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You made a video on the 10850k vs 10900k and had great things to say. The 10850k is way cheaper yet it hardly ever shows up. Its all the 10900k! Is there a big reason to not include the 10850k? I got one for less than 400 last week.
brother man why dont you condition your hair and shit you could be rollin around here in pure luxury you got the length but this man legit treat his hair like garbage... sad to see
So my 1070 is dead... found the issue dead capacitor only issue is trying to find somewhere that doesn’t charge you a stupid amount of shipping Just put um in a letter and your done FFS not spending 5x more than the thing i want on shipping cost
@@flaviusseverus8507 the OP was referring to the 117K and 119K im pretty sure, and since when did the 11400F beat a 3950X??? What am I missing? Edit: just realised he was talking about gaming performance. The 114F does have good gaming performance.
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 I used it recently with my 2080ti lol. Choked hard on cpu heavy games even at 4.9ghz, but gamed just fine none the less
@@basshead. i stay fully awake for the normal GN videos that i watch... but god... the vods from the livestreams are so soothing i always fall asleep 😂
someone should tell the 4790K, 6700K, and 7700k owners that think they can charge 175+ on eBay when even with markup a 3300x can be had for that which is faster and has pcie gen4. Intel didn't want to embarass them so no unlocked i3.
got the i7 10700f for only $220. Where im at the ryzen 5 3600 was going for $215.. with $5 more i got 2 more cores; ryzen cpus are beast if sold at msrp but the demand for them makes them not the best bang for your buck anymore.
@@eclipsegst9419 ya I remember looking at 6700k used cpus on ebay a year ago and was shocked they where $200... I'm like etf are these people thinking?
"We don't care about your MicroCenter pricing." Man, thank you. I see people singing their praises all the time on Reddit and I'm nowhere remotely close to one and they won't ship. Also love it when people post deals for something on a web retailer and there's always that one guy in the comments saying "MicroCenter routinely has this for X cheaper, this isn't a deal."
Nobody cares about the 'it's cheaper at MicroCenter!!!' zealots over Reddit since the rest of the world (and I assume most of the US too, seeing that they only cover like less than 20 states) won't even see those prices anyways.
It’s so true tho. When you get out to the whole world it annoy people overseas when you are basing your price and availability facts on local store chains, as its really not a good pointer for general pricing and availability when 98% of us can’t purchase from them
In 2017 I was already glorifying ryzen for 300$ for an 8 core with a bundle cooler while in the same price you could afford a 4/4 from intel. I supported ryzen for years getting backlashes from intel fans. Now I'm the first suggesting an old intel for a gaming build for availability and prices/performances while people shouts at me on Reddit. I don't care about fan or shilling, I see only price/quality/performance value. If the market was normal with old 3000 rizens discount I would suggest those instead of the new overpriced ones. Don't take sides, think with your wallet and don't waste money for companies that doesn't care about you and never will
yah. I see intel being value champ for a long time though. demand is high for amd, even with Intel's far better value, and they have no reason to lower prices.
@@wheezel55 Intel has no value. Piss off with that bullshit. Always a new socket, new board. when a almost 4 year old B450 board can support a 5950x and overclock, you cant without the top boards on intel.
Intel moment of zen is probably 3 to 5 years away, they'll probably come out with some stopgap but unless they really make it budget friendly and stop this stupid K and non k junk amd still has potentially better options. I recently upgraded with a $200 limit for cpu, thought about switching to intel but since they locked down any oc potential why should I leave performance on the table
I like the little dig at Microcenter - great pricing, but they won't ship it to you, and the dopiest thing of all is the baffling lack of a store in Silicon Valley!
Micro Center had a Silicon Valley store at one time. It closed in 2012 when they couldn't agree on an extension of their lease; the landlord wanted over 2X what they had been paying. Now that Fry's is gone it may be time for Micro Center to consider opening a new Silicon Valley store, but they'll have to find a real estate deal that isn't prohibitively expensive. Maybe they could open in one of the empty Fry's locations!
vaguely reminds me of Thuban vs Bulldozer, but Sandy Bridge leaves both of them in the dust. while Zen 3 still had to compete in gaming scenarios with either Comet or Rocket.
@@randomgaming8616 AMD was humbled for many years, they didn't take Intel's horse they made their own. Intel's horse has been beaten to death just like 14nm.
@@adapalis just like intel beat AMD like a decade ago, it's the same, company gets greedy, other company beats greedy company, becomes the greedy company and repeat
I wish my processor could hit clocks like that. My r5 1400 (oof not even the x version, got a basic cooler anyways so OC’ing isn’t really happening u til I upgrade) is still kicking though! Do you think you’ll be staying with Intel or will you see who is pushing the best products then?
@@knicks5426 I’ve actually owned 3 generations of ryzen cpus for my htpc. I currently own a 3700x(had a 1700x, 2700x, 1700 before that all of them didnt overclock that good too tbh) I play at 3440x1440 120hz honestly I think ill be fine for a few more years
Welcome to the Threadripper club! I'm rocking a 3960X, 2950X, and 1920X as well. With the 5 GHz silicon elephant in the room don't see any point to upgrading for the next 10 years as well. AMD's unofficial slogan: _We put the AMD in Amdahl's Law ... oh wait._ :-)
@@a_spire And *half* the MSRP price and TDP. Ryzen 9 5950X vs Threadripper Bulldozer 2990WX, 40% faster singlethread perfomance, similar multithread for half the core count. -Threadrippers s*ck- .
