SHOGUN Episode 9 REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Welcome to BingetownTV's coverage of FX and HULU's newest hit series, Shogun! Today we are covering episode 9, CRIMSON SKY. This was a rollercoaster of an episode and all we have to say is WE LOVE MARIKO! In this episode, we break down all of Mariko's amazing scenes, discuss Toranaga's plan and Yabu's future, and of course throw out some theories for the finale. Plus SO MUCH more!
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As someone who speaks Japanese, I literally choked on my beer when Ishido says (in Japanese) 'Yatsu' (subtitled as 'He') when referring to Toranaga in that initial confrontation with Mariko. He then pauses, flustered, before continuing in the usual respectful manner. This is the equivalent, in context, of calling Toranaga a nasty swear word, before trying to continue as if nothing had happened. It also plays into Mariko aluding to his peasant background.
Wow amazing stuff! Thanks for that insight! It makes the scene even better!
That’s very cool insight
Good catch!
Doors closed when Fuji’s husband committed seppuku too. During that period in Japan it was performed privately
Ahh yes great call! Thank you for the insight!!!
For women, it was not called seppuku(hara kiri belly cutting) , but jigai(suicide knife thrust to the neck) done without assistance. You can hear the leper say it when the regents were discussing Mariko's decision.
I see JB's line in the garden as at first a small, emotionally-driven act of rebellion. he can't understand why mariko is acting this way or why everyone else seems to just accept that she is committing seppuku for her lord. in the garden everything is in unison and harmony, and it pisses him of so he draws a vertical line that contrasts all other lines, like "f you and your pretence of harmony". it's just like him being the one guy going against the grain of the entire Japanese society. but then he contemplates, and as the camera zooms out, you see how little difference it actually made when everything else is perfectly in line. his one line, while against the grain, is in the end insignificant to the totality of the entire garden.
the reason for this ep's title is because mariko IS the crimson sky. she has 2 important scenes in this ep where she makes the most powerful move: her meeting with the council regents and her fight with ishido's men. in both scenes, she wears a predominantly red/orange kimono. especially in the meeting, her kimono has red roses (blood crimson), paired with an outer coat that has leafless branches (hinting at the poem she gave lady ochiba) on a snow-white background (like the sky). the choice of costume in this show is extremely deliberate. everything that mariko accomplished in this ep is exactly what was described for "crimson sky" in ep 6: "a single, violent rush on Osaka castle that eliminates the council and forms a new government". mariko is that “single, violent rush on Osaka castle”. with her death, every nobles in osaka, including the ones on the council, is gonna revolt against ishido.
Beautiful analysis and exactly why we rely on you guys to clarify the intricate symbolism that we missed haha. You convinced me that Crimson Sky was directly referring to Mariko but does that mean we don't get an epic battle in Osaka in the finale??? :(
@@Bingetowntv I think this show is more about the political machination than big-scaled battle. while there is violence, an all-out battle would be an antithesis to what toranaga is trying to avoid the entire show
The spears were used defensively - perfect to defend against Mariko’s naginata. They weren’t allowed to hurt her. (This, of course, played into Mariko’s hands.)
I largely agree with you Paul, but I think, even though we didn’t see Toranaga physically, his machinations were present in almost everything that happened. He really seems to be omnipresent and omniscient, if not omnipotent.
So true! Agree with that 100 percent
You’ve probably already seen this elsewhere, but Ochiba literally means (depending on the Japanese characters used) ‘falling leaves’ - so ‘leafless branch’ is a direct reference to Ochiba herself. I’m sure more proficient Japanese speakers will be able to correct me or add more context to this.
Wow that’s awesome. Did not see that! We try our best to not read anything so we’re spoiler free! We really appreciate it when the viewers/listeners give us that awesome extra insight!
Yup, you’re right.
Hiramatsu's shocking seppuku scene in ep8 was effective, giving Mariko's suicide scene the ultimate tension and catharsis.
Rumor has it that Tokuma Nishioka, who plays Hiramatsu, came up with the idea for this series of events.
If that is true, Hiromatsu AND Tokuma Nishioka's are both goats
I love Jim’s take on JB’s garden graffiti as it connects to JB stepping up to second for Mariko. It makes total sense compared to how JB has interacted with events and Japanese customs in the past. (Sorry for the multiple comments - I’ll stop now I promise!)
Jim here- appreciate that!!! And no need to stop commenting! It’s our favorite part of having the podcast! Not sure if you are a discord user or not but we’d love to have you as a member to talk shogun and other shows!
@@Bingetowntv Just joined the Discord:-) Looking forward to learning more from all of you and your listeners/viewers.
Why did Kiyama say to JB, ``You Dutch people (JB is British) are late, they're already full of pirate merchant ships.''
In the mid-17th century, Spain had hegemony in Europe. Philipo the 2nd, whose territories included Christianity and Portugal, controlled the world's maritime trade with a powerful armada.
And he was trying to conquer China (Ming Dynasty) by using Japan's military power, which had succeeded in domestically producing guns. The method of increasing the number of Christian feudal lords through Christian missionary work, increasing their political power, and controlling them as territories was a specialty of Spain's world conquest strategy.
At that time, Japan's silver output exceeded 1/3 of the world's trading volume, and the Netherlands, which became independent from Spain, established the East India Company and exported cannons and gunpowder to export Japanese silver. It was successful. By teaching Ieyasu about Spain's conspiracy and driving out Christianity and Spain, only the Netherlands, which pursued only profit, continued to trade with Japan even during the Edo period of national isolation.
38:58 I feel bad for her son. You can tell in the early episodes he was very close to his mother and respectful to his father. When she has to leave Osaka he begs for her not to go only to be told by his mother he will be safe at his grandfathers place. His father tells him to stop acting like a child. It’s been about 3-7 months give or take since he has seen his parents. His grandfather left him in Osaka as one of the many hostages to give word to their lord about what was happening there. The same grandfather he receives news about performing seppuku because of their lord. During that scene where Mariko is going to do the same he’s probably deep in his eight fold fence especially when the doors close. After Ishido arrives to stop her the tension leaves him. The kid is probably aware that his mother has asks his father every year to die, he has watched the interactions between the two and has seen how she becomes ice with his father. In that scene earlier in the episode he may be trying to act like his father but it is really his mother who he has becomes, like ice. Like the misunderstanding Mariko had with her own father she is leaving him with no explanation.