05:50 Fun fact: Sigvald the Magnificent, champion of Slaanesh, has a company of bodyguards called the Mirror Guard, who carry polished silver shields so Sigvald can always admire his reflection.
@wernerfuhry Personal reasons that were not elaborated on. The part from the post discussing it: "Hey everyone, as some of you might have noticed, on Monday the 2nd of December Red left the server, stepping down from the podcast for the foreseeable future due to personal reasons. It saddens us greatly to see him leave, but we equally hope this will give him the time to find himself again in his own time and his own space. Until then, we hope to see him again soon and wish him nothing but the best."
Headcanons for the sizes of massive Imperial ships Gloriana-class Battleship (this part is obvious enough but some people don't really get it) - has a minimum length of 12km (Eternal Crusader) and as long as 28km (Invincible Reason) Bucephalus - 39km Imperator Somnium - 50km (I don't believe it was continent-sized, even if it's canon.) The Rock - 100km in height (that cool artwork makes me think that the Rock is just the fortress-monastery sitting atop some large continental crust from what was left of Caliban, with the crust facing forward like a dagger.) The Phalanx - 1,500 km in diameter (moon-sized) The Speranza (AdMech Ark Mechanicus) - 2,100 km in length (launching this ship destroyed the planet it was constructed upon lol)
For the Glorianas, they always seem more of a greater typing or title rather than a single definite class, due to the sheer diversity in tonnage they can have. It can be assumed that there was once a single STC template for a Gloriana-class, but it was then modified as the users saw fit and components of the design were used on other ships. For example, massive ships like the Invincible Reason, which was in many ways a Gundam-style "super prototype" given a bunch of archaeotech goodies by order of the Emperor. The size of the Invincible Reason is actually unclear, as the quote of 28 km is specifucally of the length of the htand processional hallway, which even if it spanned most of the ship's length, there would be some of the frontal prow that was ahead of it, as well as the giant ramming spike and some of the rear engine divider fin. Then there's the Vengeful Spirit, which as specifically called a "Scylla-pattern" and was massive, with Garro mentioning that its main side lances (which would be the length of the main hull between the armored prow and the engine area) was twice the size of the Endurance, which was Mortarion's Gloriana. The Vengeful Spirit would get EVEN BIGGER during the Heresy, as it would add a massive extended Chaos-style prow on top of ots existing one, as well as a giant armor cowling on top of yhe rear engines. For reference, compare this image of the Pre-Heresy VS: static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a0/The_Vengeful_Spirit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150209004009 and this one of it during the Siege of Terra: i.pinimg.com/736x/e1/fb/06/e1fb067e6ce12b77288c48ff672c7632.jpg The fact that it was called a Scylla PATTERN implied that it wasn't the only one of its kind, which would later be confirmed with the introduction of the Magna Tyranis, the second 16th Legion Gloriana that was used as Abaddon's flagship during the Heresy. The Eternal Crusader being a Gloriana while being as small as it is is actually due to it being retconned as one. It was originally emvisioned as just the flagship of the Black Templars, a battle barge but bigger (10km as opposed to the 5km that Imperial battleships were in the earlier editions), but then the Heresy books mentioned that the original Gloriana used by the Fists had the same name, which was most likely done as a nice little reference to something in 40K. They just forgot to change the specs of the ship in 40k to make that align better to modeen lore, so now there's apparently a Gloriana that's only 10 km long, which is barely bigger than stabdard battleships. As for the Imperator Somnium, my headcanon is that it definitely would have started out as relatively smaller in the supership size (50-ish km like you say) and would have kept on expanding and growing as the Imperium grew and more and more tech and resources were encountered and aquired by it, especially any form of spicy archaeotech or Warp-related systems that the Emperor would have wanted for himself. With the Rock, I actually tried to calculate an approximate size of the visual seen in the Warzone Fenris art, with it appearing from the warp with a swarm of battleships and battle barges. First thing I did was go to paint and select the entire thing as best as I could. Then, I rotated it until it was approximately parallel horizontally to the screen. I then measured how many pixels it was from stem to stern. The version of the image I used got me a result of 1029 pixels long. The next step was to scale it to the battleships around it. The art makes this easy, as literally all the ships around the Rock are either battle barges, or Retribution-class battleships. Modern sources of 40K state that these ships are approximately 8 km in length. With that in mind, the next step is to find the smallest ship on screen that could be seen in front of the Rock and not behind it. The best way to do this is to look close and see if the little specks that are the ships are mostly black when surrounded by the colorful Warp energies abd weather parterns of the Rock, meaning they are in front of it, or if they are tinted, which means they are behind it. The snallest ship I could definitely say was in front of the Rock using this metric was 4 pixels in length. So it's a simple equation of dividing 1029 pixels by 4, which gets 257.25, then multiplying that by 8 (how many km long a battleship or battle barge would be), which gets 2058. Therefore, according to the Warzone Fenris canon art, the Rock in M41 would be approximately 2058 kilometers long, if not longer.
