Is it okay if I ask if you could do a video talking about Endymion and others like him? He basically like those AI channels but are bad and horrible in an entirely different (and maybe even worse) way.
I think everyone forgets that Curze was 1 of the most accomplished duelists out of all the Primarchs because he preferred hit and run and terror tactics, but he was vicious in melee, fighting with power claws giving him an advantage in grappling situations, and thanks to his foresight and shadow-walking abilities could disengage effortlessly when needed, making him a nightmare to fight in any enclosed space. If he hadn't relied so much on his foresight and more on his innate skill, he could potentially have been the deadliest primarch in hand-to-hand except for Sanguinius
Part of it is probably that corvus corax exists, and whilst i only know of 1 encounter between the 2, which corax ran away from (istivan V) , corax is such a badass it seems very much like he, who fights in much the same way as curze without the foresight, is much better. That being said, if Curze did actually train and lean on his skill moreso than his foresight, he'd absolutely have been top 2 or 3 primarch duelists.
The same Russ who was getting bodied by Angron, got KO’d by the Lion (albeit after hours), and had a heart punched out by Magnus who couldn’t even use all his power due to SoS. I don’t trust Russ’ assessment.
@@dclangst not sure you are seeing the nuance here. He was not going all out on Angron, he played Angron, and took his best all the while leading him into a trap. With the Lion, he fought to a stalemate - and then stopped fighting, Lion (once again) employed a sucker punch - I imagine the same thing would happen if the Lion gave Russ a free hit. Finally... well, he still beat Magnus - who is not a dualist, but a very powerful Pysker, so its a totally different type of fight - even if he didn't/couldn't use his full power... I think Magnus, fully powered beats all the Primarchs.
@@alastair4839 I came to say this, but I'd offer one small correction: Russ didn't fight the Lion to a stalemate. He was poised to deliver a finishing blow. Then he stopped, realizing the absurdity of the situation, and began laughing his ass off. That's when the Lion sucker punched him.
@@EvolvedTactical Its a long while ago I read that one - not even sure which book it was now, do you recall?, I'd like to re-read that passage, but thanks for the correction : )
Low-key this is kind of a win for konrad cause it's like a honey badger fighting a lion the fact that Konrad came close against the best speaks to his skill
He isn't the best, though. If you honestly think the Lion was capable of beating Sanguinius, you're fucking high. It took intervention from the Emperor and 2 relics from the Emperor for Lion to beat Angron. Sanguinius beat his ass quickly immediately after soloing a greater deamon in like, 5 strikes. People need to read the books themselves and stop relying on RUclips for all of their lore.
The lion made it very clear in the arks of omen that without the emperor's shield he would've been cut in half instantly by angron he mentioned it like 5 times and even then angron was absolutely rattling the lion's bones
@@Microwave_King You have a point of Lion not being THE best. But Sanguinius himself struggled with Angron it wasn't an easy kill. To the point he was bashed many times if you actually watched Valrak's adaptation of their battle which shows you either didn't read the books or you lack reading comprehension. Lion as an old man was not bad. I'd argue he may have dealt a similar blow to Angron with his 30K self. Minus the flying.
@gamechanger8908 he mentioned that in "Lion: son of the forest" but not in "arks of omen" Lion is physically weaker only because of his mental state and regrets. Throughout the story he gets stronger as he overcomes them and unlocks his full potential and getting warp abilities like the forest walk + the Emperor's shield he no longer has those disabilities in arks of omen since that was the entire point in son of the forest 40k lion >>>>30k lion The only reason lion won against angron was because of the emperor's shield and his new forest walk abilities he mentioned in like 5 times in arks of omen 30k lion is absolutely getting splattered by siege of terra angron and the current angron without his warp abilities and daddy's gear
Trev and Alucard grew to be best buds. Richter and Alucard were straight up comrades and Alucard and Julius were like brothers. Lion and Konrad _DESPISED_ each other from the jump.
I actually read the final fight between Curze and The Lion. The best way to sum up the fight is the utter disappointment The Lion had with his brother at one point calling him out on the fact that even though he could see the future and used that to lay traps and manipulate he was unimaginative and completely predictable as The Lion avoided all the traps Curze had set to tip the scales in his favour and proceeded to beat him down, breaking his weapons, the power pack for his armour and only after all of that did he break his spine as a final humiliation.
then you should also know that curze follows his foresight even if it shows him losing. He doesn't change his actions to prevent it. He follows em to the minute detale.
Majorkill you gotta do theory crafting and give us your ideas on what would change in the setting if Konrad never killed that guy that he saw a vision of training him. Would that heal his sanity? Would nostramo be saved form going back to its old ways after Konrad went to the great crusade?
honestly Konrad going toe to toe with the Lion more than once solidifies him in my mind as one of the top tier duelists among the primarchs, I think the only ones he probably wouldnt just default wipe the floor with are the Lion, Sanguinius, and the Khan...oh and an armed Vulkan LOL
@@chucklytell Other than Sanguinius, Konrad is the only other primarch Russ has admitted he doesn't know if he could win against. Considering how arrogant Russ is that says a lot that he would admit that.
If there is one thing the HH books got wrong is that Guilliman is a good fighter and duelist. Old lore had him as a pugalist/wrestler as it was a fave sport on Macragge. Why in old art work and No Know Fear he wields two powerfists.
It's become one of those meme lore things, he's taken some beating yes but that doesn't mean he's bad at all. Plenty of people want to make a tier list of the primarchs but that isnt warhammer to me.