@@a_spire Pretty damned unlikely at this point. This isn't the 1990's anymore where a new CPU is 50% faster than last year's. My 3970x is only about 5x faster than the 3700k from 2012 it replaced, and that took 9 years (and 5x more money just for the CPU). Welcome to the death of Moore's Law and the limits of economics (and to a lesser degree of physics). I'm pretty sure that even if 2nm is a thing in 2032 even $4k (a current 3990x price) won't get me something even 4x faster than a 3970x. Not too hyped about DDR5 either. Memory speed in reality hasn't changed much since DDR1 days. Double clock rates, but double timings as well = same 8-12ns it's always been since 2001, just less voltage/power use and bigger modules (but no regular consumer actually needs TB's of ram, I struggle to max 32GB even when multitasking). Hell I may never need to upgrade again, it really depends if whatever is available in the 2030's is worth spending the cash. If it's just 2x performance but costs $10k for a CPU then no. Also a no if it's about the same price but the 20% performace gains can only be seen with benchmarks and not felt.
Hello GN... have all of your old benchmark videos with Unigine Heaven in them been copyright claimed again? Just happened to me (all two of mine, but still)
Finally, i managed to purchase AMD Ryzen 5950X a couple of days ago. After waiting for 4 months. Not yet assembled into the PC. but all parts are at home waiting to be assembled. :)
@@morpheas768 The 5950X is a fantastic gaming CPU, not to mention the productivity performance. If it's just for gaming sure, could've gone with something smaller, but it will hold up for many years especially when games will inevitably use even more cores. PS: My bad, I didn't want to conclusions but it seems like you're just a very salty Intel fanboy or at least Anti-AMD. To bad, cause you're going to have a bad time in the next years.
awesome CPU, you will like it. It's quite impressive to have this on a consumer plateform. I've got mine since last year and it great. I keep adding workload to it (Gaming, cloud gaming server, game server, several container etc) and it's just sitting there "meh".
Steves performance graphs give me anxiety. He is so comprehensive that it leads to a constant state of indicision as I search for the best deals in this nightmare of a time.
Thanks. Yes! 2 times a week for 2 hours each time. It's very slow progress with such little time dedicated to it, but it is steady progress. I really enjoy it. Highly recommend language studies!
I feel fortunate to have a Micro Center around 35 miles from where I live, and just across the highway from where I work. Though, I still do most of my shopping online.
@@ervingoss5442 I have one that is about 45 minutes away but love it. I was checking prices while watching the video and they were so much cheaper. Why it made me giggle.
10700F was selling for 235€. At that price you used to buy an i5 X500 , now you get an amazing cpu for only 235, amazing. Amd you did well, can't thank you enough!!!
The i9-10850K as of this comment is currently $395 on Newegg right now, basically the best price you can get for basically an equivalent to the 10900K!
Speaking of said micro center pricing, they are jacking the prices up for quite a lot of things. The i5 10400(?) is now cheaper on Amazon then it is at micro center
My phone reached the temperature of a *freshly* made hot pocket as he uttered those words! We all know that hot pockets reach temps rivaling *nuclear reactor* cores after cooked.
6:16 I've walked on that street before. There are lots of cool little shops hidden in the janky, from the outside at least, looking buildings in the back of the pic
14:00 i love microcenter so much and just the fact that you havr to out an asterisk around pricing because of microcenter just shows how great they are. There was a joke at my workplace that i was a microcenter spokesperson because of how much i love them
Ryzen will have to jump in performance to be worth a jump in price. This move by Intel will prove a good cap on AMD's price of kept up for this and next gen (and preferably beyond).
Got a 10900k at launch had a few issues wrangling in the heat but now that's sorted have been super happy with it. 5.3 4core 5.2 8core 5.1 allcore @ 65*c after 2 days of prime 95 :)
In the U.S. at Micro Center and other stores you can buy a 10900k for under $400. Right now, you can't even find a 5900x on a store shelf, let alone on eBay for less than around $800. In real world talk, AMD has no true obtainable competitor to the 10900k for the average PC builder. The 10900k is absolutely still the gaming king not just in performance, but in price as well.
doesn't really matter to me since the price I'll be paying for a new GPU today is the same price I used to pay for a GPU + a CPU + Mobo + RAM + HDDs + Case + Fans. I'll wait for the whole market to crash before I buy a new rig is what I'm saying, that or just take up fishing irl.
Here in the UK, the i9-10850K was on a pretty nice offer thanks to intel slashing prices. Grabbed one to upgrade my laptop from a 10700K, because it is used for gaming, coding and 3D rendering, so it made sense. The 10700K is likely going in the wife's PC since she's still on a a 5820K.
Well we just have to hope that Intel start producing those stickers! They allready have done good job advertising AMD, so this would be the next step... ;)
Only thing to keep in mind is pricing that includes MBs...apart from that I'm recommending 10 series to anyone who is looking at the moment... Especially if they don't OC and are ok with a non K and non Z series MB... 11 series kind of makes sense with the fact there are no GPUs so the Xe graphics is sorta ok to get you by until market is back on track.... 🤞🏻
One thing you have to take into account is motherboard prices, I know when I was upgrading and considering between Intel and AMD, the Intel Z490 ITX boards were $100 more than the AMD B550 ITX and boards which pushed me to AMD. Intel didn’t even allow memory overclocking on their midrange boards, so you were forced into high end Z490 where with AMD you could go with cheaper mid-range B550 and that offset the total price of the upgrade.
Micro Center has the 10850K for $345 and if you talk to a store manager tell him you missed a previous sale they will gladly drop it to $320. I just got one!
paid 280€ in november and paried with my 3080 tuf, oced at 4733Mhz with bclk and is destroying everything i play like cyberpunk 2077 , warzone and metro exodus.
In Brazil, where technology is expensive, everybody is going for the I5 9400f for its incredible cost benefit and also for allowing to play basic games before you have enough money for a graphic card.
