The EJ Engine: Subaru's Crown Jewel or Overrated Relic?
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- Figured we would give the EJ a little bit of love and talk about why it is the best mass-produced engine built by Subaru. Subaru has made a good amount of engines throughout the years however from the enthusiast standpoint is any one better than the other? Personally, I think the EJ series takes the cake for the best engine made.
The availability and affordableness of parts, the modification potential, community support, reliability, and more make it a top contender for the best-produced engine.
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I love my EJ. i don’t care what anyone else has to say, to me it’s reach legendary status
They are 🤌
In the middle of rebuilding my EJ. Your videos have helped me tremendously and given me so much comfort in my decisions, HUGE THANKS DUDE!!!
Glad they’ve helped me mans 🔥🥳 how’s the rebuild going 👀
The EJ has reached legendary status in my eyes. Like you said, the aftermarket support is absolutely INSANE. AutoX? Got parts for it. Rally? That too. Drag racing? Why not here’s some parts. In the process of waiting to get mine back from the shop and I’m never straying away from the EJ. Gods engine!
I love that my FA has DI. Fantastic under 400 whp, but you're right that that's basically the cap without paying stupid money.
They get up to that 400whp point pretty quickly though 🔥
MotoIQ did a really good video comparing the EJ and FA. The gist, that I took away, was that (from and engineering standpoint) the FA is better in every way except its lack of priority oiling, and it's still relatively new, so the aftermarket just hasn't had a lot of development time with it compared to the EJ (roughly one decade compared to roughly 4 decades).
The MotoIQ vid was packed with good intel on the FA. Reinforced my WRX Limited choice in '21, although now I've upgraded at least as much as the cost differential for an STI, and arguably would have been pretty sweet to own the last production model. I don't think we knew it would be the last in June of '21. Love my REX though, and now that Cobb has released flex fuel for '15-21...
me and my narrowbody sitting in the corner while widebodies get all the cosmetic mods
I got a narrow body too😂💯💯💯💯 08 WRX HATCHBACK
Keeping the narrow bodies alive 🤌
@@Smeedia cheapest way to get into an EJ platform nowadays. Happy someone else besides me said it. Everything inferior about them like the small turbo and soft suspension gets swapped out with a build anyway. ((FBO 08 Hatch Premium with just forged pistons and ACL bearings talking.))
Same, 08 wrx hatch vf52 swap fbo with cobb flex fuel kit before they stopped making them.
@@MoDeeRUN Hatch Gang! #narrowbodylove
Never owned a EJ, thankfully my coworkers and I all have subies of mix gens. Coming together and working on each others is a blast. Learning our pros/cons and whats its like building them. Eventually I want a STI. Buts hard to let cars go for me. Awesome informative video T💯💯🤘🏼
One day ima see you zooming by in an STI 🚗💨
The term Subaru parts is the most searched item in Craigslist and auto parts classifieds for sure
If that’s true it wouldn’t surprise me 😂
Im in the middle of building my EJ and i love to see this video come out!!! Really helps with confidence haha
Get that thing going 🔥🙏
Great video man, thanks for sharing the EJ love!! 🤘
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Dawg, I still miss my old 95 Impreza 2.2l L coupe to this day. That thing was such a beast of a car, you couldn't kill that block. It's still around, new owner is somewhere nearby, I see it every now & again. The car really, really, needed to have body work/rust repair done that was way outside my wheelhouse, went to a good home honestly.
I have a friend somewhere nearby that specialized in high compression N/A EJ blocks, specifically the EJ22s. He's like the foremost expert online on the Subaru forums in terms of that side of the "platform" so to speak. One of his Magnus Opus cars finally just shit the bed the other day, I think it was honestly a chassis issue not an engine issue.
With the amount of aftermarket and motorsports r&d on the EJ engine there are endless possibilities 😊
I think what I like about the EJ so much is that it’s such an accessible engine to learn on and there’s such a large variety of sub variants and once you know the basics you can basically do anything to them. My legacy with a 255/257 had its first motor last for 348000ks stock (killed it when I brought it home whole other story) and the second one now will be cracking 200 so they do last if looked after and not just abused
Great video man as always!
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Wow, we're 8 years apart. I thought you were closer to my age. I'll be 39 in August.
