BEN HOGAN'S LOWER BODY WORK
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Christo it's all about the lower body....this is by far the key to everything.
I was taught by an elderly pro who was a contemporary of Hogan's and used to watch his practice sessions post-war when he was stationed in Port Arthur TX by driving to somewhere in the Houston area on Monday's to observe Mr. Hogan. He said, one particular Monday, Mr. Hogan motioned he and his friend over and asked if they liked egg salad sandwiches and offered them one. But, the point here, is that I was taught by a gentleman, who himself has since passed away, that Hogan kept his right knee still during the backswing and when it moved he took it straight at the target. At least that's how it was described to me and , in fact, it was absolutely necessary to Hogan to keep it looking right down at the target line so as to not sway or slide off the ball. I was further taught to initiate the downswing with the right knee but it wasn't working till this video talked about rotating the hips back in line first. Thanks guys. Brian
Great analysis of Hogan's swing! No one mentions footwork today but before technology blessed Tiger woods and company with 50+ extra yards, players of the past like Tommy Bolt, Dick Mayer, Tony Lema and loads of others relied on their footwork - they believed that if the feet performed their job the swing would take care of itself so they constantly checked their footwork. I share your enthusiasm for Hogan's swing, by far the best of all time.
Hogan stated in the 5 Fundamentals that the feeling he wanted on the downswing was that someone was gripping his belt buckle and pulling it toward the target. The default of that is spinning your hips through impact and breaking the pane of glass with arms and shoulders. He finished with his stomach towards the target. This continued to work even after his horrific car-bus crash when his left leg was never the same. His legs just went along for the ride attested by his quiet right foot through impact.
Hey Christo, thanks for your analysis on lower body work which is I've been working. This is WHAT I needed.
It's like a delayed lateral motion with a massive turn and snap as the club moves at and past the ball. Beautiful.
great analysis on the legs of the master ! i enjoyed the lesson and slow mo's.. good content here.. he has such amazing lag
Ct Pham Great CT! I think his legs give him lag. They used to call it the delayed hit!
What is paramount in all of his swings is the activation of the powerful erector spinae muscles during the shift to the front side. It is very noticeable on his "long drive" swings due to the rear foot drag.
I have been playing for 40 years first for my country New Zealand as a junior then as an amateur
I turned pro and played the Australasian and South Pacific tours but with little success
I’ve always been a student of the game and some of your challenges are very familiar with my journey
The combination of hands with a body orientated swing has always been a work in progress until lately
More specifically the clearance and open position of the body at impact with the arms staying close to the body, working left without throwing the arms and club out with right arm straightening
This is how hogan did it
The arms which are attached to the club are attached to the upper chest
Therefore the late dramatic opening effect that hogan had came from, hip height on the way down, the release of the hands, forearms then the upper body left shoulder catching up and taking the club through to your finish
The hands and then the upper body open up the the lower body
From the top you drive down the right leg hands fall out in front so they have separation and make room, right forearm and elbow must have maximum rotation still available and the shaft all though well in front approaches from 4.30, club head way behind you, flat shallow allowing the upper body to remain closed and still loaded with something to give at the release
Body tilt created hands now can work back into us and way left because our hands and arms were so far out in front of us
Any sliding or pushing forward or up, hip turn, on the first half of down swing will only cause a stuck can’t open up stand up appearance
Hands shallow in front of us body closed and body tilt, driving down the right leg, full rotation and range left with right elbow and forearm
then the release of hands will open up body as they work back into our body then the body takes over and carries hands to the finish
Every great player did this in their own personal style and look
That’s it
Regards Saali 61 21 237 7177
Good illustrations of the lower body of Mr. Hogan. My hunch is that he relaxed his right knee through impact causing it to tilt and move extremely fast towards the target. Since the right knee cap is so relaxed coupled with his fast follow through up causes the lifting and pulling up the right side up, which in turns causes the wrinkles we see in his pants. Most of us do the opposite by tightening the right knee cap through impact. I think that was one of his secrets.
Hassan El-Kara Great observation.
Interesting discussion. After all these years there’s still debate about his swing. It seems to me the first move is the right hip goes down allowing him to push off the ground while simultaneously starting the left hip to turn. The right knee then has to follow and is a result vs the catalyst.