AMD isn't going to gain any market share however. A large chunk of their customers that kept them around were price over performance customers (myself included). Now that AMD has jacked up all their prices prior to this video from Steve my upgrade wishlist featured an Intel 10th gen. So as AMD price go up they chase away all their long time budget conscious customers and make no noticeable gains in user base market share since those users will now go over to Intel. It's the one thing Dr. Su shouldn't have done, seek short term cash in the market over long term gains. Yay, your stock value is going to go up, but it won't ever reach a price point like that of Intel with your marginal user install base.
Hi GN, Awesome video as usual. I just want to reaffirm what you're saying about intel prices. I've been a PC Gaming Enthusiast for 30 years. I used to work at computer sales store. My first computers in the 90's were all intel(my father got them through his work, HP's), then in late high school and university I bought AMD's for a few years and once I started working I've bought nothing but Intel's ever since. I am big Intel fan, I wouldn't say fanboi but definitely a big fan. Intel has served me very well over the years, rock solid stable machines that I can overclock for a fairly significant performance boost. Intel was notorious for never dropping prices on last gen CPU's, it was kind of crazy but you would save almost nothing by trying to go with one or two generation old hardware. Until about the launch of 10th gen or immediately prior to the release of 10th gen Intel dropped the price of 9th gen a large amount. I just happened to buy a 9900K 2-3 weeks prior to the big drop. I didn't worry about it when I bought it because intel never dropped their prices. But to my shock and dismay in canada the 9900K dropped >$100 a couple weeks after I bought one to upgrade my 9600K. Luckily it was within newegg's price guarantee so I got the difference back on a gift card. I wasn't happy with the motherboard(ASUS Prime Z390-A) I had at the time so ~6 months later I decided to upgrade to an ASUS Maximus XII Apex and 10900KF. One of my passions in life overclocking so the Prime Z390 just didn't satisfy me. I am extremely happy with the Maximus Apex and 10900KF they are both overclocking beasts! I really need to setup a full custom watercooling loop because the CPU gets very hot, it wants to go faster but I need better cooling. It was so well known in the industry that Intel never drops prices on old stock that even PC buying guides recommended you buy the most recent gen because you won't save anything in the end by trying to buy one or two gen old CPU. I don't go on reddit very much but whatever heavily upvoted post you mentioned that says intel does drop it prices is just a bunch of garbage. Maybe in some parts of the world old CPU's got price cuts but for north america intel almost never made any significant price drops as new product lines were released. I know most of the benchmarks show the 11900K performing under the 10900K, I think it maybe be a different story when considering below ambient cooling. So I'm actually planning on getting 11900K, with the Maximus XIII Apex. Although maybe I'll wait and see what 12 gen turns out to be. Excellent video. Thank you for all your hard work GamerNexus.
A couple of things I want to mention. Steve said in the video that the upgrade path for AM4 is mainly just going to higher core count chips of this generation. We actually are hearing that Ryzen 6000 will still be AM4, because it's going to be a 6nm Zen3+ design. Next gen Zen 4 cores (AM5?) is when that upgrade path will finally end because we will move to DDR5 and other next gen tech, possibly even PCI Express 5.0. I understand none of this is confirmed by AMD but we have enough info from the inside/slides to where it's basically confirmed
I'm surprised, but glad, to recommend last-gen Intel parts for super-budget builds while AMD parts find their position in high-end stuff. It's an interesting twist.
Super-budget builds? The 10900k is still near the top of the pack for gaming (and better than 5800x for productivity), and it's around $400, with the 10850k being essentially the same thing for even less. That's not even considering the 10700k. These are not "super-budget" options. They're just great general options, period.
@@channelthechannel Arguably true, but Intel's lower-end stuff has been even more compelling for an even longer time. With their midrange following that trend too (Hello, 10400), that's what I was trying to express.
So which of the R7 3700x and i7 10700 (non k ) would you recommend if both are nearly the same price in my area for a gaming centric build( ik six cared id enough but I am trying to future proof it)
Could we start including a VR game in CPU benchmarks? I feel it has quite a different set of requirements to most other benchmarks and VR is getting quite popular.
My upgrade wish list has a 10th gen Intel i7. Currently on 1st gen Ryzen. I go where the price per performance takes me so like Steve said, it's a no brainer to go Intel at the moment. AND I would guess all the people who kept AMD in the game prior to their new success were mostly due to price over performance, so now that AMD is trying to be the new Intel and jack up all their prices, I don't see them making up any market share as they are to loose all their traditional budget customers. If they really wanted to grow their share in the market they would've stuck to their prices instead of jacking them up.
the 10700k is 250$ at microcentre can be found for cheaper sometimes... been like that for a long time... can be found for 250$ at other places as well..
I got my 10850K for $349.99 at Microcenter, and at one point I believe it was as low as $329.99. Great value for gaming and light-medium productivity loads. Throw a light OC on it and you're pretty near 10900K performance is most use cases. Loving it. Runs a little hot, but if you tune the voltages a bit, it's very manageable.
my 10900F scored 15.4k (pl bypass 174W max) which equals with 5800x scores. priced only at $365 only... plus ASRock B560 steel legend ($135) which support PL bypass to 200W, total is $500 and 5800x CPU only already priced $510 in here...
Because they've have processors weeks before launch. They release the video as soon as Intel released the embargo or the chip is launched to the public.
I bought a Ryzen 3600 at MicroCenter for $154.99, full retail in July 2020. I also bought one for $189.99 and $159.99 in 11/2019 and 04/2020 respectively. Pretty good IYAM.