We are relics lost in time and space 😂
38 year old squad
I absolutely loved my EJ25t in my 04 xt it was my 1st ever subie !! Never let me down just hated changing plugs haha, love the channel so much! Cant wait to see what engine you picked instead of another EG33
Plugs aren’t too bad to do after you’ve done em a few times 😅
I did plugs on my Tacoma a few days ago and much would have rather done a set on a Subaru 😂
Like others have said, your videos are so valuable to all of us!! My EJ failed in my 2012 sti 3 weeks ago :( not exactly sure what happened, it was knocking a bit then shut down. I bought a new “stage 2” block. The shop thinks it will be about 16 grand total for the whole job(includes e85 tune) do you guys think that’s a normal price? I’m upgrading turbo to a blouch 20g 8cm, they say I should be at about 400whp( currently 345) Kinda seems low to me considering all the mods I have. Full Cobb e85 kit with the injectors, rails, fuel pump, headers, exhaust.
FA are great for bolt on peeps. It's expensive to build but you can make a ton of power, but if you drive and take care of them properly you can make a lot of power reliably. I've seen stock RA blocks do some wild things.
For someone who only wants a few bolt ons for fun the FA is awesome. But overall I still say Daddy EJ takes the 🎂 😅
you are very knowledgeable when it comes to Subaru engines. EJ being produces for such a long time, fairly confident a lot of the inherent initial problems it had has been almost fixed. right now I am debating whether to pick up a 2017-2021 sti or to go get a 2024 wrx as another daily driver (I have a 2017 Toyota 86 GTS since new)
love the videos EJ is just the way to go have a GC8 with 03 blob STI swap and have no issues as my daily driver 😁
i've got a 2019 sti that i put an iag 550 block in last summer, catless downpipe., ets exhaust, iag aos, slowmotion motorsports tune, 315hp/340tq, handful of other things. Love it!
It’s really a good motor and easy to work on. I have several over 200k and a forester with 300k.
I’ve seen a couple go over 400K, taken care of and unmodified they can go for a WHILEZ
I live in Japan and one of my dream cars is a GRB hatch. I would like to know how much more reliable an EJ20 is in stock form. It can get extremely expensive to repair them here.
@@YuichiTamakitbh the JDM EJ20s from what I’ve seen take a bit more abuse and are a bit more reliable when cared for
@@Smeedia Thanks for replying! Are oil leaks a given in these engines? Here cars with 100k kilometers go down in price dramatically.
@@YuichiTamakinaturally at 100K you’ll have some leaks. Nothing outside of the normal.
Valve covers, rear main, cam seals etc 🫡
As a 2 time owner, 03 wrx and 05 sti, i can agree with almost every point you made. Maintenance and care are of upmost importance. They will treat you right if you treat them the same. ❤
They’re also easy peasy to maintain, Subaru made em legos 😂😅
Born in 93 LOL thanks for making me feel old complete with modem noise..... I was a freshman in HS in 93 LOL. With all the aftermarket engine makers the EJ will be around for years and years to come. I'm thinking about doing an EJ project car maybe a Porsche 914 or a VW Beetle with a full STI built setup.
23 wrx owner here, love your content since I got my first subaru wrx. I have a good feeling that experimentation with the fa24 will continue due to promising numbers we're seeing on the stock block, 500+ with an upgraded turbo kit. It seems that the fa24 has a lot of potential and hopefully aftermarket companies see the investment as a positive.
It’s definitely possible but the 24 desperately needs an affordable secondary fueling option. Once that’s out or someone makes it, it would be a game changer for those engines 🔥
i just put a fully built FA20 block with an STI driveline but still don’t plan on making more that 500whp. i feel like the FA20 (idk anything abt FA24 or RA) is more reliable than the EJ255 but never had an EJ so im biased
EG33 pretty much is an EJ22 with 2 extra pots. I’d have stuck with the 33 - dry sumped. Aren’t they also semi closed deck? 33 would have more air flow with less boost.
Dont forget the ER27, the EA82 with an extra 2 cylinders!
