@@hgirjiofebunsjbk well the only outcome to sacking ten hag right now is some caretaker running a counter attacking system for the rest of the season. I back ten Hag because this isn’t a situation where a switch will be flipped and United will be on City’s level. It’s going to take work and another window like this summer.
Well said, Laurence. People often overlook the broader context and instead fixate on immediate shortcomings. When Ralf Rangnick departed Manchester United, he famously remarked that the club required "open-heart surgery," subtly implying that the root of the issues lies with the ownership, rather than just the manager, squad, or management team. Since Erik ten Hag’s arrival, he has been burdened with the task of restoring the club to its former glory, yet without being provided the necessary tools. Critics who emphasize Ten Hag’s spending of over £600 million in transfers fail to recognize that Richard Arnold and John Murtough never established a system that would enable the manager to recruit players suited to his style of play. Dan Ashworth's comment on the transfer window is telling: "We've signed a lot of players unrelated to Erik." Until the club implements a proper framework for management, no amount of money spent on player acquisitions will yield meaningful success. For those who question Erik ten Hag’s philosophy and style of play, it’s worth noting that he successfully instilled his approach in the academy from the very first day, and the progress has been remarkable. Winning a domestic treble serves as a strong testament that Ten Hag is guiding the club in the right direction. Ten Hag has been compromising his philosophy from the very beginning(senior squad). Recall those early matches when the team struggled to build from the back, failed to recover possession while pressing, couldn’t maintain control of the ball, and lacked the confidence to push the defensive line forward to close gaps? He spent his entire first season adjusting, even abandoning the press at times. How long must he continue to compromise because the club has left the squad’s profiles so disjointed? I would much prefer to see him resolutely adhere to his principles, revealing the squad’s flaws for all to see. This is the true level of the team; it’s time for the players to either sink or swim. I suspect that even Ten Hag is tired of resorting to tactics befitting a weaker side, especially when smaller clubs have managed to recruit players with better physicality, pressing ability, hold-up play, and positional discipline. Ten Hag isn’t afraid of being sacked over a substandard squad, and I believe the newly appointed, experienced executives are fully aware of how far behind this squad is. This likely explains why, instead of pursuing marquee signings, they focused on bringing in replacements-though much work remains. Defeats will be inevitable and necessary. Too many managers have already been scapegoated to avoid losses, while the club has consistently failed to address the underlying issues within the squad. INEOS has only just begun to scratch the surface.
I agree! I just dont see them sacking him, I also think that people are currently way underestimating just how much INEOS understand how to drive a sports team forward and to become a winning machine, they did it with Mercedes in F1(i know its not only them but iirc they owned about 33% of that team) and i refuse to think that they learned absolute zero from that. I wish that most united fans can just take a chill pill, its our first season(2 months barely) with a full proper structure, let it work instead of disrupting it the first thing you do.
When a Liverpool fan has the most sober and well thought-out takes on our club, it's refreshing but also embarrassing for our fan base. Love your work Loz, have done for years, and I wish you every success
@@MovementMagazineLtd I get that you probably hate United mate, but if your view of football is money spent should result in a club moving forward in the right direction then your deluded. It don't work like that, but feel free to mock us all you like, it's water off a ducks back bud.
@@MovementMagazineLtd Because Arnold and Murtough were absolutely fucking useless, they bought Antony and Casemiro for 165m euros alone whilst INEOS have spent less than that for Ugarte, Zirkzee, De Ligt and Mazraoui
@@MovementMagazineLtdWe all know that those players wouldn't have cost that much for another club. There's just a Man Utd tax for every player. Our main target was Joao Neves but we got priced out of that deal. In the end, PSG got him and they didn't pay much more than we did for Ugarte.
Slot is taking over a good squad that basicly has the style of play that Slot is known for. That's why Liverpool signed him. The lack of signings is really not a problem for Slot, he's got plenty to work with. And he's damn good at getting the best out of players. Ten Hag came in to a United side that was a mess with the job to overhaul the side from a counter attacking style to a possession based side.
Exactly this season ten Hag is finally using his Ajax style of play and people criticise him for not getting results when last season we all begged him to play better football than the long ball counter attacks from sitting deep that got us the occasional result
Been watching Lawrence for years now and my days it just doesn’t get old! Love this man, as a United fan myself it’s so nice to hear just genuinely talk and talk that makes sense! The human side of the game is what people always seem to get! Keep up the good work mate!
3 games into a new structure and they're calling for his head. Let's be clear, thus is not the United of a year ago. There is a _proper_ football structure in place for the first time in the modern era. The best in class in every position in the 'backroom' . Ten Hag may not survive the season, but he deserves a lot more than 3 games to try. It's not like Slot took over a team that was 20% of the way down 5 different paths.
I understand what you’re trying to say but you ignore most of that team are players he chose personally. He’s been there 3 years and no real progress has been made, they’re arguably worse now than under Ole his last game. Saying best in class back room is a bit much too, sure they’ve excelled in previous roles but plenty of teams have been extremely well run the past 5 years or so. Also that back room staff has no bearing on on field results, they’ll have the same players they let ten Hag buy and they’ll use the same fluctuating tactics ten Hag has employed since his arrival. If that backroom staff was as good as you say they wouldn’t have let an FA Cup win cloud their judgement and would’ve sent him packing during the summer. At this point yeah you have to back him because firing him 3 games in is a mess but firing him in June to give the new man a preseason would likely have changed a lot of the perception around the club and a lot of the complacent mediocrity that obviously exists in the club these days. Ten Hag may not be the source of all the problems but he’s proven he’s not the guy to fix them.
Go look at the academy team, they are playing the same tactics as the first team and they are doing really well. So I don’t think it’s necessarily the tactics it could really be the players at his disposal.
The transition will work in the end, but it takes a long time. Ten Hag has the platers in defence now to play his system from the back, Midfield is still a problem, but Ugarte and Mainoo i have hopes for. Up front the lack of goals is still a problem, Rashford is the only one who could potentially score you 20, but he's struggling. And all others are 10 to 15 goals a season max.
@@renatovannoortwyck3302lol finally someone else recognising the most obvious things. Everyone goes on about look how much money we spent under EtH but fail to see a large chunk of that was on Case, Antony and Mount who's barely played. As well as the fact that this summer we have essentially only bought potential players, no established first teamers to immediately improve the first team apart from De Ligt. Our entire midfield depends on a 19 year old with half a season of first team football. It's mad that people still think we are the United of old. We have no reliable goalscorers and we have 4 senior midfielders capable of playing in the PL with one injured, a 19 year old and one who we bought on deadline day. People really need to chill with their expectations.
Laurence, I appreciate your balance here. In the world of chopping and changing, I’ve been so refreshed by United’s willingness to just stick with ETH. If there was a better manager sitting on a beach somewhere, who would obviously and immediately transform THIS United squad from upper mid table to title challengers, United would obviously be foolish for not going to get him. The reality is that there is not an obviously better option out there. The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. The United of this year is OBVIOUSLY playing with a different formation and style - let the team learn and develop.
can i please just say your level-headedness as a football fan, not just a manchester united fan here is so refreshing. To see actual analysis rather than a heated rash decision and actually doing simple, structured reviews is brilliant and i just want to say keep up what your doing here because so many people love what your doing. brilliant content for months now since you came back to this channel regularly
As a Utd fan, I'm obviously fuming with the result, but I'm not overly disheartened by the performance. We might've squeezed a result out from that game if we parked the bus for 90 mins but we decided to play our game and unfortunately Casemiro had an absolute nightmare half and the game was done at the 30 minute mark. To play that way against a team of Liverpool's calibre, everyone has to bring their A game, unfortunately that didn't happen and we paid the price. But looking at the squad, and with some injuries to return, I'm confident that we can improve in those areas and develop. At some point, we have to abandon the park the bus tactics and find out which players have what it takes to actually play ball at this level and in this league.
Patience is key from jose to ole to ten hag every 3rd season this happens, but patience is key. Man united fans need to stop letting nad journalism influence their mind and actually dive deep for their selves or go to trusted, realiable and respect sources. Not channels or people that just spouts negativity with no actual facts because if they sack ten hag Manchester will always be in a loop of having 2 decent seasons and then third no patience. And realize the team we have isnt that great, frustration will arise but we still have to back this team and the coaching staff because no one else will do it. If the negative fans was there from the beginning of sir alex i pretty sure they would be saying sack him. Yet he is the best manager the club has ever seen. Patience is key, im not saying ten hag is perfect but you can clearly see what he is doing and its not like we didnt created chances. Speak with correct insight if its negative or positive but have insight.