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You made a video on the 10850k vs 10900k and had great things to say. The 10850k is way cheaper yet it hardly ever shows up. Its all the 10900k! Is there a big reason to not include the 10850k? I got one for less than 400 last week.
any word on the 10900ks? sorry if i missed it in the video
Microcenter Intel i9 10900K - $399.99
Intel I9 10850K - $349.99
The 10850K is just a better deal and has just about the same performance as the 10900K
brother man why dont you condition your hair and shit you could be rollin around here in pure luxury you got the length but this man legit treat his hair like garbage... sad to see
So my 1070 is dead... found the issue dead capacitor only issue is trying to find somewhere that doesn’t charge you a stupid amount of shipping
Just put um in a letter and your done FFS not spending 5x more than the thing i want on shipping cost
Steve's hair truly is a benchmark for bitrate. I always can tell immeditaly when youtube drops me down to anything lower than 1440p
Lol
If you can't see the fritziness you can't do the business.
Me, in 144p: 🤤
LoL wish I had hair like his
@@somethingsomethingsomethingdar One would think they adapt this to media streaming sooner then later to reduce bandwidth.
I'm part Chinese and Steve pronounces those locations more Chinese than me.
Haha, thanks. I've been studying for a few years. It's still really hard to quickly switch between English and Chinese for me!
@@GamersNexus the effort shows :) go Steve
@@GamersNexus Really appreciate it, it is very hard to pick it up. Major Kudos to you Steve. My mom always tells me I sound too "american" lol
I'm all Chinese and he beats me
Chinese on point 👉
[looks into the crystal clear waters of Rocket Lake]
[sees a bulldozer at the bottom]
Hopeful the waters at Alder Lake is better
As water here has Ryzen to dangerous level
11400f is almost as good as 5600x being twice cheaper and beating full 3000 series lineup from last year. Tell me now how bad it is.
@@flaviusseverus8507 lol
Don't know if it's a stolen comment but it's brilliant.
@@flaviusseverus8507 the OP was referring to the 117K and 119K im pretty sure, and since when did the 11400F beat a 3950X??? What am I missing?
Edit: just realised he was talking about gaming performance. The 114F does have good gaming performance.
"They already got the crazy naming why not tack another 50 to the end of it" Steve, please don't give them ideas
Ghost is that you?
But.. but.. how will UserBenchmark hate you with that thumbnail??? 😱😱
CPUpro: But if Intel is AMD, then I must hate Intel, and that can't be right. I must love Intel and hate AMD with all my heart.
@@nathangamble125 well they started on the good way to be hated, increased price and the lower CPU is 350$
See, you are still relevant, my old friend.
Pats my i7 4770 pc
*nods in 3770*
*Shrugs in 4460*
I got an I7-5930K precisely because thier CPU evolution seems to be in such a way that i7 maintain relevance long after you'd think they should.
My I7 2600K was still my gaming pc up till last December.
A well deserved retirement
@@tardvandecluntproductions1278 I used it recently with my 2080ti lol. Choked hard on cpu heavy games even at 4.9ghz, but gamed just fine none the less
Gamers Nexus is one of the very few channels that I watch long videos from beginning to end with their included sponsors. Love this channel.
Thank you!
@@GamersNexus try to make it a bit shorter though :)
Me too 😀
@@basshead. i stay fully awake for the normal GN videos that i watch... but god... the vods from the livestreams are so soothing i always fall asleep 😂
@@madd5 booo
Finally Intel got the memo that older stuff should be cheaper. GG
And amd changed it's mind and left it's old stuff at same price on which it launched.
Positions changed I guess lol
someone should tell the 4790K, 6700K, and 7700k owners that think they can charge 175+ on eBay when even with markup a 3300x can be had for that which is faster and has pcie gen4. Intel didn't want to embarass them so no unlocked i3.
Laughs in 8700k vs 9700k
got the i7 10700f for only $220. Where im at the ryzen 5 3600 was going for $215.. with $5 more i got 2 more cores; ryzen cpus are beast if sold at msrp but the demand for them makes them not the best bang for your buck anymore.
@@eclipsegst9419 ya I remember looking at 6700k used cpus on ebay a year ago and was shocked they where $200... I'm like etf are these people thinking?
"We don't care about your MicroCenter pricing."
Man, thank you. I see people singing their praises all the time on Reddit and I'm nowhere remotely close to one and they won't ship. Also love it when people post deals for something on a web retailer and there's always that one guy in the comments saying "MicroCenter routinely has this for X cheaper, this isn't a deal."
Reddit moment
We MicroCenter blessed just forget they have so few stores. Honest mistake, it's always there, well kind of I have to drive 40 miles.
Nobody cares about the 'it's cheaper at MicroCenter!!!' zealots over Reddit since the rest of the world (and I assume most of the US too, seeing that they only cover like less than 20 states) won't even see those prices anyways.
It’s so true tho. When you get out to the whole world it annoy people overseas when you are basing your price and availability facts on local store chains, as its really not a good pointer for general pricing and availability when 98% of us can’t purchase from them
In 2017 I was already glorifying ryzen for 300$ for an 8 core with a bundle cooler while in the same price you could afford a 4/4 from intel. I supported ryzen for years getting backlashes from intel fans.
Now I'm the first suggesting an old intel for a gaming build for availability and prices/performances while people shouts at me on Reddit. I don't care about fan or shilling, I see only price/quality/performance value. If the market was normal with old 3000 rizens discount I would suggest those instead of the new overpriced ones.
Don't take sides, think with your wallet and don't waste money for companies that doesn't care about you and never will
They'll often play leap frog and that's good for us.
yah. I see intel being value champ for a long time though. demand is high for amd, even with Intel's far better value, and they have no reason to lower prices.
