He was not dangerous. He was bipolar. People who are mentally sound still do things they wouldn't normally do when dealing with highly stressful situations just like when people not in said situations turn into judgmental clowns like you. @@chastinshanks7551
I have known dozens of people with mania and/or manic depression. None of them ever ran into an active jet turbine. This guy had a lot more going on, I’m guessing paranoid schizophrenia.
This is super weird and I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. From flying alone with mental illness to his dad’s shockingly cavalier approach to his sons tragic death…..it’s just very odd.
I’m quite sure you know people with bipolar disorder who do all kinds of things by themselves on a regular basis because if it’s managed it’s not something you can see in other people. He wasn’t a baby. He was a 30-year-old man. If he was that fragile he should not have been traveling by himself, but to act like people with bipolar disorder shouldn’t be traveling alone is ridiculous
People who have bipolar or schizophrenia should not be using pot. It is shown to cause psychosis, especially in young users. Self-medication is a double edged sword at best. RIP dude.
For Christ's sake, don't blame the security that they can't take care of your manic family member. If you knew he was this bad he shouldn't be traveling by himself.
Probably Mormon’s /LDS . They’ve got some strange ideas about death being happy . I’m Jewish by the way , so just going on what I know about the LDS . My late fiancé was LDS , and their family were extremely happy about her death. This truly shocked, and appalled me, because my late fiancé suffered a horrific death via a hit and run drugged & drunken driver. Very sad indeed .
I don’t think they were necessarily relieved in bad way. I think their relief was the fact their son , brother didn’t have to go through this mental illness anymore everyday and he was probably getting worse. He most likely everyday told his family he didn’t want to live anymore and was dealing with depression, and doing off the wall sh”” so those comments of course are going to not only make the family lose their minds but also revolve their everyday life around him and only him in making sure he is always ok and alive.. that really would take a toll on someone including family members..
It's disingenuous to blame this on a "lack of mental health training in law enforcement" when a core issue is the lack of understanding of mental health in the mental health profession.
Exactly, I think police go above and beyond in dealing with mental health problems. At some point it has to reflect back to the I individual who declined professional treatment and chose to self medicate. The sister said it herself " he was fragile" May he RIP
1000% the family is saying he was profiled..? Well if he was.. they would have been correct for profiling him as unstable which he was. However, I’m sure they are not allowed to profile anyone in this manner. Honestly, what was the family thinking sending him off on a trip like that with no assistance. Can families please be accountable. Here’s my probably unliked opinion- the kid has been mostly a nightmare to deal with now he pulls this stunt and that families like cook we don’t have to deal with him but we can sue.
Yea it's a sad story, but I don't think any mental healthcare professional would've been able to stop him from sprinting full speed on the tarmac towards a plane.
@@GoldenBurgerPup What are you thinking shaming a family that just lost a member in one of the most tragically inconceivable ways possible? Unbeknownst to you, mental "breaks" don't come on a planned & conveniently timed schedule. So you expect every family with a grown adult suffering bi-polar to chaperone and monitor them throughout every moment in life or it's *_their fault_* if the adult has a episode outside of their presence and something tragic occurs? Honestly... your comment is more shameful than anything that family did or as you assert, didn't do
I have bipolar disorder, and it's a bit more complicated than this. It's very hard for our family to know what to do. When we're grown men and we insist on certain liberties, it can be very difficult. You can't really force someone who is having a manic episode to do what you wish.
@ivanruiz2218 Thanks for helping me better understand. I always feel protective of people who are having disadvantages through no fault of their own. I really hope that you will benefit from anything you may be able to discover along the way, that can give you a beneficial advantage or new insights. We can become experts on our own situations so that over time, it can be like having an ally who is always with us. I hope that you will always find new and enjoyable ways that are able to help.
The neurodiverse are a protected group of people that EVERYONE has a responsibility to protect and not harm. Your amazement is based on presumptions I doubt you are qualified to make. Was it your intention to come across so judgemental?
I lost my mom to severe bipolar and I did everything for many years to help her…. Unfortunately these things happen don’t blame his family. Until you’ve gone through decades of dealing with a severe mental illness you cannot judge. My prayers to the family.
@@user-iu4wh1zs6t I’m not sure he went thru the turbines. There are a lot of details missing here. The Dad did seem proud that his son was a good runner though!
Illnesses like Bipolar tend to manifest right around or after puberty. If he was being bullied at that point in his life, his family definitely got confused about the cause-and-effect. Or, this runs in the family and they can’t admit that to themselves or others, so they blame the bullies.
bipolar is also a MAJOR contraindication for medical pot! NO WAY was he using "medical" stuff, it was street drugs if he actually had a bipolar diagnoses. Family said he refused professional care though due to bullying, so seems he had no diagnoses or management for anything. Family are just making excuses for not getting him the help he needed (and probably kinda now trying to reach out to stop others doing the same thing they did & losing a child because of it
Sounds like they’ve were coddling him for years, which is the type of thing that leads a grown adult to throw a fit in an airport. I know someone who is bipolar and is a self-made millionaire with a healthy family. Bipolar isn’t a death sentence but if your family coddles your BS it sure can be
probably knew something like this was going to happen and is relieved he no longer has to deal with it. sad but that happens when you have family with serious mental problems.
Some people take pain a lot differently then most… him chuckling talking about him was basically his way of bringing up memories of him and coping with the fact his son is really not here anymore.. sometimes when you hear bad news about a family member passing away you mourn and cry for hours and there are no tears left.. so being interviewed and remembering his son playing soccer and how him running on camera was nothing to him was a cope mechanism
Why are you judging someone’s entire process of grief through quick news clips? People like you are clearly uneducated and inexperienced with losing a loved one, or you’d know that grief doesn’t manifest itself the same way for everyone.
People are so delusional to think we should have people trained to deal with nutjobs just sitting around waiting for them to lose it. We used to have places for people like this that was full of professionals...........
uhhhhh you people are sick. Literal adult. Do you babysit all the adults with cluster B disorders in your family or are you just being evil and holding double standards to look good?
@bikeguyhd1035 If you have loved or cared for someone with a severe uncontrolled mental illness or drug addiction, you are prepared for the day they pass. You know its going to come. You suffer trying to help the person, wanting them to heal and get help. But they dont or cant, and the way the laws they cant be forced. Eventually, you become kind of numb about it, because your brain cant deal with the constant worry. So yeah, when it finally comes, it can feel kind of a relief. Youre sad and regretful, but you have mentally prepared yourself for this day. I know this from experience.
Jesus this family is clueless. People with mental illnesses do not need to travel alone and apparently they already knew he was “so fragile and at his breaking point” so you send him alone to one of the most stressful environments on the planet for neurotypicals and expect public services to help you out like what were they supposed to do to a stranger stripping and running onto an active taxiway shoot him In the back??
The family blames everyone but themselves. They want more mental health help, what is the airport suppose to do?. When you purchase airline tickets, a quick psych test should be given before boarding the plane.
yep. and I bet they start suing everyone also. They didn't really seem that broken up about it either considering it happened less than a week ago. @@jerryw5508
@@jerryw5508The family is not responsible for the behavior of a fully grown man. For all you know they tried for years to deal with the decreased person and gave up. Gross comment.
It’s so sad. My sympathies to his family. Expecting TSA and airline employees to be mental health experts is a bit much. If his family thought he was too sick to fly, they should have stopped him. Mental health problems don’t always present easily, and nobody can imagine somebody is going to strip naked and jump into a jet engine. Not everything in this world is somebody else’s responsibility to notice. Family and friends were the experts in this case.
@MetsterAnn very well said & so true! Thanks when so many other comments hav been so mean, judgmental or insensitive. His family deserves , however also does need to understand the reality of the entirety of this very sad& highly unusual occurrence. It is a VERY important learning experience for ALL airlines along with the public & mental health to learn from this. There is a CRISIS in our society with mental health. This isn’t new. It’s only growing & will only continue to grow until EVERYONE becomes involved & actually first believes mental health is even a disease. The future does not look bright for society…
I agree ! The family knew he had some mental issues, the behavior is beyond just being bipolar, I have diagnosed friends and they take medication, they would never throw themselves in a plane engine… the fact that they are blaming TsA for the stress that caused him to act like this, makes me think they are ready to file a lawsuit 🙄
@@kasun1752 That's so true! My sister is bipolar & I know what's really like. People always say that when it is in fact beyond bipolar. Is has become an excuse. That man clearly is suffering from a combo of mental health issues & never the responsibility of others but his family. They're just pointing fingers & that's not right.
Why was the son the only person traveling to see their dying grandfather? Why do the parents talk so nonchalantly about it as if they expected this... the sister is clearly a lot more messed up over the whole thing.
Because they did know something like this was a potential reality. The life expectancy for people with mental illness is about on par with someone his age. They've been watching him struggle since young adulthood. It isn't nonchalant, it's matter-of-fact.
@TeeOK1988At the airline level an engine can be unbolted between the pylon (support) and wing. _I.e._ the cowl is removed too. The engine cowl is removed when the engine is stripped down during an engine rebuild.
@@MoistSeagull It would be, but I would guess that the scene would be cleaned of substantial pieces by a dedicated clean-up crew (the people who clean up after catastrophic road accidents), and that the engine would then be hosed down (jet engines are _design_ to ingest very large volumes of water at very high speed) to remove blood and tissue fragments. At least I would hope so.