EA82 low key on top 👀
@@Smeedia would lowkey love to restore an old vortex with the factory EA82 turbo, just intake, exhaust and water to air intercooler mods. Shame they're as rare as hens teeth here in Aus T.T
idk, man, I think the color of your shirt is fine, I also hear that comments make the RUclips algorithm do the good things, so rock on.
hearing about the motors going 300k/400k in a stock form is also really cool
I’ve narrowed down my personal car collection to a EJ257 Hawkeye STI, and a B18C1 swapped civic coupe. My two favorite engines period. From how they drive and behave , to working on them and their design l.
I have to admit though- the 2.5L hybrid in my wife’s 23’ rav4 is wild. The way it supplements power with the individual electric motors is a huge performance adder they don’t market as a feature.
The EJ seems to handle high horsepower and high turbo boost than other platforms. Bader loves getting serious power from stock blocks. My FA20 blows after 350 hp and torque
FAs imo are fantastic up to about 450ish whp after they they become some serious money pits
350? Ive talked to many tuners who say they are capable of 400+ as long as you keep the toque down, obviously the stock clutch is gonna need upgraded tho
@@Smeediamaybe it’s cuz I own an 86 but is 450hp necessary out of an FA?
On no mods other than a boost controller?( Which is me).Stock fuel pump, no front mount intercooler, no injectors, pump gas? Unheard of
@@omarawilson2853on the 86 you can get more out of em, the 86 has Toyotas D4S that comes factory with direct and port injection. The WRXs only get direct injection
I used to rally my 04 STI, now its RWD drift car. built/tuned 257 still going strong! but once the EJ goes, its LS time
Currently have a 2016 wrx and deep down I want to own an sti and learn the EJ platform
Smedia (boss) i just bought a 02' WRX bug aye that has a p0304 soaking spark plug on that cylinder but top on that i found that my turbo,intel,hose, throttle body was full of oil
Car smoke trough the oil filler cap withe,blue smoke and when i change the oil i found residue of metal on the oil (no piece of metal) just like car metal paint colors
What kind of recommendations can give me ...if no bad to ask (first time i have my dream car)
Thanks on advice
Ok the ej is a good engine, especially for its time. Its actually relatively simple.
Ej20 turbo is a good build, especially 2.1 stroker.
Availability of parts, knowledge, common recipes for power.
But for very high power i wouldn't recommend
Good video, nice content
With the 5 speeds how much power can a 06 wrx box take?
Choice of wording for title is great!!
Felt fitting 😅
i agree 100% however searching for 10+ years on google, youtube, etc. i cannot find much if any detailed info on adding nitrous to the EJ platform or tuning for it! i know people do it, I've seen it! but i cannot find the info i need to know before i take that leap...🤷♂️
Honestly my favorite part about the EJ is how easy it is to work on! People's first argument is always "but you have to pull the engine to get the spark plugs"... like okay sure the spark plugs are kinda a pain, but literally everything else is so easy and so well thought out! The fact that you can easily reach/access everything from the top or bottom is so great!
they have been around so long there is almost always a trick, or a set of tools/extensions that work perfectly for the tight spaces and you can figure that out on forums or by asking around fairly easily. doing spark plugs with the right tools is easier on an EJ than a lot of other cars that people generally consider easy to work on.
This video was a super intresting watch as a 2015+ wrx driver who has never looked into modding an EJ.
Also, woukd love to watch you mod a honda. For funzies
RSX? 👀
@Smeedia Really had me looking thinking I missed something being at work all the time. RSX for sure 👌
@@Smeediaprelude SH….are those still around? Or an ITR.
EJ's are legendary! That being said I love my 350ish WHP my FA24 provides with simple bolt ons. Especially as a daily!
Sub 450whp the Fa24 takes the cake all day 🔥
That exhaust glowing hot! 4:42
It got a little warm 😂😅
Honestly love the sound of my ej25, and I have had some problems with my subaru but mainly due to the previous owner, I have fixed every problem it had and now having it running pretty good. I don't think the ej is a bad motor at all, just have to stay on top of your maintenance and just use the car for what it's meant for!
What about the FA24 in the gen2 brz and 86. How do they compare since they have both direct and port injection with due to collaboration with Toyota
IMO better, they come with Toyotas D4S fuel system so the limitations can be overcome. It better
I may be biased but EJ's are the best subaru engine. Sound better than almost any other engine too (unequal headers)!!! So much love for the EJ! BRAP!!