This game proves fans are reactionary. Utd fans are thinking Ten Hag’s style of play is bad because Slot studied it before the game. That’s a stupid take because analysts study this for football clubs all the time so it doesn’t make slot a genius and secondly it doesn’t make ten hag’s tactics bad because up until now Utd fans have complained about United not having a style of play or system to rely on game by game like city have under pep or arsenal have the last few years. The season Ten Hag starts implementing his style of play keeping more possession, and atm united top the table for big chances missed showing we are creating better opportunities, the fans turn on him saying his tactics don’t work when he hasn’t had a full pre-season with his entire squad due to injuries, returning starts from Copa and euros and new signings only just arriving. It’s hard to go from an injury struck season playing long balls, counter attacking and sitting deep towards the end, to playing a high possession, high pressing attacking style of play in a couple months. I blame ten hag for not trying harder to train this group of players into his system and persisting with his system over results as in the first 2 years we saw glimpses but not much progress compared to now where we are playing better. Untied are defending better than last season we are pressing better passing it out the back better maintaining possession better and creating more opportunities. We are far from perfect but this Liverpool game wasn’t ten hags fault he setup a team to hold more possession and they ended up having a higher xg than Liverpool the difference was the clinical nature of Liverpool capitalising on our mistakes and then our failure to convert chances. Casemiro’s 2 mistakes put the game out of reach and it should be seen as a learning lesson as opposed to a let’s throw away all our planning and our ten hag project due to 1 game. I would much rather us play like this and lose than lose like we did both league games against city last season or the Brighton game at old Trafford last season or the anfield 0-0 where we sat back conceding 30+ shots yet celebrating a point. This game showed intent to play our style no matter the opponent if anything this game should hold ten hag in higher regard for united fans because if he sat back and we drew the game fans would be happier but we wouldn’t gain much out of it rather now ten hag knows Casemiro is defo not able to keep up with Europe’s best, he may be alright against a Fulham but the Liverpool’s of the world are beyond him and he also learnt that his side aren’t very clinical, aren’t very creative in the final third and need to sort out their mentality after going behind
Thanks a lot, Iv had enough of these crazy reactions The manager situation will sort itself out But the club has done a lot of good stuff in the background Patience is required
Laurence always makes sense. Just a pity he never debated his Utd supporting Nemisis last week. This Utd team need drilled within an inch of their sanity. The teams lack of confidence is telling.
Please don’t think that the real united fans want Ten Hag out, we don’t. It’s a process. The sancho lovers want Tem Hag out, not the United fans. Ten Hag in
As a Utd fan, Thankyou for the really clear and concise analysis with zero bias. I feel pretty similar to what you have described. There is hope, little important changes are taking place and with training/time and less injuries to key positions.. I think the plan will work. Just got to pray the media obsession with his sacking doesn’t turn the fan base and lose him the crowd 🙏🏼 😂 I like him as a manager and hope he has last laugh
Interesting reflections. I was going to say you veered off a bit at the end, but I think the subject matter leaves us all like that if we think about it properly. It's not very clear what is driving the specific problems and it's no doubt deeper than the surface level analysis we see everywhere from social media and the mainstream media. I think the thing I find most disappointing about all of this is it feels very symptomatic of where we are in time more generally. Everyone has an opinion they want to confidently emblazon upon their chest, but nobody wants to take any criticism for it. As both the game and the world seems to get more complex in terms of the incremental things that make the difference, people seem to become more and more black and white in their judgment. Watching football commentary and analysis seems to feed off emotions on the whole, and I feel dumber walking away from watching most of it. I had honestly considered just giving up watching it at all anymore, I'm really glad to say that after watching this I felt completely different.
I think the squad is not necessarily poor but still extremely thin. Gk has depth if not consistency yet. CB is okay but Yoro is out and that only leaves 3 decent ones, one of whom is not the perfect fit and one has started one game. FB is okay if everyone is fit but 2 LBs are injured and the other is 17 if high potential. In midfield you can argue that only Collyer, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno and Mount are up to it both technically and physically. Collyer has played 1 match, Mainoo is 19 and Ugarte has just arrived. Mount is injured. Up front Amad is inexperienced if promising as is Garnacho and Hojlund. Zirkzee is brand new and Rashford is yet to regain form. Anthony doesn’t deliver. Hojlund is also injured. None of the forwards are yet firing and some of the better players are injured or below their best so far (Bruno, Mainoo, Shaw, Rashford, Lisandro). Having bought so poorly in a variety of ways almost none of the 2022 or 2023 signings are significant positives ( Casemiro, Edison, Anthony, Hojlund, Malacia). Players should be hitting their straps after 2-3 years given bedding in time. The starting 11 remains weighted towards the academy, the odd successful signing and brand new players. If this years crop is decent, it will take several more years to fill the gaps (CB,LB,Midfield and world class forwards) and for the recent graduates to bulk up, improve decision making and get streetwise. Having said that it feels to me they are starting to make progress. It might be the case that they outperformed last year their underlying performances so progress could mean less points. Sometimes you have to improve the fundamentals before you see the results in sport or business. The big issue for Erik is that this is all brand new except for one thing, him. Given the hysteria surrounding United, the football pundit cliches associated with United “but it’s Manchester United”, “there’s no style” etc and the fact that many are deeply invested in his failure now there will be constant calls to sack him. This is ridiculous having played 2 of the better sides in the league. Patience is required especially given they probably should be on 6 points and have scored at least 1 on Sunday. What they really need is to score first, dig in, score a second, dig in again, frustrate and win the odd match 2-0 or 3-1 even if they are close. Next 10 minutes lads etc.
Look, we as fans can only Judge these kinds of situations by Sight and Sound. What we see and hear. We have to go by Football Results, We would like to know more about the inner workings of a club, but that part of the Sport is not shown to us. Kinda like how Wrestling used to be when we were kids. Now if the world of football chose to be more transparent and also allowed Players and Managers to speak their mind more, rather than these Boring, Generic and un-helpful Media Friendly sound-bites that are carefully rehearsed and orchestrated, then we would have more to go on, so that we can have a more informed opinion.... But the powers that be, deem that we are not WORTHY of knowing this, so we are kept in ignorance, and then we are criticized for having "un-informed opinions" and "being Toxic fans", simply because we are frustrated with how our Club is performing and looking for someone or something to blame, I really dont think WE need to be criticized for this at all, it is FOOTBALL it self that should bare the scrutiny of this. Look at the 115 charges Man City are allegedly accused of committing, are they labeled TOXIC owners!!? Hello No, but we get labeled Stupid and ignorant, just because we are left with no choice but to strive in the wind, looking for answers to the despair of what we see on the pitch, week in and week out! For EVERY FOOTBALL FAN, Sincerely, stop being so smug! "Whatever you say on Half a Pint of Larger.." you arrogant sod. You really think you're so smart don't you!?
Honestly right now United just needs stability. Since sir Alex left united the club has been a circus which makes it’s refreshing / exciting to see Ineos come in. We’ve already gone through the cycle of sacking managers and we’ve just spent 200mil on ten hags squad minimum he needs until the end of the season. The way I see it is ETH is in the 3rd year of his process, if he does well this season (top 4 or Europe & a trophy) he should be able too stay for year 4 of the process which should be top 3 and really challenging for titles.
As a United fan, I would be outraged by Ten Hag's sacking this season (bar anything truly horrendous happening). It's fair to say Slot has barely had any time in comparison to Ten Hag with his squad but Slot has inherited a successful squad that has been successful for many years. It's a very savvy appointment and he can quite smoothly pick up this project and play a fitting style for Liverpool. Ten Hag has underperformed with United and spending £600m+ is an awful stat to hear but I refuse to believe he's in any way responsible for spending £150m on Anthony and Casemiro amongst other transfer issues. It's his squad now yes, but it didn't start out that way, and it doesn't mean it should click straight away. Last point, Frank Lampard of all people said he's got problems and perhaps he doesn't have the players to fit the style he wants but it's his job to fix those problems, not to wait for the right players to come in. Verdict: He needs this entire season and beyond.