I initially disregarded this unfortunate accident. But when I heard he was trying to see his grandfather on his last hours, I was almost brought to tears. May he RIP.
He shouldn't have been traveling alone if the fam knew he was prone to such strong manic states, especially off or without meds in his system. Super sad. Also, never run anywhere on the tarmac of any airport, yikes.
Blaming someone? Hmm……family says high school bullies ‘triggered’ his manic episodes; BTW, the same bullies who told him he needed a mental health professional? Then, mom says he wouldn’t seek out help, because he believed getting help would validate what the bullies had told him. Family, knowing that high stress situations trigger his manic state, allow him to proceed with the trip to Denver. Finally, dad says there should be a better approach to security & law enforcement. Let’s back that up a few years when he began having mental health issues as a minor in high school, where the parents could have had him involuntarily hospitalized, diagnosed, and treated with appropriate mood stabilizers and therapy. Marijuana, smoked or taken as edibles, especially at higher doses, can produce a state of paranoia. Perhaps he entered this state of mind, coupled with the stress and mania surrounding the death of his grandfather, which led him to this fateful actions that took his life. Just imagine the horror the airline employees witnessed! They’ll never forget the images. Yeah, this young guy needed help in a big way, and he shouldn’t have been at the airport. Imagine what a flight would have been like if he was in full manic melt-down at 30,000 ft.
Your right on. Except he was swallowed up by the jet engine. He died from "something" because they tried to give him CPR. You wouldn't bother if he was chopped up by an engine. @@probablynot1368
He was an adult, not a child. Family or not, you can't force an adult to listen to you if you know they're about to make a bad choice. And the reality of modern life is that everyone has their own responsibilities and commitments to take care of. If your loved one decides to spontaneously drop everything and go on a trip, most people don't have the capacity or resources to immediately take time off work and spend a bunch of money to babysit them.
Interesting! So, despite being aware of his conditions, his usage of a sort of medication that is illegal under certain circumstances, and that he could have a manic episode, as his own father described, despite all that, his family led him fly by himself without any companion and now they “want to check the surveillance videos”? Next /“step, find a lawyer to suit TSA, SLC airport and police to, who knows, be “compensated”?
Well actually yes. People can sue for anything. Doesn't mean they will win. Why was the mental case traveling alone? Family seems to have no accountability for their own son.@@EmmaDaisy
That's a very good question and you're right about key codes etc. I worked with Delta at SLC many years ago. You've got to wear ID and security IDs at all times. I still know a few of the mechanics that work there. Some of the best former co-workers I've ever had. I'm no longer on Facebook where I could ask them personally.
has to be emergency doors for fire escapes. They are alarmed & alarm activated when this guy went though them & security needed to respond to that. Not actually difficult for people to get onto the tarmac though, only difficult to do it without triggering alarms. Was another case about a month ago at Canberra airport Australia (Canberra is the capital city in Australia, location of parliament & all political & embassies etc so if there's security anywhere, you'd expect it there). Same thing happened there, person missed their flight while high on pot & so went through the emergency exit & onto the tarmac & tried to board a plane, via the engine. In that case, they chose Qantas, who have a huge focus on keeping their 100+ years of flying without a fatality record, so pilot saw what was happening & shut off the engine before anyone died & eventually security figured out they needed to follow through the emergency door & catch the person, but took them quite some time to actually do so, as they're not used to people going through emergency doors & really didn't know how to respond. Ended up with the federal police being called to the airport & actually arresting the person after security failed to get them, due to their slow response. Plenty of other cases too where people have gone through emergency doors at airports with varying results
I hope he sees these comments so he can realize the people of the Internet see right through his lies. Definitely part of the root cause of the problem
@@moretrash4youcould just be that they share the genetics for susceptibility to this condition, it's not necessarily that the father did anything to cause the disorder in the son.
The guy wasn’t killed, this was a suicide.. The family can blame TSA for *allegedly profiling* him, but the truth of the matter is “the guy was nuts”.. Don’t blame grammas health, don’t blame getting on an airplane, don’t blame airport security, don’t blame what happened 15 years ago in high school, blame the suicidal guy..!! The father says they need more trained professionals, well why didn’t they get him help ? They should stop blaming the outside world, and focus on the problem which was their son.
@@youwebznah, YOU don’t get it. If you have a history of mental disorder, then you should not doing ANYTHING by yourself, especially severe mental health issues
Why is everything someone else's fault? We're taking care of those in our families. Kyle shouldn't have been alone? Was he on drugs? Running from someone? Mentally ill? Demanding narcissist? Violent? Crazy? Etc. No one was around. He was running around, determined to get out, somehow. Can you imagine him being on a plane? Nobody's job is to be all things to all people. It can be downright dangerous. His family knew he had serious problems, appears, something like this may've been inevitable. Pot is helpful for a lot of things, but, this man's issues were more severe. May he find peace with his grandpa. Sorry, family's dealing with two tragedies.
Manic bipolar will take a massive toll on the families of the individuals who have it. I’ve seen this before, with families feeling like a weight has been taken off of their shoulders when their manic bipolar child ends up in forced care of a mental hospital or in jail.
Yes this is very typical of a family under lots of pressure with someone extremely mentally or physically taxing. Relief is the fist wave of emotion, and grief comes lingering afterwards. (The grief can even be prolonged or exasperated by feeling guilty about the relief.)
If you knew he has mental health issues why would you tell him news that would potentially trigger him before his flight? Also, why didn't a family member fly with him? Why is it the airports responsibility to provide mental health experts? Why didn't you express to him the importance of seeking help and hire someone to fly with him? Sounds like a lot of blame is being placed where it doesn't belong.
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but there may be some relief on the family's part. I have an extended family member that has extremely bad bipolar disorder, delusions, talks to herself, and can be violent. If somebody walks by her two times in the grocery store, then they're following her. Any man that nods or smiles in regular life is trying to rape her. It is utterly exhausting to have to deal with. My family has spent 1000's of dollars trying to keep her off the street and safe. She has been hospitalized many times but in this day and age it takes a lot for an involuntary commitment. She has been in the hospital for long and short periods countless times and she gets better and does well. She has been jailed many times due to extreme behaviors. But as soon as she gets out, she stops taking her medicine and then there's a rapid decline. It is often a hopeless situation. My family has tried to put her in different programs or help her get apartments. But she gets kicked out due to her extreme behavior. And she badly damages houses and apartments. She is now on the street due to MH, alcohol use and failed housing attempts. The family likely had already prepared themselves for the worst. Give them a break.
The family just want to sue the airport. No blame on the man who could've crashed an airliner by his reckless actions. If he was that unstable he shouldn't have been travelling alone.
So let me get this straight, they bullied him by telling him that he needed professional help… which everyone later said would have basically saved his life possibly… what is the world we are living in….
Yes, that bullying statement is odd. Who wasn't bullied in grade school, high school, etc. It doesn't make us manic. Young men in their late teenage years, early 20s will start to show signs of bi-polar or Schizophrenia. That seems like his story.
@@creativegirl9710 Well... Usually kids that bully, are the victims of abusive parents. Not everyone has abusive parents... So, being bullied at school, and at home... That's a goddam nightmare that doesn't happen to everyone.
No, you clearly did not get it straight. You act like they were kind and caring and hoping that he got help and got better. But he was different and they used that phrase to put him down. So either you were a bully and are being disingenuous, or you are really, really ignorant.
Kyler was a manic depressive with bipolar disorder.......and his out of control behavior at the airport suggests he was NOT taking his meds. I have a family member with both disorders and they are relatively "normal" when on her meds. Off her meds, she is a complete and utter disaster. People with MD and PD often start to believe they dont need their meds anymore and randomly stop taking them, then this happens.
manic depression is the old name for the condition now called bipolar. Both are exactly the same thing, not 2 seperate conditoins. Sounds like this guy didn't have any formal diagnoses for anything though, let alone proper medication prescribed to treat his problems
@@mehere8038he did have a formal diagnosis, they specified that in the video. They said he was no compliant with treatment bc he felt like it was letting the circumstances they believe caused the bipolar “win”.
@@Sarah-ic4yu they also claimed he was on "medical" weed & refused to see a professional. Clearly they were just making up whatever they thought would gain them sympathy. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest there was actually any formal diagnoses!
Things can happen even if they are taking medications as prescribed, if they are under a lot of stress. It’s not a cure all. It’s not always the Ill person’s fault.
@@mehere8038 "Though living with a bipolar diagnosis for more than a decade brought many challenges" - from Park Record obituary. Just in case someone decides that a RUclips comment is much more reliable than what the family member of the deceased attests to.
Yeah, un-medicated bi-polar. I have the same brother. I feel for his family as this is very typical & you are helpless when they are a full grown adult.
The reason I don't want to take meds is I enjoy creating things, making things, I want to turn that into my career, it's all I have to look forward to in life. I'll never have a spouse, or kids, or very many friends, I just want a career that makes me happy to give me a reason to wake up in the morning. I fear if I take meds, I'll lose the creative edge I do desire, and end up in some 9 to 5 I hate, at which point, I'll just end things anyways. I succeed, or I die, there is no option C in my mind.