You can hear the rumble coming from miles away 🎶
@@Smeedia It is a warning call to all the haters that you are about to roll in!! By the way, thanks for the how to videos! Helped me so much already on my journey to modding my ej!
Rocking the Outfront EJ205 myself. I must agree with you. They are the best built motor that I have encountered thus far. I'm just waiting on my cylinder heads to come back from the machine shop so I can drop the heart back into the beast!!
What all you getting done to the cylinder heads? 👀🔥
@@Smeedia I’m going for a more stockish build with GSC cams 😎 ……for now
I've had an EJ207 with 200k kms on it unopened no problem and now I've got a WR1 (also EJ207) for 6 years, never had any problems
I've gapped the new 2023 wrx in my 2011 wrx with over 200k miles, I'm convinced that the extra low end tourqe of the 2.5 helped in a straight line, meanwhile the 2.0 makes it's power on the top and mid end
Let’s go Tanner!! The Epiphany has come to fruition!!! 😍
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Woooooooooooooooooo!!!
wow tanner low blow coming after the narrowbody guys like that 😭😂
Talks about the fa20 on the wrx platform only forgetting about the brz/86 being port/direct injectored from factory and only need a bigger set of PI. They can make 400-500 on stock motor and when built still get 8L/100km on e85
They can make it but not reliability, had my fair share of BRZs both N/A and Turbo. Fueling system better than the WRX but still wouldn’t rank it the best
Hay man were is the best place in western Washington for tuning
NASIOC: BUILT MOTOR section, there's GOLD in that section. Look in the STICKY Links to great threads.
Owned a 02 bugeye and still have my 08 wrx, couldn't agree more with the 5 speed transmision, never had a problem with the Ej's always had problems with the 5 speeds. By the way Narrow Body WRX's are SEXY and Slim Lined!
I have a '99 Subaru legacy wagon with a ej22. I might do some mods to it but for now I'm just trying to make sure the transmission runs lol
Auto trans? 👀
@@Smeedia yeah, auto kinda feels like torque converter honestly
@tanner, why has Subaru not produced a new 3.0l engine to replace the EG33?
They have the EZ30, but with Subaru already moving towards electric and the EPA getting harder in manufactures it’s not something I don’t think we would ever see another
@Smeedia 6 cyl version of the fa series would also be interesting tbh but sadly true with what your saying
what do you think the most power you can put on a stock block ej257
I mean you can do 4 digits. Might only last one pull though 😂
i love hearing this because i have a 05 sti and just love it one of the best cars i have ever had i dont know that much about the FA but i would not get one i will stick with the EJ yeah buddy
I was one who thought nothing but negative about ej engines. Always been into Hondas and evos. But after I take just a LITTLE bit of time to do my own research, it seems what you spoke is 100% facts. Enjoyed this video.
Eyyyy they can be hit or miss for some people. But when set up right they can be pretty stout 🫡
@@Smeedia I think I want to take a crack at it one day.
Ok this makes me want to keep the STI I was thinking about trade it in for an Audi S5 or Audi A7 lately, because every time I go into social media I see people saying how they are on their third engine and even reels about head gaskets engine knocks every single day from subie owners so Ive been thinking if I should keep my STI but I’ll keep it and buy the Audi later
Subaru still has everything for my GD at the dealer so far
What about the difference between the 20 and 25. I’ve heard a lot about the 207 being one of the best
V7 207 got fired pistons
Main difference is 2.0L vs 2.5L
Different cranks, pistons same bearings
Both great. The 20s tend to be able to rev out a bit farther
Proud owner of a '21 STI here. Last of its breed, and will be missed. I have many plans for it, once the warranty is gone (august). Shame there is not going to be a port injected successor. :/
I think the days of only port injection are behind us now 💔
I have a 21 STi as well and want to mod it but due to the high cost of mods I'm going to sell it and mod a GC8. A lot more bang for your buck.
@@thedon9670 I would keep the VA, as its literally the last of its breed. Its value will go up over time. 21 STI with 16k miles would fetch around $42k privately sold. Trade in is only around 30-34K. I guess it really boils down to how much you want to mod. Personally, im going mild. Id be happy with 325 WHP. After that, you have to worry about reliability, and i intend to drive it till the wheels fall off, then just replace spindles and keep going xD
@@Smeedia At some point i need to make my way up there, and hit up Josh (Bader), Devin, and you. Id love to pick all 3 of your brains and learn a few tips / tricks to get my STI where i want it.
has anyone ever STI swapped a frs/brz?