Enjoy your work. The right knee does not BLAST towards the ball. The left side is PULLING the torso around and th knee has to come in as a result. If his right side starts to dominate the downswing, that causes the early release. (his comment about wishing he had 3 right hands was his decoy. He went to all the trouble of explaing how right hand merely holds the club.
I completely agree with you furthermore i think that much coming from the right side is a power leak. The right knee might go towards the ball but its a follower not a leader. Lag comes from a pulling sensation. You are turning hard to the left. I think extreme emphasis on leading swing action from the right can inadvertently get people to develop reverse pivots which is one of the worst moves in golf.
You mentioned the "waterfall" move, and then moved on without much more to say about it. One of the keys to Hogan's excellent pivot action is that he re-centers/shifts left with his left knee still flexed. This keeps his pelvis angled "downwards," and starts to place pressure on the inside to the left foot, i.e., into the ground; eventually, this sets up the equal of opposite "automatic" release courtesy of terra firma! This movement pattern is evident in all great ball strikers. Flat, overturning hips produce all manner of golfing errors!
That's a great point. Have you looked at Tommy Bolt's swing?
I think what’s also important to talk about is his grip and where he put his feet for each club.
Len There’s a lot to talk about for sure!
Love the work you are doing the right knee is being pulled around no push of the right knee .If you take your diver and hold it upside down with the left hand go as far back as comfortable then rotate left knee .left hip,left shoulder as quick as you can the swish sound will be well past where the ball is and this motion when done correctly the right foot is dragged forward a good 6 inches like hogan.greg Norman is the only golfer I can think of who did this.pete Cowan sought of demonstrates 'this in 'how to swing the club,it is hogans speed with his left side turning that causes this.
tommy armour, in "play your best golf all the time," stated that the right knee should turn towards the target. he though, said the move should start the downswing. but he was wrong on both counts. the right leg does not kick thru that way. but it is evident, from studying hogan's swing, the right knee should kick thru when we get in the hitting area. and it was, also, notable how hogan's right arm and right knee fired thru in perfect synchronicity. the tightness in the left groin, which hogan alluded to in his 1948 letter, bumps the legs thru into the hitting area. and that is where the right knee comes in.
Great analysis....BUT, where I have problems, and I think many hi handicap players have problems is coordination and timing of the lower body movements with the down swing. And I think part of that is with moving the hips forward toward the target instead of turning the hips. THIS IS where I think most weekend warriors need the most help! What do you think? Have you addressed this issue? IS IT an issue that should be pursued? I await your imput!!! Thank you!!! Jim Baran, Brown Deer,WI (come play golf with me at Brown Deer Golf Course sometime!!!
Jim Baran Hi Jim, it’s my experience that if I don’t shift my weight to my forward leg, I can’t clear my hips. I shift first, then turn.
hogan was a huge fan of ted williams the legs have a similar motion as him too. looking at moe normans swing has similar leg motion too and he explains the move too
the right leg did straighten as it should which puts the tail bone over top of the ball and that allows for a solid transition to strike down on the ball, all good players straighten the right leg, perfect example is Steve Elkington!! keep up the great work!!
To be fluid you must bow your body using feet and hands as points of fixation
Love your site ,could you please play the swing with the golf clubs in the background at start of video in slow motion on repeat as this is one of his best don’t know the year or the place but love to know if pre accident
Hogan's secret is easy to see - it's in the way he uses his lower body to transition the club into the downswing. You can see Hogan's transition style in both Tiger's and Rory's swings, and they both do it beautifully.
It might be interesting to do a video comparing the lower body action of Hogan with that of Snead. They both take a big hip turn on a tilted plane on the backswing, but their lower body action is very different on the downswing.
That's a great idea.
as good as Snead was, he wasn't close to the ball striker Hogan was. Snead "threw" the club at the ball. Had great hands, and he was able to manipulate the club.
Might it be case of cause and effect with the right knee? Where the rapid hard clearing of the left hip (cause) pulls the right knee through (effect). He may have felt that the right knee was working in a particular way but in reality the bigger factor was the clearing of the hips.
Marcus Johnson Perhaps, but you’ll always see his knees kiss in the follow through. That tells me it’s active rather than passive.
I think it would be beneficial to see the right hip as the source and the knee as the indicator. To expand on your pitcher delivering on the mound, the pitcher opening snaps through from the pitchers trailing hip rather than from the knee.
Dynamite point. Hal Sutton said his key was hit right hip!!!
