5 Five things you need to know about Seiko Presage Cocktail time SRPB41J1
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- In this video I point out 5 facts about the new Seiko Presage Cocktail time. Let me know what you think in the comments bellow! Do you agree with my observations or not?! Model number SRPB41J1
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This watch isn't a luxury watch and is priced accordingly. Don't understand the point of the video.
For the price it's good..especially for someone like me who just started to get into Time pieces...I started with Bambino and now I have this one !
Very interesting that you have both the bambino and the cocktail time! How do you compare them both? Which one do you prefer?
1Channel2Watch oh seiko for sure...its like the next step up from the Orient.
Thanks for this feedback :) When you look at them on pictures/videos it is really hard to tell...
I got the SSA347 (same watch with power reserve and date dial) for $350!!! It is absolutely amazing for the price and you can get others at this price on Ebay for that price here in 2020. My watch didn't lose 1 sec in 3 days so far. Kid you not.
You are right about the crown. But as you say, the dial is stunning. And also the movement works fine. The one I got loses about 5 seconds in 24 hours.
Orient Bambino Blue V4
was doing this some time ago. Seiko, the sister company probably looked at the popularity of the Bambino and emulated the look. And added an exhibition caseback.
Nice watches
I also like the bambino too. Especially now when the later iterations have got the new hacking and hand winding movement!
I have the SRPB41J1 version of this watch.
I absolutely love it.
It's a beautiful watch with an exquisite dial.
I love the window display of the movement.
Yes it's not a rolex but for twenty times less you're getting something half as good.
One BIG LET DOWN is no sapphire crystal!
Just a 'hardlex' piece of crap that scratches easily.
What a shock, Seiko what were you thinking???
I ended up buying a custom made sapphire crystal to replace just because I love this watch so much.
Nice to hear you have done an upgrade. Are you happy with the new crystal? Does it have AR coating? This will open up the dial even more
@@1Channel2Watch I'm delighted with the new glass, it really elevates the whole watch. Those tiny scratches on the hardlex drove me crazy. No AR coating but I had to check that before replying so I've certainly not been bothered by reflection.
I don't own a Rolex but honestly you can not say that it is half as good as a Rolex. I like the Presage . It is a nice watch. Beautiful dial; but half as good?
No.
I have the white version and it also has a small gap between case and crown.
I Got it for £269 new so can't complain think it is supposed to be like that.
I have a Seiko with the 4R movement like this one and it keeps very good time minus 5 seconds in 24 hours.
My V4 Bambino is plus 5 seconds in 24 hours.
My two most dependable and elegant watches.
My Seiko is also very accurate at about +5 seconds. For the money one cannot complain for that accuracy.
Nice straight forward review and comparison. The crown thing is strange. Glad you showed the difference with the Hamilton. I agree Seiko could have done better there. I have been considering this watch but haven’t pulled the trigger yet. Glad I saw this.
Thanks Jim! I have checked several times in the Seiko AD - most models from this line suffer from this crown issue. Really strange. Thanks for your comment!
Also Presage is not Seiko's luxury watch brand, it's mid range. Grand Seiko is where it's at if you want to critique luxury.
Exactly, I just don't like that some people are trying to bill it as "same as luxury"
I'm happy with the SEIKO PRESAGE WATCH. The SEIKO gives a much better value for the money.
I agree with you that the dial makes up for any shortcomings with the rest of the watch. I don’t think many people really are suggesting that this is a luxury watch (like an Omega, Rolex or even Tudor). Also I don’t agree about the build quality of the case - mine feels fairly solid to me. Yes, your Hamilton might feel more solid but it’s a field watch not a dress watch so it’s bound to feel more robust. Also, when it comes to aesthetics the Cocktail time simply p*sses on the Hamilton from a very, VERY great height. There is no comparison.
The lack of Sapphire is a bit of a disappointment but not the end of the world for me. Also the 4R35 movement is solid enough and my guess is that it will last longer between services than a Swiss higher beat ETA. Time and time again these 4R35 (and equivalent NH35) movements are proving to be both extremely reliable and also surprisingly accurate which is why so many microbrands use them.
I love the large onion crown on the watch. Mine does have a tiny gap but it doesn’t bother me as it functions perfectly well.
Thanks for your comments jacc, I agree with your remarks. I am glad you are enjoying yours as much as I did. I ended up selling mine simply because it felt a little bit too small but I surely miss that dial...
1Channel2Watch Thanks for replying. Good to discuss these things. Will check out your other vids.
@@jacc88888 Thanks, any feedback is warmly welcome!
I picked up a new seiko presage blue dial for 315 USD very happy with the quality and finish keeps excellent time..
I actually paid 360 for mine so I think you got a good deal! May I ask what is the situation with the crown? Is it sticking out the same way as mine is?
I just bought the same one for $265 new. I'm glad I bought it. I've been waiting to have it to be part of my collection. I'm glad I waited. Patience is a virtue 🙏
I own this watch and as a beginner watch user, I think the overall quality is stunning at this price point. However, if you really have to compare this watch on par with luxury watches, Seiko Presage won't score a point due to the low cost of the craftsmanship and materials.
couldn't agree more, Herman
I think you get quite a lot for what you pay for but you’re right it isn’t Rolex!