Love my EJ25. Even though I'm ready to sell the car and buy another coupe to do an EZ30 swap on lol.
Thanks Short King. Build that RS!
Lmao
On my second EJ in less than a year. First built block blew on the Dyno. Rodknock. No one knows why. Second is at nearly 1k miles and was ready for a dyno session until it decided "No. I don't want to commute back and forth to work"... Trying to figure it out with the tuner.
Who is your tuner? 😮
Would love to see you build out a big power EJ20. I'm at about 400hp with mine, but there's more there :)
207 is the next EJ we’re building and that’s for my coupe 🫡
@@Smeedia Sweet!
I've had EJs and loved them, but a stock FA24 block is a substantial improvement vs an EJ. You can surely pull the block apart and make an amazing example of an EJ like I've seen you and many others do, but stock for stock the EJ surpassed
We’re looking at overall, not just block for block. You’ll still hit the fueling wall, transmission swap, lack of cams etc for the FA24. Things will become substantially more expensive than if you were to do it with an EJ
@MotoIQ/Mike Kojima agrees with you. The FA blocks have better cylinder bracing and support. He has a long video comparing both EJ and FA blocks, and the FAs have a lot of notable advantages.
The Achilles heel of FA engines though is direct injection.
EJ4life, yup you can get a brand new EJ207 short block from STi in Japan, suspect they'll keep cranking those out forever, easy money. Cool seeing the twin turbo Legacies tuning up in the US market and everyone frothing over them, if you want the deep lore on those check the old Aus and NZ forums (we're old and we've forgotten most of it, and we thought we blew them all up 🤣)
I foresee Subaru selling EJ stuff for the next 10-15 years before we start seeing any parts disappear 👀🫣
Question will an ej fit in the new wrx lol. Asking for a friend. With drivetrain but we know that works
Technically speaking it’ll physically drop right in
@Smeedia lol not me putting an ej when ever the fa goes
🎉Thank you for this video!! All engines will eventually be outdated, but the EJ is iconic; which the FA never will be. The sound, the feel, the tunability...FA can't touch it.
The FA could turn into one in due time, never know 👀
The EJ is cool in it’s own right. The sound is iconic.
But i prefer the FA, bc it spools so quick and 400whp is plenty for me. I’m not out here trying to go for some absurd power number 😅. And contrary to popular opinion, i actually like the ELH FA sound, it’s still got a rally vibe to it imo
Got 144k mile stock engine with a stock turbski, hoping for another 20k at least but going 200k would be dope :)
Eyyyyy keep er going 🥳
Went 310k miles on a ej205 with vf30. Drove it like I stole it most of the time. Granted I blew 4 5 speeds in the process.
Other than being a pig on gas, I love mine, I kept mine stock and love it!
Coming from the Honda world, I view this engine similarly to the B series Honda engines. The FA/FB was unfortunately just released too late. If they were dropped before GDI became normal and CARB was so strict, they probably would have become legendary like the K
The timing just wasn’t right, few years earlier and could’ve been a totally different story
SR20s have a massive aftermarket support too! ❤
I do love me some SR20s 🔥
Buy the EJ25 Stage X from IAG and put it on the VA with the best part to see how good it really is.....should be and interesting video😉
Funny how almost every turbo Subaru turbos I see for sale has the engine rebuilt. All under 150kmi usually lol
They definitely are good engines , mine is 2011 STI , 160 000km , doesn’t even burn oil !!!! Never in 13 years I had a single issue whit that car!!!