@@aguspuig6615 Yes, it also shoots black holes, has chrono-weaponry that causes enemy vessels to time travel 1 nanosecond into the past, colliding with themselves and thus telefragging themselves, training rooms large enough to simulate titans attacking cities, enough factories to rival a forge world, a fully sentient AI to control it, terraforming machines that are 10km in length. And complete STC database. Its stated (I think) that this is either a warship from the DAOT or a golden age humanity colony ship. Its also stated that the black hole canon was expected to only damage the vessels it was intended to be fired at.
Today, I learned that the Warcraft movie fandom is now up from 3 members to 4 members!!! The 3 being myself, my mum and my best friend blossom... welcome member 4 Tom's dad 😂😂
Tom is actually more correct than he thinks when he’s talking about necron tech being rooted in logic, with the necron drives effectively working as an Alcubierre drive which was speculated by a real physicist and it works in a very similar way of contracting space time behind you to move you forward
We're just gonna glaze over Samdman saying "ALFRED the Great's horse" 😂😂😂. Unironically a really great Warhammerism, like the himalzayan mountains lol. (Love yah Sandman)
31:44 The point is that you can't break the laws of physics. The Necrons appear to break them, but in truth their technology twists and bends them to suit their needs. The laws aren't broken if I've twisted them into a balloon animal.
Yeah, think about all the space they don’t need to waste on sleeping quarters, restrooms, showers, kitchens, food storage, plumbing, manufactorums, etc.
High Kahl’s Oath certainly isn’t as memetic as things like Infinite & Divine or Brutal Kunnin’, but it’s a nice view into the stakes and internal lives of Kin living within a kindred.
On a casual walk about 1.6 km it might take me about 20-30 mins just walking imagine how long it takes a 20km vessel imagine being summoned and it's like get to the main deck immediately and it takes you nearly 7 hours later you get there
It must be noted that the necron and tau FTL has been radically retconned multiple times, the last time at the end of 9th. Necrons currently have ftl about as good as imperial warp travel. Tau currently perform short but full warp transitions.
Nitpicky correction, no one said that, though? They said if you flew on a plane at regular height (35,000ft), you'd be roughly half way up a Gloriana-class ship?
One Krieger (singular) A few Krieger (multiple) Why? Because the Death Korp of Krieg is German, the World os named after the German word for War and in the German Language the Singular and Multiple of the word Krieger (warrior) is Krieger. Example: Ein Krieger hat diese Schlacht für uns Gewonnen. Another Example: Mehrere Krieger haben für uns diese Schlacht Gewonnen. So please, stop saying Kriegers, you are just Butchering my Beautiful Language. And yes I am A Deutscher (German)!
![Simple Methods, Easy Results - Painting Krieg 158th Siege Regiment [How I Paint Things]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YREc2toy230/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks for having me guys! Also loving how awesome my logo looks!