Primarchs are incredibly difficult to kill due to their unmatched mastery in tactics, combat, and sheer physical resilience. While some Primarchs excel in specific areas when compared to one another, all of them are extraordinarily powerful when pitted against anyone outside their ranks. For instance, Roboute Guilliman, though not considered the most fearsome warrior among his brothers, is far from a slouch in combat. Two excellent examples of Guilliman’s prowess in battle highlight his capabilities. First, during the Horus Heresy, he was launched into space but managed to fight and kill Traitor Marines in the vacuum of space-a feat that underscores his adaptability and sheer might. Second, when Guilliman was resurrected in the 41st millennium, he immediately took to the battlefield and began slaughtering Traitor Marines, demonstrating that even after millennia of stasis, his martial skills remained peerless. Even a Primarch like Lorgar, often regarded as the weakest fighter among his brothers, is still leagues above anyone else outside their ranks. When facing opponents who aren’t Primarchs or the Emperor himself, Lorgar is virtually unstoppable. While some Primarchs may excel in different aspects of war, all of them are beings of such immense power that they dominate any battlefield they step onto.
Guilliman, the man who said that with his brothers he is unbeatable, or the Lion, the man who is so bad at working with others he actually brought Konrad to Maccrage and then wanted to bombard the planet from orbit rather than admit his mistake… Which one do you think was fucking up that fight for the loyalists? There are some primarchs that are meme tier cringe in their actions, but the writers at the time thought that kind of behaviour was cool.
Here are some ideas for consideration: What if every Astartes Legion staged a coup on the Emperor and took over the Imperium? How would they rule it and how successful would it be, compared to the canon Imperium? (this is all legions on the same side with minimal Chaos influence on events) What if 2 Primarchs held the Warmaster position cooperatively, under the assumption that those who would take issue at one Warmaster would respect the other one more and they could thus overall be more productive? Which nonhuman species would be the best fit for Chaos to take over and attain galactic dominance? If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors? What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids? What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes? What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium? What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged? How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire? What if one of the Primarchs landed on a xenos world and was raised by them? What if the Eldar managed to kill Angron before he was enslaved? What if another power rose to power during M31 instead of the Imperium, such as the Ullanor Orks, the Rangdan, or the Necrons via the Silent King returning early? What if the Beast Orks grew to threaten the Imperium before the Heresy could happen? What if the Tyranids arrived in M31, before the Heresy could happen? What if all of the Perpetuals stayed loyal to the Emperor and led the Great Crusade?
You forgot to mention that during the 2v1 battle Konrad slit the Lion's throat. You also forgot to mention that, during their last fight, Konrad went through phosphex + radiation bombardment beforehand...
@@yabarber6902 These two fights specificaly ? The first one is in the Horus Heresy - The Unremembered Empire. ( volume 27 if I recall) The second one is in the Horus Heresy series - Angels of Caliban (volume 38).
Nice video, brother. I have a suggestion for you. What if imperium of man created the ultimate space marine chapter using the gene seeds of all the twenty-one primarchs. This includes loyalist primarchs like Roboute Guilliman, Loin'l Johnsom, Jagadai Khan etc, traitor primarchs like Horus, Angron, Lorgar, Magnus the red etc and the lost primarchs. Their combined gene seed could then be further tempered to create an ultimate space marine chapter which would have the strengths of all the primarchs ( loyalist, traitor and lost) and would have weaknesses of none.
@megawl2086 I am new to the franchise so I don't know much about the gene seeds but could it be tempered enough to make it somewhat stable? Because for what I know about the lore, the some parts of loyalist, traitor and even lost primarch's gene seeds were used in the Primarus project. Roboute Guilliman was pissed when he found about this fact.
@ChaitanyaSharma-w5f there is actually one marine that Cawl put all gene seeds în him, and the rezultate was that he was în constant pain, his sould felt like it didnt belong în his body, but he did become really strong and was seen as a miniprimarch, or a medium ranked custodes if you will în terms of power I think, I havent heard of his feats but they did say he was pretty strong. Also the geneseed is not just biological în nature, the reason his soul didnt feel right în his body is because he was now connected to all the primarchs souls at once witch would be like turning your soul into strech Armstrong to be able to have all of those small parts în him, thus each primarch can bestow genetically supernatural powers like some of Corvus children being able to turn invisible like him, tho a downgraded version.
@ChaitanyaSharma-w5fuh no, the primares project was an attempt to improve and stabalise the astartes and their gene-mutations which partly succeeded. The problem is every time they cross different gene-seeds things get freaky, so imagene an astartes that suffers from the flesh change, red thirst and the wulfen curse.
Konrad is what I call a 50/50 Primarchs. If he is on his game and the precog ability is really working he is practically untouchable but if it's not he's not that difficult of an opponent In a straight fight that is. If you gotta play hide and seek with him good luck.
@Lazorvictory very true only difference would be Corvax would actually disappear in shadows and Konrad would distract people from finding him by leaving flayed corpses strapped to light posts
I seen a cool comment by someone. They said once the lion understood that he wasn’t the one that would kill kurze, he knew he could only beat the shit out of him, which is what he done. Even when the lion had him dead to rights, he never killed him.
@majorkill I've been watching for a little bit now and love the lore. I was interested in the props you have in the background. There used to be a massive sword and obviously the custodes spear. Where these stl files or what. Would love to make some of my own.
i've always wondered if every inch of the Thramas crusade was all forseen by Curze and was all to just to get to Sanquinieus so they could have their talk. Every time he "ran" he was just inching himself closer to what he already knew.
It's funny, because this does reflect the Heresy tabletop. Kurze is one of the better fighters out of his brothers (WS8 vs the typical WS7), but he's not a great primarch vs primarch duelist. So his fellow WS8 brothers (like the Lion) will beat him, eventually. But he will eat everything from dreadnoughts to squads of terminators alive, and he's fast enough to avoid fights he doesn't want. So it becomes a game of trying to fight him on your own terms, while a clever opponent can set things up how they see fit.
In a way it is sort of funny how Konrad had evidence that his Visions could be averted right here. By Konrad reacting to the vision it caused the Lion to react to him and thus change the future. Imagine if he'd been able to recognize this fact.