The key to Mr. Hogan’s lower body’s movements is the fact that both his knees are bent INWAR at address. The right one slightly more than the left. He said that himself in his book (5 lessons...) The right knee never straightens in the back swing preventing the hips from overturning and ready for the push by the right foot on the down swing. He likes to keep things moving as a chain reaction (small move leading to a bigger mover and so on until reaching maximum club speed at impact)
After reading most of the comments, you have it right, both knees pointing inward at address.
This video is a bit old, but recently my back has been hurting after every game. And my coach lives and breathes Ben hogan and has been getting me to watch and read about him, my question. From the top of the back swing what should I feel or do first from here. Left knee out? Left heel into the ground! I’m not sure !
👍gr8 observations 🧐🏌🏽♂️😲 on R-knee... superb 💪🏼 😁😷
I think its the anther way around, the moment of the rigth leg is a conseqvens of the movment in the left leg. He just fålls into the left leg to load it like a pitcher or javelin and then revers the force that moving forward by straithening the left leg and presses the left hip upward and backward. The last movment of the right knee is just becauce the left hip.....
Anders Nilsson, I fully agree with you.
The lateral movement, the weight shift from the right to the left leg and also the “posted” left leg are extremely important.
When the left leg is "posted" in the golf swing the leg stretches to it's fully extension which causes the left hip to rotate. The left side is leading the rotation which is caused by the stretching of the posted left leg and also by the shifted weight. The right hip and leg then follows the rotation.
Of course the right leg and knee are supporting the lower body action in the downswing. It's important that the right leg and knee keep the gained tension created in the backswing and transform it to a rotational force in the left hip, caused by the lateral movement and the posted left leg and the stretching of the left knee. This is of course also very important, else it will be problems with early extension. But however - it's not the right knee which is driving the golf swing.
This is also very well described here for example: ruclips.net/video/vu51ZN_q8xE/видео.html.
Also when comparing with other sports as handboll, tennis etc the right knee is not the most important part of the body action.
Christo, you need to measure the r/knee in relation to the r/hip. Also, is the r/knee cap turning towards the ball because of hip rotation pulling it? Or because it is driving the rotation?
I wonder the same
Also, what is the difference between Mike Austins r/knee and Hogans in your mind?
5:51 looks similar to Lee Trevino coming into the ball.
good stuff thx !!
Thank you, Fairway Jack.
Great video Christo. Hats off to you for all the work you have done! I'm really having trouble with the squat position. Too quick with the hips and leave my arms behind - result are those yucky push/cuts.
Hey, Mike, I looked at a couple of your swings. Good action, but I think the push cuts are coming from you having your center of gravity too far back. You're really loading right and not getting all the way back left.
myswingevolution Thanks so much for your feedback Christo, that's really helpful.
The reason his foot is DRAGGING is it has NO PRESSURE on the right side, so the left side is pulling the foot away from it's spot. Whenever the right side engages, it forces the early release. You're doing an awesome job, though.
Same with Greg Norman and others. The right foot gets dragged through and backwards slightly
Marcus Johnson Excellent!
Marcus Johnson Norman loves to open up that right foot so he could get a deeper turn. And that’ll guarantee the foot drag.
Well, compare my swing - spikes on cement (to add difficulty) hitting driver at age 65 with yours...or even Hogan at a similar age swinging spikes on grass...
good observations on wrinkles on pants. i m amazed @ low R shoulder & head during impact.. in other words, R side bend
Hogan had Elvis 🕺 legs at impact! So you think his right knee has forced forward by following the right hip? Or that he is conscious about moving his knee and the bend at address is the cause for it pointing and running at the ball?
Christo,
Do you think there are any special accommodations in modern equipment that
should be made to support a Hogan-esque swing; and have you made any?
Since the vast majority of golfers, pro and amateur, have a shaft angle
that points to their chest or shoulders at impact and most have an
emphasis on arm and wrist leverage as opposed to body rotation with
connection to the torso, it would make sense that modern clubs are
biased toward that type of swing.
For example, lie angle and shaft length. The deep hips, right arm
connection to the hip and the shallow shaft angle at impact and the
around the body type swing would seem to be amenable to a lower lie
angle and possibly a slightly longer shaft.