There are positives this season but they're minor imho. We press better and the transfer window was good. That's it. Our tactics this season still feel half baked while at the same time they don't work to our players' strengths instead our weaknesses are being exposed. The players' mentality and confidence can also be called into question. EtH should go back to the drawing board.
Every team has fans that panick and talk shite. But they only seem to be online and not in real life. Most fellow united fans i talk to arent too worried. Its a long process
Hi Laurence, great video with some good points. As a neutral football fan, I think both camps (for and against the sacking of Ten Hag) have valid points and must be seen objectively. Supporting Ten Hag: Things Take Time. Ten Hag is only at the start of his third season. You can draw many similarities between Ten Hag and Mikel Arteta’s early years as Arsenal’s manager. Ten Hag’s Utd won the FA cup and was runner up once, same as Arteta’s FA Cup win in his maiden year. Arsenal’s desired playstyle also really only came to fruition only in the 22/23 season after Arteta had close to 3 years in charge. I’d like to see what Ten Hag can do this season and hopefully the next, given backing by the ownership and confidence from the fans. Utd’s club’s management was also previously in shambles (and maybe still is a bit shaky), and after the recent entry of INEOS, there’s a bit more confidence in the way ahead. Sacking Ten Hag and getting an interim/new manager with a new philosophy but inheriting a set of players he may not want will delay success even further. Utd must simply start learning their lessons from David Moyes era onwards - sacking managers repeatedly will not solve the problem, and only lead to an ever increasing number of players on the bench (i.e. lindelof, bought by Mourinho and is still on the team) Against Ten Hag: Similar to the earlier comparison with Arteta - Arteta had a clear identity/philosophy from the get go, despite inheriting a really poor team. He stuck to his guns and slowly upgraded the players in all the positions over several seasons, spending prudently (Pepe was bought by Emery, FYI). He worked with the management to remove deadweights and players who were deemed to be unfit for his system. In contrast, Ten Hag has had a warchest to spend on players over the past two seasons (close to 600 million), and mind you, these are players he was familiar with and could play in his system. There is no way he can justify that he hasn’t had backing or the support necessary, when he’s gone out to buy all the players he wanted. Decision making. His substitutions and support of players who cannot fit his system have baffled many - partnership of Maguire and Evans last season, even when Varane was fit. In the most recent game with Liverpool, taking off Garnacho and putting on Maguire, and repeated fielding of Rashford despite his poor run of form. You simply cannot preach to have a philosophy but field players that don’t fit your system, while leaving those that do on the bench. These players then get butchered by the media after a poor game - it's akin to throwing them under a bus. I really do hope Utd return to their former glory, it’s what's best for the league - more healthy/unhealthy competition, more excitement. It seems the excitement nowadays is more on whether Ten Hag is getting sacked or not rather than the absolute great rivalries and derbies that used to happen. Well, we shall see what happens from here.
Just feels for me as a United fan, It was always going to be a tough game where players are playing a new highline that we've not played before and those who have played it before for pervious teams haven't done it in this team yet, de Ligt's first start and first with Martinez. They need time to work things out where they need to be and what to expect. you can see when Casemiro loses the ball on the first gaol the wing backs have already bombed forward and then need to sprint back cause Casemiro gives the ball away. time will help the team, ill I'm afraid of is Onana and his shot stopping failures.
I wonder what the average amount of days it is between a club issuing a "we back the manager" statement and the actual sacking of the manager. Must be less than a season in most cases?😊
to be hoenst i think the problem is that the man united fans themselves based on videos i watched and comments i read basicly are unwilling to tolerate each others opinion unless they agree with them its quite hard to find channels that are willing to host otherside of the argument
My feelings as a man united fan are never changed by silly pundits, shitty tabloid newspapers or anything along those lines, man united are under huge change right now. I believe that we need to stick by our manager and our backroom staff to keep the dream alive, rome wasnt built in a day and our club has been in the mud for a very very long time. Erik ten hag knows what he is doing, the board know what they are doing but once our team has fully gelled and the plans have been ingrained into the players, i believe things will work out better than any rival fan wants.
How the hell am I at a Liverpool fans channel and agreeing with most of what you are saying. A few united channels are being sensible and using context to the sitauton. (united people's and Ste). Great vid!
Just remember this..we are currently in our down moments..still for the past 2 seasons.. ETH has made 2 cups..and it bring back our good memories.. yeah im frustrated when we loss..but still im not agree with sacking ETH... i just hope this 2 recent losses is enough..and after the national break the squad is getting better.. In the past 10 years..i believe ETH is the most capable to bring UNITED back to it's glory..
@@HonestTom1892 idiots say Ruud! Based on what? He was a great striker yes, as a manager he's only at the start of his career. He did oké at PSV, but every half decent coach would.
Before ETH came: Ragnick said we need to get rid of 15 players and have major heart surgery We had our lowest point talley in premier league (still the lowest despite last season). Haven’t won a trophy in 5 years And people say it was a better squad, it wasn’t that bad etc. They’re just forgetful. We were in absolute shambles.
There are some elements that look good at utd. They just need to find the right combination. That is where eth is failing. When he has adapted to the opposition he tends to win.
I'm happy we are backing EtH, as long as he can continue to make positives eventually speeding up progression and eventually winning what we should be I'll be happy....but if he can't then sure rethink
Not a fan of Man United, but have no ill will towards them, even though in the 2000s I hated them with a passion as an Arsenal fan but I can see, once fit, United having a decent, dynamic first team. Getting Hojland will be important. But a team of Onana, Yoro, Mazraori, De Ligt, Martinez, Dalot, Ugarte, Mainoo, Hojland, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Fernandes (as much as I can't stand him). That's a decent first team and then Ten Hag can build up the bench. But as of yet, Yoro has been injured, De Ligt and Mazraori have just arrived, Ugarte hasn't played yet and Hojlund is injured. And for all of the complaining about Zirkzee, he was in the right places last weekend, but didn't convert. Former strikers always talk about the goals coming when you're in the right place, it's when you're not in the right place, then you should worry. But he's where he should be and when Hojlund is back, he'll be raring to go. Why sack Ten Hag now? Pointless as he is building something.
I honestly think ETH will keep his job for 2 reasons. 1) FFP, it will cost United so too much to pay him off and will ruin INEOS's future plans. 2) INEOS's top tier replacements aren't available. If Nagelsmann was free ETH wouldn't have survived the summer. As things stand, it's early days and I think once ETH has all his players available he'll start getting some better results and get United to 4th/5th.
every club says they're backing the manager, usually right before they sack the manager, there's a reason city don't need to come out and say we're backing pep
Why the feck are you comparing a settled club to one that's busy being rebuilt from the ground up? You could put Pep into this United setup and even he would struggle. Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox won't turn around fortunes overnight.
Two things that have really started to annoy me about ETH. The delusional press conferences. Winning the FA cup and finishing 8th is not progress. His persistence to use a system that reveals weaknesses of the players ie casemiro and mainoo. If Ugarte is a bust, what does he do then? Persist with the style or actually change it? I think he's on thin ice now. If he loses to Southampton he should be sacked
Coming from a rival fans perspective. They should keep Ten Hag at least for the rest of the season. United being a dominant powerhouse is a thing of the past, and honestly I don’t see them ever being the United of old again. I know United fans love to say their club has history, they don’t seem to know their history. Outside the tenures of Busby and Fergie they were a mid table side that would win an occasional cup, so you know, better than spuds at least. What top level manager in their right mind would want to manage a club with no basic infrastructure in the modern game. It’s just funny because United fans all complain about how they are Man United and they should be winning league titles every season when that hasn’t been the case for over a decade now.
Anyone else notice that every football content creator has to talk about united allot good or bad just to maintain good viewer counts ? I know times are rough Lawrence but you'll end up part of united stand at this rate Jesus 😂
Utd owners were looking for other manager in summer yet they spend so much money on transfers. If they sack him & the new manager doesnt want his signings then again repeat.
You guys being selective about ETH statement the reporter. When asked about tactics, he did say that he beat some of the best teams to win trophies. You and media are fixated only on Trophy part and ignoring he did beat both Liverpool and City to win that Trophy.
1:45 Yes. I think we shouldn't be dumb and return to, "Sack Ten Hag!!" as a coping mechanism for EACH LOSSES that we get. And then suddenly praising the team when they ACTUALYY did great. I'll confidently say that those fans are either fake fans from another team or worse, bloody *hypocrites* that is not supposed to support the team if they stick on that mindset.