@@wheezel55 Intel has no value. Piss off with that bullshit. Always a new socket, new board. when a almost 4 year old B450 board can support a 5950x and overclock, you cant without the top boards on intel.
@@Odin3v
The B450 isn't even 3 years old.
@@gerhardsmith7892 Yes it is. Released March 2018. Wanna try again?
@@Odin3v
Where tf do you even get that they were launched on March? AMD launched the B450 on July, so, wanna try again? Dipshit.
Good for AMD, now let's see what intel brings out as their Zen moment.
Copying AMD but doing it better with vertical sandwiched chips.
20nm i9-15569K Duo Core "gaming" CPU.
i11-111111G11XE
How long did it take for AMD to have their Zen moment? 10-15 years?
Intel moment of zen is probably 3 to 5 years away, they'll probably come out with some stopgap but unless they really make it budget friendly and stop this stupid K and non k junk amd still has potentially better options. I recently upgraded with a $200 limit for cpu, thought about switching to intel but since they locked down any oc potential why should I leave performance on the table
I like the little dig at Microcenter - great pricing, but they won't ship it to you, and the dopiest thing of all is the baffling lack of a store in Silicon Valley!
Or here in Portland. In intel's hometown.
Micro Center had a Silicon Valley store at one time. It closed in 2012 when they couldn't agree on an extension of their lease; the landlord wanted over 2X what they had been paying. Now that Fry's is gone it may be time for Micro Center to consider opening a new Silicon Valley store, but they'll have to find a real estate deal that isn't prohibitively expensive. Maybe they could open in one of the empty Fry's locations!
vaguely reminds me of Thuban vs Bulldozer, but Sandy Bridge leaves both of them in the dust. while Zen 3 still had to compete in gaming scenarios with either Comet or Rocket.
Intel decided to get off their high horse, finally!
Only because AyyMD kicked them off. 😂
No, they got roundhouse kicked off their high horse
@@randomgaming8616 AMD was humbled for many years, they didn't take Intel's horse they made their own. Intel's horse has been beaten to death just like 14nm.
Only because that horses legs had been severely broken by 11th gen
@@adapalis just like intel beat AMD like a decade ago, it's the same, company gets greedy, other company beats greedy company, becomes the greedy company and repeat
how did Steve pronounce those Chinese locations so well. it caught me off guard
Haha, thanks. I have been practicing Mandarin for a few years now. Helps a lot with factory tour content!
That guy speaks at least 1 dialect of chinese... for sure. I believe in some of his factory tour videos he was speaking to locals.
China
@@GamersNexus you sir are incredible
1 word: practice.
I actually went with intel for my new pc. The 10700k looked like the perfect cpu for what i needed.
5:11 Saying "Happy 420!" like only Steve can :-D
My Delidded 8700k @5.2ghz slays! I will hold on to it for a few more years
I wish my processor could hit clocks like that. My r5 1400 (oof not even the x version, got a basic cooler anyways so OC’ing isn’t really happening u til I upgrade) is still kicking though! Do you think you’ll be staying with Intel or will you see who is pushing the best products then?
@@knicks5426 I’ve actually owned 3 generations of ryzen cpus for my htpc. I currently own a 3700x(had a 1700x, 2700x, 1700 before that all of them didnt overclock that good too tbh) I play at 3440x1440 120hz honestly I think ill be fine for a few more years
I just got a 32-core Threadripper and now done upgrading for 10 years = good enough for everything.
Two months later: new cpu thats twice as powerful
Welcome to the Threadripper club! I'm rocking a 3960X, 2950X, and 1920X as well. With the 5 GHz silicon elephant in the room don't see any point to upgrading for the next 10 years as well.
AMD's unofficial slogan: _We put the AMD in Amdahl's Law ... oh wait._ :-)
@@a_spire And *half* the MSRP price and TDP. Ryzen 9 5950X vs Threadripper Bulldozer 2990WX, 40% faster singlethread perfomance, similar multithread for half the core count.
-Threadrippers s*ck- .
@@a_spire Pretty damned unlikely at this point. This isn't the 1990's anymore where a new CPU is 50% faster than last year's. My 3970x is only about 5x faster than the 3700k from 2012 it replaced, and that took 9 years (and 5x more money just for the CPU). Welcome to the death of Moore's Law and the limits of economics (and to a lesser degree of physics). I'm pretty sure that even if 2nm is a thing in 2032 even $4k (a current 3990x price) won't get me something even 4x faster than a 3970x. Not too hyped about DDR5 either. Memory speed in reality hasn't changed much since DDR1 days. Double clock rates, but double timings as well = same 8-12ns it's always been since 2001, just less voltage/power use and bigger modules (but no regular consumer actually needs TB's of ram, I struggle to max 32GB even when multitasking). Hell I may never need to upgrade again, it really depends if whatever is available in the 2030's is worth spending the cash. If it's just 2x performance but costs $10k for a CPU then no. Also a no if it's about the same price but the 20% performace gains can only be seen with benchmarks and not felt.
@@MichaelPohoreski pretty bad investment if you think about the depreciation...
Hello GN... have all of your old benchmark videos with Unigine Heaven in them been copyright claimed again? Just happened to me (all two of mine, but still)
Grabbed a 10850k last night. They are discounted so heavily it was almost a no brainer.
Good choice, me 2. Weird Steve not mention this cpu! 😂
Finally, i managed to purchase AMD Ryzen 5950X a couple of days ago. After waiting for 4 months. Not yet assembled into the PC. but all parts are at home waiting to be assembled. :)
Man I'm excited for you. Enjoy the build man!
@@morpheas768 The 5950X is a fantastic gaming CPU, not to mention the productivity performance. If it's just for gaming sure, could've gone with something smaller, but it will hold up for many years especially when games will inevitably use even more cores.
