I enjoy your commentary! After watching a lot of your videos, I now try more and more drops and resets vs. just banging the ball. It's definitely helped my game.
Thank you so much for the shout out for my jerky company! We don’t ever like to come in as an intimidating factor but I’ll take that as a blessing in disguise.
You're welcome1 I had no idea it was an advertisement for a jerky company. I could not read the fine print. 4,500 views and counting. I guess you call that FREE advertising.
Rory. I really enjoy your channel. I just started playing pickleball. And it is just a different animal compared to tennis and racquetball. Thanks for all your help.
Great point. A lot of players would have tried to battle it out with the power players. Even though getting behind early, they didn't panic, stayed with their game and dominated the second half of the game.
I find it interesting that your definition of a successful third shot drop is whether or not the ball bounces. I usually prefer if my third shot drops don’t bounce and they are putting an awkward spot. My definition of a successful third shot drop is one that allows me to close most of the distance to the kitchen. I don’t have to get it all in one shot. Probably a ball that has taken at knee level or lower in the air. Also, the net has never lost yet so better to push the ball a little high than into the net. I would personally prefer over one that bounces. I just wanted to get your opinion on that. Always enjoy your videos.
Thanks for your opinion. I appreciate it. I think it is optimal to get the ball to bounce so you can move all the way up to the non-valley zone. There are many times when I hit a third shot drop when the player can take it out of the air. When that happens, I stop mid court, do a split step and wait for it, then try to get it to bounce on my fifth shot. If I can't make it on the 5th, I'll try the 7th. Doing what you say is perfectly okay, just make sure you don't hit it too high. I think the key is knowing how effective your third shot is once it comes off your paddle. Thanks for watching.
I agree that balls taken in the air knee level or lower are the hardest to put touch on. If I can't at least put a rolling shot to keep the opponent back I will try to let it bounce but the best ones have just that little pace to make the decision tough .I play with a guy that just constantly attacks the opponent to his right by hitting it to the back hand side within a foot of the line. The opponent either has to let it bounce while backing up and hitting an awkward backhand or take it out of the air with a backhand at shin level which is just a tough shot to hit with touch. it sure sets up a lot of kill shots.
Interesting matchup. Orange Shirt's net play is surprisingly good -- considering the almost Semi-Western grip he uses for everything. (That one point at 13: 50.... Orange did what he should have, by covering the open middle. The smaller White Shirt player simply hit an excellent DTL winner, exploiting Orange's move to cover middle.) Orange's play from the back court is weak. (Well, he he bangs too much, but he seems to have no tactic in mind other than to bang.) He also doesn't move/position well when he's back -- as you pointed-out, Rory. Backward Cap started slowly and played himself into this game. By the 2nd half of the game he was playing with much better touch, movement, positioning and shot selection. In my opinion, it was Backward's improved play which made the overall difference. Black Shirt should get a partner with whom his game better matches.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 😂😂😂 And YOU should be a comedian! I do not have the patience for all the editing I suspect you folks with the good channels have to do. (When I coached HS tennis I'd edit videos of my players' matches. Hardly ever got any sleep those nights...!)
I mostly video myself drilling with my pickleball machine. I will get to it soon. However, I will be out a month. Minor surgery. A new indoor complex is opening in my hometown. I will be playing almost exclusively there. The issue is, most players I play with don't want to be on youtube.
It's interesting that you always have an excuse when people ask you if you have any videos of yourself playing the game. You seem to be very considerate about people not wanting to be on youtube. Only if you were even half considerate about personal attacks on the players, what they wear, your videos would have had some credibility.
One thing the team in white could do better is stop dropping to the opponents' forehands. Dropping to backhand is generally preferable especially when the banger has a strong forehand and mediocre backhand.
The fine print was hard to read. I had no idea what it said. Again, I got two things correct just by seeing the shirt he had on. Number one. He was a banger. Number two. He was the worst player on the court. Thanks for watching and thanks for letting me know. It was promoting beef jerky. I might have to try some of that.
Need more roasting!!! all those drop serves lol. But I’ll say this to people: yeah, you look real silly, but rule #1 put the ball in play every time. Glasses on white team: when he stopped doing the huge looping stroke, he made his shots! Backwards hat: actually had good touch he could replicate…instead of hitting 2 soft shots and then missing his put away quite a few times, continue playing soft! Clearly, the other team would shoot themselves in the foot and usually hit it out or end up making the error….