To be fait he was backed by 99% of United fans who said anyone who doesn't agree with them doesn't understand football and all that waffle right up until... like three days ago
What’s the toxic common denominator.. rashford & Fernandez. Ferguson would have dumped them at a loss 2 seasons ago. I’m a LFC fan, the longer they stay the longer the rot. Long May it continue.
His favouritism to underperforming players such as Rashford will get him sacked. Comments in press conferences such as “harry potter” shows a creeping level of delusion that usually spell downfalls of managers.
Sir Alex didn’t win a trophy with Man Utd for 4 years (first trophy was the FA cup), and with patience and support, look what he went onto achieve. Ten Hag has won 2 trophies in 2 years - I’m not saying Ten Hag will achieve what Sir Alex did, maybe no manager ever will… but be patient, and trust INEOS know what they are doing.
absolutely not, no one truly knows what’s going on or how they would handle it. it’s time to stop judging and berating this team because their confidence is shot already
Tbf I’m not a United fan but the same people calling for him to be sacked now were also calling for it last season so it’s not based off 1-2 bad results. You can use the ‘he needs time to adapt to the new players/coaches’ excuse in perpetuity because every window will have new players come in.
put it simple ten hag isn’t a manager who’s gonna create a dynasty or win ucls or be up there consistently. he didn’t do it at ajax . he got far with ajax but most of those players are gone now. if he can’t replicate that run consistently in a big club with so much history of being a giant like man united i think it’s time to move on. all these big clubs had a thing in common proven managers who win. let’s call his signings a bust, antony is a bust for 80 million. even watching man united they still have no play style after 3 years or clear direction. sure he’s strict but that doesn’t mean anything . ofc it’s hard to replicate what sir alex did but many other clubs did it why can’t he? cuz he can’t and it’s time to move on . they been a rebuild mode phase since 10 years ago. a decade and they haven’t improved and gotten worse and worse. people act like man united barely started getting horrible , no they been horrendous. starting from the office to the manager.
Utd & liverpool wernt that different in stats. liverpool made less mistakes, Better at finishing & Have better mentality. IF utd keep those stats up along with improving their finishing & mentality they WILL improve! Its always strong emotional reactions after every loss. Be patient! How many managers do we need? Garnacho & Amad should be starting for me though & any players thats doing well. Others need to fight their way back in, NOW is about exposing the weaker players & playing the stronger players. #Just my opinion
The argument in the first 40 seconds is already disingenuous. You could have made these same arguments for Solskjaer too. No one truly knew what was happening behind the scenes then too. Fans however have seen enough on the pitch with poor performances and poor signings to realize that it has been no where near good enough in the reign of Ten Hag. How long will we be in transition? In 39 years some people will be saying that Ten Hag is just 1 player away from challenging.
What is his point exactly? That the internet is too reactionary? Does it need to be said? But also, there are plenty of competent adults who can assess Ten Hag without inside baseball knowledge, which can also happen to align with the most rabid of fan frothiness.
A loss against Liverpool will get you a backlash everytime. And it's not like we can blame the referee on this one. But an overhaul of the squad and the introduction of a new style of play will take time.
The club backing Ten Hag is the greatest example of the sunk cost fallacy we are witnessing in football rn. He’s genuinely done an absolutely terrible job. There is no identity of play at all after nearly 3 years, while managers like Postecoglou and Slot implemented their football within a pre season. United are basically parking the bus and praying on a counter in every big match. His signings have been some of the worst in premier league history. His favoritism and dislike for certain players is reaching absurdity. United are basically too proud to admit that they have wasted 600 million and 3 years yet again. When Klopp left, he left a structure to work with at Liverpool. When Ten Hag gets sacked, he’s yet again going to leave the club at a state that is simply a shambles
@@mahidsahariarmazumder2658 you guys are 100% Liverpool supporters that love Ten Hag and want him to stay forever. So am I lads. Ten Hag at the wheel!!!
@@mahidsahariarmazumder2658 it’s meant to be obvious to remind you how much rival fans love ten hag and how everyone can see he hasn’t done enough. I usually like Loz videos, that’s why I subscribed lol, but this video is a case of trying too hard to be balanced and have a different opinion than the majority. All the signings this club makes doesn’t make sense. They sign de ligt, who was let go by Bayern because he isn’t a modern ball playing high line defender, when they already have Maguire for being exposed at defending high up the pitch. They need a number nine, so they sign Zirkzee who’s more of a shadow/second striker. Ugarte who isn’t a ball playing midfielder either, more the palhinha archetype, but they already got Mainoo for that. All 3 of them are good players, but they are not what United desperately needs
I usually like your takes and think you're very measured. However, this is insane. It verges on a Utd fan deluded take. Basically you're just saying €700m and they need more time and more money. That could be applied to literally any team underperforming. I feel this is a bit over the top on the takes and misses all the overwhelming evidence in front of your eyes. Where is the style if play? Where is the mentality? What signs are there that this is improving? All after 2 years.
People have also clearly laid out the changes that are clear at United. I think the thing which worries me most is mentality, that's what doesn't seem to change.
Loz is trying way too hard to be balanced to the point where it’s coming off as plain delusion And also as a Liverpool fan it benefits him the longer that geezer is manager because I remember how harsh he was with ole (and rightly so) with true geordie
@@ayaanlatif2296 yeah that was 13 mins of defending perpetual underperforming with huge spend and no identity. Over 2 years. Pure waffle and that is rare from Loz.
@@laurencemckenna mentality is the real biggy. But Emery, Slot, Arteta, Postecoglu....for example...all had immediate passages of play where you could see the style. You can identify what they are trying to do. Utd had been 2 years of moments from individuals with no 2 goals loooking the same. Do you see my point? That is not worrying, that is proof that he has no idea how to get them to do what he wants. Or he doesn't know what he wants to do.
This channel is a refreshing change in a world of extreme opinions
I agree. We live in a world of extremism, so it’s refreshing to hear someone in the balance.
thts why we love him
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Yes.. I’m a united fan but can’t stand my community..
Great comment 😂agreed
the person who makes the least hating/delusional videos about man united is a liverpool fan.... where has our community gone to man
Same with Chelsea mate
Banter fc. Online United supporters would prefer counter attacking for the next decade vs reshaping the team to really compete.
@@timecircle8420 and what do you mean with that bc that can be anti ten hag or pro ten hag🤣🤣🤣 this fanbase has ruined my mind
@@timecircle8420this is facts
@@hgirjiofebunsjbk well the only outcome to sacking ten hag right now is some caretaker running a counter attacking system for the rest of the season.
I back ten Hag because this isn’t a situation where a switch will be flipped and United will be on City’s level. It’s going to take work and another window like this summer.
Well said, Laurence. People often overlook the broader context and instead fixate on immediate shortcomings. When Ralf Rangnick departed Manchester United, he famously remarked that the club required "open-heart surgery," subtly implying that the root of the issues lies with the ownership, rather than just the manager, squad, or management team.
Since Erik ten Hag’s arrival, he has been burdened with the task of restoring the club to its former glory, yet without being provided the necessary tools. Critics who emphasize Ten Hag’s spending of over £600 million in transfers fail to recognize that Richard Arnold and John Murtough never established a system that would enable the manager to recruit players suited to his style of play. Dan Ashworth's comment on the transfer window is telling: "We've signed a lot of players unrelated to Erik." Until the club implements a proper framework for management, no amount of money spent on player acquisitions will yield meaningful success.
For those who question Erik ten Hag’s philosophy and style of play, it’s worth noting that he successfully instilled his approach in the academy from the very first day, and the progress has been remarkable. Winning a domestic treble serves as a strong testament that Ten Hag is guiding the club in the right direction.
Ten Hag has been compromising his philosophy from the very beginning(senior squad). Recall those early matches when the team struggled to build from the back, failed to recover possession while pressing, couldn’t maintain control of the ball, and lacked the confidence to push the defensive line forward to close gaps? He spent his entire first season adjusting, even abandoning the press at times. How long must he continue to compromise because the club has left the squad’s profiles so disjointed?
I would much prefer to see him resolutely adhere to his principles, revealing the squad’s flaws for all to see. This is the true level of the team; it’s time for the players to either sink or swim. I suspect that even Ten Hag is tired of resorting to tactics befitting a weaker side, especially when smaller clubs have managed to recruit players with better physicality, pressing ability, hold-up play, and positional discipline.