PS: My bad, I didn't want to conclusions but it seems like you're just a very salty Intel fanboy or at least Anti-AMD. To bad, cause you're going to have a bad time in the next years.
awesome CPU, you will like it. It's quite impressive to have this on a consumer plateform. I've got mine since last year and it great. I keep adding workload to it (Gaming, cloud gaming server, game server, several container etc) and it's just sitting there "meh".
Intel: "So you're saying that if you make your product a good value, people will buy it?"
EA said the same thing with Jedi Fallen Order. 😂😂😂
Steves performance graphs give me anxiety. He is so comprehensive that it leads to a constant state of indicision as I search for the best deals in this nightmare of a time.
damn bro nice chinese; you still practicing/learning?
Thanks. Yes! 2 times a week for 2 hours each time. It's very slow progress with such little time dedicated to it, but it is steady progress. I really enjoy it. Highly recommend language studies!
@@GamersNexus
It’s still 4 hours/week more than most people dedicate to learn languages.
I need to brush up on my Chinese. It's been years since I really got to use it. =\
@@GamersNexus how are you learning Chinese?
@@sirduckpan A mix of tutoring and practicing at local restaurants/shops, plus some RUclips videos. PeggyTeachesChinese is a good one.
I just picked up a i9-10900k for $399.99 at the local Microcenter on 04-17-21. Nice upgrade from my x58 system!
Recently bought a 10700k for 250 bucks from my microcenter, can’t believe how cheap it was
Great price for an eight core. Pcie and nvme gen 4 is honestly a bit overrated.
I recently bought an i9 10850k and I am very happy with it. Got a great deal at microcenter
Congrats! you have a brain unlike many
"We don't care about Micro Center pricing"
Micro Center thanks you for understanding. 🤣👍
I feel fortunate to have a Micro Center around 35 miles from where I live, and just across the highway from where I work. Though, I still do most of my shopping online.
@@ervingoss5442 You got a microcenter close to you and you still shop online, you infidel!!! i wish i were you :'c
@@ervingoss5442 I have one that is about 45 minutes away but love it. I was checking prices while watching the video and they were so much cheaper. Why it made me giggle.
10700F was selling for 235€.
At that price you used to buy an i5 X500 , now you get an amazing cpu for only 235, amazing.
Amd you did well, can't thank you enough!!!
I9-10850K can be had for a great price too! ($350), bought one over the I9-11900K for my Asus 490 MB.
Can you please do a full video explaining “actual overclocking” vs “locked sku “”overclocking”””
The i9-10850K as of this comment is currently $395 on Newegg right now, basically the best price you can get for basically an equivalent to the 10900K!
I managed to get a Best Buy phone rep to price match the Microcenter price for the 10850k which was $320. I couldn't be happier with it!
Indeed :-)
Speaking of said micro center pricing, they are jacking the prices up for quite a lot of things. The i5 10400(?) is now cheaper on Amazon then it is at micro center
I'm just sitting here with my r5 3600 since August 2019 and haven't needed an upgrade
Purchase a 10700k for $250 at Microcenter the week before 11th gen came out. Awesome chip for gaming and streaming, as well as light video editing.
"Intel has spent a lot of time making this particular mistake." Careful Steve, you almost set our machines on fire with that burn.
My phone reached the temperature of a *freshly* made hot pocket as he uttered those words! We all know that hot pockets reach temps rivaling *nuclear reactor* cores after cooked.
6:16 I've walked on that street before. There are lots of cool little shops hidden in the janky, from the outside at least, looking buildings in the back of the pic
that's surprisingly a very good mandarin pronunciation, way to go!
14:00 i love microcenter so much and just the fact that you havr to out an asterisk around pricing because of microcenter just shows how great they are. There was a joke at my workplace that i was a microcenter spokesperson because of how much i love them
I didn't know I was gonna be here for Steve dropping a 420 joke but I'm glad I was lol
On 4/20, no less.
This video was great. How come you don’t mention the 10850k? It’s readily available at $385 right now.
I thought so too 😊
And thus the cycle continues, lets just hope Intel cooks up something good before we start seeing Ryzens jump in price
And then, Intel makes something good only for it to jump in price. Friggin' scalpers and miners, man.
Ryzen will have to jump in performance to be worth a jump in price. This move by Intel will prove a good cap on AMD's price of kept up for this and next gen (and preferably beyond).
Got a 10900k at launch had a few issues wrangling in the heat but now that's sorted have been super happy with it. 5.3 4core 5.2 8core 5.1 allcore @ 65*c after 2 days of prime 95 :)
i got the i9-10850k for the same price as a Ryzen R7 3800X in Denmark
Almost went with a 5800x, but the 10900kf was 329 at micro center. Working awesome paired with a 3090 in a gaming focused build.
I got a 10850k, a z590 motherboard, and an NH-D15 for less than the price of an AMD 5900x a couple weeks ago.
In that case it's a no-brainer unless you're an FPS snob in e-sports titles.
That's a great deal you got there.
@@XxViciousxX yeah, motherboard and CPU were a sick combo deal, I'm really happy with it.
The 10850K is $320 at Microcenter (and price-matchable at Best Buy). Stellar deal.
Love how Steve tells the MicroCenter kids to shut up already.
"B-but muh MicroCenter sells them for much le-"
Steve: *Shut.*
@@daviddebroux4708 they do though... 10900k is 399$ at microcentre and 10700k is 250....
"it's not near 99% of the audience"
That's a terrible exaggeration by Steve.
@@TheBURBAN111 S H U T
Microcenter sounds more like mythical place that exist only in your imagination.
