NBA 2K1 Sega Dreamcast Gameplay

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  • Опубликовано: 23 янв 2025

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  • @aboogie2300
    @aboogie2300 12 лет назад +119

    I wanna cry when i watch this i just miss being 11 years old with no worries coming home from school playing basketball at the courts then coming in the house and play this all night miss the old days

  • @tudorcretu7976
    @tudorcretu7976 8 лет назад +317

    The graphics are so good for the year 2000

  • @RDSports5
    @RDSports5 7 лет назад +62

    Amazing how good this looked considering it came out 17 years ago.. Man, Dreamcast was a powerful and underrated little machine.

    • @Tripz_UK
      @Tripz_UK 2 года назад +1

      22 years now

    • @zm_assmcgee8404
      @zm_assmcgee8404 Год назад +2

      💪🏾 sega went all out and made games on this system high definition as possible they knew that the fact that this will be last console idk how people talk shit about this system for most people like myself is still underrated

    • @RDSports5
      @RDSports5 Год назад

      @@zm_assmcgee8404 It may be the most underrated system of all time! I think I'd actually put it there really, especially considering it was Sega's last console. There was plenty of hype building up, especially with their 9.9.99 campaign, but rarely did systems actually live up to the hype, and then exceed it in my opinion. The Dreamcast for its time was really ahead of its time by a good 7 or 8 years. I think that highly of its sound, graphics, and gameplay capabilities

    • @LucaDaBazooka
      @LucaDaBazooka Год назад +1

      @@Tripz_UK23 now

    • @outerspaceman7534
      @outerspaceman7534 3 месяца назад +1

      I remember when I got this day one. I wasn’t a huge basketball game fan since the only ones I had played at the time were NBA Jam (good but not realistic and was not deep), and Super Slam Dunk (pretty bad) but I heard great things about the first one was good and wanted a sports game so I picked this up. It was awesome.

  • @cward8877
    @cward8877 9 лет назад +113

    Dreamcast was amazing.

    • @w0nd3r6
      @w0nd3r6 5 лет назад

      Yeah so amazing it lasted less then 2 years..........

    • @w0nd3r6
      @w0nd3r6 5 лет назад

      So amazing that most 3rd party's didnt wanna make games for it EA being one of them

    • @w0nd3r6
      @w0nd3r6 5 лет назад

      Fuck off with this system was amazing.. I know nostalgia is a powerful drug but come on

    • @w0nd3r6
      @w0nd3r6 5 лет назад

      @Joey Ford WOW the fact that this system was a fail that killed off sega in consoles is not trolling fuck head or are you to stupid to notices the deadcast was a failure of a system

    • @w0nd3r6
      @w0nd3r6 5 лет назад

      @Joey Ford No one is trolling here fuck head When you have a company like EA not caring to release there games on your system.. i CALL THAT A FAIL fuck turd

  • @TRJ2241987
    @TRJ2241987 11 лет назад +53

    This game also had an incredible attention to detail that none of the later games had. For instance zoom in closely on Allen Iverson's middle fingers and he is wearing finger bands that crystal clear have #3 on them. Reggie Miller had his trademark armband, Tyrone Hill has his fingers taped up, Scottie Pippen has a "PIP" elbow pad. You never saw that type of stuff before and you actually don't see those little details in any of the current games! The facial expressions in these games were really groundbreaking as well though NBA Courtside 2 for N64 also featured amazing facial likenesses with moving features. There is a lot about these games to appriciate

  • @imREALino
    @imREALino 11 лет назад +236

    For those saying this is "crap". Think twice. Show respect. Cause without nba 2k or nba 2k1...we will never have nba 2k14. Just saying.
    And it is not too bad considering how old this gameplay is.

    • @kay9ine123
      @kay9ine123 10 лет назад +4

      Why does that matter? If we never had nba 2k14, who cares? There is Nba live 14.