Ten Hag isn’t afraid of being sacked over a substandard squad, and I believe the newly appointed, experienced executives are fully aware of how far behind this squad is. This likely explains why, instead of pursuing marquee signings, they focused on bringing in replacements-though much work remains. Defeats will be inevitable and necessary. Too many managers have already been scapegoated to avoid losses, while the club has consistently failed to address the underlying issues within the squad. INEOS has only just begun to scratch the surface.
I agree! I just dont see them sacking him, I also think that people are currently way underestimating just how much INEOS understand how to drive a sports team forward and to become a winning machine, they did it with Mercedes in F1(i know its not only them but iirc they owned about 33% of that team) and i refuse to think that they learned absolute zero from that.
I wish that most united fans can just take a chill pill, its our first season(2 months barely) with a full proper structure, let it work instead of disrupting it the first thing you do.
Spot on.
"an operation at the open heart"
100% this. Its frustrating to see how flip flop and how I was right you were wrong attitude in the United fan base is really annoying.
When a Liverpool fan has the most sober and well thought-out takes on our club, it's refreshing but also embarrassing for our fan base. Love your work Loz, have done for years, and I wish you every success
@@KingMuttley so after €700m he needs morw money and more time.
How impressive 👏🏿
@@MovementMagazineLtd I get that you probably hate United mate, but if your view of football is money spent should result in a club moving forward in the right direction then your deluded. It don't work like that, but feel free to mock us all you like, it's water off a ducks back bud.
@@MovementMagazineLtd Because Arnold and Murtough were absolutely fucking useless, they bought Antony and Casemiro for 165m euros alone whilst INEOS have spent less than that for Ugarte, Zirkzee, De Ligt and Mazraoui
@@MovementMagazineLtdWe all know that those players wouldn't have cost that much for another club. There's just a Man Utd tax for every player. Our main target was Joao Neves but we got priced out of that deal. In the end, PSG got him and they didn't pay much more than we did for Ugarte.
@@chickenofthecave7046 mate don't tryband gaslight me. You and I know that Utd have been terrible since he came with no discernable improvements.
This is why Laurence is the best Analyst on RUclips
One of the only football content creators with half a brain
Slot is taking over a good squad that basicly has the style of play that Slot is known for. That's why Liverpool signed him. The lack of signings is really not a problem for Slot, he's got plenty to work with. And he's damn good at getting the best out of players.
Ten Hag came in to a United side that was a mess with the job to overhaul the side from a counter attacking style to a possession based side.
You stick with the goat Ten Hag he is comedy gold. 😂😂🐐🐐
Exactly this season ten Hag is finally using his Ajax style of play and people criticise him for not getting results when last season we all begged him to play better football than the long ball counter attacks from sitting deep that got us the occasional result
How can a youtube Liverpool fan give a more nuanced perspective than mainstream media pundits. Thanks for your work Laurence
Been watching Lawrence for years now and my days it just doesn’t get old! Love this man, as a United fan myself it’s so nice to hear just genuinely talk and talk that makes sense! The human side of the game is what people always seem to get! Keep up the good work mate!
3 games into a new structure and they're calling for his head. Let's be clear, thus is not the United of a year ago. There is a _proper_ football structure in place for the first time in the modern era. The best in class in every position in the 'backroom' . Ten Hag may not survive the season, but he deserves a lot more than 3 games to try. It's not like Slot took over a team that was 20% of the way down 5 different paths.
I understand what you’re trying to say but you ignore most of that team are players he chose personally. He’s been there 3 years and no real progress has been made, they’re arguably worse now than under Ole his last game. Saying best in class back room is a bit much too, sure they’ve excelled in previous roles but plenty of teams have been extremely well run the past 5 years or so. Also that back room staff has no bearing on on field results, they’ll have the same players they let ten Hag buy and they’ll use the same fluctuating tactics ten Hag has employed since his arrival. If that backroom staff was as good as you say they wouldn’t have let an FA Cup win cloud their judgement and would’ve sent him packing during the summer. At this point yeah you have to back him because firing him 3 games in is a mess but firing him in June to give the new man a preseason would likely have changed a lot of the perception around the club and a lot of the complacent mediocrity that obviously exists in the club these days. Ten Hag may not be the source of all the problems but he’s proven he’s not the guy to fix them.
Good to see this style of content, the Lawrence comeback is on 👀👀
So glad to see this guy finding his own path. It’s actually looking at a situation in a productive manner versus trying to get a reaction.
Go look at the academy team, they are playing the same tactics as the first team and they are doing really well. So I don’t think it’s necessarily the tactics it could really be the players at his disposal.
The transition will work in the end, but it takes a long time.
Ten Hag has the platers in defence now to play his system from the back, Midfield is still a problem, but Ugarte and Mainoo i have hopes for.
Up front the lack of goals is still a problem, Rashford is the only one who could potentially score you 20, but he's struggling. And all others are 10 to 15 goals a season max.
@@renatovannoortwyck3302lol finally someone else recognising the most obvious things. Everyone goes on about look how much money we spent under EtH but fail to see a large chunk of that was on Case, Antony and Mount who's barely played. As well as the fact that this summer we have essentially only bought potential players, no established first teamers to immediately improve the first team apart from De Ligt. Our entire midfield depends on a 19 year old with half a season of first team football. It's mad that people still think we are the United of old. We have no reliable goalscorers and we have 4 senior midfielders capable of playing in the PL with one injured, a 19 year old and one who we bought on deadline day. People really need to chill with their expectations.
You clowns genuinely think rashford still can score 20+ is insanity 🤣🤣 so delusional
@@smartalec18anonymousAmen!
So refreshing to see a rational and level-headed channel discussing things objectively rather than just inciting fan emotions
As a man u fan I am loving this stable considered intelligent content - keep it up 😊
Laurence, I appreciate your balance here. In the world of chopping and changing, I’ve been so refreshed by United’s willingness to just stick with ETH. If there was a better manager sitting on a beach somewhere, who would obviously and immediately transform THIS United squad from upper mid table to title challengers, United would obviously be foolish for not going to get him. The reality is that there is not an obviously better option out there. The devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. The United of this year is OBVIOUSLY playing with a different formation and style - let the team learn and develop.
can i please just say your level-headedness as a football fan, not just a manchester united fan here is so refreshing. To see actual analysis rather than a heated rash decision and actually doing simple, structured reviews is brilliant and i just want to say keep up what your doing here because so many people love what your doing. brilliant content for months now since you came back to this channel regularly
As a Utd fan, I'm obviously fuming with the result, but I'm not overly disheartened by the performance. We might've squeezed a result out from that game if we parked the bus for 90 mins but we decided to play our game and unfortunately Casemiro had an absolute nightmare half and the game was done at the 30 minute mark. To play that way against a team of Liverpool's calibre, everyone has to bring their A game, unfortunately that didn't happen and we paid the price. But looking at the squad, and with some injuries to return, I'm confident that we can improve in those areas and develop. At some point, we have to abandon the park the bus tactics and find out which players have what it takes to actually play ball at this level and in this league.
Well said mate and completely agree
Patience is key from jose to ole to ten hag every 3rd season this happens, but patience is key. Man united fans need to stop letting nad journalism influence their mind and actually dive deep for their selves or go to trusted, realiable and respect sources. Not channels or people that just spouts negativity with no actual facts because if they sack ten hag Manchester will always be in a loop of having 2 decent seasons and then third no patience. And realize the team we have isnt that great, frustration will arise but we still have to back this team and the coaching staff because no one else will do it. If the negative fans was there from the beginning of sir alex i pretty sure they would be saying sack him. Yet he is the best manager the club has ever seen. Patience is key, im not saying ten hag is perfect but you can clearly see what he is doing and its not like we didnt created chances. Speak with correct insight if its negative or positive but have insight.