I’ve played the team in orange and black many times, my partner and I are small ball players. Sometimes we beat them but often they overpower us with their drives and fast hands. It’s super frustrating. Would love to have you analyze our videos, I’m the girl at Hoon Hun pickleball RUclips, thanks for considering😀
There's an argument to be made for a 3rd shot drive being a method to achieve an easier 5th shot. For instance, at 5:30, you claimed that his drive had "no effect". I would argue that it did, in fact, have an effect. The 4th shot landed short, so he SHOULD have had an easier time dropping the ball. Really the only problem here is that he sailed his 5th shot way too high. So... What actually caused the point to be lost was the 5th shot. Not the 4th. If players have a hard time dropping balls from the mid-court, that's another weakness that should be explored and corrected. I get it, most people should master a 3rd shot drop. But that doesn't mean other options are not available to use.
A third shot drive is absolutely an option. But, I think players that can only hit a third shot drive and not a third shot drop are missing out. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment. for your watching.
Some reasonably good play but none of the players is particularly "well rounded" , lots of missed put-aways, shallow serves and returns, and kick-a boy has a 2.0 backhand 😅
Calling a pickleball player a "Banger" is pointing out their weakness not their strength. I enjoy winning so I love playing against bangers. You will never see a high level player that consistently bangs the ball. That is not pickleball. Bangers are only successful against opponents who are afraid of the ball, don't know how to control the pace of a hard-hit ball or don't recognize when the ball is going out and get out of the way. When a player hits a ball too high and their opponent slams it back at their feet or at their non-dominant hip/shoulder or the court on their non-dominant side, that is not a banger, that's a good pickleball player. A banger, IMO, is a player who bangs an unattackable ball. Bangers win when you or your partner gives them an attackable ball. Don't do that.
Surely some valid points in the video but most of it just seems to be bashing more than the feedback. Your points will hold more value if we've better knowledge of your pickleball acumen. Your current 3.5 GPN (self rated) & no DUPR doesn't say much about your pickleball expertise. I saw in bunch of comments that you like to record your game & analyze it, why not put that on your channel as well to bring more credibility. Its not a good thing to make such comments about players by looking at just one game. Nadal bagelled (6-0) Federer in the French Open final if you would be looking at just that one game you would be like Federer is the worse player and why is he even playing the Pro league. But everyone knows that would be the worse assessment ever. I'm hoping your acumen of youtube T&C is better than that of pickleball because if someone wants they can literally have a field day with your channel. I'm saying that because you actually have some decent content on this channel and it will be a shame to lose it all just because of some unnecessary videos like this and a few more on your channel.
It is funny that this commentary is all about fitting the narrative. "As I said even before the match started.." I mean..come on! do you really think people are so naive that they think you are watching this video for the first time when you are commenting? But anyway, who am I to judge you as "I am a mediocre 2.0 player who has lots of ego as she wants to play at a higher level (playing at higher level because of ego and not because we want to get better at the game) as pointed out by you in a "now deleted video".. I wonder why my video got deleted overnight.. did it have anything to do with my logical questions to you or because you realized you stooped down so low in your commentary?
You made some valid points. I just don't want to get an argument with you. I'll stand by what I posted in the video. It was a 4.0 level tournament. And, I think you were playing above your skill level. I pointed out when players pay good money to play against equal competition, it's too bad when they have to face players who are playing up because they think they are better than they are. That's it very plain and simple.
If you stand by what you said, it still doesn't explain why you took the video down.. but again.. what do I know? I am just a girl who is way in over her head.
A great example of why you should be patient on shots and focus on the short game. For me, easier said than done! Thanks.
You're welcome. In the second half of the game, the guys in white stuck to what they knew best and they totally dominated.
Love how you call out the bangers, while still giving them props for fast hands and good shots.
Thanks for that. I appreciate it.
Great commentary and helps me to understand the power of the soft shot and how to read the strength and weakness of the opponents.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your kind compliment.
I enjoy your commentary! After watching a lot of your videos, I now try more and more drops and resets vs. just banging the ball. It's definitely helped my game.
That's awesome! Thanks for watching. I'm glad it helps your game.
Thank you so much for the shout out for my jerky company! We don’t ever like to come in as an intimidating factor but I’ll take that as a blessing in disguise.
You're welcome1 I had no idea it was an advertisement for a jerky company. I could not read the fine print. 4,500 views and counting. I guess you call that FREE advertising.
Awesome analysis at the end. Learning so much about the game by watching these clips. Thx.
You're welcome. Thanks for the nice compliment and thanks for watching.
Rory. I really enjoy your channel. I just started playing pickleball. And it is just a different animal compared to tennis and racquetball. Thanks for all your help.
Awesome! Glad the videos are helping. Best of luck on your pickleball journey.
Awesome! Glad the videos are helping. Best of luck on your pickleball journey.