True though on some level I think he recognized that but by the time he did he felt he was too far gone (too many war crimes). Might as well continue down that path.
Can you do a video covering the full details of the fight between Vulkan and Magnus? I’d also wanna know more about Vulkan’s Primarch Power of “summoning the Emperor’s Divine Fire.” Does Vulkan shoot out golden Warp Fire or something like that?
Video idea: what if the imperium was forced to ally with another faction? How would it end for either? Would we see ork servitors? Tau space marines? Ect. Might be heretical but an interesting what if.
Something I wo dered after reading the scene where the Lion sneaks up on Konrad and the only reason Konrad gets away is because the Lion forgot to mute his phone is if that means he is the 2nd sneakiest primarch (with 1st place going to Corax)?
Curze is super swingy as a fighter. Sometimes he's amazing, like when he almost overwhelmed the Lion straight on in their final duel, or he just sucks. Also sometimes his precog power works, and other times the writers forget he has it. All of this is ok however, as it can easily just be hand waved away by him being a total lunatic.
Didn't Sanguinius even fear Konrad? Could've sworn I read somewhere in the heresy that he wasn't sure if he could take on Konrad and felt uneasy towards him.
Ok ,so i can explain the basic reasons for each instance of psaring Konrad from Sanguinious, Lion and Vulkan. Vulkan and sanguinious are simple in that they don't murder in cold blood. when they kill, they have morals involved in it. Lion is not so simple. He has killed in cold blood, and even regreted it. The REasons he does not kill Curse in their final fight are multible, at least fro mmy take. 1st. He sees himself in Curze. The two were the only ones who had no upbringing proper, and largely raised themselves. So, he see a dark reflection he rejects. To kill this reflection to validate Curze in his eyes. 2nd. Honor. Lion wanted to kil Curze then and there, no if and or buts. However, Curze was guilty of violating Macragge's laws, not just the Imperium. He saw fit the Guilliman, and as such, Sangunious should decide his fate. To kill him here is to deny justice in full. 3rd. Pride. Lion is many things. Honorable, powerful, empowering and wise. But, forthright among all of it is his pride. He takes pride in his loyalty. In his combat prowess. And his sons. But this pride makes him see himself as better than his brothers. This is one of the reasons why he buts heads with Guilliman so often. In this situation, he can flaunt his pride as well earned. Sanguinious and Guilliman could not corner Curze. To bring him heere in chains shows he can do what his brothers can not. 4th. Humiliation and Justice. Lion brings him here to be put on display to the people of Magragge Civitas (gurentee I mispelled that).He seeks to humble and demen Curze, no dought. But he also seeks to display justice as earned.Kurze hurt these people more than his borthers. It was only fair he be judged accordingly. This action would also be an example the Curze was his own architect, not fate. Thus the humiliation. 5th. Loyalty. This is his biggest trait, and the biggest reason why he does this. He bends rule to stay loyal. He sees Curze eascaping os much as flith on his pride, which trickles down to here. When he was no in the ruinstorm, he hunted Curze down with intent. Curze betrayed their father, and sided with Horus. He had to pay. But, while stuck in the ruinstorm, with no connection to Terra, he was left to the same worries as Guilliman, does Terra and their father still stand. Thus, when Imperium Secundus is formed, he puts his full into it. He seeks to display his loyalty is unbroken. To him, an unfulfilled hunt is s idsgrace on him, and mars his image. And while this is pride, it fits better here to showcase how important his loyalty is to him. These five reason are my takes on it. Now, Vulkan and Sanguinious do have more to them that just that, yes. But near as deep as this.
DAY 104: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.
One revision. The lion did not sneak up on conrad while hunting him through his flagship. Conrads forsight didnt need to alert him because it new the vox bead would go off. If the vox bead wasnt going to go off then kurzes forsight would have seen the lion first.
I love Curze. By far the most interesting primarch and 2nd worse childhood only to angron. Night lords are so slept on and I want him to come back with him like possessing belicor
What if the Emperor wasn’t able to reach Nuceria in time to prevent Angron dying from the High Riders? How would having one less available Primarch affect the heresy with more lopsided sides? What would happen to the War Hounds? What would happen to Nuceria? Who do you think would go to Khorne? Or what if Guilliman found Angron before the Imperium found Guilliman?
@ He also almost killed Guilliman’s mom via bombardment while attempting to kill Curze. I’m not sure if he is the type to be synergistic with differing allies.
There’s been countless times when just because can see the future doesn’t mean it’s always right. I searched this up just now but this is what it says. Not my words. “ it is well-established that the future is not fixed, even if one can see glimpses of it. The Warp, which is the source of psychic power and visions of the future, is inherently chaotic and ever-changing. Prophecies, visions, and predictions are often unreliable because they show possible futures, not guaranteed outcomes.” “Warp Prophecies and Chaos Manipulation: The Warp offers glimpses of possible futures, but these are shaped by countless variables, including the actions of individuals. For example, Eldar Farseers constantly act to influence the course of events, proving that outcomes can shift.” “Curze was wrong in assuming the future is fixed. His belief in fate was a tragic flaw, driven by his inability to see past his own visions and the deterministic lens through which he viewed the universe. In the larger context of Warhammer 40k, the future remains uncertain and malleable, shaped by countless forces, including individual choices.”
I’m confused .. so is the Lion the best swordsman and duelist? Because people say the same about Khan, Fulgrim and Angron / Sang… so which is the best?
@@62sywho could beat him? He knows what you are going to do before you do it and counters it. He knows the weaknesses and strengths of all the primarchs and plays on it. The lion sword was created by the emperor himself and can cut through anything. If he is only high mid, then what other handful of primarchs are above him and you better not say russ because the lion disarmed him in second in their duel.