    • @diarraleone
      @diarraleone 10 лет назад +28

      people fail to realize these graphics were better than live at the time

    • @JS-ym1tp
      @JS-ym1tp 10 лет назад +5

      diarraleone They were. This game was really good for its time. Obviously compared to the games we have today, it's nothing. But back then it was amazing.

    • @xxwhatevahxx
      @xxwhatevahxx 9 лет назад +5

      kay nine Because if we had NBA Live 14 then we would have nothing, shitty game. NBA 2K > NBA Live.

    • @ronnie2k522
      @ronnie2k522 9 лет назад +1

      imREALino You mean 2k15....

  • @coolyo2163798
    @coolyo2163798 9 лет назад +88

    The crowd hasn't changed in 15 years! Lol

  • @SeriousDonnie
    @SeriousDonnie 11 лет назад +11

    I remember when I got my dreamcast back in 2001. Man I had all the 2k games. Basketball, football and hockey. That was the best system that came out. Plus the first one that went online. I had the limited edition black one. That was gaming back then because you had friends over your house instead of talking on a headset.

  • @namae8
    @namae8 3 года назад +4

    Man I was born in the early 2000s but my uncle gave me his Dreamcast as a hand me down and I grew up playing 2K1, Virtua Tennis, and Soul Calibur like all the time. I actually still have the Dreamcast but I just don’t play with it anymore. Memories

  • @LanceJ.
    @LanceJ. 5 лет назад +10

    You knew it was legendary when you heard Redman’s Da Goodness.

  • @CallOutsTv
    @CallOutsTv Год назад +3

    The evolution of 2k series throughout the years is amazing, crazy to think 2k games 🎮 would explode globally 💯

  • @JBHAYES
    @JBHAYES 5 лет назад +27

    It looks outdated now but when this game came out it looked so real

  • @Technibility
    @Technibility 7 лет назад +8

    That spin move with Iverson or Kobe was such a cheese. You can score 70 with 4 minute quarters with just that move lol. Loved this game on Dreamcast. Classic indeed.

  • @ljvue
    @ljvue 10 месяцев назад +1

    The best basketball game ever made. Garnett was the best player at 99 overall. His defense was superb.

  • @A-m-K
    @A-m-K 10 лет назад +31

    Im sure people who didnt experience NB2K (the very first NBA2K game, which is for dc only) at its release could never imagine how it felt like to play the game at that time. It was such a leap forwards, not only the phenomenal graphics, but also the fantastic gameplay.
    NBA2K1 was obviously improved and also a bombastic experience, especially with the newly added online mode.

    • @timothyjenkins851
      @timothyjenkins851 9 лет назад +4

      man u so right it was a different time even with the commentators were better

    • @futuregohan4837
      @futuregohan4837 6 лет назад +1

      This Was The Last Game To Feature The Vancouver Grizzlies Starting In NBA 2K2 They Were The Memphis Grizzlies

    • @bigstv15
      @bigstv15 5 лет назад

      Yeah back when I rented this game as a kid, the graphics were so amazing to me and I thought it was real life lol. It was so crazy to have the legends in the game too like Dr j, bird etc, a street ball mode and just all around more realistic gameplay than what live was doing at the time. I was a 2k fan ever since.

  • @marcstankus9866
    @marcstankus9866 11 лет назад +3

    Still proves you can have 1 song and be better than most soundtracks out today during these games. These games were great.

  • @eazyd34
    @eazyd34 11 лет назад +4

    These were the best years of my life. This video makes me happy and sad.

  • @matthewbell2788
    @matthewbell2788 10 лет назад +9

    Played this game religiously

  • @dontv2949
    @dontv2949 8 лет назад +15

    the dramcast was a game breaking system

  • @javiersauceda801
    @javiersauceda801 10 лет назад +145

    Still better than nba live 14

    • @bobndomleonardi
      @bobndomleonardi 9 лет назад +1

      Imperfect Cell セル no joke this Is more fun to play

    • @evanpetelle8198
      @evanpetelle8198 9 лет назад +2

      True in live everyone looks like plastic

    • @Millz570
      @Millz570 7 лет назад +3

      Javier Sauceda yup

    • @ngrovio7770
      @ngrovio7770 6 лет назад +5

      Still better than fortnite

  • @rileyn.3883
    @rileyn.3883 8 лет назад +74

    shaq made a freethrow????? is this a fake video?????

