap my 86 with a JZ, and trying to figure if I should stick with the stock or go with the IS300 diff. I'm aware that the final drive ratio's are different, and will affect acceleration/top speed, just curious if the stock 86 diff will hold up to some power. Cheers!
The main issue with these diffs is the crush washer that is used to set the backlash in the diff. With abuse, the crush washer can compress and cause the backlash to go out of adjustment which in turn can cause damage to the ring gear and pinion. You can get billet washers that prevent this, in which case the diff is pretty strong and could cope with plenty of power. People question the strength of the Torsen assembly inside the diff, but my car makes over 900hp and cops plenty of abuse and its shown no signs of wear and tear or failure. Get it adjusted correctly, keep it serviced and it should last.
@@Mitcheeee Where would someone find these billet washers?
Can someone weld this !?😂
Will an 86 torsen diff drop into a gs300?
Did you ever find out?
Is Altezza 4.3 final gear & 86 4.3 final gear are the same? the part num are different.
nope, not the same size
Will this fit into a 2000 gs300?
no
do they fit on is250？ thanks
No, different design subframe.
So will a 86 lsd fit a automatic is300?
Yep
will the 1st gen is300 lsd rear diff fit the 3rd gen is250?!?