This game proves fans are reactionary. Utd fans are thinking Ten Hag’s style of play is bad because Slot studied it before the game. That’s a stupid take because analysts study this for football clubs all the time so it doesn’t make slot a genius and secondly it doesn’t make ten hag’s tactics bad because up until now Utd fans have complained about United not having a style of play or system to rely on game by game like city have under pep or arsenal have the last few years. The season Ten Hag starts implementing his style of play keeping more possession, and atm united top the table for big chances missed showing we are creating better opportunities, the fans turn on him saying his tactics don’t work when he hasn’t had a full pre-season with his entire squad due to injuries, returning starts from Copa and euros and new signings only just arriving. It’s hard to go from an injury struck season playing long balls, counter attacking and sitting deep towards the end, to playing a high possession, high pressing attacking style of play in a couple months. I blame ten hag for not trying harder to train this group of players into his system and persisting with his system over results as in the first 2 years we saw glimpses but not much progress compared to now where we are playing better. Untied are defending better than last season we are pressing better passing it out the back better maintaining possession better and creating more opportunities. We are far from perfect but this Liverpool game wasn’t ten hags fault he setup a team to hold more possession and they ended up having a higher xg than Liverpool the difference was the clinical nature of Liverpool capitalising on our mistakes and then our failure to convert chances. Casemiro’s 2 mistakes put the game out of reach and it should be seen as a learning lesson as opposed to a let’s throw away all our planning and our ten hag project due to 1 game. I would much rather us play like this and lose than lose like we did both league games against city last season or the Brighton game at old Trafford last season or the anfield 0-0 where we sat back conceding 30+ shots yet celebrating a point. This game showed intent to play our style no matter the opponent if anything this game should hold ten hag in higher regard for united fans because if he sat back and we drew the game fans would be happier but we wouldn’t gain much out of it rather now ten hag knows Casemiro is defo not able to keep up with Europe’s best, he may be alright against a Fulham but the Liverpool’s of the world are beyond him and he also learnt that his side aren’t very clinical, aren’t very creative in the final third and need to sort out their mentality after going behind
Great watch as always 👊🏿
I just subscribed to this guy after the last video he made before this one
absolute facts
Thanks a lot, Iv had enough of these crazy reactions
The manager situation will sort itself out
But the club has done a lot of good stuff in the background
Patience is required
Top vid Laurence spot on!
Laurence always makes sense. Just a pity he never debated his Utd supporting Nemisis last week. This Utd team need drilled within an inch of their sanity. The teams lack of confidence is telling.
Liverpool has 3 shot on target and 3 goals.
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I'm so glad Laurence has found his lane
I am Man United Fan.. ..❤ this channel
"Talk Sport confidence... ...on half a pint of larger" got me and instantly turned me into a subscriber 🤣🤣
Please don’t think that the real united fans want Ten Hag out, we don’t. It’s a process. The sancho lovers want Tem Hag out, not the United fans. Ten Hag in
As a Utd fan, Thankyou for the really clear and concise analysis with zero bias. I feel pretty similar to what you have described. There is hope, little important changes are taking place and with training/time and less injuries to key positions.. I think the plan will work. Just got to pray the media obsession with his sacking doesn’t turn the fan base and lose him the crowd 🙏🏼 😂 I like him as a manager and hope he has last laugh
Who tf would’ve thought Lawrence would talk the most sense about man united what has happened 😂😂
Interesting reflections. I was going to say you veered off a bit at the end, but I think the subject matter leaves us all like that if we think about it properly. It's not very clear what is driving the specific problems and it's no doubt deeper than the surface level analysis we see everywhere from social media and the mainstream media.
I think the thing I find most disappointing about all of this is it feels very symptomatic of where we are in time more generally. Everyone has an opinion they want to confidently emblazon upon their chest, but nobody wants to take any criticism for it. As both the game and the world seems to get more complex in terms of the incremental things that make the difference, people seem to become more and more black and white in their judgment.
Watching football commentary and analysis seems to feed off emotions on the whole, and I feel dumber walking away from watching most of it. I had honestly considered just giving up watching it at all anymore, I'm really glad to say that after watching this I felt completely different.
I think the squad is not necessarily poor but still extremely thin. Gk has depth if not consistency yet. CB is okay but Yoro is out and that only leaves 3 decent ones, one of whom is not the perfect fit and one has started one game. FB is okay if everyone is fit but 2 LBs are injured and the other is 17 if high potential. In midfield you can argue that only Collyer, Ugarte, Mainoo, Bruno and Mount are up to it both technically and physically. Collyer has played 1 match, Mainoo is 19 and Ugarte has just arrived. Mount is injured. Up front Amad is inexperienced if promising as is Garnacho and Hojlund. Zirkzee is brand new and Rashford is yet to regain form. Anthony doesn’t deliver. Hojlund is also injured. None of the forwards are yet firing and some of the better players are injured or below their best so far (Bruno, Mainoo, Shaw, Rashford, Lisandro). Having bought so poorly in a variety of ways almost none of the 2022 or 2023 signings are significant positives ( Casemiro, Edison, Anthony, Hojlund, Malacia). Players should be hitting their straps after 2-3 years given bedding in time. The starting 11 remains weighted towards the academy, the odd successful signing and brand new players. If this years crop is decent, it will take several more years to fill the gaps (CB,LB,Midfield and world class forwards) and for the recent graduates to bulk up, improve decision making and get streetwise. Having said that it feels to me they are starting to make progress. It might be the case that they outperformed last year their underlying performances so progress could mean less points. Sometimes you have to improve the fundamentals before you see the results in sport or business. The big issue for Erik is that this is all brand new except for one thing, him. Given the hysteria surrounding United, the football pundit cliches associated with United “but it’s Manchester United”, “there’s no style” etc and the fact that many are deeply invested in his failure now there will be constant calls to sack him. This is ridiculous having played 2 of the better sides in the league. Patience is required especially given they probably should be on 6 points and have scored at least 1 on Sunday. What they really need is to score first, dig in, score a second, dig in again, frustrate and win the odd match 2-0 or 3-1 even if they are close. Next 10 minutes lads etc.
Congratulations! the most sagacious analysis of the situation at United. You keep your head while others are losing theirs
Look, we as fans can only Judge these kinds of situations by Sight and Sound. What we see and hear.
We have to go by Football Results, We would like to know more about the inner workings of a club, but that part of the Sport is not shown to us. Kinda like how Wrestling used to be when we were kids.
Now if the world of football chose to be more transparent and also allowed Players and Managers to speak their mind more, rather than these Boring, Generic and un-helpful Media Friendly sound-bites that are carefully rehearsed and orchestrated, then we would have more to go on, so that we can have a more informed opinion....
But the powers that be, deem that we are not WORTHY of knowing this, so we are kept in ignorance, and then we are criticized for having "un-informed opinions" and "being Toxic fans", simply because we are frustrated with how our Club is performing and looking for someone or something to blame, I really dont think WE need to be criticized for this at all, it is FOOTBALL it self that should bare the scrutiny of this.
Look at the 115 charges Man City are allegedly accused of committing, are they labeled TOXIC owners!!? Hello No, but we get labeled Stupid and ignorant, just because we are left with no choice but to strive in the wind, looking for answers to the despair of what we see on the pitch, week in and week out!
For EVERY FOOTBALL FAN,
Sincerely, stop being so smug! "Whatever you say on Half a Pint of Larger.." you arrogant sod. You really think you're so smart don't you!?
Honestly right now United just needs stability.
Since sir Alex left united the club has been a circus which makes it’s refreshing / exciting to see Ineos come in.
We’ve already gone through the cycle of sacking managers and we’ve just spent 200mil on ten hags squad minimum he needs until the end of the season.
The way I see it is ETH is in the 3rd year of his process, if he does well this season (top 4 or Europe & a trophy) he should be able too stay for year 4 of the process which should be top 3 and really challenging for titles.
As a United fan, I would be outraged by Ten Hag's sacking this season (bar anything truly horrendous happening). It's fair to say Slot has barely had any time in comparison to Ten Hag with his squad but Slot has inherited a successful squad that has been successful for many years. It's a very savvy appointment and he can quite smoothly pick up this project and play a fitting style for Liverpool. Ten Hag has underperformed with United and spending £600m+ is an awful stat to hear but I refuse to believe he's in any way responsible for spending £150m on Anthony and Casemiro amongst other transfer issues. It's his squad now yes, but it didn't start out that way, and it doesn't mean it should click straight away.
Last point, Frank Lampard of all people said he's got problems and perhaps he doesn't have the players to fit the style he wants but it's his job to fix those problems, not to wait for the right players to come in.
Verdict: He needs this entire season and beyond.
10 Hag 10,000 yrs 10,000 yrs 10,000 yrs !
There are positives this season but they're minor imho. We press better and the transfer window was good. That's it. Our tactics this season still feel half baked while at the same time they don't work to our players' strengths instead our weaknesses are being exposed. The players' mentality and confidence can also be called into question. EtH should go back to the drawing board.