@@themidnighttavern6784 yeah I kinda understand. but maybe some meds might be of use in the short to medium term until you get a better handle of things. you're creativity will always be there
@@AndyPat239 I don't know man, I already have a very, very hard time motivating myself to do things. It's bad enough to the point where I view suicide as my best option long term, because it makes me question how I'd ever be able to have a happy and successful life. I might try medication, I don't know if there's mild medication or there that helps bi-polar individuals become more productive or something. I just feel like my brain is some piece of junk decades old car that once you fix one issue, another pops up, and it just never stops. In other words, my brain is like the Kia Rio my family used to own 🤣.
If you don't know what meds might be available, you probably need to see a professional or at least find some stories of creative people who fight the same thing and see what has worked for them.
Cannot imagine the flight crew, the passengers, and the ground crew who witnessed this horrific event. I worked in aviation for over 15 years. Anyone going near a running jet engine made me nervous.
Come on family.....why would you turn this guy loose on the airport police if you knew he was hard to deal with??? Some personal responsibility is missing in our society.
Father sounds like he's happy about his son's passing. Like he doesn't have to deal with him anymore. So sad to see his father smiling while describing how his son died. Terrible.
You have zero idea what it’s like to deal with a family member like that lol. If my mom passed I’d feel relieved as well as then I’d know I no longer have to fear the call he just got.
@@jupeter24 You are the one lacking empathy. Dealing with severly mentally ill people, you know one day they will pass and more than likely young. grow up before you judge people.
Wait, security at the airport is now supposed to be mental health therapists? Give me a break. We’ll never get a Flight Attendant through security if that was the case.
They all seem so shockingly calm and dare I say almost like this was just any old situation that was bound to happen? Is it just me? May he rest in peace.
Legitimate question here… The guy strips down naked, runs through security doors onto the tarmac and has all the time to access the planes engine, which I’m sure isn’t easy, to get in and die?? Wouldn’t and shouldn’t there have been all kinds of security personal chasing after him? I’d imagine someone could’ve easily got to him and tracked him down before he accessed a major airlines plane engine, no? Maybe I’ve watched too many Bruce Willis movies….
almost identical event happened at Canberra airport Australia recently, but passengers filmed it from the terminal. You can go watch that one if you want to, woman is standing there on the tarmac kinda trying to flag down her plane as it taxies into position for take off. Seems she's confused "taxi" meaning in planes lol. Security apparently didn't know what to do, cause they're not used to people going through the emergency doors & I think were probably worried for their own lives if they followed her onto the tarmac of an active airport. Federal police ended up being called in to catch & arrest that one (also with pot in her pocket)
@@goll58 Here’s what I do know... *Mother:* “He always thought by *not getting professional help* he wasn’t validating those bullying claims” *Father:* “Just seek your professional medication, seek your professional therapist, and I think *if he had done that* he could’ve been fine”. After his diagnosis he should’ve figured out that, bullying or not, those kids were right. By choosing not to follow up on his medication or checkups, only to avoid “validating” the bullies, he chose not to get better.
@@goll58 I also know that telling someone with mental issues that they need professional help isn’t bullying, it’s life-saving advice, I’d like to know what they did to be considered bullies, an example, because I haven’t heard a reason to believe their intentions weren’t good yet.
@@goll58 family also said he was on "medical pot" which he absolutely was NOT if he had a bipolar diagnoses! They also said he REFUSED professional help, due to the bullies, so seems pretty obvious the family have just made up the diagnoses based on dr goggle's assessment of his symptoms. Family no doubt just think bipolar sounds better than psychosis
1) "Manic" is when you're crazily happy and excited. 2) Are we sure the "bullies" weren't trying to get through to him? He did need professional help. That was good advice.
@@boycott2720 I dunno he might be right. Someone told me I looked like a f*g for the way I was dressed in elementary school. He was right. Maybe he was just trying to help me out.
@@thecaptainsnark Yeah, clearly you have never worked with teenagers and kids. Plus, saying the parents are lying in this situation is both mean and a reach. And no, no one who uses language that is derogatory is helping you. He was putting you down. Now if he had taken time and explained the entire concept to you, and the pros and cons of the way you dressed, I would agree with you. But just calling you that name meant he was trying to hurt you.
and apparently he never sort professional help because it would have been a "win for the bullies" & as such, we have no idea what he actually had, bipolar seems to be self diagnoses. Note, medical pot is NEVER prescribed for bipolar, as it can trigger psychotic breaks in those people!
This family is bonkers-no wonder this guy was messed up. If he was "SO FRAGILE" it's their fault they allowed him to travel alone. Why would it be the airport, security and EVERYONE else's responsibility to control and out of control NAKED man (I'm gonna go out on a limb & say ...who's likely on drugs) bolting in an airport and HIDING in an airplane engine.
I have known dozens of people with mania and/or manic depression. None of them ever ran into an active jet turbine. This guy had a lot more going on, I’m guessing paranoid schizophrenia.
I'm sorry for Kyler because his family seems unfazed by his death...and I know people grieve differently but all of them have spoken so calmy about this that it doesn't surprise me that they let him fly on his own knowing that he was unwell because of his grandad and his stressful flying is. My heart breaks for him.
What are they going to do lock him in a room? When people consistently act crazy their parents prepare for this emotionally and when it happens they just remember them fondly.
@@willissudweeks1050 not lock him up, he wasn't a criminal. I meant maybe build a relationship with him where he would have respect for an elder like dad or mom. my uncle Paxi had very severe mental health issues and even as an adult (with a kid and wife) when he had a big MH crisis he respected our grandad Lewis so much that he was the only one he would listen to without question. He felt safe and protected when our grandad was with him. I'm sure if he had a crisis like his my grandfather would've flown with him to anywhere he went because he knew it was a triggering situation. I wish his family would've been more caring and not allow him to fly alone. These people didn't seem to care all that much
My sympathies to the family. Dealing with bi-polar disorder isn't fun, I was mis- diagnosed for a time as just having depression. What would make it difficult is entering those manic phases, because I didn't really understand them at the time, meant my depression was improving. It's just this up and down roller coaster that's hard to manage.
I didn’t get diagnosed til like two years ago I’m 26 it was anxiety and depression and nothing worked it wasn’t just that having an episode sucks and stress makes it worse I told my husband god forbid I get arrested tell them I’m bipolar any mental illness that’s hard to treat is tough thousands of meds out there could take u twenty years to find the right ones
Yup, the family is setting up all the typical blame game talking points... bullying, and now the airports need mental health experts on patrol 24/7. Ask them what role they play in helping their family member? It's always outside forces.
OKI this is sad but don't know if it's just me on here. But this news report doesn't really say how he died. They just said he climbed into an engine. And then they said he ran down the tarmac naked. But they don't say was the engine running. Or did the engine start? And they didn't know he was in it. The pilot, what exactly in detail happened?
So sorry for the family. Flying for a “normal” person today is so stressful. Many years ago I flew to see my dad who was die in the hospital. A very stressful time.
@@SDsimplelife : I worked in group homes with adults that had different levels of schizophrenia and other mental health issues. What I learned was us so called “normal “ people can be on the fence line and it doesn’t take much to fall to one side. One person had Asperger’s syndrome. Very interesting.
So I guess you have no clue what putting quotations around a word means. On another note, no bi-polar can't happen to anyone at anytime, you have to have that disorder.@@SDsimplelife
If he walked in front of an engine that was running he would have been pulled into the engine. He probably wouldnt have been able to get away from it. A running engine pulls an IMMENSE amount of air into the engine when its running.
They knew he was diagnosed manic/depressive, under increased stress and taking an unaccompanied flight, but no one was concerned that he could take the trip - was he on meds? Was he taking them? How’d he get unfettered access onto the tarmac, etc? Did he have life insurance and/or assets? If so, who benefits from his demise…? So many ?s
For whatever reason, someone had taken the luggage that he inexplicably left at the entry gate counter, just before he went running around the terminal barefoot. You can see in the video when he returns to the gate, that he is questioning someone about his carry-on baggage being missing, then he seems to panic, and that it may have inadvertently been placed on that aircraft. Why he left it there in the first place is almost as baffling as to why he ran onto the tarmac after the plane and got sucked in or climbed into the engine. It's more likely that he was sucked in.
He wasn't sucked in, engine not on. They tried to give him CPR. I saw where he left his bag at the gate and turned around and ran off. That right there is a red flag for me. Security should be called immediately for that. We don't know from the snippet of the videos. But that bag would NOT be put on the plane. I worked for Delta for many years including time at SLC. Even before 9/11 if someone checked a bag and then turned around and went outside the airport we called security asap. Of course you think of a bomb and you treat it as such.
Wait, hold up. Bullies usually torment victims, they don't offer them life advice. His "bullies" encouraged him to seek help, and thus live a happier, healthier life? Yeahhh, no. Sorry for their loss, but those were not bullies. They were clearly right that he needed help.
Teenagers telling another teen they need help is not them giving “life advice.” These weren’t his friends. Such a comment by the bullies would have had a similar impact as being told on social media that “you must be off your meds” by someone who disagrees with a post, only _much worse_ because these jerks weren’t anonymous trolls, but people he had to see every day IRL.