I also thought that perhaps a slightly heavier club would be an advantage
to the Hogan swing. Because the Hogan swing puts more emphasis on the
large muscles of the body which would be slowed down less by a heavy
club than the small muscles of the arms and wrists that are emphasized
by arm swingers, the Hogan swing can accommodate a heavier club.
This would produce more momentum into the ball.
It seems to me that the Hogan-esque swing, all other things being equal,
would produce a slower club head speed but can produce as much momentum
into the ball because there is more "effective" mass coming into the
ball due to the strong connection of the arms/hands/club to the massive
torso - think of those "3 right hands". And of course if the club head
were heavier that would also increase momentum into the ball.
My only trepidation about a heavier club would be the required forearm strength
to supinate the forearms through impact. Anecdotally, I think Hogan had
very strong forearms - it shows in some of those old photos and I recall
what Ted Williams said about shaking hands with Ben Hogan.
Anyway, I would be interested in your thoughts. Oh, then there is that extra
spike in Hogans shoe and Jackie Burke's claim that Hogan had massive
calves.
Mr. Hogan's driver was the heaviest ever played in competition from what I've heard, about 16 ounces and his lie angles are flat. He hit the ball as far as anyone in his day. I return the club to the shaft plane, but my arms aren't as long as Mr. Hogan's so my lie angles are 1 degree flat.
Hey, have loved your videos since the start. Could you possibly make your mouse curser more visible as it is tough to see on a phone.
Yes, that is a good idea. I'll look into that!
I was one of his doc's at the end
Did he talk about golf at all? You would have some interesting insights. You should get in contact with Christo.
You mention at times, that he "squats down" through the swing. It really appears that he actually "sits down", as the gap between the legs also widens, prior to contact.
Been working on this for 5 yrs-this secret is the lower body.
I'm pretty sure the first swing from Power Golf was proven to be in 1946 to very early 1947, not 1948, based on publishing timelines which put these swings as pre-secret and pre-his best golf. Still a great swing but if his lower body work didn't change from swings pre and post secret I think that either means it wasn't his actual secret or he was pulling everyone's chain.
Ben H It is my understanding Hogan had his "aha" moment in 1945 while in the service. He was swinging in the moonlight. Then he took the Secret into play in 1946 and won his first major. He won over 30 PGA events from 1946 to 1949. He was doing something right IMHO.
No disagreement there. He was doing things right as far back as 1940 - winning 15 times from 1940-42 is nothing to sneeze at. Having done lots of Hogan research and study as well, I have my own opinions on what he believed were key to his success. I just can't reconcile Vazquez's secret with Hogan's timelines as his leg work really didn't change much post his working with Picard excepting the necessary changes brought on by the crash.
But as all us Hogan fans know, its all just educated speculation. Telling different people about different 'secrets' it wouldnt surprise me to learn that he also changed timelines. As you mention, he was playing great golf in 46', but then says that he discovered the secret in 47' and plays his best in 48-49'. Perhaps he had his 'aha' moment in 45 as you say, but then had a second 'aha' in 47' - so that when he tells different 'secrets', they are all actually applicable as he had multiple.
There's a book by Michael Mcteigue called the Keys to the effortless golf swing. He talks about driving the right knee at the ball. I've taken lessons where they tell that's wrong lol that you want to turn the hips toward the target not drive knee towards ball. So do believe that a good thought is drive right knee towards the ball?
I think it's misunderstood. Imagine feeling your rear knee moving through the ball towards the target, NOT at the ball and out towards right field.
myswingevolution how is your knee moving though when the ball is outside of the knee
@@MiracleSwingExperience his knees are both pointing inward at address, he makes that plane in his book, and he definitely wanted his right knee flexed throughout the stroke maintaining that you have to come through the ball from inside the ball target line.
Didn't your coach say that you dont want rear knee leading hips too early, gets hips stuck??
The secret is easy to see if you know where to look...hidden meaning...if you, the golfer, know where to look, whilst hitting the ball.
Opposite. Everything opposite. That would be some cryptic Ben Hogan stuff if "the secret is easy to see if you know where to look" was some sort of double entendre. Shawn Clement touched on this in a way.
Still think that the left knee goes really early and the right knee hangs back that fraction of a second. Otherwise if he threw all his power from the start, he'd stall and the club face would over rotate and close.