Every team has fans that panick and talk shite. But they only seem to be online and not in real life. Most fellow united fans i talk to arent too worried. Its a long process
Brilliant, dispassionate and wholesome. I'm a firstimer here. Love this channel. Subscribed
Hi Laurence, great video with some good points. As a neutral football fan, I think both camps (for and against the sacking of Ten Hag) have valid points and must be seen objectively.
Supporting Ten Hag:
Things Take Time. Ten Hag is only at the start of his third season. You can draw many similarities between Ten Hag and Mikel Arteta’s early years as Arsenal’s manager. Ten Hag’s Utd won the FA cup and was runner up once, same as Arteta’s FA Cup win in his maiden year. Arsenal’s desired playstyle also really only came to fruition only in the 22/23 season after Arteta had close to 3 years in charge. I’d like to see what Ten Hag can do this season and hopefully the next, given backing by the ownership and confidence from the fans.
Utd’s club’s management was also previously in shambles (and maybe still is a bit shaky), and after the recent entry of INEOS, there’s a bit more confidence in the way ahead. Sacking Ten Hag and getting an interim/new manager with a new philosophy but inheriting a set of players he may not want will delay success even further. Utd must simply start learning their lessons from David Moyes era onwards - sacking managers repeatedly will not solve the problem, and only lead to an ever increasing number of players on the bench (i.e. lindelof, bought by Mourinho and is still on the team)
Against Ten Hag:
Similar to the earlier comparison with Arteta - Arteta had a clear identity/philosophy from the get go, despite inheriting a really poor team. He stuck to his guns and slowly upgraded the players in all the positions over several seasons, spending prudently (Pepe was bought by Emery, FYI). He worked with the management to remove deadweights and players who were deemed to be unfit for his system. In contrast, Ten Hag has had a warchest to spend on players over the past two seasons (close to 600 million), and mind you, these are players he was familiar with and could play in his system. There is no way he can justify that he hasn’t had backing or the support necessary, when he’s gone out to buy all the players he wanted.
Decision making. His substitutions and support of players who cannot fit his system have baffled many - partnership of Maguire and Evans last season, even when Varane was fit. In the most recent game with Liverpool, taking off Garnacho and putting on Maguire, and repeated fielding of Rashford despite his poor run of form. You simply cannot preach to have a philosophy but field players that don’t fit your system, while leaving those that do on the bench. These players then get butchered by the media after a poor game - it's akin to throwing them under a bus.
I really do hope Utd return to their former glory, it’s what's best for the league - more healthy/unhealthy competition, more excitement. It seems the excitement nowadays is more on whether Ten Hag is getting sacked or not rather than the absolute great rivalries and derbies that used to happen. Well, we shall see what happens from here.
O believe for 3rd goal Salah made Onana to think he will go to top left corner
Respect for Lawrence being a Liverpool fans and still being able to look at United objectively, class
Just feels for me as a United fan, It was always going to be a tough game where players are playing a new highline that we've not played before and those who have played it before for pervious teams haven't done it in this team yet, de Ligt's first start and first with Martinez. They need time to work things out where they need to be and what to expect. you can see when Casemiro loses the ball on the first gaol the wing backs have already bombed forward and then need to sprint back cause Casemiro gives the ball away. time will help the team, ill I'm afraid of is Onana and his shot stopping failures.
I wonder what the average amount of days it is between a club issuing a "we back the manager" statement and the actual sacking of the manager. Must be less than a season in most cases?😊
to be hoenst i think the problem is that the man united fans themselves based on videos i watched and comments i read basicly are unwilling to tolerate each others opinion unless they agree with them its quite hard to find channels that are willing to host otherside of the argument
Next 5 years EtH in the hot seat. He will come good, and when he does, all doubters will go 🤫 Slot has a team already playing together a good team.
BACKED and SACKED are so similar i was in disbelief for a second 😂
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH Give him TEN MORE YEARS!!
My feelings as a man united fan are never changed by silly pundits, shitty tabloid newspapers or anything along those lines, man united are under huge change right now. I believe that we need to stick by our manager and our backroom staff to keep the dream alive, rome wasnt built in a day and our club has been in the mud for a very very long time. Erik ten hag knows what he is doing, the board know what they are doing but once our team has fully gelled and the plans have been ingrained into the players, i believe things will work out better than any rival fan wants.
How the hell am I at a Liverpool fans channel and agreeing with most of what you are saying. A few united channels are being sensible and using context to the sitauton. (united people's and Ste). Great vid!
if we're lucky he'll still be in charge when they come to Anfield later in the season.
Just remember this..we are currently in our down moments..still for the past 2 seasons.. ETH has made 2 cups..and it bring back our good memories..
yeah im frustrated when we loss..but still im not agree with sacking ETH...
i just hope this 2 recent losses is enough..and after the national break the squad is getting better..
In the past 10 years..i believe ETH is the most capable to bring UNITED back to it's glory..
Who is going to replace ETH? They can’t keep rebuilding every few years it’s mental.
There's always the flavour of the month, De Zerbi wasvthe replacement last year :)
@@renatovannoortwyck3302 Someone said Ruud Van Nistelrooy which would be an Ole 2.0. Clubs in the mud has been for years now
@@HonestTom1892 idiots say Ruud!
Based on what? He was a great striker yes, as a manager he's only at the start of his career. He did oké at PSV, but every half decent coach would.
Before ETH came:
Ragnick said we need to get rid of 15 players and have major heart surgery
We had our lowest point talley in premier league (still the lowest despite last season).
Haven’t won a trophy in 5 years
And people say it was a better squad, it wasn’t that bad etc.
They’re just forgetful. We were in absolute shambles.
There are some elements that look good at utd. They just need to find the right combination. That is where eth is failing.
When he has adapted to the opposition he tends to win.
As a man utd fan I appreciate your take
Big up
Breath of fresh air. United fans are so poisonous already. Too entitled and have short memories.
As a united fan I agree
This video makes a difference from twitter United fans with their “ bring dey boy greenwood back and don’t ruin sancho, and bring back dey ole man”
I'm happy we are backing EtH, as long as he can continue to make positives eventually speeding up progression and eventually winning what we should be I'll be happy....but if he can't then sure rethink
Not a fan of Man United, but have no ill will towards them, even though in the 2000s I hated them with a passion as an Arsenal fan but I can see, once fit, United having a decent, dynamic first team. Getting Hojland will be important. But a team of Onana, Yoro, Mazraori, De Ligt, Martinez, Dalot, Ugarte, Mainoo, Hojland, Zirkzee, Garnacho, Fernandes (as much as I can't stand him). That's a decent first team and then Ten Hag can build up the bench. But as of yet, Yoro has been injured, De Ligt and Mazraori have just arrived, Ugarte hasn't played yet and Hojlund is injured. And for all of the complaining about Zirkzee, he was in the right places last weekend, but didn't convert. Former strikers always talk about the goals coming when you're in the right place, it's when you're not in the right place, then you should worry. But he's where he should be and when Hojlund is back, he'll be raring to go. Why sack Ten Hag now? Pointless as he is building something.
I honestly think ETH will keep his job for 2 reasons. 1) FFP, it will cost United so too much to pay him off and will ruin INEOS's future plans. 2) INEOS's top tier replacements aren't available. If Nagelsmann was free ETH wouldn't have survived the summer. As things stand, it's early days and I think once ETH has all his players available he'll start getting some better results and get United to 4th/5th.
every club says they're backing the manager, usually right before they sack the manager, there's a reason city don't need to come out and say we're backing pep
Backing the manager is the kiss of death
Why the feck are you comparing a settled club to one that's busy being rebuilt from the ground up?
You could put Pep into this United setup and even he would struggle.
Ashworth, Berrada and Wilcox won't turn around fortunes overnight.
Two things that have really started to annoy me about ETH.
The delusional press conferences. Winning the FA cup and finishing 8th is not progress.
His persistence to use a system that reveals weaknesses of the players ie casemiro and mainoo. If Ugarte is a bust, what does he do then? Persist with the style or actually change it?