@@HumbumHumbum yeh probably, but at that age, parents still have a responsibility to be caring for their kids & clearly something was wrong. Parents should have taken him to a shrink for "support and help dealing with the bullies" & let the shrink take it from there
@mehere8038 yeah true. But people are gross cunts and like to make others feel bad because they're uncomfortable with their inability to understand someone else
We’re NEVER going to have “enough professional help” to be able to stop everyone from having mental breakdowns at any given time. This man had plenty of family. If he was THAT mentally fragile, he should not have been traveling alone.
They don't seem very broken up about it... Any of em. Kinda seems like they don't even care. If they knew he needed help like that, Why tf did they allow him to travel alone? Seems like they were more worried about their lives and the things they want to do as opposed to making sure this poor guy didn't hurt himself. They're probably glad he's gone and they don't have to deal with him anymore.
Something seems up with the family, like they knew but don't want to take any responsibility. Why wouldn't they have gotten him help if they knew (as the sister said) that he was extremely fragile
My ex of 6 years had bipolar mania. He is now in prison serving a 35 year sentence for going on a full rage of wanting to harm those around him including myself. One out of the 3 of us did not survive. No one understands the danger of bipolar mania and especially when drugs play a part. Unfortunately my ex was using marijuana and Meth which led up the events occuring. I tried for years to get him help and still always stayed by his side because I loved him. You cant not blame the family for the way are being because im sure they tried helping their son but thing is you can not control a person with bipolar!!!! you tend to loose control in the midst of things because they are so uncontrollable. Their minds, even being on prescriptions, are in 20million different places. Stress will trigger, but most of all the drugs will play a huge part in loosing total control and not realizing what they are doing or whats happening to them. Like myself it took a whole year for me to grasp onto things and what had happened to have any feeling towards it. I was more shocked and angry in the beginning than anything...I didnt show any emotion till the trial took place having to relive moments.
For those who are blaming his family for allowing him to travel alone, firstly this was an adult, not a child! Secondly, they may well have been with the dying grandparent! It is entirely possible that they had no idea he planned to fly to see his grandfather - the sister said she received a call in the middle of the night. The real issue is the failure of support for those with mental health issues! Many end up living on the streets, this man clearly had a loving family and a home - which is more than many with mental health problems have! I do agree that there needs to be training to look for the signs of someone who is in a manic episode/ psychotic break - especially in places like airports! There would have been signs and it is so sad that this man has lost his life, thank goodness he never hurt anyone. I feel so bad for the first responders who were on scene afterwards. This would have been extremely traumatic.
Mental health does need to be a part of police and security, but if he had issues like this, it’s also on family to ensure he’s not traveling alone and unsafe.
The dad and family have been dealing with it for probably the son's whole life. Are they supposed to cry and wail about it when the camera crew shows up? Some families are very dysfunctional, too. I feel bad for the investigators and technicians that had to clean it up.
There are no reports the engine was on. He crawled inside the engine compartment of a plane that was stationary and being de-iced. He was found in one piece, narcan and CPR were administered. The aircraft was towed back to the gates where everyone disembarked. Cause of death unknown, could be the de-icing substance or if the engine was idling slow enough that he wasn’t chopped into pieces, he could have suffocated from the vacuum effect. Other causes could be drugs, hypothermia.
If he was willing to jump into a jet engine then I'd say the TSA's concerns were pretty accurate.
You give the TSA clowns credit they have never earned, nor deserved.
Don't know can't say, I was not there.
@@Look_What_I_DidI’d rather have strict ridiculous security, than fly with a potentially dangerous person.
He was not dangerous. He was bipolar. People who are mentally sound still do things they wouldn't normally do when dealing with highly stressful situations just like when people not in said situations turn into judgmental clowns like you. @@chastinshanks7551
@@chastinshanks7551true
Dad acts like he knew something like this was coming. He might have been trying to keep his son alive his entire adult life.
Very stressful life for a parent. Constant fear.
I have known dozens of people with mania and/or manic depression. None of them ever ran into an active jet turbine. This guy had a lot more going on, I’m guessing paranoid schizophrenia.
@@poollife777----- You really just completely and totally made up every part of your comment.
@@poollife777 Some people are just broken. The only thing money does is enrich the therapists.
bad thought process, he refused professional help as said.@@poollife777
This is super weird and I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. From flying alone with mental illness to his dad’s shockingly cavalier approach to his sons tragic death…..it’s just very odd.
His dad is messed up
It sure is
I’m quite sure you know people with bipolar disorder who do all kinds of things by themselves on a regular basis because if it’s managed it’s not something you can see in other people. He wasn’t a baby. He was a 30-year-old man. If he was that fragile he should not have been traveling by himself, but to act like people with bipolar disorder shouldn’t be traveling alone is ridiculous
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Grieving is a odd process stop judging
People who have bipolar or schizophrenia should not be using pot. It is shown to cause psychosis, especially in young users. Self-medication is a double edged sword at best. RIP dude.
Every individual is different, and many people with bipolar or schizophrenia do well with cannabis
I agree! I've seen it in my tenant ! He's goes psycho on pot and not his meds.
@tamara people with schizoid tendencies should not use pot, this is well established
They don’t want to believe you. They think marijuana improves everything.
@SicSemperMortemTyrannis It does not cause schizophrenia, it can trigger latent schizophrenia.
For Christ's sake, don't blame the security that they can't take care of your manic family member. If you knew he was this bad he shouldn't be traveling by himself.
Exactly
Agree
Probably want to sue
Probably Mormon’s /LDS . They’ve got some strange ideas about death being happy . I’m Jewish by the way , so just going on what I know about the LDS . My late fiancé was LDS , and their family were extremely happy about her death. This truly shocked, and appalled me, because my late fiancé suffered a horrific death via a hit and run drugged & drunken driver. Very sad indeed .
Well then the family would have to accept some responsibility...
The people interviewed seem very odd.
Too.much crazy messing with your life.
Agreed
borderlines
Was it just me or did the dad almost seem to half laugh when he was talking about his son running out there? Almost as if he were telling a joke.
@@jazmin2222 Dad's life has definitely been less stressful since the boy hopped into the ole boeing woodchipper
so, dad giggled at the way his son died and then blamed security? 😮
Mental Illness is hereditary his dad surely has something as well.
You know people handle death differently, right?
why not when all tht's about to be exchanged for life insurance payment
Dad is sketchy. He hurt him.
Fam seems relieved
I don’t think they were necessarily relieved in bad way. I think their relief was the fact their son , brother didn’t have to go through this mental illness anymore everyday and he was probably getting worse. He most likely everyday told his family he didn’t want to live anymore and was dealing with depression, and doing off the wall sh”” so those comments of course are going to not only make the family lose their minds but also revolve their everyday life around him and only him in making sure he is always ok and alive.. that really would take a toll on someone including family members..
That insurance $ has a very calming effect.
It's disingenuous to blame this on a "lack of mental health training in law enforcement" when a core issue is the lack of understanding of mental health in the mental health profession.
Exactly, I think police go above and beyond in dealing with mental health problems. At some point it has to reflect back to the I individual who declined professional treatment and chose to self medicate. The sister said it herself " he was fragile" May he RIP
1000% the family is saying he was profiled..? Well if he was.. they would have been correct for profiling him as unstable which he was. However, I’m sure they are not allowed to profile anyone in this manner. Honestly, what was the family thinking sending him off on a trip like that with no assistance. Can families please be accountable. Here’s my probably unliked opinion- the kid has been mostly a nightmare to deal with now he pulls this stunt and that families like cook we don’t have to deal with him but we can sue.
Yea it's a sad story, but I don't think any mental healthcare professional would've been able to stop him from sprinting full speed on the tarmac towards a plane.
Mental health help is a fine balance and expensive. Often difficult with insurance Companies
@@GoldenBurgerPup What are you thinking shaming a family that just lost a member in one of the most tragically inconceivable ways possible?
Unbeknownst to you, mental "breaks" don't come on a planned & conveniently timed schedule.
So you expect every family with a grown adult suffering bi-polar to chaperone and monitor them throughout every moment in life or it's *_their fault_* if the adult has a episode outside of their presence and something tragic occurs?
Honestly... your comment is more shameful than anything that family did or as you assert, didn't do
I am amazed that he was traveling
alone. His family seems well aware of his problems.
Maybe they were happy to get a few days with him out of the house.
I have bipolar disorder, and it's a bit more complicated than this. It's very hard for our family to know what to do. When we're grown men and we insist on certain liberties, it can be very difficult. You can't really force someone who is having a manic episode to do what you wish.
@ivanruiz2218 Thanks for helping me better understand. I always feel protective of people who are having disadvantages through no fault of their own. I really hope that you will benefit from anything you may be able to discover along the way, that can give you a beneficial advantage or new insights. We can become experts on our own situations so that over time, it can be like having an ally who is always with us. I hope that you will always find new and enjoyable ways that are able to help.
The neurodiverse are a protected group of people that EVERYONE has a responsibility to protect and not harm. Your amazement is based on presumptions I doubt you are qualified to make. Was it your intention to come across so judgemental?
@@austindarrenorI hope karma bestows on you what you deserve for that comment.
I lost my mom to severe bipolar and I did everything for many years to help her…. Unfortunately these things happen don’t blame his family. Until you’ve gone through decades of dealing with a severe mental illness you cannot judge. My prayers to the family.
doesn't even sound like this family got their son help when he was a teen & started showing signs taht something was seriously wrong though!