@@D1str1ct I was talking about the lion… and curze is also high mid tier since he lost to him. Magnus would dumpster both. Russ would also if he used his psychic powers. Sanguinius without question… like he would slaughter both of them together. Horus would be right behind him. Definitely the khan. Vulkan did beat the living shit out of Konrad. That’s a whole lot of primearchs. Perturabo would be a contestant as well. Tho we haven’t seen him beat shit much…
@@D1str1ct Russ is a potent psycker… Lion wouldn’t have gotten anywhere if Russ chose to use his abilities. Abilities which literally killed hundreds or maybe even thousands of space marines in an instant, curbed Horus’s psychic powers, and his armor’s abilities can literally throw around space marines. Also, Russ has limited future sight too… like reading taros or premonitions like Magnus. People don’t seem to know that Russ is a full blown psycker second only to Magnus XD. He wasn’t serious against the Lion. Otherwise we would have seen him use this abilities… as we see him do so EVERYTIME he is fighting another primarch for real. Also disarmed? Russ doesn’t need a weapon. His hands work just as fine. Being disarmed isn’t that disadvantageous. Which we see when the Lion gets tackled. Btw… literally every power weapon can cut through anything. Like, the displacement shield is atom thin and it remains sharp as long as it is powered. Lions sword is rather unremarkable compared to something like Telesto that can literally grant space marines abilities powerful enough to kill titans. :/ Pretty sure there is a scene where telesto is used to shoot a titan with a beam of light… that kills everything that isn’t a blood angel. (Correction… 5 Titans. Not one. And that’s just Sanguinius’s residual psychic power doing this.) Not only is it a potent weapon that basically stops time for whoever uses it, it also does not hurt blood angels… and as I recall telesto wasn’t made by the emperor. Old lore has it that it was “blessed” by him. I’m not sure how cannon that is now.
Why did I even bother watching this video? I already knew that Majorkiil was such a Lion simp, that he would obviously say the Lion was the better fighter.
after guillemans resurrection and acquiring the emps sword has he moved up significantly up the primarch power rankings? or is he still towards the bottom end alongside 🤮lorgar🤮
You fanboying Lion real hard with this one with thinking that the One where Kurze escaped is something other than a draw and to think that Guilliman presence was the reason Lion was held back in the fourth encounter IMO
It really just comes down to who used Geologie more, which was the Lion
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Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
so your telling me I still look like a kid despite doing all the wrong things
Can you pretty please make another fantasy video 🥺.
Is it okay if I ask if you could do a video talking about Endymion and others like him? He basically like those AI channels but are bad and horrible in an entirely different (and maybe even worse) way.
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Konrad keeps getting spared so he could suffer the worst fate of all: Being Konrad Curze
Konrad Curze waking up in the morning, and remembering he's still Konrad Curze: NOOOOooooo!!!
I think they look at him the same way that Aragorn looked at Gollum. Just a pitiful animal
As a NL fan....yep. 100%
@@williamrish2736 But he was Right. That's the funny part.
The entire Community glossing over it.
He's the 2nd having a name being a massive red flag. The 1st is Horus Heresy.
2:08 Start of the Topic, enjoy.
Emperor be with you
thanks
Thank you brother.
these intros are getting longer and longer
He give us contents but i hate it when I heard the same thing over and over that I don't care
I think everyone forgets that Curze was 1 of the most accomplished duelists out of all the Primarchs because he preferred hit and run and terror tactics, but he was vicious in melee, fighting with power claws giving him an advantage in grappling situations, and thanks to his foresight and shadow-walking abilities could disengage effortlessly when needed, making him a nightmare to fight in any enclosed space. If he hadn't relied so much on his foresight and more on his innate skill, he could potentially have been the deadliest primarch in hand-to-hand except for Sanguinius
Part of it is probably that corvus corax exists, and whilst i only know of 1 encounter between the 2, which corax ran away from (istivan V) , corax is such a badass it seems very much like he, who fights in much the same way as curze without the foresight, is much better.
That being said, if Curze did actually train and lean on his skill moreso than his foresight, he'd absolutely have been top 2 or 3 primarch duelists.
Idk I think ferrus or fulgrim are a bit better with ferrus going blow for blow with the emperor.
@@al-mungus677 When did that happen?
The first fight between The Lion and Konrad cemented The Lion as my Primarch
"I'm sorry brother!"
"For what?!"
"...the dishonorable blow!"
Leman Russ once bragged he could defeat most of his brothers, but not Curze, because _he has the power of the insane_
The same Russ who was getting bodied by Angron, got KO’d by the Lion (albeit after hours), and had a heart punched out by Magnus who couldn’t even use all his power due to SoS. I don’t trust Russ’ assessment.
@@dclangst not sure you are seeing the nuance here. He was not going all out on Angron, he played Angron, and took his best all the while leading him into a trap. With the Lion, he fought to a stalemate - and then stopped fighting, Lion (once again) employed a sucker punch - I imagine the same thing would happen if the Lion gave Russ a free hit. Finally... well, he still beat Magnus - who is not a dualist, but a very powerful Pysker, so its a totally different type of fight - even if he didn't/couldn't use his full power... I think Magnus, fully powered beats all the Primarchs.
@@alastair4839 I came to say this, but I'd offer one small correction: Russ didn't fight the Lion to a stalemate. He was poised to deliver a finishing blow. Then he stopped, realizing the absurdity of the situation, and began laughing his ass off. That's when the Lion sucker punched him.
@@EvolvedTactical Its a long while ago I read that one - not even sure which book it was now, do you recall?, I'd like to re-read that passage, but thanks for the correction : )
Low-key this is kind of a win for konrad cause it's like a honey badger fighting a lion the fact that Konrad came close against the best speaks to his skill
He isn't the best, though. If you honestly think the Lion was capable of beating Sanguinius, you're fucking high. It took intervention from the Emperor and 2 relics from the Emperor for Lion to beat Angron. Sanguinius beat his ass quickly immediately after soloing a greater deamon in like, 5 strikes. People need to read the books themselves and stop relying on RUclips for all of their lore.