    • @crews-lj3ph
      @crews-lj3ph 8 лет назад

      well no

    • @pinokiyo
      @pinokiyo 8 лет назад +2

      Freethrow system is way too easy for this game.

    • @iidenzelshawty1863
      @iidenzelshawty1863 8 лет назад +2

      ikr

    • @robbereal1982
      @robbereal1982 6 лет назад

      Riley N. Somebody needs to go back and watch shaq hit them when it counted in the 3pt run including 9 for 9 in gm4 of the western conference finals in 2000.

    • @ace-x6m
      @ace-x6m 6 лет назад

      Smoove

  • @TRJ2241987
    @TRJ2241987 11 лет назад +2

    It feels like yesterday that I got this and the keyboard for Christmas 2000 and we were up all night playing online console basketball for the first time ever, so fun! The one thing I really miss about these old games is that you could swing your elbows when you came down with a rebound and could literally clear people to the ground without getting a foul called lol. NBA 2K2 was also awesome, the Dreamcast games were so great. Miles ahead of basketball games before it. The series lost its way for quite a while on Xbox/PS2 but it became really good again with NBA 2K11.

  • @meganfoxyou
    @meganfoxyou 10 лет назад +30

    2k shouldn't have taken out the starting lineup introductions

    • @dirtygloveoj
      @dirtygloveoj 5 лет назад +7

      Esquivalience they didnt u jus skipit

  • @hughjass40
    @hughjass40 3 года назад +2

    man the first few 2ks had the best immersive and heartfelt intros. the devs/editors really wanted the gamer to experience the NBA rather than just a video game in of itself. fast foward 20 years and they have gotten rid of any sort of cinematic intros/highlight reels on the game start up :/ the early 2ks were art in its purest and simplest form. no fancy gimmicks, pay to win/play to earn, just a homey, feel-good basketball video game type vibe. start up 2k3 and you'll see what im talking about. the presentation is great and makes you feel like you're at ESPN or somethin

  • @birdman4birdlegs
    @birdman4birdlegs 9 лет назад +3

    I remember going to Epcot at Disneyworld and they had a Sega centre where you could play dreamcast genesis games.. the first time I saw NBA 2k as a kid I pretty much soiled myself at the graphics ;)

  • @bettlejuice3669
    @bettlejuice3669 3 года назад +2

    good old days

  • @VeryFahad
    @VeryFahad 8 лет назад +6

    Yoooooooooo this intro was godly

  • @Chris-rn1xc
    @Chris-rn1xc 8 месяцев назад +2

    Takes me back to summer of 2001.

  • @gongshow3133
    @gongshow3133 11 лет назад +29

    Why are you showing nba live 14 gameplay?

  • @chorizolmao5246
    @chorizolmao5246 3 года назад +2

    The game has changed so much

  • @Antonio_Todd
    @Antonio_Todd 3 года назад +3

    This game was the shit! Best basketball video gane before nba live 2003 lol 😆

  • @bruceleeroy8302
    @bruceleeroy8302 2 года назад +1

    Dreamcast was fire! We’ve come such a long way graphic wise though. I doubt this was even played on a flat screen tv

  • @biesjo
    @biesjo 10 лет назад +4

    Hey for those who were around in the nineties this was the best graphics I have ever seen and it took over ps1 and n64 even the dunk animations were really good I mean NBA 2k 1 was an awesome game then NBA live until I think NBA live 03 and 04 was good as well I hope they manufacture another Dreamcast cause the graphics were so awesome

    • @myretroworld1121
      @myretroworld1121 5 лет назад

      Yes it was better,but the Dreamcast was considered 6th gen,not 5th gen like PS1 or 64. Sega rushed the release of the Dreamcast costing them in the end.