Looks good! Love the content, man!
Caitlyn Clarke
@Gerardbutleromg of course! That was bugging me for ages
Sandman making a Kaitlyn Clark reference to a bunch of needs! 🤣 That awkward pause was classic. Great chat guys!
05:50
Fun fact: Sigvald the Magnificent, champion of Slaanesh, has a company of bodyguards called the Mirror Guard, who carry polished silver shields so Sigvald can always admire his reflection.
Another day of asking where is red, I miss him
He's stepped down for the foreseeable future, as announced in the Discord
Wait what, why?
@wernerfuhry Personal reasons that were not elaborated on. The part from the post discussing it:
"Hey everyone, as some of you might have noticed, on Monday the 2nd of December Red left the server, stepping down from the podcast for the foreseeable future due to personal reasons. It saddens us greatly to see him leave, but we equally hope this will give him the time to find himself again in his own time and his own space. Until then, we hope to see him again soon and wish him nothing but the best."
@@Radium_Alarie oh damn I see. Thank you for the answer and information. I hope he's getting well and takes the time he needs.
Headcanons for the sizes of massive Imperial ships
Gloriana-class Battleship (this part is obvious enough but some people don't really get it) - has a minimum length of 12km (Eternal Crusader) and as long as 28km (Invincible Reason)
Bucephalus - 39km
Imperator Somnium - 50km (I don't believe it was continent-sized, even if it's canon.)
The Rock - 100km in height (that cool artwork makes me think that the Rock is just the fortress-monastery sitting atop some large continental crust from what was left of Caliban, with the crust facing forward like a dagger.)
The Phalanx - 1,500 km in diameter (moon-sized)
The Speranza (AdMech Ark Mechanicus) - 2,100 km in length (launching this ship destroyed the planet it was constructed upon lol)
For the Glorianas, they always seem more of a greater typing or title rather than a single definite class, due to the sheer diversity in tonnage they can have. It can be assumed that there was once a single STC template for a Gloriana-class, but it was then modified as the users saw fit and components of the design were used on other ships.
For example, massive ships like the Invincible Reason, which was in many ways a Gundam-style "super prototype" given a bunch of archaeotech goodies by order of the Emperor. The size of the Invincible Reason is actually unclear, as the quote of 28 km is specifucally of the length of the htand processional hallway, which even if it spanned most of the ship's length, there would be some of the frontal prow that was ahead of it, as well as the giant ramming spike and some of the rear engine divider fin.
Then there's the Vengeful Spirit, which as specifically called a "Scylla-pattern" and was massive, with Garro mentioning that its main side lances (which would be the length of the main hull between the armored prow and the engine area) was twice the size of the Endurance, which was Mortarion's Gloriana. The Vengeful Spirit would get EVEN BIGGER during the Heresy, as it would add a massive extended Chaos-style prow on top of ots existing one, as well as a giant armor cowling on top of yhe rear engines. For reference, compare this image of the Pre-Heresy VS: static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a0/The_Vengeful_Spirit.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150209004009 and this one of it during the Siege of Terra: i.pinimg.com/736x/e1/fb/06/e1fb067e6ce12b77288c48ff672c7632.jpg
The fact that it was called a Scylla PATTERN implied that it wasn't the only one of its kind, which would later be confirmed with the introduction of the Magna Tyranis, the second 16th Legion Gloriana that was used as Abaddon's flagship during the Heresy.
The Eternal Crusader being a Gloriana while being as small as it is is actually due to it being retconned as one. It was originally emvisioned as just the flagship of the Black Templars, a battle barge but bigger (10km as opposed to the 5km that Imperial battleships were in the earlier editions), but then the Heresy books mentioned that the original Gloriana used by the Fists had the same name, which was most likely done as a nice little reference to something in 40K. They just forgot to change the specs of the ship in 40k to make that align better to modeen lore, so now there's apparently a Gloriana that's only 10 km long, which is barely bigger than stabdard battleships.