The lion made it very clear in the arks of omen that without the emperor's shield he would've been cut in half instantly by angron he mentioned it like 5 times and even then angron was absolutely rattling the lion's bones
@@Microwave_King You have a point of Lion not being THE best. But Sanguinius himself struggled with Angron it wasn't an easy kill. To the point he was bashed many times if you actually watched Valrak's adaptation of their battle which shows you either didn't read the books or you lack reading comprehension.
Lion as an old man was not bad. I'd argue he may have dealt a similar blow to Angron with his 30K self. Minus the flying.
@Maximum950 He also mentioned how Konrad would easily kill him now in his current state.
@gamechanger8908
he mentioned that in
"Lion: son of the forest" but not in "arks of omen"
Lion is physically weaker only because of his mental state and regrets. Throughout the story he gets stronger as he overcomes them and unlocks his full potential and getting warp abilities like the forest walk + the Emperor's shield he no longer has those disabilities in arks of omen since that was the entire point in son of the forest
40k lion >>>>30k lion
The only reason lion won against angron was because of the emperor's shield and his new forest walk abilities he mentioned in like 5 times in arks of omen
30k lion is absolutely getting splattered by siege of terra angron and the current angron without his warp abilities and daddy's gear
Lion El'Jonson vs Konrad: Belmont vs Alucard 40k Edition.
Trev and Alucard grew to be best buds. Richter and Alucard were straight up comrades and Alucard and Julius were like brothers.
Lion and Konrad _DESPISED_ each other from the jump.
Wait? Which one is Belmont? And I'd say 40k (30k) Alucard is at best Sanguinius, at worst Fulgrim?
Majorkill: *makes a new video about Lion vs Konrad*
Valrak: "FIGHT ME!!!"
I actually read the final fight between Curze and The Lion. The best way to sum up the fight is the utter disappointment The Lion had with his brother at one point calling him out on the fact that even though he could see the future and used that to lay traps and manipulate he was unimaginative and completely predictable as The Lion avoided all the traps Curze had set to tip the scales in his favour and proceeded to beat him down, breaking his weapons, the power pack for his armour and only after all of that did he break his spine as a final humiliation.
then you should also know that curze follows his foresight even if it shows him losing. He doesn't change his actions to prevent it. He follows em to the minute detale.
Corswain and Zahariel deserve a video
Zahariel deserved better. I hope he's Cypher or something and kicks Lion in the face.
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Majorkill you gotta do theory crafting and give us your ideas on what would change in the setting if Konrad never killed that guy that he saw a vision of training him. Would that heal his sanity? Would nostramo be saved form going back to its old ways after Konrad went to the great crusade?
honestly Konrad going toe to toe with the Lion more than once solidifies him in my mind as one of the top tier duelists among the primarchs, I think the only ones he probably wouldnt just default wipe the floor with are the Lion, Sanguinius, and the Khan...oh and an armed Vulkan LOL
Lemans russ? The emperor's executioner? You really think Curze would "wipe the floor with him?"
@@kirkh40 I think Curze has a better chance of beating Russ than the opposite.
@chucklytell that may be true, but wipe the floor with him? Naw
@@kirkh40 thinking about it youre probably right that Russ should be in the "has a chance to kill him back" group too lol
@@chucklytell Other than Sanguinius, Konrad is the only other primarch Russ has admitted he doesn't know if he could win against. Considering how arrogant Russ is that says a lot that he would admit that.
0:15 as someone who has a brother It's really not that big of a deal.
2:02 Let's get into it!
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
No way Majorkill just gave a "It doesn't count, I wasn't ready!" to the Lion on their first fair duel.
Are you surprised?
If there is one thing the HH books got wrong is that Guilliman is a good fighter and duelist. Old lore had him as a pugalist/wrestler as it was a fave sport on Macragge. Why in old art work and No Know Fear he wields two powerfists.
It's become one of those meme lore things, he's taken some beating yes but that doesn't mean he's bad at all. Plenty of people want to make a tier list of the primarchs but that isnt warhammer to me.
Primarchs are incredibly difficult to kill due to their unmatched mastery in tactics, combat, and sheer physical resilience. While some Primarchs excel in specific areas when compared to one another, all of them are extraordinarily powerful when pitted against anyone outside their ranks. For instance, Roboute Guilliman, though not considered the most fearsome warrior among his brothers, is far from a slouch in combat.
Two excellent examples of Guilliman’s prowess in battle highlight his capabilities. First, during the Horus Heresy, he was launched into space but managed to fight and kill Traitor Marines in the vacuum of space-a feat that underscores his adaptability and sheer might. Second, when Guilliman was resurrected in the 41st millennium, he immediately took to the battlefield and began slaughtering Traitor Marines, demonstrating that even after millennia of stasis, his martial skills remained peerless.
Even a Primarch like Lorgar, often regarded as the weakest fighter among his brothers, is still leagues above anyone else outside their ranks. When facing opponents who aren’t Primarchs or the Emperor himself, Lorgar is virtually unstoppable. While some Primarchs may excel in different aspects of war, all of them are beings of such immense power that they dominate any battlefield they step onto.
Guilliman, the man who said that with his brothers he is unbeatable, or the Lion, the man who is so bad at working with others he actually brought Konrad to Maccrage and then wanted to bombard the planet from orbit rather than admit his mistake…
Which one do you think was fucking up that fight for the loyalists?
There are some primarchs that are meme tier cringe in their actions, but the writers at the time thought that kind of behaviour was cool.
Gman uses claws with a powerfist in Know No Fear. Its what he used to take someone's heart out.
Here are some ideas for consideration:
What if every Astartes Legion staged a coup on the Emperor and took over the Imperium? How would they rule it and how successful would it be, compared to the canon Imperium? (this is all legions on the same side with minimal Chaos influence on events)
What if 2 Primarchs held the Warmaster position cooperatively, under the assumption that those who would take issue at one Warmaster would respect the other one more and they could thus overall be more productive?