Team in white did a great job of playing their game and not falling into the game-trap of the other team! Nice!
Great point. A lot of players would have tried to battle it out with the power players. Even though getting behind early, they didn't panic, stayed with their game and dominated the second half of the game.
My analytical brain loves your videos ! Keep up the good work :)
My brain's the same way! Thanks for watching!
I find it interesting that your definition of a successful third shot drop is whether or not the ball bounces. I usually prefer if my third shot drops don’t bounce and they are putting an awkward spot. My definition of a successful third shot drop is one that allows me to close most of the distance to the kitchen. I don’t have to get it all in one shot. Probably a ball that has taken at knee level or lower in the air. Also, the net has never lost yet so better to push the ball a little high than into the net. I would personally prefer over one that bounces. I just wanted to get your opinion on that. Always enjoy your videos.
Thanks for your opinion. I appreciate it. I think it is optimal to get the ball to bounce so you can move all the way up to the non-valley zone. There are many times when I hit a third shot drop when the player can take it out of the air. When that happens, I stop mid court, do a split step and wait for it, then try to get it to bounce on my fifth shot. If I can't make it on the 5th, I'll try the 7th. Doing what you say is perfectly okay, just make sure you don't hit it too high. I think the key is knowing how effective your third shot is once it comes off your paddle. Thanks for watching.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 that’s a good point a lot of it comes down to how well you read your own shot so you know how far to come in
I agree that balls taken in the air knee level or lower are the hardest to put touch on. If I can't at least put a rolling shot to keep the opponent back I will try to let it bounce but the best ones have just that little pace to make the decision tough .I play with a guy that just constantly attacks the opponent to his right by hitting it to the back hand side within a foot of the line. The opponent either has to let it bounce while backing up and hitting an awkward backhand or take it out of the air with a backhand at shin level which is just a tough shot to hit with touch. it sure sets up a lot of kill shots.
Interesting matchup.
Orange Shirt's net play is surprisingly good -- considering the almost Semi-Western grip he uses for everything. (That one point at 13: 50.... Orange did what he should have, by covering the open middle. The smaller White Shirt player simply hit an excellent DTL winner, exploiting Orange's move to cover middle.) Orange's play from the back court is weak. (Well, he he bangs too much, but he seems to have no tactic in mind other than to bang.) He also doesn't move/position well when he's back -- as you pointed-out, Rory.
Backward Cap started slowly and played himself into this game. By the 2nd half of the game he was playing with much better touch, movement, positioning and shot selection. In my opinion, it was Backward's improved play which made the overall difference.
Black Shirt should get a partner with whom his game better matches.
You are really good at this. Maybe you should start a RUclips channel. Thanks for your comments.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 😂😂😂 And YOU should be a comedian!
I do not have the patience for all the editing I suspect you folks with the good channels have to do. (When I coached HS tennis I'd edit videos of my players' matches. Hardly ever got any sleep those nights...!)
Good video.
Thanks for your kind comment.
Very Nice Job!!
Thanks for your kind compliment and thanks for watching.
this channel made me a much better player..Also gives me info on what i need help with..3.0 working on 3.5
That's awesome! I'm glad it's helping you. I really appreciate you watching.
Rory, nice commentary on this match. Do you have videos of competitions and games you’ve participated in?
I mostly video myself drilling with my pickleball machine. I will get to it soon. However, I will be out a month. Minor surgery. A new indoor complex is opening in my hometown. I will be playing almost exclusively there. The issue is, most players I play with don't want to be on youtube.
It's interesting that you always have an excuse when people ask you if you have any videos of yourself playing the game.
You seem to be very considerate about people not wanting to be on youtube. Only if you were even half considerate about personal attacks on the players, what they wear, your videos would have had some credibility.
Kick ACE 😂
Just trying to be polite. Thanks for watching.
Do you know the level for this game?
I think it's 4.0. Thanks for watching.
One thing the team in white could do better is stop dropping to the opponents' forehands. Dropping to backhand is generally preferable especially when the banger has a strong forehand and mediocre backhand.
I always aim my drops and dinks at my opponent's left foot, if they are right-handed. Thanks for watching.
Kickass is a brand of beef jerky that was sponsoring him, not some kind of way to “intimidate” other players. It’s not that serious my guy.
The fine print was hard to read. I had no idea what it said. Again, I got two things correct just by seeing the shirt he had on. Number one. He was a banger. Number two. He was the worst player on the court. Thanks for watching and thanks for letting me know. It was promoting beef jerky. I might have to try some of that.
Need more roasting!!! all those drop serves lol. But I’ll say this to people: yeah, you look real silly, but rule #1 put the ball in play every time.