As for the Imperator Somnium, my headcanon is that it definitely would have started out as relatively smaller in the supership size (50-ish km like you say) and would have kept on expanding and growing as the Imperium grew and more and more tech and resources were encountered and aquired by it, especially any form of spicy archaeotech or Warp-related systems that the Emperor would have wanted for himself.
With the Rock, I actually tried to calculate an approximate size of the visual seen in the Warzone Fenris art, with it appearing from the warp with a swarm of battleships and battle barges. First thing I did was go to paint and select the entire thing as best as I could. Then, I rotated it until it was approximately parallel horizontally to the screen. I then measured how many pixels it was from stem to stern. The version of the image I used got me a result of 1029 pixels long.
The next step was to scale it to the battleships around it. The art makes this easy, as literally all the ships around the Rock are either battle barges, or Retribution-class battleships. Modern sources of 40K state that these ships are approximately 8 km in length.
With that in mind, the next step is to find the smallest ship on screen that could be seen in front of the Rock and not behind it. The best way to do this is to look close and see if the little specks that are the ships are mostly black when surrounded by the colorful Warp energies abd weather parterns of the Rock, meaning they are in front of it, or if they are tinted, which means they are behind it.
The snallest ship I could definitely say was in front of the Rock using this metric was 4 pixels in length.
So it's a simple equation of dividing 1029 pixels by 4, which gets 257.25, then multiplying that by 8 (how many km long a battleship or battle barge would be), which gets 2058.
Therefore, according to the Warzone Fenris canon art, the Rock in M41 would be approximately 2058 kilometers long, if not longer.
Wait the Mechanicus casually have an Ark Mechanicus twice the size of the Phalanx?
@@aguspuig6615 Yes, it also shoots black holes, has chrono-weaponry that causes enemy vessels to time travel 1 nanosecond into the past, colliding with themselves and thus telefragging themselves, training rooms large enough to simulate titans attacking cities, enough factories to rival a forge world, a fully sentient AI to control it, terraforming machines that are 10km in length.
And complete STC database.
Its stated (I think) that this is either a warship from the DAOT or a golden age humanity colony ship.
Its also stated that the black hole canon was expected to only damage the vessels it was intended to be fired at.
Today, I learned that the Warcraft movie fandom is now up from 3 members to 4 members!!! The 3 being myself, my mum and my best friend blossom... welcome member 4 Tom's dad 😂😂
Okay, but what if Big E's 3rd flagship is ACTUALLY THE IMPERIAL PALACE!!!??
Imagine parts of Terra breaking off and the Sanctum Imperialis being the bridge of that huge chunk of a spaceship
Oh this gonna be good, hell yeah!
Tom is actually more correct than he thinks when he’s talking about necron tech being rooted in logic, with the necron drives effectively working as an Alcubierre drive which was speculated by a real physicist and it works in a very similar way of contracting space time behind you to move you forward
This is how I learn that Sandman's name is Edd...
I want to ask him if he's the Vaults of Terra guy, because his name was also Edd. If you go back to those videos, they sound very similar
45:53 would absolutely love a book about Primaris successors of the Astral Knights trying to live up to their inheritance
1:12:00 What?! The black library is a legit place in 40k? I genuinely thought it was just GW book store lol
We're just gonna glaze over Samdman saying "ALFRED the Great's horse" 😂😂😂.
Unironically a really great Warhammerism, like the himalzayan mountains lol.
(Love yah Sandman)
To be fair, Alfred the Great is an historical Anglo-Saxon king from the late 9th century AD...but yeah, very much not the same person, haha
How to make homebrew imperial guard regiment when?