Exactly people without can NEVER truly understand no matter how bad they wanna it's just the way it is.
@@mehere8038even with treatment, he shouldn't have been traveling alone because of his history, sadly. Manic episode come without announcement.
@@mehere8038 this is just one reason why the stigma of mental illness is so dangerous!
i'm sorry
The Dad doesn’t seem too surprised by his actions.
He looks like he wants to say "See, I was right!" He probably made a joke about how much cheaper his funeral would be without a whole body to bury.
@@user-iu4wh1zs6t I’m not sure he went thru the turbines. There are a lot of details missing here. The Dad did seem proud that his son was a good runner though!
Pitiful dad.
Bullying triggers bi polar disorder?
His family sounds dumb.
Illnesses like Bipolar tend to manifest right around or after puberty. If he was being bullied at that point in his life, his family definitely got confused about the cause-and-effect. Or, this runs in the family and they can’t admit that to themselves or others, so they blame the bullies.
bipolar is also a MAJOR contraindication for medical pot! NO WAY was he using "medical" stuff, it was street drugs if he actually had a bipolar diagnoses. Family said he refused professional care though due to bullying, so seems he had no diagnoses or management for anything. Family are just making excuses for not getting him the help he needed (and probably kinda now trying to reach out to stop others doing the same thing they did & losing a child because of it
Sounds like they’ve were coddling him for years, which is the type of thing that leads a grown adult to throw a fit in an airport. I know someone who is bipolar and is a self-made millionaire with a healthy family. Bipolar isn’t a death sentence but if your family coddles your BS it sure can be
@@internetperson9121society coddles men
They are dumb, they're Utahns
Kyler's father looks very happy talking about the way his son died. Creepy.
probably knew something like this was going to happen and is relieved he no longer has to deal with it. sad but that happens when you have family with serious mental problems.
Some people take pain a lot differently then most… him chuckling talking about him was basically his way of bringing up memories of him and coping with the fact his son is really not here anymore.. sometimes when you hear bad news about a family member passing away you mourn and cry for hours and there are no tears left.. so being interviewed and remembering his son playing soccer and how him running on camera was nothing to him was a cope mechanism
He was possibly taking antidepressants.
*IT sounds more like a psychotic episode rather than a manic episode*
Yes, I agree.
Definitely sounds like he was experiencing the symptoms of psychosis.
Potato tomato
Most likely manic psychosis with his history of bipolar disorder
@@orange3203 I think it's potato - french fries
Was nobody else in the family worried enough about grandpa to go too?
probably went at different times
You can’t force an adult to do something he doesn’t want to do.
@@DeenaMilkers Also there's no indication they all live in the same place, it's possible he was somewhere else.
Why are these people talking so calm?
Probably all medicated to the gills
Why are you judging someone’s entire process of grief through quick news clips? People like you are clearly uneducated and inexperienced with losing a loved one, or you’d know that grief doesn’t manifest itself the same way for everyone.
People are so delusional to think we should have people trained to deal with nutjobs just sitting around waiting for them to lose it. We used to have places for people like this that was full of professionals...........
It’s a failure on the family’s part and yes they seem very delusional by these interviews
The father’s attitude tells part of the story here…
yeah. like why was he traveling alone if he was so fragile mentally.
Yep he seems to be relieved and don’t have to worry about it anymore
Doesn’t look like a grieving father or family. Not even one moment of chocking up or anything. Seems off…
uhhhhh you people are sick. Literal adult.
Do you babysit all the adults with cluster B disorders in your family or are you just being evil and holding double standards to look good?
@bikeguyhd1035
If you have loved or cared for someone with a severe uncontrolled mental illness or drug addiction, you are prepared for the day they pass. You know its going to come. You suffer trying to help the person, wanting them to heal and get help. But they dont or cant, and the way the laws they cant be forced. Eventually, you become kind of numb about it, because your brain cant deal with the constant worry. So yeah, when it finally comes, it can feel kind of a relief. Youre sad and regretful, but you have mentally prepared yourself for this day.
I know this from experience.
Jesus this family is clueless. People with mental illnesses do not need to travel alone and apparently they already knew he was “so fragile and at his breaking point” so you send him alone to one of the most stressful environments on the planet for neurotypicals and expect public services to help you out like what were they supposed to do to a stranger stripping and running onto an active taxiway shoot him
In the back??
The family blames everyone but themselves. They want more mental health help, what is the airport suppose to do?. When you purchase airline tickets, a quick psych test should be given before boarding the plane.
yep. and I bet they start suing everyone also. They didn't really seem that broken up about it either considering it happened less than a week ago. @@jerryw5508
We need state hospitals opened up again. You pay now or you pay later. These people are walking the streets!
Ooh brother, it’s his own fault.
@@jerryw5508The family is not responsible for the behavior of a fully grown man. For all you know they tried for years to deal with the decreased person and gave up. Gross comment.
It’s so sad. My sympathies to his family.
Expecting TSA and airline employees to be mental health experts is a bit much. If his family thought he was too sick to fly, they should have stopped him. Mental health problems don’t always present easily, and nobody can imagine somebody is going to strip naked and jump into a jet engine.
Not everything in this world is somebody else’s responsibility to notice. Family and friends were the experts in this case.
@MetsterAnn very well said & so true! Thanks when so many other comments hav been so mean, judgmental or insensitive. His family deserves , however also does need to understand the reality of the entirety of this very sad& highly unusual occurrence. It is a VERY important learning experience for ALL airlines along with the public & mental health to learn from this. There is a CRISIS in our society with mental health. This isn’t new. It’s only growing & will only continue to grow until EVERYONE becomes involved & actually first believes mental health is even a disease. The future does not look bright for society…
I agree ! The family knew he had some mental issues, the behavior is beyond just being bipolar, I have diagnosed friends and they take medication, they would never throw themselves in a plane engine… the fact that they are blaming TsA for the stress that caused him to act like this, makes me think they are ready to file a lawsuit 🙄
@@kasun1752 That's so true! My sister is bipolar & I know what's really like. People always say that when it is in fact beyond bipolar. Is has become an excuse. That man clearly is suffering from a combo of mental health issues & never the responsibility of others but his family. They're just pointing fingers & that's not right.
His family was totally at fault
They want to blame everyone but him and their own parenting
Why was the son the only person traveling to see their dying grandfather?
Why do the parents talk so nonchalantly about it as if they expected this... the sister is clearly a lot more messed up over the whole thing.
I agree. The dad seems ecstatic.
They probably did expect this, they’ve probably seen him in manic episodes before. What’s the big deal about it?
Because they did know something like this was a potential reality. The life expectancy for people with mental illness is about on par with someone his age. They've been watching him struggle since young adulthood. It isn't nonchalant, it's matter-of-fact.
The SOB doesn't have to deal with it anymore. He's gone.@@HowieHoward-ti3dx
I feel sorry for the mechanics that had to service the engine.
No problem. That engine got replaced, not serviced. Carry on.
I feel for everyone involved in the situation 😔
@TeeOK1988At the airline level an engine can be unbolted between the pylon (support) and wing. _I.e._ the cowl is removed too.
The engine cowl is removed when the engine is stripped down during an engine rebuild.
Having to remove the engine from the pylon with human remains ingested would be heartbreaking :(
@@MoistSeagull It would be, but I would guess that the scene would be cleaned of substantial pieces by a dedicated clean-up crew (the people who clean up after catastrophic road accidents), and that the engine would then be hosed down (jet engines are _design_ to ingest very large volumes of water at very high speed) to remove blood and tissue fragments. At least I would hope so.
Family claims no responsibility, unbelievable
$$$$$
What was his family supposed to do? keep him locked at home or babysit him at all times in the off chance he might go loony?
His dad was so calm describing how his son died
Perhaps estranged and or desensitized to his behavior from past experiences
calm? more like giddy
You can tell the dad is more than likely the cause of his sons issues
father enjoying the moment, lol.
Funny how everyone's here an expert in how people should feel. As if we've all gone through this.
I initially disregarded this unfortunate accident. But when I heard he was trying to see his grandfather on his last hours, I was almost brought to tears. May he RIP.
I mean most people who are traveling have a really good reason to be doing so.
Ummm if he wanted to see his granddad he would have stayed alive for it. Stop it.
He shouldn't have been traveling alone if the fam knew he was prone to such strong manic states, especially off or without meds in his system. Super sad. Also, never run anywhere on the tarmac of any airport, yikes.
Way to go, Internet rando, immediately jump to blaming somebody. You'll fit right in.
Blaming someone? Hmm……family says high school bullies ‘triggered’ his manic episodes; BTW, the same bullies who told him he needed a mental health professional? Then, mom says he wouldn’t seek out help, because he believed getting help would validate what the bullies had told him. Family, knowing that high stress situations trigger his manic state, allow him to proceed with the trip to Denver. Finally, dad says there should be a better approach to security & law enforcement. Let’s back that up a few years when he began having mental health issues as a minor in high school, where the parents could have had him involuntarily hospitalized, diagnosed, and treated with appropriate mood stabilizers and therapy. Marijuana, smoked or taken as edibles, especially at higher doses, can produce a state of paranoia. Perhaps he entered this state of mind, coupled with the stress and mania surrounding the death of his grandfather, which led him to this fateful actions that took his life. Just imagine the horror the airline employees witnessed! They’ll never forget the images. Yeah, this young guy needed help in a big way, and he shouldn’t have been at the airport. Imagine what a flight would have been like if he was in full manic melt-down at 30,000 ft.