I think your complaints about the movement are unfounded, sure it's not as nice to look at at watches in a higher price bracket, and the watch could have done without the exhibition case back and still been good, but the point about the movement is it's very reliable and well made, they can last a decade or more without service, sure it's undecorated but I like that it makes no apology for what it is.
The only criticism is that the actual cocktail time JDM watches this is based on used a slightly better movement, but it's not too great a deal apart from a shorter power reserve so for a reduced cost you're still getting a good deal in terms of the movement quality.
I agree very much with you say Harry! Thanks for the input!
It isn't a $10.000 watch It's a nice seiko watch and for the money a bargain. And in my opinion the most beautiful dial I've seen with a nice Japanese reliable movement
What's the whole point of this?
At the time this watch came out a lot of people on youtube were trying to tell us it is a luxury watch at at an affordable price. The point of this video is to confirm that the watch is very nice but it is nowhere near even entry level luxury.
What was the Hamilton watch you showed?! was very interested in that model, it reminds me of a Burberry watch my father owns which is out of production that ive been trying to find. I don't know how to describe it, but the way the case is machines like that it looks so beautiful.
Thanks @1Channel2Watch
Appreciate your take on the Cocktail time watch.
-S
Hi Sean, I will send you a private message with more details.
1Channel2Watch thanks looking forward to it ;)
Just tell us what the watch is xD Why would you keep that private?
@@Dewabarasunderan
Gosh, such a beautiful watch and not expecting any luxury experience for such price. Wearing these Japanese makes are so trendy nowadays.
Hi Ian, very beautiful indeed! It is hard to ignore this one!
Hi, How does the PRESAGE seiko SRPB46 comrpare to the PRESAGE SARY078? Close in price.
Hi, as far as I know they are both the same watch. SARY is the JDM version and the SRPB is the international version. Spec and looks wise they are 1:1. I guess the only way to tell if there is some difference whatsoever is to hold both of them in hand...
Yea you can nitpick all you want but at the end of the day watches are meant to be worn to accessorise a man's outfit and tell the time. A smart gentleman would spend his money wisely on a few value for money watches of different variety. I own a seiko skx013 which looks very nice on a metal bracelet and I wear it most of the time as it is hardy and waterproof, I have a vintage 1969 omega geneve 9k solid gold (got a good deal on ebay for $400) which I wear with a brown strap on casual days to match my belt/shoes and a black strap for more formal occasions, a skeleton watch which was a gift that I wear on special days, and one of these, which I will wear both on a night out and on a sunny day. What else can a man want?
It sounds like you have very balanced collection. I am a little bit envy that you have reached a level where you are satisfied with what you have. I am usually lusting after one more watch...
Holy shit, can a person be even more unspecific?
"The overall qualitiy" "The movement ist just not good"
A person just criticising for the sake of it (and views ofc)
The part about the crown is the only valid point
note taken. Will be more specific next time!
Does it have saffier glass?
Hi, no, the watch comes with Hardlex crystal. This is Seoko's propriety crystal formula. In terms of hardness it sits in between mineral crystals and sapphire.
Love Seikos but the old one is way better and more desireble imo.
I tend to agree - better movement and better built quality. Also, it is now discontinued which is making it more sought after...
I like the lighter dail better and really hate the Presage print on this, when i go to weddings etc i have a light blue shirt on always and the old watch would be a really nice combo.
A nd the old " cocktail time" is more expensive too.
Not much, would take if even if it cost twice.
I disagree. The SARB065 was too thick. the new range with the 4r movement has far better proportions
Never listen to people pretending they know « the truth »
I owned the watch and share my experiences with it, maybe not in the best possible way (poor English etc). I still stand behind my observations.
nobody thinks this watch is a "luxury" watch they think its a good value "dress" watch - which it is.
Spot on. Comparing this to luxury level is a disservice to the watch
I have 2 for sale now on ebay
The fact of the matter is, for the price point, you're hard pressed to find another dress watch that's as elegant as the cocktail time/presage range with the in house automatic movements. don't compare a circa £500 dress watch to a hamilton pilot/aviation watch...it's not the same thing. compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. the crown is a little too big imo but after having purchased the limited edition "starlight" model, i can honestly say, it doesn't really bother me that much anymore. if anything, it's a little more convenient when it comes to winding the power reserve. All in all, it's a great timepiece and if anyone is looking for their first/entry level dress watch, you can't go wrong with the cocktail time/presage range.
Sorry but I don't understand this Hamilton comparison. The Seiko is a dress watch whereas the Hamilton is a pilot one. Also the Seiko movement is compared to the Hamilton of a much higher level of quality as it's an in-house-movement that is made by hand in Japan. Hamilton uses simple ETA movements that are cheap and commonly used by almost every manufacturer out there. Additionally Hamiltons are very likely to be produced almost entirely in China. ;)
Hi Leo, the Hamilton comparison was just to emphasise on the build quality and feel. The Hamilton just feels better built. I am not trying to compare them in any other way. When closely inspected the Swiss movement just looks and operates better. However, if you do the comparison with the first Seiko Cocktail, which has a higher grade movement, I think it will be a different story... Hey, thanks for you input, highly appreciated!