Which nonhuman species would be the best fit for Chaos to take over and attain galactic dominance?
If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors?
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes?
What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
How would each Heresy/Crusade-era Primarch and Legion fare against the modern Tau Empire?
What if one of the Primarchs landed on a xenos world and was raised by them?
What if the Eldar managed to kill Angron before he was enslaved?
What if another power rose to power during M31 instead of the Imperium, such as the Ullanor Orks, the Rangdan, or the Necrons via the Silent King returning early?
What if the Beast Orks grew to threaten the Imperium before the Heresy could happen?
What if the Tyranids arrived in M31, before the Heresy could happen?
What if all of the Perpetuals stayed loyal to the Emperor and led the Great Crusade?
Gotta say as a US viewer, a new MK vid drop after the club is underrated vibe
I started to really like war hammer coz of you brotha your personality is really refreshing compared to other RUclipsrs
You forgot to mention that during the 2v1 battle Konrad slit the Lion's throat.
You also forgot to mention that, during their last fight, Konrad went through phosphex + radiation bombardment beforehand...
Which books are these thats badass af
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These two fights specificaly ?
The first one is in the Horus Heresy - The Unremembered Empire. ( volume 27 if I recall)
The second one is in the Horus Heresy series - Angels of Caliban (volume 38).
It might take 50 years to make but a video ranking every Primarch dual sounds like a cool idea
Last time I was this early, the emperor was still able to walk.
Nice video, brother. I have a suggestion for you. What if imperium of man created the ultimate space marine chapter using the gene seeds of all the twenty-one primarchs. This includes loyalist primarchs like Roboute Guilliman, Loin'l Johnsom, Jagadai Khan etc, traitor primarchs like Horus, Angron, Lorgar, Magnus the red etc and the lost primarchs. Their combined gene seed could then be further tempered to create an ultimate space marine chapter which would have the strengths of all the primarchs ( loyalist, traitor and lost) and would have weaknesses of none.
the gene-seed would likely be pretty unstable and cause a lot of mutations
@megawl2086 I am new to the franchise so I don't know much about the gene seeds but could it be tempered enough to make it somewhat stable? Because for what I know about the lore, the some parts of loyalist, traitor and even lost primarch's gene seeds were used in the Primarus project. Roboute Guilliman was pissed when he found about this fact.
@ChaitanyaSharma-w5f there is actually one marine that Cawl put all gene seeds în him, and the rezultate was that he was în constant pain, his sould felt like it didnt belong în his body, but he did become really strong and was seen as a miniprimarch, or a medium ranked custodes if you will în terms of power I think, I havent heard of his feats but they did say he was pretty strong. Also the geneseed is not just biological în nature, the reason his soul didnt feel right în his body is because he was now connected to all the primarchs souls at once witch would be like turning your soul into strech Armstrong to be able to have all of those small parts în him, thus each primarch can bestow genetically supernatural powers like some of Corvus children being able to turn invisible like him, tho a downgraded version.
@ChaitanyaSharma-w5fuh no, the primares project was an attempt to improve and stabalise the astartes and their gene-mutations which partly succeeded. The problem is every time they cross different gene-seeds things get freaky, so imagene an astartes that suffers from the flesh change, red thirst and the wulfen curse.
isn't all 20 in 1 is just the emperor? we have custodes for that
Vid 6 of asking for minis of the 4 chaos gods. Don't even care that they aren't playable. I want the challenge of painting them!
Konrad is what I call a 50/50 Primarchs. If he is on his game and the precog ability is really working he is practically untouchable but if it's not he's not that difficult of an opponent
In a straight fight that is. If you gotta play hide and seek with him good luck.
Him and Corax would be the ultimate hide and seek champions
@Lazorvictory very true only difference would be Corvax would actually disappear in shadows and Konrad would distract people from finding him by leaving flayed corpses strapped to light posts
Pefect thing to listen to while painting minis
apreciate the mention of conrad got the upper hands few times in that part when he was close to choke out the lion
I seen a cool comment by someone. They said once the lion understood that he wasn’t the one that would kill kurze, he knew he could only beat the shit out of him, which is what he done. Even when the lion had him dead to rights, he never killed him.
Video starts at 2:02.
Video idea: the Consortium explained.
@majorkill I've been watching for a little bit now and love the lore. I was interested in the props you have in the background. There used to be a massive sword and obviously the custodes spear. Where these stl files or what. Would love to make some of my own.
i've always wondered if every inch of the Thramas crusade was all forseen by Curze and was all to just to get to Sanquinieus so they could have their talk. Every time he "ran" he was just inching himself closer to what he already knew.
Random request for an Iron Father Feirros video/short for being the only 40k Astartes descendants of the Burning Vengeance
It's funny, because this does reflect the Heresy tabletop. Kurze is one of the better fighters out of his brothers (WS8 vs the typical WS7), but he's not a great primarch vs primarch duelist. So his fellow WS8 brothers (like the Lion) will beat him, eventually. But he will eat everything from dreadnoughts to squads of terminators alive, and he's fast enough to avoid fights he doesn't want. So it becomes a game of trying to fight him on your own terms, while a clever opponent can set things up how they see fit.
Last time I was this early there were still old ones and necrontyr.
Make a video about lesser known Imperial Guard Generals/Marschalls that actually did some pretty cool/impressive stuff
Like Marshall Kagori from Vraks
In a way it is sort of funny how Konrad had evidence that his Visions could be averted right here. By Konrad reacting to the vision it caused the Lion to react to him and thus change the future.
Imagine if he'd been able to recognize this fact.
True though on some level I think he recognized that but by the time he did he felt he was too far gone (too many war crimes). Might as well continue down that path.