Your right on. Except he was swallowed up by the jet engine. He died from "something" because they tried to give him CPR. You wouldn't bother if he was chopped up by an engine. @@probablynot1368
He was an adult, not a child. Family or not, you can't force an adult to listen to you if you know they're about to make a bad choice. And the reality of modern life is that everyone has their own responsibilities and commitments to take care of. If your loved one decides to spontaneously drop everything and go on a trip, most people don't have the capacity or resources to immediately take time off work and spend a bunch of money to babysit them.
@@rico993 Quite right. This generation expects the world to be an extended daycare.
Interesting! So, despite being aware of his conditions, his usage of a sort of medication that is illegal under certain circumstances, and that he could have a manic episode, as his own father described, despite all that, his family led him fly by himself without any companion and now they “want to check the surveillance videos”? Next /“step, find a lawyer to suit TSA, SLC airport and police to, who knows, be “compensated”?
Stop judging, please!
@@tl1533Bruh talking about best practices is NOT judgmental what the actual f
They seem like the type of Karens to even sue the engine manufactures or the pilots on the plane. no self-responsibility or accountability at all.
What can they sue for exactly? Not babysitting their 30yr old son?
Well actually yes. People can sue for anything. Doesn't mean they will win. Why was the mental case traveling alone? Family seems to have no accountability for their own son.@@EmmaDaisy
How do you get onto the tarmac of a major airport? You have to have keycodes or passcards to open any doors in a airport that is not for public use.
That's a very good question and you're right about key codes etc. I worked with Delta at SLC many years ago. You've got to wear ID and security IDs at all times. I still know a few of the mechanics that work there. Some of the best former co-workers I've ever had. I'm no longer on Facebook where I could ask them personally.
has to be emergency doors for fire escapes. They are alarmed & alarm activated when this guy went though them & security needed to respond to that. Not actually difficult for people to get onto the tarmac though, only difficult to do it without triggering alarms. Was another case about a month ago at Canberra airport Australia (Canberra is the capital city in Australia, location of parliament & all political & embassies etc so if there's security anywhere, you'd expect it there). Same thing happened there, person missed their flight while high on pot & so went through the emergency exit & onto the tarmac & tried to board a plane, via the engine. In that case, they chose Qantas, who have a huge focus on keeping their 100+ years of flying without a fatality record, so pilot saw what was happening & shut off the engine before anyone died & eventually security figured out they needed to follow through the emergency door & catch the person, but took them quite some time to actually do so, as they're not used to people going through emergency doors & really didn't know how to respond. Ended up with the federal police being called to the airport & actually arresting the person after security failed to get them, due to their slow response. Plenty of other cases too where people have gone through emergency doors at airports with varying results
This troubled young man should have been in a psychiatric facility, not checking into an airport alone. I find this family's comments disturbing.
Totally! He sounds dangerous when off meds.
The dad... something very odd there.
Yeah doesn't seem affected by it
He knows his troubled son has some peace now.
apple, tree, not far
I hope he sees these comments so he can realize the people of the Internet see right through his lies. Definitely part of the root cause of the problem
@@moretrash4youcould just be that they share the genetics for susceptibility to this condition, it's not necessarily that the father did anything to cause the disorder in the son.
Rip,but to say he was profiled and try to blame it on the airport is ridiculous. It’s tragic but there’s no lawsuit to be made here.
The family thinks if he gets the help from trained mental health specialist, the outcome would have been different. It could happen to you or anyone.
Profiling happens, even to white men. Rather especially to white men in this day and age.
no lawsuit here ???...this is america....they will find one , you can bet on that one !!
It’s always somebody else’s fault and everyone’s a victim.
You assume that never in history has anyone been unjustly profiled. @@Dbodell8000
The guy wasn’t killed, this was a suicide.. The family can blame TSA for *allegedly profiling* him, but the truth of the matter is “the guy was nuts”.. Don’t blame grammas health, don’t blame getting on an airplane, don’t blame airport security, don’t blame what happened 15 years ago in high school, blame the suicidal guy..!! The father says they need more trained professionals, well why didn’t they get him help ? They should stop blaming the outside world, and focus on the problem which was their son.
Agree
If this guy was SO mental, why was he traveling by himself?
You just don’t get it do you?
@@youwebznah, YOU don’t get it. If you have a history of mental disorder, then you should not doing ANYTHING by yourself, especially severe mental health issues
@@youwebz No, I don’t get it. If he’s as unstable as his family described, he shouldn’t be allowed to travel by himself.
@@youwebz seems like you don’t get it
He was a grown adult. He’s permitted to travel and go about as he pleased. Stop blaming the family
Why is everything someone else's fault? We're taking care of those in our families. Kyle shouldn't have been alone? Was he on drugs? Running from someone? Mentally ill? Demanding narcissist? Violent? Crazy? Etc. No one was around. He was running around, determined to get out, somehow. Can you imagine him being on a plane? Nobody's job is to be all things to all people. It can be downright dangerous. His family knew he had serious problems, appears, something like this may've been inevitable. Pot is helpful for a lot of things, but, this man's issues were more severe. May he find peace with his grandpa. Sorry, family's dealing with two tragedies.
Pot makes you worse! I had a tenant that wasBP and started doing pot. He became a homicidal maniac.
The father didn’t look or sound to upset.
That father gives me the creeps. He seems joyous to lose his son in that horrible manner.
Grief affects people in strange ways, he was probably just trying to remember a time when his son was happy playing football.
Manic bipolar will take a massive toll on the families of the individuals who have it. I’ve seen this before, with families feeling like a weight has been taken off of their shoulders when their manic bipolar child ends up in forced care of a mental hospital or in jail.
@@tony9146 The ones that are manic bipolar are usually relieved to be in the hospital to get away from the people who are "effected" by them.
Millions of people die this way, how was he supposed to act?
Yes this is very typical of a family under lots of pressure with someone extremely mentally or physically taxing. Relief is the fist wave of emotion, and grief comes lingering afterwards. (The grief can even be prolonged or exasperated by feeling guilty about the relief.)
If you knew he has mental health issues why would you tell him news that would potentially trigger him before his flight? Also, why didn't a family member fly with him? Why is it the airports responsibility to provide mental health experts? Why didn't you express to him the importance of seeking help and hire someone to fly with him? Sounds like a lot of blame is being placed where it doesn't belong.
Agree
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but there may be some relief on the family's part. I have an extended family member that has extremely bad bipolar disorder, delusions, talks to herself, and can be violent. If somebody walks by her two times in the grocery store, then they're following her. Any man that nods or smiles in regular life is trying to rape her. It is utterly exhausting to have to deal with. My family has spent 1000's of dollars trying to keep her off the street and safe. She has been hospitalized many times but in this day and age it takes a lot for an involuntary commitment. She has been in the hospital for long and short periods countless times and she gets better and does well. She has been jailed many times due to extreme behaviors. But as soon as she gets out, she stops taking her medicine and then there's a rapid decline. It is often a hopeless situation. My family has tried to put her in different programs or help her get apartments. But she gets kicked out due to her extreme behavior. And she badly damages houses and apartments. She is now on the street due to MH, alcohol use and failed housing attempts. The family likely had already prepared themselves for the worst. Give them a break.
The family just want to sue the airport. No blame on the man who could've crashed an airliner by his reckless actions. If he was that unstable he shouldn't have been travelling alone.
Why was he the only person going to see their grandpa. The parents couldn't seem less empathetic. What do you expect though they're middle class 😅
@@BridMhor There was no helicopter involved in this incident. What are you referring to?
@@RugMann Sorry wrong video.
I agree. Why was he traveling by himself if so mentally ill?
How could he have “crashed an airliner” exactly? Was that something that really happened, or just wild speculation?
One wonders what could have happened IF he was 30,000 feet up in a plane & had "Manic Attack"
What are you implying by putting manic attack in quotes?
@@paradoxical_taco Quoting his parents
Total havoc
So let me get this straight, they bullied him by telling him that he needed professional help… which everyone later said would have basically saved his life possibly… what is the world we are living in….
IKR. On the surface it sound like someone was trying to be helpful, not bullying.
Yes, that bullying statement is odd. Who wasn't bullied in grade school, high school, etc. It doesn't make us manic. Young men in their late teenage years, early 20s will start to show signs of bi-polar or Schizophrenia. That seems like his story.
@@creativegirl9710 Well... Usually kids that bully, are the victims of abusive parents. Not everyone has abusive parents... So, being bullied at school, and at home... That's a goddam nightmare that doesn't happen to everyone.
No, you clearly did not get it straight. You act like they were kind and caring and hoping that he got help and got better. But he was different and they used that phrase to put him down. So either you were a bully and are being disingenuous, or you are really, really ignorant.
I totally agree the statement was bizaare and also bullying does not give you bipolar. Anything they could do not to blame themselves I guess.