They definitely need a new revamp or atleast make it stronger, I’ve made 700+ on fa20’s and the fa24 is showing good potential to do all that stock long block, like the blue one in Dallas makes 850 in his fa24, 🤷🏻♂️ if Subaru upgraded bearings and stuff it would be fine both ej and fa
Imagine if Subaru went back and gave us a revised EJ 😅
@@Smeediathey definitely should, ra blcok with better rods and everything would be fire 🔥, I do hope the fa24 goes a long way, it’s different and I’ve worked on so many Ej’s that I wanna see a successor
Personally I think the same could be said for FA engines. Granted I've never driven an EJ based wrx and would love to have one some day, but for someone like me who never had a particularly fast car 300 HP with some bolt ons and a good pro tune is awesome, bonus is decent gas mileage. And if I really wanted the sound of unequal length headers tomei makes em for 500 bucks
Please do no put UEL manifolds on FAs, it’s not great for the FA engines 😅 but the FAs are great reliable power plants sub 450 WHP 🔥
@@Smeedia Honestly with the better cylinder cooling and larger bores Id argue they can handle UEL headers better then EJs. Problems only start from the weaker rods which as long as you keep it under 350 tq youre fine.
Doesn’t the FA24 make power dramatically easier than the EJ?
Yes but only up to about 450whp then the FA gets exponentially more exspensive
Oh ok I gotcha
Ej20. The 25 is literally just a bigger bore ej20. Some engineer was just like yeah make the cylinder walls thinner that will work?
The main problem with EJ FA FB engines is mass production, Subaru has to produce millions of engines as quickly as possible. During the casting process contaminates, oxidation, or dross are introduced into the mold causing irregularities visible on the outside of the casings. This causes internal stress and weaknesses that eventually distort the block, more (HP) stress and heat creates more distortion. The early EJ 20g and 22T blocks were cast in a vacuum chamber mostly eliminating contamination and porosity resulting in a much stronger block however this was not cost effective so Subaru abandon this method.
Why don't we have both?
Omg you used my friends forester video for the "bust" 😅
I was trying to find the original video to give em credit but it’s been used so much 😢
@Smeedia it's been reposted so many times, he understands. I would post his insta but I don't want him getting a ton of hate mail 😅
I still want to see you build a 207
I still have one 👀
I believe the fa has been around since 2012 in the brz and maybe even the impreza, different variations though
The N/A FA20 yes you are correct, I was leaning more towards the Fa20DIt 🫡
I think the imprezas have the fb20
Crown Jewel. The EJ’s limitations are pretty easily overcome and relatively cheap in comparison to every other engine they have produced since. Mainly because overcoming the fueling issue on direct injection is SO costly.
If they make an affordable option for secondary fueling on the 24s that could all change 👀🫣
Can you explain to my cousin who hates Subaru's because his first Subaru head gasket blew and cost him 1500 to replace the head gaskets at 100,000 miles and that he won't ever buy a Subaru ever again because every 100,000 miles you are going to have to replace head gaskets is that true?
Not at all true, regardless of whatever companies make engines at the end of the day a head gasket is a wear item. When a head gasket fails can be attributed to anything. I’ve seen factory or head gaskets go 200+K miles. I’ve seen Nissan, Toyota etc head gaskets fail at 80K miles and vise versa.
@@Smeedia thank you 🙏
I’ve seen some high mileage ej engines both turbo and na. If you treat them right there a good platform, idc what anyone says
Stock and well treated EJs I’ve seen go FOREVER
If Subaru had made their turbo engines closed deck it would have gone a long way in helping out their image. My EJ22t has over 300,000 on it and to my knowledge was the only closed deck engine the US got. That engine is very desirable and in demand.
Factory closed deck blocks would have been absolute game changers. V7 207 and 22 are top 🔝
I came to this conclusion about the EJ and parts is a gift to people with older cars… you can still keep them running because the parts are still available at real world prices.
With the last EJ car being made in 21, I foresee a good stock pile of OEM stuff for at least the next 10-15 years before some stuff starts disappearing 👀
Caught the IAG podcast. Love the content but sad to hear the news
ea888 is a Volkswagen engine, Subaru engine usually have 2 numbers after the letters, like my ea82
You right, it was the 82 😅🫡
330k km on my 05 LGT wagon, stock internals but COBB and grimmspeed everything else. 🇨🇦. GET A GOOD TUNE.
Things still going! 🔥
Imo people doing mods without a proper tuner is why the blow. WRX are drivers cars. Driving completely changed when I got my WRX. I see snow, rain ect and get excited
Why you getting excited for rain 🌧️ 🥲
Gotta do the proper calibrations with em 🚀
@@Smeedia We got some areas were you can pretend you're a amateur rally driver. Rain and snow makes it even more fun
I just wish my Fozzy wasn’t in the shop…