    • @jonathanwashington9199
      @jonathanwashington9199 2 года назад

      @@myretroworld1121 It Also Forced Sega Out Of The Console Market Due To That Blunder

  • @devinbooker2567
    @devinbooker2567 4 года назад +1

    Crazy how Vince Carter still in the league in 2020

  • @jerryngoma6214
    @jerryngoma6214 10 лет назад +3

    LOL. This was my first Game Ever. Dang I miss my childhood

  • @getfitron155
    @getfitron155 2 года назад +1

    Man this game was so good I loved Dreamcast I still have mine

  • @petrusamp7792
    @petrusamp7792 8 лет назад +8

    the commentary in this game was pioneering.

  • @Facts-cj8bp
    @Facts-cj8bp 3 года назад +2

    This game was ahead of its time for real lol

  • @familyguyblows
    @familyguyblows 6 лет назад +4

    Loved sports games on the Dreamcast. They looked way better than the Ps1 or the N64.

    • @JM-tj5qm
      @JM-tj5qm Год назад

      The Dreamcast was much more powerful than both those consoles, so yeah

  • @Sega_is_all_i_cd
    @Sega_is_all_i_cd 3 года назад +1

    I still play this and nba 2k! Great games. Nba 2k is better to me than 2k1.

  • @edgar0415
    @edgar0415 12 лет назад +3

    bring back memories when i use to play till 6 in the morning lol

  • @magvs_mæstro216
    @magvs_mæstro216 Год назад +2

    A decade before smart phones

  • @aaronredd6870
    @aaronredd6870 8 лет назад +3

    Memories I tell you. Were going wayyyyy back and 2k17 finna come out in october

  • @kevinalford2165
    @kevinalford2165 Год назад +1

    Everything about this game is fantastic!

  • @dylanhickman3359
    @dylanhickman3359 11 лет назад +7

    Sad thing is this was made 10 years ago and it still looks like nba live 14 haha.. If anyone bought nba live I feel sorry for you nba 2k on Xbox one is sweet!!

  • @EpiCz_Izzy
    @EpiCz_Izzy 12 лет назад

    Just bought a Dreamcast on eBay for my son's 10th birthday so that he can experience the same love I had for my favorite console ever. Awesome memories of playing this online.

  • @itstruetothegame6041
    @itstruetothegame6041 8 лет назад +3

    my favorite game of all time...

  • @noobroblox1409
    @noobroblox1409 Год назад +1

    I mean I would play this
    This is really good for a game made in 2000

  • @MPzzy26
    @MPzzy26 9 лет назад +9

    you can see the potential in this game even back then. 2k has great SIM fundamentals the cheesers ruin it

  • @johnjirvin
    @johnjirvin 8 лет назад +2

    This was my favorite game when it came out and I wish we could still play at the street courts!

  • @dmike1238
    @dmike1238 9 лет назад +3

    My first 2k ever.

  • @Cristian-vm1bg
    @Cristian-vm1bg 7 лет назад

    it still looks good. dreamcast is just legendary. NBA should be on its knees for sega making its sport more popular

  • @keahivenus
    @keahivenus 8 лет назад +6

    Oh Kobe playing his final game today

    • @freeva8704
      @freeva8704 3 года назад

      Rest in peace #kobe

    • @jaywikie
      @jaywikie 2 года назад

      damn bruh. 😕

  • @ImNHTV
    @ImNHTV 11 месяцев назад +1

    Some of the dunk animations are better than today 😂

  • @SuperBardock
    @SuperBardock 10 лет назад +26

    Is this live 14?