Kyler was a manic depressive with bipolar disorder.......and his out of control behavior at the airport suggests he was NOT taking his meds. I have a family member with both disorders and they are relatively "normal" when on her meds. Off her meds, she is a complete and utter disaster. People with MD and PD often start to believe they dont need their meds anymore and randomly stop taking them, then this happens.
manic depression is the old name for the condition now called bipolar. Both are exactly the same thing, not 2 seperate conditoins. Sounds like this guy didn't have any formal diagnoses for anything though, let alone proper medication prescribed to treat his problems
@@mehere8038he did have a formal diagnosis, they specified that in the video. They said he was no compliant with treatment bc he felt like it was letting the circumstances they believe caused the bipolar “win”.
@@Sarah-ic4yu they also claimed he was on "medical" weed & refused to see a professional. Clearly they were just making up whatever they thought would gain them sympathy. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest there was actually any formal diagnoses!
Things can happen even if they are taking medications as prescribed, if they are under a lot of stress. It’s not a cure all.
It’s not always the Ill person’s fault.
@@mehere8038 "Though living with a bipolar diagnosis for more than a decade brought many challenges" - from Park Record obituary. Just in case someone decides that a RUclips comment is much more reliable than what the family member of the deceased attests to.
Yeah, un-medicated bi-polar. I have the same brother. I feel for his family as this is very typical & you are helpless when they are a full grown adult.
The reason I don't want to take meds is I enjoy creating things, making things, I want to turn that into my career, it's all I have to look forward to in life. I'll never have a spouse, or kids, or very many friends, I just want a career that makes me happy to give me a reason to wake up in the morning.
I fear if I take meds, I'll lose the creative edge I do desire, and end up in some 9 to 5 I hate, at which point, I'll just end things anyways. I succeed, or I die, there is no option C in my mind.
@@themidnighttavern6784 yeah I kinda understand. but maybe some meds might be of use in the short to medium term until you get a better handle of things. you're creativity will always be there
@@AndyPat239 I don't know man, I already have a very, very hard time motivating myself to do things. It's bad enough to the point where I view suicide as my best option long term, because it makes me question how I'd ever be able to have a happy and successful life. I might try medication, I don't know if there's mild medication or there that helps bi-polar individuals become more productive or something. I just feel like my brain is some piece of junk decades old car that once you fix one issue, another pops up, and it just never stops. In other words, my brain is like the Kia Rio my family used to own 🤣.
@@themidnighttavern6784mate I've lost 2 friends who were bipolar..suicide ia not the answer. medication and working on yourself is. you can do it😊
If you don't know what meds might be available, you probably need to see a professional or at least find some stories of creative people who fight the same thing and see what has worked for them.
Cannot imagine the flight crew, the passengers, and the ground crew who witnessed this horrific event. I worked in aviation for over 15 years. Anyone going near a running jet engine made me nervous.
Come on family.....why would you turn this guy loose on the airport police if you knew he was hard to deal with??? Some personal responsibility is missing in our society.
The way the dad spoke is so strange.
Father sounds like he's happy about his son's passing.
Like he doesn't have to deal with him anymore. So sad to
see his father smiling while describing how his son died. Terrible.
You have zero idea what it’s like to deal with a family member like that lol. If my mom passed I’d feel relieved as well as then I’d know I no longer have to fear the call he just got.
I know, it's gross. totally lacking empathy. almost smiling at being in the limelight odd.
He’s probably smiling because of the memory of his son, especially when he was talking about him being a soccer player.
@@jupeter24 You are the one lacking empathy. Dealing with severly mentally ill people, you know one day they will pass and more than likely young. grow up before you judge people.
Wait, security at the airport is now supposed to be mental health therapists? Give me a break. We’ll never get a Flight Attendant through security if that was the case.
@@anitanoterajes You can’t fix stupid. If a person has the intent, there is no way to completely stop them.
If the family knew he was at risk then why would they allow him to travel alone?
Prayers to his family and all involved. 😢
Marijuana was not a factor please don’t give that stigma
Bullying does not trigger bipolar, fyi.
Couldn't someone in the family have accompanied him to the airport and saw him to his plane?
Nah they were watching comedy movies
They all seem so shockingly calm and dare I say almost like this was just any old situation that was bound to happen? Is it just me? May he rest in peace.
The way his father smiles while talking about what happened that day is really strange... I totally agree with you...look at him at 1:07
@@8ballhemeloid his dad lol
I know exactly how this Family feels ..
Losing a child is something you never get over . God bless you man.
Sorry for your loss God bless 🙏💐❤️
I lost my son too
I'm deeply sorry for your loss. My condolences 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Legitimate question here…
The guy strips down naked, runs through security doors onto the tarmac and has all the time to access the planes engine, which I’m sure isn’t easy, to get in and die?? Wouldn’t and shouldn’t there have been all kinds of security personal chasing after him? I’d imagine someone could’ve easily got to him and tracked him down before he accessed a major airlines plane engine, no?
Maybe I’ve watched too many Bruce Willis movies….
almost identical event happened at Canberra airport Australia recently, but passengers filmed it from the terminal. You can go watch that one if you want to, woman is standing there on the tarmac kinda trying to flag down her plane as it taxies into position for take off. Seems she's confused "taxi" meaning in planes lol. Security apparently didn't know what to do, cause they're not used to people going through the emergency doors & I think were probably worried for their own lives if they followed her onto the tarmac of an active airport. Federal police ended up being called in to catch & arrest that one (also with pot in her pocket)
Actually those who used to tell him he needed professional help weren’t his bullies but his only true friends, had he listened he’d be alive.
You don't know for sure if he did not get any help. He had to have seen someone at some point as his family says he has a diagnosis of "Bipolar."
@@goll58 Here’s what I do know...
*Mother:* “He always thought by *not getting professional help* he wasn’t validating those bullying claims”
*Father:* “Just seek your professional medication, seek your professional therapist, and I think *if he had done that* he could’ve been fine”.
After his diagnosis he should’ve figured out that, bullying or not, those kids were right. By choosing not to follow up on his medication or checkups, only to avoid “validating” the bullies, he chose not to get better.
@@goll58 I also know that telling someone with mental issues that they need professional help isn’t bullying, it’s life-saving advice, I’d like to know what they did to be considered bullies, an example, because I haven’t heard a reason to believe their intentions weren’t good yet.
@@goll58 family also said he was on "medical pot" which he absolutely was NOT if he had a bipolar diagnoses! They also said he REFUSED professional help, due to the bullies, so seems pretty obvious the family have just made up the diagnoses based on dr goggle's assessment of his symptoms.
Family no doubt just think bipolar sounds better than psychosis
Which disorder causes psychosis with mania?@@mehere8038
Hope everyone else will be able to handle it. What a gentle family. Prayers continuously for them all❤
The Efinger's were supposed to be his help, not the public at large
1) "Manic" is when you're crazily happy and excited.
2) Are we sure the "bullies" weren't trying to get through to him? He did need professional help. That was good advice.
“Manic” is defined as unstable, excited, sometimes euphoric, frantic, etc but also escalates to manic psychosis
Sure, because teenagers are known for being kind and offering mature and caring advice to someone who doesn't fit in. Were you a bully by chance?
@@boycott2720 I dunno he might be right. Someone told me I looked like a f*g for the way I was dressed in elementary school. He was right. Maybe he was just trying to help me out.
@@thecaptainsnark Yeah, clearly you have never worked with teenagers and kids. Plus, saying the parents are lying in this situation is both mean and a reach. And no, no one who uses language that is derogatory is helping you. He was putting you down. Now if he had taken time and explained the entire concept to you, and the pros and cons of the way you dressed, I would agree with you. But just calling you that name meant he was trying to hurt you.
and apparently he never sort professional help because it would have been a "win for the bullies" & as such, we have no idea what he actually had, bipolar seems to be self diagnoses. Note, medical pot is NEVER prescribed for bipolar, as it can trigger psychotic breaks in those people!
This family is bonkers-no wonder this guy was messed up. If he was "SO FRAGILE" it's their fault they allowed him to travel alone. Why would it be the airport, security and EVERYONE else's responsibility to control and out of control NAKED man (I'm gonna go out on a limb & say ...who's likely on drugs) bolting in an airport and HIDING in an airplane engine.
Family is talking like the guy fell and only broke his leg…
If he was so fragile then where were his caregivers? Hire monitors for your fragile family members.
I have known dozens of people with mania and/or manic depression. None of them ever ran into an active jet turbine. This guy had a lot more going on, I’m guessing paranoid schizophrenia.
I'm sorry for Kyler because his family seems unfazed by his death...and I know people grieve differently but all of them have spoken so calmy about this that it doesn't surprise me that they let him fly on his own knowing that he was unwell because of his grandad and his stressful flying is. My heart breaks for him.
They set him up ... wonder how much they getting $
What are they going to do lock him in a room? When people consistently act crazy their parents prepare for this emotionally and when it happens they just remember them fondly.
@@willissudweeks1050 not lock him up, he wasn't a criminal. I meant maybe build a relationship with him where he would have respect for an elder like dad or mom. my uncle Paxi had very severe mental health issues and even as an adult (with a kid and wife) when he had a big MH crisis he respected our grandad Lewis so much that he was the only one he would listen to without question. He felt safe and protected when our grandad was with him. I'm sure if he had a crisis like his my grandfather would've flown with him to anywhere he went because he knew it was a triggering situation.