The fact I was able to pickup a Z-series mobo and 9700k brand new for sub-300 last christmas blows my mind
What about the 10850k (?) it's like 385 USD on best buy rn
I’d buy it if I were to get a new CPU today
In the U.S. at Micro Center and other stores you can buy a 10900k for under $400. Right now, you can't even find a 5900x on a store shelf, let alone on eBay for less than around $800. In real world talk, AMD has no true obtainable competitor to the 10900k for the average PC builder. The 10900k is absolutely still the gaming king not just in performance, but in price as well.
doesn't really matter to me since the price I'll be paying for a new GPU today is the same price I used to pay for a GPU + a CPU + Mobo + RAM + HDDs + Case + Fans.
I'll wait for the whole market to crash before I buy a new rig is what I'm saying, that or just take up fishing irl.
Here in the UK, the i9-10850K was on a pretty nice offer thanks to intel slashing prices.
Grabbed one to upgrade my laptop from a 10700K, because it is used for gaming, coding and 3D rendering, so it made sense. The 10700K is likely going in the wife's PC since she's still on a a 5820K.
How about stickers with "AMD Inside"? We need those now!🤣
Well we just have to hope that Intel start producing those stickers!
They allready have done good job advertising AMD, so this would be the next step...
;)
@@haukionkannel LoL
Just (1 week ago) got myself a 10700k with a $240 CAD discount. Was "the best" i could get for the price.
The most insane deal was when the 10850K was selling in low $300 for a while.
300 bucks for an unlocked, seriously fast 10 core is bonkers. yeah you'll need insane cooling and it guzzles power, but still, what a deal.
10850k are still 330$ at Microcenter, and 10700k are 270$
Only thing to keep in mind is pricing that includes MBs...apart from that I'm recommending 10 series to anyone who is looking at the moment... Especially if they don't OC and are ok with a non K and non Z series MB... 11 series kind of makes sense with the fact there are no GPUs so the Xe graphics is sorta ok to get you by until market is back on track.... 🤞🏻
I got my R7 2700X for like $160 on sale. It was a nice deal.
Yeah same still happy and it works great with my 3070
5:43 goodness steve's getting pretty damn good at speaking madarin. kudos
What is that on your left hand side on the table? Looks like darth vaders pacemaker
Yes Steve, I too feel the joy of seeing intel cutting prices :)
The 10850k is a great value right now too
If I were to buy a new CPU today that’s what I’d go for
@@MarkBlackMigo yeah it's what I'm running in my system, got it for $400 and you can get it even cheaper if you have a microcenter near you
One thing you have to take into account is motherboard prices, I know when I was upgrading and considering between Intel and AMD, the Intel Z490 ITX boards were $100 more than the AMD B550 ITX and boards which pushed me to AMD. Intel didn’t even allow memory overclocking on their midrange boards, so you were forced into high end Z490 where with AMD you could go with cheaper mid-range B550 and that offset the total price of the upgrade.
Let's just hope intel produces a great budget cpu like the 10100f for 12th gen
Yes. That.
5:08 made me chuckle
About a month ago, our local MicroCenter was clearing out some 9900ks for $250. Should have grabbed one.
Micro Center has the 10850K for $345 and if you talk to a store manager tell him you missed a previous sale they will gladly drop it to $320. I just got one!
I7 10700f is lookin' juicy
paid 280€ in november and paried with my 3080 tuf, oced at 4733Mhz with bclk and is destroying everything i play like cyberpunk 2077 , warzone and metro exodus.
@@MrHope86 daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn that's lit bro 🔥🔥 I need to get me a 3080 or something soon
Oh. Unrelated, I didn't think I'd see an RGG/Yakuza-related poster here. Bless you, spot of Taipei there 6:11
At Microcenters, the 10900k is at $399, and 10850k is $350.
got my 10850k for $319 by price matching microcenter with bestbuy. I live like 40 miles from one though ymmv
Yessir microcenter for the win
10700k was 249.99
@@Loooooooooooooooool is this price with taxes included?
Got a 9700k for $220-ish. Couldn't get it stable after modding my Z170, so got a cheap Z390. No regrets, Intel has become a great value option.
In Brazil, where technology is expensive, everybody is going for the I5 9400f for its incredible cost benefit and also for allowing to play basic games before you have enough money for a graphic card.
Huge shift in the market. Big props to AMD
AMD isn't going to gain any market share however. A large chunk of their customers that kept them around were price over performance customers (myself included). Now that AMD has jacked up all their prices prior to this video from Steve my upgrade wishlist featured an Intel 10th gen. So as AMD price go up they chase away all their long time budget conscious customers and make no noticeable gains in user base market share since those users will now go over to Intel.
It's the one thing Dr. Su shouldn't have done, seek short term cash in the market over long term gains. Yay, your stock value is going to go up, but it won't ever reach a price point like that of Intel with your marginal user install base.
@@SuperQBoi this may be true but I'm curious what the future will bring.
I got a i7 10700k for my 2nd pc build and I’m loving it so far, only used for a day right now. I picked it up for $250 at micro center so a steal.
Meanwhile, in my country, prices are going up!
I know that feel, 350USD for an R5 3600 and almost 70 for a crappy A320 board... we're here just to suffer
Hi GN, Awesome video as usual. I just want to reaffirm what you're saying about intel prices. I've been a PC Gaming Enthusiast for 30 years. I used to work at computer sales store. My first computers in the 90's were all intel(my father got them through his work, HP's), then in late high school and university I bought AMD's for a few years and once I started working I've bought nothing but Intel's ever since. I am big Intel fan, I wouldn't say fanboi but definitely a big fan. Intel has served me very well over the years, rock solid stable machines that I can overclock for a fairly significant performance boost.