I love y'all's content so much it is really nice to have some more mainstream tabletop content I wonder if they would do a video on trench crusade
I would love to see the Warhammer 40k ships as cute space ship girls
Okay but like low key? I would LOVE to have 1 or 2 marine models that size to paint and have as little statues to show off my homebrew colours
31:44 The point is that you can't break the laws of physics. The Necrons appear to break them, but in truth their technology twists and bends them to suit their needs. The laws aren't broken if I've twisted them into a balloon animal.
Was hoping I'd get to hear about the Iron Warrior's Gloriana class ship. Oh well. Great content anyway.
@11:40 boy you really don't want to know what happened to Arthas...bro got disenchanted...
cant wait to hear what cracked shit comes from this episode and if it willl surpass K A B U N G A
Happy holidays 🤘🔥👍❤️
I need to read up on warp drives because that necron drive is sounding awfully familiar.
Sandman, Merry Christmas.
47:30 Necron ships are smaller because they know they are packing they dont need to compensate.
Yeah, think about all the space they don’t need to waste on sleeping quarters, restrooms, showers, kitchens, food storage, plumbing, manufactorums, etc.
Would love an entire episode on all the Gloriana ships and their fates
Ooooo baby this is gonna be spice
No way colab with two of my most favorite creators?
High Kahl’s Oath certainly isn’t as memetic as things like Infinite & Divine or Brutal Kunnin’, but it’s a nice view into the stakes and internal lives of Kin living within a kindred.
Is anybody else getting really worried about where "Red" has been all this time? I wish mercy to people of the nation where "Red" Resides.
CSO class supercarrier is still bigger than a Gloriana lololol
I thought... It was... Spaceships...
Nay, not space ships and not crack houses. Crack ships. Welcome to the setting
On a casual walk about 1.6 km it might take me about 20-30 mins just walking imagine how long it takes a 20km vessel imagine being summoned and it's like get to the main deck immediately and it takes you nearly 7 hours later you get there
It must be noted that the necron and tau FTL has been radically retconned multiple times, the last time at the end of 9th.
Necrons currently have ftl about as good as imperial warp travel.
Tau currently perform short but full warp transitions.
Did you know that the dark angels have 3 gloriana ships, and the ad mech have a ship the size of a continent called the Speranza.
are there any details or lore on the chapter that tom's marine-tuber is from? I love the colour scheme
@Skollshorties THEY MENTION WARCRAFT ORCS!!!!!
1:14:10 Ah yes, the Genestealers rediscover the archaeotech known as Bob Semples.
I thought Draik merged with the Blackstone Fortress in the omnibus.
Caitlin Clark
Unreasonably nitpicky correction, space is generally accepted to be anything over the karman line so over 100km, so 20km is still in atmosphere.
Forgot the "☝🤓" sir
Nitpicky correction, no one said that, though?
They said if you flew on a plane at regular height (35,000ft), you'd be roughly half way up a Gloriana-class ship?
@danielmorgan6793 "20 kilometers when put upwards into the sky the prow is literally poking into space" 21:20
@@yopoxikeweapescai9066 Damn I knew i was forgetting something lol
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27:09 is that a dude?
I still don’t know, it’s more common and harder to tell online
There's no mention anywhere online of what they are, but I have my suspicions.
@@TeamOneDay anybody who uses discord so much is at risk of grooming into such, their behaviors have always been slightly off to me.
@@wesleyeberly228
Yeah I immediately turned off the show when they introduced themselves, something felt off. Haven't watched since.
@@TeamOneDay yeah I can’t listen to a podcast where they pretend that’s normal
One Krieger (singular)
A few Krieger (multiple)
Why? Because the Death Korp of Krieg is German, the World os named after the German word for War and in the German Language the Singular and Multiple of the word Krieger (warrior) is Krieger.
Example:
Ein Krieger hat diese Schlacht für uns Gewonnen.
Another Example:
Mehrere Krieger haben für uns diese Schlacht Gewonnen.
So please, stop saying Kriegers, you are just Butchering my Beautiful Language.
And yes I am A Deutscher (German)!
Alright