4:24 There's always an Equivalent Exchange.
Can you do a video covering the full details of the fight between Vulkan and Magnus?
I’d also wanna know more about Vulkan’s Primarch Power of “summoning the Emperor’s Divine Fire.” Does Vulkan shoot out golden Warp Fire or something like that?
Valrak is not happy
Video idea: what if the imperium was forced to ally with another faction?
How would it end for either? Would we see ork servitors? Tau space marines? Ect. Might be heretical but an interesting what if.
Dang I was 54 seconds, love you majorkill. FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Bro same but for a different reason 😔
Something I wo dered after reading the scene where the Lion sneaks up on Konrad and the only reason Konrad gets away is because the Lion forgot to mute his phone is if that means he is the 2nd sneakiest primarch (with 1st place going to Corax)?
Curze is super swingy as a fighter. Sometimes he's amazing, like when he almost overwhelmed the Lion straight on in their final duel, or he just sucks. Also sometimes his precog power works, and other times the writers forget he has it. All of this is ok however, as it can easily just be hand waved away by him being a total lunatic.
Day 156 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy
Deranged Batman versus the Space Knight 🔥🔥🔥
Space King Arthur😆
2:05 You know the drill, skip the Majorkill___🐌
20 minutes in and I'm still not first 2k views or 250 likes, Majorkill is blowing up lately
Day 1 of requesting a video about how each founding chapter and a few noteworthy successors train aspirants into becoming a space marine
Didn't Sanguinius even fear Konrad? Could've sworn I read somewhere in the heresy that he wasn't sure if he could take on Konrad and felt uneasy towards him.
Ok ,so i can explain the basic reasons for each instance of psaring Konrad from Sanguinious, Lion and Vulkan. Vulkan and sanguinious are simple in that they don't murder in cold blood. when they kill, they have morals involved in it. Lion is not so simple. He has killed in cold blood, and even regreted it. The REasons he does not kill Curse in their final fight are multible, at least fro mmy take.
1st. He sees himself in Curze. The two were the only ones who had no upbringing proper, and largely raised themselves. So, he see a dark reflection he rejects. To kill this reflection to validate Curze in his eyes.
2nd. Honor. Lion wanted to kil Curze then and there, no if and or buts. However, Curze was guilty of violating Macragge's laws, not just the Imperium. He saw fit the Guilliman, and as such, Sangunious should decide his fate. To kill him here is to deny justice in full.
3rd. Pride. Lion is many things. Honorable, powerful, empowering and wise. But, forthright among all of it is his pride. He takes pride in his loyalty. In his combat prowess. And his sons. But this pride makes him see himself as better than his brothers. This is one of the reasons why he buts heads with Guilliman so often. In this situation, he can flaunt his pride as well earned. Sanguinious and Guilliman could not corner Curze. To bring him heere in chains shows he can do what his brothers can not.
4th. Humiliation and Justice. Lion brings him here to be put on display to the people of Magragge Civitas (gurentee I mispelled that).He seeks to humble and demen Curze, no dought. But he also seeks to display justice as earned.Kurze hurt these people more than his borthers. It was only fair he be judged accordingly. This action would also be an example the Curze was his own architect, not fate. Thus the humiliation.
5th. Loyalty. This is his biggest trait, and the biggest reason why he does this. He bends rule to stay loyal. He sees Curze eascaping os much as flith on his pride, which trickles down to here. When he was no in the ruinstorm, he hunted Curze down with intent. Curze betrayed their father, and sided with Horus. He had to pay. But, while stuck in the ruinstorm, with no connection to Terra, he was left to the same worries as Guilliman, does Terra and their father still stand. Thus, when Imperium Secundus is formed, he puts his full into it. He seeks to display his loyalty is unbroken. To him, an unfulfilled hunt is s idsgrace on him, and mars his image. And while this is pride, it fits better here to showcase how important his loyalty is to him.
These five reason are my takes on it. Now, Vulkan and Sanguinious do have more to them that just that, yes. But near as deep as this.
To be fair in their first fight the Lion started with an advantage having suckerstabbed Curze in the guts with his sword.
Vid starts at 2:15
DAY 104: A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions, this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces. Giving the traitors a boost in numbers and cohesion, plus a lot of important named characters. it would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the possible succes of the heresy.
Swell, another 10 min video where 7 out of 10 said minutes is about the subject. Gotta love that ratio.
Waiting for a video on which two pre-heresy legions would be the strongest if combined
Pre heresy? The DA and the ultras.
Imagine a Mortal Kombat-esque game with 40k characters
You gotta do more Primarch duels or any type of duels🔥🔥🔥
One revision. The lion did not sneak up on conrad while hunting him through his flagship. Conrads forsight didnt need to alert him because it new the vox bead would go off. If the vox bead wasnt going to go off then kurzes forsight would have seen the lion first.
As Konrad being my favourite primarch, let me just say: I thought was going to lose a lot more
Me too man😂😂😂 I thought we would walk away with a 4 - 1 going Johnson's way.
Finally, a regular shirt
How about a Konrad Curse and bloodangel diorama. They war off foreside.
I love Curze. By far the most interesting primarch and 2nd worse childhood only to angron. Night lords are so slept on and I want him to come back with him like possessing belicor
Opening joke is gold
Day 14 of asking Majorkill to make a vid when Constantin Valdor returns to the setting.
I knew he was hiding lion content. Give more and more dark angels
What if the Emperor wasn’t able to reach Nuceria in time to prevent Angron dying from the High Riders? How would having one less available Primarch affect the heresy with more lopsided sides? What would happen to the War Hounds? What would happen to Nuceria? Who do you think would go to Khorne? Or what if Guilliman found Angron before the Imperium found Guilliman?
I can tell you there's already a series that covers that exact idea.
The night lords yet again cement themselves as the greatest traitor legion with the best color scheme, characters, weapons, way of war and primarch.