I think he's on thin ice now. If he loses to Southampton he should be sacked
Coming from a rival fans perspective. They should keep Ten Hag at least for the rest of the season. United being a dominant powerhouse is a thing of the past, and honestly I don’t see them ever being the United of old again. I know United fans love to say their club has history, they don’t seem to know their history. Outside the tenures of Busby and Fergie they were a mid table side that would win an occasional cup, so you know, better than spuds at least. What top level manager in their right mind would want to manage a club with no basic infrastructure in the modern game. It’s just funny because United fans all complain about how they are Man United and they should be winning league titles every season when that hasn’t been the case for over a decade now.
Anyone else notice that every football content creator has to talk about united allot good or bad just to maintain good viewer counts ? I know times are rough Lawrence but you'll end up part of united stand at this rate Jesus 😂
Utd owners were looking for other manager in summer yet they spend so much money on transfers. If they sack him & the new manager doesnt want his signings then again repeat.
God! This channel is a breath of fresh air!
As a united fan I find the united community a bit unbearable at time
Well you should keep ETH and start looking for his replacement right now
You guys being selective about ETH statement the reporter. When asked about tactics, he did say that he beat some of the best teams to win trophies. You and media are fixated only on Trophy part and ignoring he did beat both Liverpool and City to win that Trophy.
Backed to a corner
1:45 Yes. I think we shouldn't be dumb and return to, "Sack Ten Hag!!" as a coping mechanism for EACH LOSSES that we get.
And then suddenly praising the team when they ACTUALYY did great. I'll confidently say that those fans are either fake fans from another team or worse, bloody *hypocrites* that is not supposed to support the team if they stick on that mindset.
To be fait he was backed by 99% of United fans who said anyone who doesn't agree with them doesn't understand football and all that waffle right up until... like three days ago
Crazy that the most sensible person about United is a Liverpool fan
What’s the toxic common denominator.. rashford & Fernandez. Ferguson would have dumped them at a loss 2 seasons ago. I’m a LFC fan, the longer they stay the longer the rot. Long May it continue.
His favouritism to underperforming players such as Rashford will get him sacked. Comments in press conferences such as “harry potter” shows a creeping level of delusion that usually spell downfalls of managers.
Proof = pudding
Sir Alex didn’t win a trophy with Man Utd for 4 years (first trophy was the FA cup), and with patience and support, look what he went onto achieve. Ten Hag has won 2 trophies in 2 years - I’m not saying Ten Hag will achieve what Sir Alex did, maybe no manager ever will… but be patient, and trust INEOS know what they are doing.
I feel like a geek for immediately recognising his Ai analogy.. haha. FFs..
i like ten eth
He won’t be there. He can’t face that United STILL work best as a counter attacking team. Not ideal but United don’t have personnel to Play ETH way
Loz doing analysis for the autism in me.
absolutely not, no one truly knows what’s going on or how they would handle it. it’s time to stop judging and berating this team because their confidence is shot already
All these comments from the United big wigs came prior to the Liverpool game, so to say United have “backed” him is slightly misleading.
Keeping Ten Haag is not a bad choice, but it's not the best either. It's their only choice.
Tbf I’m not a United fan but the same people calling for him to be sacked now were also calling for it last season so it’s not based off 1-2 bad results.
You can use the ‘he needs time to adapt to the new players/coaches’ excuse in perpetuity because every window will have new players come in.
put it simple ten hag isn’t a manager who’s gonna create a dynasty or win ucls or be up there consistently. he didn’t do it at ajax . he got far with ajax but most of those players are gone now. if he can’t replicate that run consistently in a big club with so much history of being a giant like man united i think it’s time to move on. all these big clubs had a thing in common proven managers who win. let’s call his signings a bust, antony is a bust for 80 million. even watching man united they still have no play style after 3 years or clear direction. sure he’s strict but that doesn’t mean anything . ofc it’s hard to replicate what sir alex did but many other clubs did it why can’t he? cuz he can’t and it’s time to move on . they been a rebuild mode phase since 10 years ago. a decade and they haven’t improved and gotten worse and worse. people act like man united barely started getting horrible , no they been horrendous. starting from the office to the manager.
Black community of our fanbase is just
???
You’re an idiot 😂
Where are all the reaction videos to united fans raging over losses? you do it for other clubs
Utd & liverpool wernt that different in stats.
liverpool made less mistakes, Better at
finishing & Have better mentality. IF utd
keep those stats up along with improving
their finishing & mentality they WILL
improve! Its always strong emotional reactions after every loss. Be patient! How many managers do we need? Garnacho & Amad should be starting for me though & any players thats doing well. Others need to fight their way back in, NOW is about exposing the weaker players & playing the stronger players.
#Just my opinion
Admire that you are different but hard to follow. Seems a bit chaotic and longer than needed. But I won't unfollow yet
The argument in the first 40 seconds is already disingenuous. You could have made these same arguments for Solskjaer too.
No one truly knew what was happening behind the scenes then too. Fans however have seen enough on the pitch with poor performances and poor signings to realize that it has been no where near good enough in the reign of Ten Hag.
How long will we be in transition? In 39 years some people will be saying that Ten Hag is just 1 player away from challenging.
What is his point exactly? That the internet is too reactionary? Does it need to be said?
But also, there are plenty of competent adults who can assess Ten Hag without inside baseball knowledge, which can also happen to align with the most rabid of fan frothiness.
A loss against Liverpool will get you a backlash everytime.
And it's not like we can blame the referee on this one.
But an overhaul of the squad and the introduction of a new style of play will take time.
@@anovaguy exactly 👍
The club backing Ten Hag is the greatest example of the sunk cost fallacy we are witnessing in football rn.
He’s genuinely done an absolutely terrible job.
There is no identity of play at all after nearly 3 years, while managers like Postecoglou and Slot implemented their football within a pre season. United are basically parking the bus and praying on a counter in every big match.
His signings have been some of the worst in premier league history.
His favoritism and dislike for certain players is reaching absurdity.
United are basically too proud to admit that they have wasted 600 million and 3 years yet again.
When Klopp left, he left a structure to work with at Liverpool.
When Ten Hag gets sacked, he’s yet again going to leave the club at a state that is simply a shambles
A whole load of nothing
Tell me you don't watch Manchester United without telling me you don't watch Manchester United.
@@mahidsahariarmazumder2658 you guys are 100% Liverpool supporters that love Ten Hag and want him to stay forever. So am I lads. Ten Hag at the wheel!!!
@@siiir1322 least obvious rage bait
@@mahidsahariarmazumder2658 it’s meant to be obvious to remind you how much rival fans love ten hag and how everyone can see he hasn’t done enough. I usually like Loz videos, that’s why I subscribed lol, but this video is a case of trying too hard to be balanced and have a different opinion than the majority.
All the signings this club makes doesn’t make sense.
They sign de ligt, who was let go by Bayern because he isn’t a modern ball playing high line defender, when they already have Maguire for being exposed at defending high up the pitch.
They need a number nine, so they sign Zirkzee who’s more of a shadow/second striker.
Ugarte who isn’t a ball playing midfielder either, more the palhinha archetype, but they already got Mainoo for that.
All 3 of them are good players, but they are not what United desperately needs
If sport director says its backing the manager, many times the manager gets sacked 3 bad games later
Why are you on the internet? This way too nuanced! Get out of here!
I try and watch these to support you but they are just so incredibly boring.
I usually like your takes and think you're very measured. However, this is insane. It verges on a Utd fan deluded take.
Basically you're just saying €700m and they need more time and more money.
That could be applied to literally any team underperforming.
I feel this is a bit over the top on the takes and misses all the overwhelming evidence in front of your eyes.
Where is the style if play?
Where is the mentality?
What signs are there that this is improving?
All after 2 years.
People have also clearly laid out the changes that are clear at United. I think the thing which worries me most is mentality, that's what doesn't seem to change.
Loz is trying way too hard to be balanced to the point where it’s coming off as plain delusion
And also as a Liverpool fan it benefits him the longer that geezer is manager because I remember how harsh he was with ole (and rightly so) with true geordie
@@ayaanlatif2296 yeah that was 13 mins of defending perpetual underperforming with huge spend and no identity. Over 2 years.
Pure waffle and that is rare from Loz.
@@laurencemckenna mentality is the real biggy.
But Emery, Slot, Arteta, Postecoglu....for example...all had immediate passages of play where you could see the style. You can identify what they are trying to do.
Utd had been 2 years of moments from individuals with no 2 goals loooking the same.
Do you see my point?
That is not worrying, that is proof that he has no idea how to get them to do what he wants. Or he doesn't know what he wants to do.
Armchair expert.