Glasses on white team: when he stopped doing the huge looping stroke, he made his shots! Backwards hat: actually had good touch he could replicate…instead of hitting 2 soft shots and then missing his put away quite a few times, continue playing soft! Clearly, the other team would shoot themselves in the foot and usually hit it out or end up making the error….
Thanks for watching. You're right, it was not perfect. But it was really, really good.
Somewhere between 3.5 and 3.9
I’ve played the team in orange and black many times, my partner and I are small ball players. Sometimes we beat them but often they overpower us with their drives and fast hands. It’s super frustrating. Would love to have you analyze our videos, I’m the girl at Hoon Hun pickleball RUclips, thanks for considering😀
Thanks for watching and thanks for asking. I'll check out your channel and maybe get to one of your games next week.
5:20 the guy in orange could’ve easily returned that if he had his paddle up instead of down by his side
Yes. I don't understand why some players keep their paddle at their knees. Thanks for pointing out and thanks for watching.
There's an argument to be made for a 3rd shot drive being a method to achieve an easier 5th shot. For instance, at 5:30, you claimed that his drive had "no effect". I would argue that it did, in fact, have an effect. The 4th shot landed short, so he SHOULD have had an easier time dropping the ball. Really the only problem here is that he sailed his 5th shot way too high. So... What actually caused the point to be lost was the 5th shot. Not the 4th. If players have a hard time dropping balls from the mid-court, that's another weakness that should be explored and corrected. I get it, most people should master a 3rd shot drop. But that doesn't mean other options are not available to use.
A third shot drive is absolutely an option. But, I think players that can only hit a third shot drive and not a third shot drop are missing out. Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment. for your watching.
Tournament? If the white team wins, it will be a miracle. Sometimes miracles happen.
Thanks for watching. I'll take the white team's game over the other team's game.
Some reasonably good play but none of the players is particularly "well rounded" , lots of missed put-aways, shallow serves and returns, and kick-a boy has a 2.0 backhand 😅
Thanks for watching. I'd take any of the guys in white as a partner any day.
Rory, the question is, if they would take you as a partner 😂 LOL.
Stop hating on Bangers
Thanks for watching. Just pointing out that the small game can be effective.
Calling a pickleball player a "Banger" is pointing out their weakness not their strength. I enjoy winning so I love playing against bangers. You will never see a high level player that consistently bangs the ball. That is not pickleball.
Bangers are only successful against opponents who are afraid of the ball, don't know how to control the pace of a hard-hit ball or don't recognize when the ball is going out and get out of the way.
When a player hits a ball too high and their opponent slams it back at their feet or at their non-dominant hip/shoulder or the court on their non-dominant side, that is not a banger, that's a good pickleball player.
A banger, IMO, is a player who bangs an unattackable ball.
Bangers win when you or your partner gives them an attackable ball.
Don't do that.
Surely some valid points in the video but most of it just seems to be bashing more than the feedback. Your points will hold more value if we've better knowledge of your pickleball acumen. Your current 3.5 GPN (self rated) & no DUPR doesn't say much about your pickleball expertise. I saw in bunch of comments that you like to record your game & analyze it, why not put that on your channel as well to bring more credibility.
Its not a good thing to make such comments about players by looking at just one game. Nadal bagelled (6-0) Federer in the French Open final if you would be looking at just that one game you would be like Federer is the worse player and why is he even playing the Pro league. But everyone knows that would be the worse assessment ever.
I'm hoping your acumen of youtube T&C is better than that of pickleball because if someone wants they can literally have a field day with your channel. I'm saying that because you actually have some decent content on this channel and it will be a shame to lose it all just because of some unnecessary videos like this and a few more on your channel.
That's your comment. You are correct. It is a small simple size.
It is funny that this commentary is all about fitting the narrative. "As I said even before the match started.." I mean..come on! do you really think people are so naive that they think you are watching this video for the first time when you are commenting?
But anyway, who am I to judge you as "I am a mediocre 2.0 player who has lots of ego as she wants to play at a higher level (playing at higher level because of ego and not because we want to get better at the game) as pointed out by you in a "now deleted video"..
I wonder why my video got deleted overnight.. did it have anything to do with my logical questions to you or because you realized you stooped down so low in your commentary?
You made some valid points. I just don't want to get an argument with you. I'll stand by what I posted in the video. It was a 4.0 level tournament. And, I think you were playing above your skill level. I pointed out when players pay good money to play against equal competition, it's too bad when they have to face players who are playing up because they think they are better than they are. That's it very plain and simple.
If you stand by what you said, it still doesn't explain why you took the video down.. but again.. what do I know? I am just a girl who is way in over her head.