    • @dxpoopoo1
      @dxpoopoo1 10 лет назад +1

      2k1

    • @pallida5415
      @pallida5415 10 лет назад +2

      wtf hahahahahha live 14 way from 2001 wich im not born yet hahahahahaha

    • @SuperBardock
      @SuperBardock 10 лет назад +7

      Just saying the graphics for live 14 are horrible

  • @Jocinetu
    @Jocinetu 13 лет назад +1

    this is a game that I'm fall in love on first sight. 2K put some serious amount of new stuff in virtual basketball games. first you notice, back then, is signature moves/dunks for players depending what position they are play. for example centers have power hammer slams, but lower guys have better agility and can pull reverse, 360', windmills etc. very satisfying if you ask me. also they introduce signature tattoos, shoes and more. thank you 2k

  • @halo4019
    @halo4019 10 лет назад +12

    so this is what people played 14 years ago

  • @LikeAGentlemanPlease
    @LikeAGentlemanPlease 4 года назад

    Bruh! I had the black Dreamcast day 1 and had nba2k and 2k1. The whole neighbor thought it looked real back then. I miss them days.

  • @JackDaScarecrow
    @JackDaScarecrow 12 лет назад +4

    it was all our young eyes knew shit I remember when I thought NBA Courtside on the 64 looked amazing....

  • @infectedjinjer
    @infectedjinjer 8 лет назад +1

    2k needs to add the player intros and the action replays cause on these original games those look awesome and cool af

  • @JrocDaBx
    @JrocDaBx 8 лет назад +36

    Still better than Live 16

    • @R2theawesomeJ
      @R2theawesomeJ 8 лет назад +2

      +Waffling Mars People are just 2K bandwagoners

    • @Koiza
      @Koiza 8 лет назад +1

      +R2theawesomeJ Stfu.

    • @jordann2383
      @jordann2383 8 лет назад +1

      rite lol😂😂😂

    • @Swaggyk1
      @Swaggyk1 8 лет назад

      😂

    • @crews-lj3ph
      @crews-lj3ph 8 лет назад +1

      +That Guy 215 mad

  • @-FA-
    @-FA- 11 лет назад +1

    I wish 2k still had player introductions like this, at least for key games and allstar games

  • @MOONZAY
    @MOONZAY 8 лет назад +7

    Kobe final game yesterday he will be missed #60

  • @daelinproudmore5068
    @daelinproudmore5068 3 года назад +1

    This might be the first game that licensed actual music. The upgrade from 2k was big. I loved this game. My grizzlies season....2000 gone, dreamcast gone, and Vancouver Grizzlies gone. :( I graded in 2000, it's been 21 years since high school.....so sad.

  • @birdman4birdlegs
    @birdman4birdlegs 11 лет назад +4

    Still going to be better than live 14 :)

  • @Jehzaa65
    @Jehzaa65 2 года назад

    WAUUUU! how things evolve things seeing this eleven years after 2022.

  • @xXGaminghereXx
    @xXGaminghereXx 9 лет назад +43

    Such an unrealistic game. Not talking graphics wise, just saying cause Shaq actually makes free throws in this game.

  • @chrismanning2433
    @chrismanning2433 7 лет назад

    I bought a dreamcast just for this game. It was the best basketball game at the time. Much better than NBA Live. It still looks pretty decent even 18 years later.

  • @aaronredd6870
    @aaronredd6870 8 лет назад +3

    DANG!!!!! this is old!!!

  • @LucaDaBazooka
    @LucaDaBazooka Год назад +1

    Perfect game. Still now

  • @Airjordany2k
    @Airjordany2k 11 лет назад +19

    Ea, i suggest you look at this video for ideas for nba live 15

  • @JorgeCampos-xy6kt
    @JorgeCampos-xy6kt 10 месяцев назад +1

    When Kobe was Shaqs sidekick. Good times. 😢

    • @rafaelmeza725
      @rafaelmeza725 2 месяца назад

      Never a side kick, just 2 alphas 😎💯👍💜💛🐍

    • @JorgeCampos-xy6kt
      @JorgeCampos-xy6kt 2 месяца назад

      @rafaelmeza725 Kobe was Shaqs sidekick. Stop the 🧢.