So outta curiosity could we get some black dragon themed miniatures? I've been hooked on them since I first heard about them two years ago.
6:43 Guilliman 🤦♂️
No. The lion was being the idiot…
@ He also almost killed Guilliman’s mom via bombardment while attempting to kill Curze. I’m not sure if he is the type to be synergistic with differing allies.
Konrad can see the future and blindly went along with it, which means every fight he lost he went in INTENDING to lose
There’s been countless times when just because can see the future doesn’t mean it’s always right. I searched this up just now but this is what it says. Not my words. “
it is well-established that the future is not fixed, even if one can see glimpses of it. The Warp, which is the source of psychic power and visions of the future, is inherently chaotic and ever-changing. Prophecies, visions, and predictions are often unreliable because they show possible futures, not guaranteed outcomes.”
“Warp Prophecies and Chaos Manipulation:
The Warp offers glimpses of possible futures, but these are shaped by countless variables, including the actions of individuals. For example, Eldar Farseers constantly act to influence the course of events, proving that outcomes can shift.”
“Curze was wrong in assuming the future is fixed. His belief in fate was a tragic flaw, driven by his inability to see past his own visions and the deterministic lens through which he viewed the universe. In the larger context of Warhammer 40k, the future remains uncertain and malleable, shaped by countless forces, including individual choices.”
Can you explain the reason of the Space Marine's Legions names? Like, why is the Dark Angel, the Dark Angel?
I want to watch them fight in an animation.
Is that Last Of The Mohicans playing in the background of your videos?
I’m confused .. so is the Lion the best swordsman and duelist? Because people say the same about Khan, Fulgrim and Angron / Sang… so which is the best?
If space marines gain memories of things they eat, what happens if they eat tyranids🤔
Pro tip: just skip the first 2.5 minutes for the lore, at least he is consistent with the self promos.
Also I don’t think he’s 40k Batman he’s 40k Jack the Ripper
The Lion is the better warrior, Konrad is the better Murderer
Major bro titus is cracked u gotta watch secret level
Prop to Curze if you think about it most primarch wont win in a 1 v 1 straight duels against the Lion.
He’s not all that great. High mid tier at best…
Also good luck actually getting a fair 1v1 with Konrad. MFer can see the future and ambush you.
@@62sywho could beat him? He knows what you are going to do before you do it and counters it. He knows the weaknesses and strengths of all the primarchs and plays on it. The lion sword was created by the emperor himself and can cut through anything. If he is only high mid, then what other handful of primarchs are above him and you better not say russ because the lion disarmed him in second in their duel.
@@D1str1ct I was talking about the lion… and curze is also high mid tier since he lost to him.
Magnus would dumpster both. Russ would also if he used his psychic powers. Sanguinius without question… like he would slaughter both of them together. Horus would be right behind him. Definitely the khan. Vulkan did beat the living shit out of Konrad.
That’s a whole lot of primearchs.
Perturabo would be a contestant as well. Tho we haven’t seen him beat shit much…
@@D1str1ct Russ is a potent psycker… Lion wouldn’t have gotten anywhere if Russ chose to use his abilities. Abilities which literally killed hundreds or maybe even thousands of space marines in an instant, curbed Horus’s psychic powers, and his armor’s abilities can literally throw around space marines.
Also, Russ has limited future sight too… like reading taros or premonitions like Magnus.
People don’t seem to know that Russ is a full blown psycker second only to Magnus XD.
He wasn’t serious against the Lion. Otherwise we would have seen him use this abilities… as we see him do so EVERYTIME he is fighting another primarch for real.
Also disarmed? Russ doesn’t need a weapon. His hands work just as fine. Being disarmed isn’t that disadvantageous. Which we see when the Lion gets tackled.
Btw… literally every power weapon can cut through anything. Like, the displacement shield is atom thin and it remains sharp as long as it is powered. Lions sword is rather unremarkable compared to something like Telesto that can literally grant space marines abilities powerful enough to kill titans. :/
Pretty sure there is a scene where telesto is used to shoot a titan with a beam of light… that kills everything that isn’t a blood angel. (Correction… 5 Titans. Not one. And that’s just Sanguinius’s residual psychic power doing this.)
Not only is it a potent weapon that basically stops time for whoever uses it, it also does not hurt blood angels… and as I recall telesto wasn’t made by the emperor. Old lore has it that it was “blessed” by him. I’m not sure how cannon that is now.
who here still watching despite valrak wanting smoke 🤚
I took the day off work today. And majorkill comes out with a video. Perfect wake and bake.
make a video on the surviving man of stone and iron please 🙏
7:45 I always hated this description of the fight. I prefer "checkmate in 6."
What if every human had periah gene what gonna happen?
Why did I even bother watching this video? I already knew that Majorkiil was such a Lion simp, that he would obviously say the Lion was the better fighter.
Valrak is coping and seething about that imperial fists video btw
Kurse nerfed himself so the lion can win. Kurse knows the future that needs to happen so humanity wins in the end
2:04 intro animation
PLEASE MAJORKILL, WHAT IF THE EMPEROR HELPED ANGRON ON NUCERIA BY COMING DOWN TO FIGHT THE HIGH RIDER BASTARDS, PLEASE DO IT
Tarzan/King Arthur versus primarch Batman.
after guillemans resurrection and acquiring the emps sword has he moved up significantly up the primarch power rankings? or is he still towards the bottom end alongside 🤮lorgar🤮
He never was on lorgar level what
Lion vs Curze is just 40k Batman and Joker
So how you described how the lion fight it been a feeling and such or hear me out 40k ultra instinct
You fanboying Lion real hard with this one with thinking that the One where Kurze escaped is something other than a draw and to think that Guilliman presence was the reason Lion was held back in the fourth encounter IMO
My guy is always ready to ride the lion
Plz majorkill make a vid about solar auxilia explain
We want sa'kan