I have the same thouth, I think the movment of his right leg is just a conseqvens of what he are doing whith the left leg. By raiseing his left leg and press the hip up and backward.... that is what givs power....not the movment of the right leg.....so was glad to se your comment...
Doesn't have a palm grip. Very much in fingers. And with his grip he could pull with left side as hard as he wanted and still eliminated the left side of the fairways. Although they swing differently Hogan and Bob Jones were two of the best golf swings ever
His whole body is simply reacting to the swinging of the club. That accounts for the sublime leg movement and late hit that only Hogan and Trevino had, why only they had free swings they could control at will. No manipulation, no timing required.
Wow you had said in previous videos that Hogan swung the club with his knees and this video in super slow motion proves that he powered his right knee even more once his club shaft was parallel to the ground. With the impeccable timing this requires to do; it is little wonder he was one of the greatest golfers in the world. But hey; it is little wonder that you are the greatest teacher of the world on You Tube.
the idea of turning the right knee towards the ball in the start of the downswing, would be nothing new. tommy armour teaches this method in: "play your best golf all the time" - not that it works. armour, also, said that good golf, and good footwork, start from the ground up. this has been interpreted to mean that the right foot must make a movement up off the ground; but it is more likely that he was making a cryptic reference to fact that when any pressure is asserted onto the ground it is met with an equal and opposite resistance. but, with reference to the right knee, obviously there is no need to actively do anything with the right leg in the start of that downswing. if the angle of the right leg increases in the backswing the right thigh will drive thru and this will move right knee into a position where the left side of the knee can drive thru towards the target in the hitting area. obviously there are other factors involved. hogan said that the left hip should turn to the left on the way down; and, that momentum created should ensure that you initiate your left side. and, this opened up the debate as to whether a player should, or shouldn't, actively initiate there left side in the start of the downswing. but, in reality, there should be no conscious effort to either initiate the left side or turn the left hip. is there one simple thing that a player can do to both initiate their left leg and rotate the their left hip in the downswing? Of course there is.
i think its his hip turning
Is it true that he added a cleat or spike to his right show for added grip?
Yes, after the accident. I've seen his golf shoes up close. Right under the ball of the right foot.
Interesting
Al geigberger pointed his knees down the target at address!
6:53 is what needs to be watched. As he’s going through his backswing, he’s settling into his front leg in the backswing. He’s there a LOT sooner than you think. There is no backswing/downswing.
Actually 7:11 shows it best.
He's there fast but I wouldn't say he's Stack & Tilt. What do you think, Jarrett? Somewhere close but not quite?
Well, stack and tilt would be getting left and staying there. Hogan gets to his right side, but he’s off of it quick, moving in two directions at once in transition. For most of us, that would likely feel like a much quicker move left than we’re used to.
Christo, where did you find the very first swing of Ben in your video?
I've never seen this one and would like to locate the entire video - thanks!
Not sure what the title of it is but the whole swing is in the video above. There weren't more swings that I didn't show. Curiously, it looks like one of Mr. Hogan's easier swings I've ever seen. Like a little 3 quarter driver swing.
Great video Chris. I think the role of the right knee in starting the downswing is something that is rarely talked about in golf instruction but it is so important. Even Ben Hogan said in the Shell's Wonderful World of Golf video when he played Sam Snead, "The most important thing in the golf swing is what starts the swing from the top of the backswing. It stars with the lower body. With the knees and the hips." There's the secret right there. Also if you watch videos of Tiger on the range just watch his right knee. It is absolutely clear that he starts the downswing with his right knee moving down towards his left ankle. People may disagree with me, but that's what I see.
ruclips.net/video/YlVPWdNWRiM/видео.html
Oh oh, drank the kool-aid and deleted all my other golf channel subscriptions...cause this is the best!
Thanks, Roger! Welcome aboard!
you just simplified it driving the right knee towards the target blasting his right knee towards the target
Remember this; universal thought is for all of us and that will never change. So that is true. Personal thoughts are just for the person and are always changing. So never true. So, for your mental part; do not try to solve problems, but see how our system works. Cheerio buddy and have fun playing
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belt buckle
"The most important part of the swing is the movement of the lower body"......sounds like Hogan knew how to dance lol jk
Adam Martin He was known as a great dancer!
@@MiracleSwingExperience well, music back then was better than modern stuff. Was a different time.
With all that lag and leg drive, grip pressure and the upper body better be nice and relaxed or the ball is going dead right.