Intel was notorious for never dropping prices on last gen CPU's, it was kind of crazy but you would save almost nothing by trying to go with one or two generation old hardware. Until about the launch of 10th gen or immediately prior to the release of 10th gen Intel dropped the price of 9th gen a large amount. I just happened to buy a 9900K 2-3 weeks prior to the big drop. I didn't worry about it when I bought it because intel never dropped their prices. But to my shock and dismay in canada the 9900K dropped >$100 a couple weeks after I bought one to upgrade my 9600K. Luckily it was within newegg's price guarantee so I got the difference back on a gift card. I wasn't happy with the motherboard(ASUS Prime Z390-A) I had at the time so ~6 months later I decided to upgrade to an ASUS Maximus XII Apex and 10900KF. One of my passions in life overclocking so the Prime Z390 just didn't satisfy me. I am extremely happy with the Maximus Apex and 10900KF they are both overclocking beasts! I really need to setup a full custom watercooling loop because the CPU gets very hot, it wants to go faster but I need better cooling.
It was so well known in the industry that Intel never drops prices on old stock that even PC buying guides recommended you buy the most recent gen because you won't save anything in the end by trying to buy one or two gen old CPU.
I don't go on reddit very much but whatever heavily upvoted post you mentioned that says intel does drop it prices is just a bunch of garbage. Maybe in some parts of the world old CPU's got price cuts but for north america intel almost never made any significant price drops as new product lines were released.
I know most of the benchmarks show the 11900K performing under the 10900K, I think it maybe be a different story when considering below ambient cooling. So I'm actually planning on getting 11900K, with the Maximus XIII Apex. Although maybe I'll wait and see what 12 gen turns out to be.
Excellent video. Thank you for all your hard work GamerNexus.
I checked to see if it was April fools when I saw the title.....
We did get a 420 joke!
A couple of things I want to mention. Steve said in the video that the upgrade path for AM4 is mainly just going to higher core count chips of this generation. We actually are hearing that Ryzen 6000 will still be AM4, because it's going to be a 6nm Zen3+ design. Next gen Zen 4 cores (AM5?) is when that upgrade path will finally end because we will move to DDR5 and other next gen tech, possibly even PCI Express 5.0. I understand none of this is confirmed by AMD but we have enough info from the inside/slides to where it's basically confirmed
I'm surprised, but glad, to recommend last-gen Intel parts for super-budget builds while AMD parts find their position in high-end stuff. It's an interesting twist.
Super-budget builds? The 10900k is still near the top of the pack for gaming (and better than 5800x for productivity), and it's around $400, with the 10850k being essentially the same thing for even less. That's not even considering the 10700k. These are not "super-budget" options. They're just great general options, period.
@@channelthechannel Arguably true, but Intel's lower-end stuff has been even more compelling for an even longer time. With their midrange following that trend too (Hello, 10400), that's what I was trying to express.
So which of the R7 3700x and i7 10700 (non k ) would you recommend if both are nearly the same price in my area for a gaming centric build( ik six cared id enough but I am trying to future proof it)
"If you can intercept the 5900X at $500"
The 5900X is £700 on Amazon UK, the 10900 is £350. *Half* .
I read this exactly when he said this lol
I was just thinking to myself..."jeesh this guy needs to provide me with more content"
Thank you!!!!!
Still rockin my 6700k and 980ti lol
Could we start including a VR game in CPU benchmarks? I feel it has quite a different set of requirements to most other benchmarks and VR is getting quite popular.
10850k is a banger for the current price
@@morpheas768
And the 10850K is even faster in some benchmarks compared to his big brother the 10900k 😂
My upgrade wish list has a 10th gen Intel i7. Currently on 1st gen Ryzen. I go where the price per performance takes me so like Steve said, it's a no brainer to go Intel at the moment.
AND I would guess all the people who kept AMD in the game prior to their new success were mostly due to price over performance, so now that AMD is trying to be the new Intel and jack up all their prices, I don't see them making up any market share as they are to loose all their traditional budget customers. If they really wanted to grow their share in the market they would've stuck to their prices instead of jacking them up.
the 10700k is 250$ at microcentre can be found for cheaper sometimes... been like that for a long time... can be found for 250$ at other places as well..
I got my 10850K for $349.99 at Microcenter, and at one point I believe it was as low as $329.99. Great value for gaming and light-medium productivity loads. Throw a light OC on it and you're pretty near 10900K performance is most use cases. Loving it. Runs a little hot, but if you tune the voltages a bit, it's very manageable.
Yes it was 330 or 320 a little before
The old' switcharoo
my 10900F scored 15.4k (pl bypass 174W max) which equals with 5800x scores. priced only at $365 only... plus ASRock B560 steel legend ($135) which support PL bypass to 200W, total is $500 and 5800x CPU only already priced $510 in here...
Give STEVE his flowers while he's here 😂😭
There's also the 10850k for intel high end value.
How can people talk about their conclusions of a video 20min long just 3 minutes after its release?
stop reading my mind that's rude.
Paterson early release
x2 speed
Because they've have processors weeks before launch. They release the video as soon as Intel released the embargo or the chip is launched to the public.
gotta say im pretty happy with my 5800x. upgraded from a 2700x and its definitely noticeable in VR.
Shoutout to Yakuza Like a Dragon at 6:13. :D
We picked up a 1 month old 10900k for 500AUD, in Sydney. Absolute bargain. Hard to believe this was a 1K AUD cpu at launch.
Finally someone who appreciates the fact that not everyone in the world is American
I bought a Ryzen 3600 at MicroCenter for $154.99, full retail in July 2020. I also bought one for $189.99 and $159.99 in 11/2019 and 04/2020 respectively. Pretty good IYAM.