I wish his family would've been more caring and not allow him to fly alone. These people didn't seem to care all that much
They are tired…
His Dad’s like, that’s my boy! 😂
So why wasn't someone from the family with him
Medical thc does not cause his emotional issues
Having a criminally negligent potentially abusive upbringing does cause a plethora of mental issues though
My sympathies to the family. Dealing with bi-polar disorder isn't fun, I was mis- diagnosed for a time as just having depression. What would make it difficult is entering those manic phases, because I didn't really understand them at the time, meant my depression was improving. It's just this up and down roller coaster that's hard to manage.
In reality, from what they said, he clearly didn't have a formal diagnoses, family have just claimed it cause they think that's what sounds best
I didn’t get diagnosed til like two years ago I’m 26 it was anxiety and depression and nothing worked it wasn’t just that having an episode sucks and stress makes it worse I told my husband god forbid I get arrested tell them I’m bipolar any mental illness that’s hard to treat is tough thousands of meds out there could take u twenty years to find the right ones
Yup, the family is setting up all the typical blame game talking points... bullying, and now the airports need mental health experts on patrol 24/7. Ask them what role they play in helping their family member? It's always outside forces.
Either DRUGS
or he Lost his mind.
Running out to an airstrip, stripping naked, and jumping into an Airplane engine is not a MANIC episode.
Seems like he needed supervision in this situation ( of traveling) sad for the family
OKI this is sad but don't know if it's just me on here. But this news report doesn't really say how he died. They just said he climbed into an engine. And then they said he ran down the tarmac naked. But they don't say was the engine running. Or did the engine start? And they didn't know he was in it. The pilot, what exactly in detail happened?
So sorry for the family. Flying for a “normal” person today is so stressful. Many years ago I flew to see my dad who was die in the hospital. A very stressful time.
Bipolar disorder can happen to anyone. At any time. Youre not safe just because you consider yourself "normal".
@@SDsimplelife : I worked in group homes with adults that had different levels of schizophrenia and other mental health issues. What I learned was us so called “normal “ people can be on the fence line and it doesn’t take much to fall to one side. One person had Asperger’s syndrome. Very interesting.
@@SDsimplelife Ppl like the OP scare me. Many times people become mentally ill because of these supposed "normal ppl" 😭,🤣
Dafuk you mean stressful?! Its literally sitting and waiting you weakling!!!
So I guess you have no clue what putting quotations around a word means. On another note, no bi-polar can't happen to anyone at anytime, you have to have that disorder.@@SDsimplelife
Wow, the father seems so distraught over his sons untimely passing...
If he walked in front of an engine that was running he would have been pulled into the engine. He probably wouldnt have been able to get away from it. A running engine pulls an IMMENSE amount of air into the engine when its running.
This engine wasn’t running though. That’s the confusing part
Engine not on.
How do you get through security?? Ugh
Geez I have been stressed and had awful days, even with death. Not enough to make me jump in a plane engine though
Naked too
God Bless this man. Mental illness is real and can have dire effects. Prayers he’s at peace now😞
They knew he was diagnosed manic/depressive, under increased stress and taking an unaccompanied flight, but no one was concerned that he could take the trip - was he on meds? Was he taking them? How’d he get unfettered access onto the tarmac, etc? Did he have life insurance and/or assets? If so, who benefits from his demise…?
So many ?s
family should have helped and supported him instead of expecting him to do it himself.....
Why on earth was he allowed to travel alone if everybody knew his state of mind, so sad.
For whatever reason, someone had taken the luggage that he inexplicably left at the entry gate counter, just before he went running around the terminal barefoot.
You can see in the video when he returns to the gate, that he is questioning someone about his carry-on baggage being missing, then he seems to panic, and that it may have inadvertently been placed on that aircraft.
Why he left it there in the first place is almost as baffling as to why he ran onto the tarmac after the plane and got sucked in or climbed into the engine.
It's more likely that he was sucked in.
He wasn't sucked in, engine not on. They tried to give him CPR. I saw where he left his bag at the gate and turned around and ran off. That right there is a red flag for me. Security should be called immediately for that. We don't know from the snippet of the videos. But that bag would NOT be put on the plane. I worked for Delta for many years including time at SLC. Even before 9/11 if someone checked a bag and then turned around and went outside the airport we called security asap. Of course you think of a bomb and you treat it as such.
Wait, hold up. Bullies usually torment victims, they don't offer them life advice. His "bullies" encouraged him to seek help, and thus live a happier, healthier life? Yeahhh, no. Sorry for their loss, but those were not bullies. They were clearly right that he needed help.
They were probably dicks about it.. it's about the sentiment. People can be really scummy
Teenagers telling another teen they need help is not them giving “life advice.” These weren’t his friends. Such a comment by the bullies would have had a similar impact as being told on social media that “you must be off your meds” by someone who disagrees with a post, only _much worse_ because these jerks weren’t anonymous trolls, but people he had to see every day IRL.
@@HumbumHumbum yeh probably, but at that age, parents still have a responsibility to be caring for their kids & clearly something was wrong. Parents should have taken him to a shrink for "support and help dealing with the bullies" & let the shrink take it from there
@mehere8038 yeah true. But people are gross cunts and like to make others feel bad because they're uncomfortable with their inability to understand someone else
@@paradoxical_taco precisely
Condolences & deepest sympathy to his family! So sad! May he Rest In Peace!❤
We’re NEVER going to have “enough professional help” to be able to stop everyone from having mental breakdowns at any given time. This man had plenty of family. If he was THAT mentally fragile, he should not have been traveling alone.
As a weed smoker with mental health issues, weed is the worst thing for self mediating. his “bullies” were right. He needed professional help
You aren't using it the right way dopehead
Poor guy needed help, at least he didnt hurt others like rest of the news around the world
The family knew and are responsible!
They don't seem very broken up about it...
Any of em. Kinda seems like they don't even care.
If they knew he needed help like that, Why tf did they allow him to travel alone?
Seems like they were more worried about their lives and the things they want to do as opposed to making sure this poor guy didn't hurt himself.
They're probably glad he's gone and they don't have to deal with him anymore.
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My condolences to Kyler’s family. May Kyler’s memory be blessed and may he rest in peace.
My brother is bipolar and weed DOES NOT HELP him it makes him absolutely nuts.
Something seems up with the family, like they knew but don't want to take any responsibility. Why wouldn't they have gotten him help if they knew (as the sister said) that he was extremely fragile
My ex of 6 years had bipolar mania. He is now in prison serving a 35 year sentence for going on a full rage of wanting to harm those around him including myself. One out of the 3 of us did not survive. No one understands the danger of bipolar mania and especially when drugs play a part. Unfortunately my ex was using marijuana and Meth which led up the events occuring. I tried for years to get him help and still always stayed by his side because I loved him. You cant not blame the family for the way are being because im sure they tried helping their son but thing is you can not control a person with bipolar!!!! you tend to loose control in the midst of things because they are so uncontrollable. Their minds, even being on prescriptions, are in 20million different places. Stress will trigger, but most of all the drugs will play a huge part in loosing total control and not realizing what they are doing or whats happening to them. Like myself it took a whole year for me to grasp onto things and what had happened to have any feeling towards it. I was more shocked and angry in the beginning than anything...I didnt show any emotion till the trial took place having to relive moments.
For those who are blaming his family for allowing him to travel alone, firstly this was an adult, not a child! Secondly, they may well have been with the dying grandparent! It is entirely possible that they had no idea he planned to fly to see his grandfather - the sister said she received a call in the middle of the night.
The real issue is the failure of support for those with mental health issues! Many end up living on the streets, this man clearly had a loving family and a home - which is more than many with mental health problems have!
I do agree that there needs to be training to look for the signs of someone who is in a manic episode/ psychotic break - especially in places like airports! There would have been signs and it is so sad that this man has lost his life, thank goodness he never hurt anyone. I feel so bad for the first responders who were on scene afterwards. This would have been extremely traumatic.
Mental health does need to be a part of police and security, but if he had issues like this, it’s also on family to ensure he’s not traveling alone and unsafe.
Why did someone not travel with him??
If the family is this concerned they shouldn’t have let him travel alone. Dude is clearly unstable!
No kidding
The dad and family have been dealing with it for probably the son's whole life. Are they supposed to cry and wail about it when the camera crew shows up? Some families are very dysfunctional, too. I feel bad for the investigators and technicians that had to clean it up.
They were part of the cause. It’s pretty obvious the way they talk about it like they are trying to ensure their innocence
@@moretrash4you There seems to be more to this, whatever the it may be. At least he didn't hurt anyone else, unlike some of these cases.
You don’t have to do interviews like this. And yes their behavior was weird, no matter what the history was.
There are no reports the engine was on. He crawled inside the engine compartment of a plane that was stationary and being de-iced. He was found in one piece, narcan and CPR were administered. The aircraft was towed back to the gates where everyone disembarked. Cause of death unknown, could be the de-icing substance or if the engine was idling slow enough that he wasn’t chopped into pieces, he could have suffocated from the vacuum effect. Other causes could be drugs, hypothermia.
@EmmaDaisy source?
What a bizarre story. Why are they saying all of this and they have yet to even see the surveillance video of what actually happened?