ETA movements are not "simple", they are still higher grade than any Seiko generic movement, hence most luxury Swiss brands use ETA. Not all watches can use ETA because they are expensive and the ETA company only supplies movements to some brands. Don't compare simple Seiko to Swiss quality
EtA only supplies to Swiss companies because their arses were getting kicked. So why supply the enemy?
Also GS not qualified for Chronometer status only because not made in Europe. Scared much??
Sorry but ETA is the absolute evidence for Swiss manufacturers being too lazy for having their own ideas. Even the IWC Portofino of my dad is supplied with an ETA movement. They are not bad, but they are easily made. A real in-house-movement is a sign for good watchmaking knowledge and customer related service.
Seiko even uses its own alloy for their mainsprings, got a very good shock absorber an their magic lever is a masterpiece of engineering.
That's why Seiko watches are so popular all over the world. They are workhorses that even in 100 years will work as fin as on their first day. I am owning my Cocktail Time for 2 weeks now and it's simply amazing. Very accurate an precise.
As soon as you're hitting the GS models you are rapidly outrunning every Swiss manufacturer. Their built quality is second to none. They are stunningly well made and the regulation of every single movement takes a month! The best chronometer is the one, that doesn't even carry a COSC Certificate.
Seiko Presage and GS is watchmaking made in Japan at its finest!
Hahaha, you tell them! These swiss fucks need to give up and go home. On yer bike, silly fucks. Banzai
what is the name of the Hamilton ?
Khaki field pioneer. I have a video on it
This line is not in the luxury segment and such beautiful automatic watch for this price range is value of money. With prejudice, your comment is so ‘unspecific’ and wake. Obviously, already have preconceived opinion with nothing good on these range.
Hi Ian, it seems you have heard only the negative part of my review. I am not the only one person being slightly disappointed by this watch. Other youtube reviewers have also expressed disappointment. However, I point out what is also good about the watch but many people focus on the negativity mainly.
My crown is fine is not sticking out
Thanks for the feedback! It seems my unit has a problem then!
Such a beautiful and classy watch ..so why are you looking for faults and imperfections with it??
Because I see them and want people to know about it. You don't have to agree with me but if you are a person who has luxury watches and you pickup this particular Seiko you may be a bit disappointed. Hey, no hard feelings here - you don't have to agree with what I say :)
We ll the Seiko is not a $10k watch is it?
Good because I do not agree with what you say.
You ought to sell the watch.
Do you think it is defective? I have seen plenty of pictures of the same model online and many have the same crown positioning...
No I think your way of thinking is defective.
He should perhaps sell it because he seems not completely happy with it.
FIRST WORLD WORRIES....
Even a Patek Philip doesn't look so sturdy. I don't need any sturdiness on a dressy watch.
LUXURY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.....
Poor man Moto
And value for money?
Value for money is still good but the long stem of the crown makes it a deal breaker for me.
That’s not even the original bracelet for the watch….
yes, this is not the original bracelet
I think your review is good because not everyone has hands on access to the watch. It is different to actually hold the watch and see it.
You point out the watches strengths and it's weak points and you said that it is a great little watch for the money.
It is true that it is not a luxury watch. and that is OK.
There is a huge difference between a luxury piece and a base level Presage.
I think that this is the point that you are making. Example (Omega or Breitling.)
It is always better to experience the watch in person; especially if you are dropping a lot of money.
That was a very incorrect comparison as this seiko is not sold as a luxury watch
I was addressing the hype and other reviewers who were trying to present it as such.
NEWSFLASH : There is nothing wrong with this watch ,it is a real beauty. Why is the revivewer picking faults with it? This Seiko is a superb timepiece.
The reality is such that the watch has some negative characteristics that I wanted to point out. I have also mentioned the positive aspects so I am not here to trash that Seiko. I like it myself for what it is!
Seiko always cuts corners and can't keep proper time. 😞
There are some Seikos that are accurate but it is really a hit and miss. At this price point you don't really get consistency with Seiko and this is a big problem for most people.
These watches are easy to regulate.
Nonsense
You're not exactly the smartest person in the world. You keep talking about some kind of luxury watch. Well, no normal person thinks that €400 will buy a luxury watch, quite the opposite. You've missed the point and are better off doing something else than talking nonsense on YT.
Seiko is pure garbage, i bought it just because my dad love seiko, it helps me remembering him, just it and nothing more and also i can only appreciate grand seiko, the rest is pure rubbish in my opinion, they have no class in every aspects compare to swiss, even to the lowest class swiss watches manufacture! Seiko is only for poor, it never and never be the same class with swiss.
Wow you really don't care about history and tradition, you seem very uncultured and a watch snob not a real watch enthusiast.