    • @rafaelmeza725
      @rafaelmeza725 2 месяца назад

      @@JorgeCampos-xy6kt never in a million years bird brain 🤡🤣 last time I checked kobe won 5 championships compared to shaqs 4 lol. Shaq needed kobe more than kobe needed him. No cap 😎💜💛🐍💯

    • @JorgeCampos-xy6kt
      @JorgeCampos-xy6kt 2 месяца назад

      @@rafaelmeza725 Shaq 3 finals mvps. Nice try. After Shaq left Kobe cried to leave LA so they had to bring him three quality Bigs to win again. Nice try though

    • @JorgeCampos-xy6kt
      @JorgeCampos-xy6kt 2 месяца назад

      @@rafaelmeza725 and to add. Shaq plus any top 5 SGs at the time would have equaled rings. Nice try though

  • @290iloveu
    @290iloveu 8 лет назад +7

    live was lit from 2003 to 2006 after that trash

    • @dontv2949
      @dontv2949 8 лет назад +3

      nba live 2010 was the best live

  • @hdelmas1
    @hdelmas1 4 года назад +2

    Rest In Power Kobe.

  • @majorzachariktb2082
    @majorzachariktb2082 9 лет назад +11

    I'm watching this in 2016

  • @mackmzle
    @mackmzle 4 года назад

    Remember playing this when i was a kid.

  • @kay9ine123
    @kay9ine123 10 лет назад +11

    dont see any improvement from this game to 2k14. in fact, this game is better.

    • @telvinbeauregard
      @telvinbeauregard 10 лет назад +18

      Smh the things crack will do to people...

    • @kay9ine123
      @kay9ine123 10 лет назад +1

      Telvin Beauregard It was an exaggeration I agree, but I was just saying 2k gameplay is pretty bad nowadays.

    • @telvinbeauregard
      @telvinbeauregard 10 лет назад

      Ppl like u should just keep their ps1

    • @kay9ine123
      @kay9ine123 10 лет назад

      Telvin Beauregard I still have my ps1.

    • @telvinbeauregard
      @telvinbeauregard 10 лет назад

      Lol ok well enjoy your system, I personally hate ps1 and ps2

  • @QUiNTiNBANKSMUSiC
    @QUiNTiNBANKSMUSiC 13 лет назад

    NiCE ,, IM PLAYING NBA 2k11 NOW!
    its nice to see the improvements they have made, and how far they became!
    kudoss

  • @jalin1099
    @jalin1099 11 лет назад +3

    loooks like nba live

  • @iNiCY33
    @iNiCY33 12 лет назад

    man. i spent so much time playing this. the memorys.

  • @ymgzay3903
    @ymgzay3903 8 лет назад +6

    At leAst it's better than 2k17

  • @natnaelberhanu-i8w
    @natnaelberhanu-i8w 3 года назад +1

    Just got my Dreamcast Christmas gift yesterday. But I will say 2k1 on all star level is way harder than 2k on all star level. Probably the sliders are different because an inside scorer will always get his shot blocked on all star level

  • @ShaneArnoldAF
    @ShaneArnoldAF 5 лет назад

    This was a huge leap forward in game mechanics and graphics at the time. It almost didn’t seem real. I don’t think we have had such a graphical leap yet. Playing online was a blast. This is and PSO for Dreamcast stole my teen years. I loved this system.

  • @tekkenbich33221
    @tekkenbich33221 13 лет назад

    u really make the best videos at dreamcast gameplay

  • @xMindInfliction718x
    @xMindInfliction718x 12 лет назад

    this is where it all started for me....2k has been good to me ever since

  • @ChidorivsRasengan3
    @ChidorivsRasengan3 11 лет назад

    My first time ever seeing 2k1 and I have to say that was one of the most greatest bball games of all time

  • @alternate15
    @alternate15 5 лет назад +1

    My childhood memories

  • @torres3800
    @torres3800 7 лет назад +1

    I remember in 2001 how "jaw dropping" that basketball in the loading screen looked. After seeing NBA live 06 on the 360. That made pre 2005 games look dated. I'm was like, "you can see the sweat!!!!"

  • @Barry15798
    @Barry15798 25 дней назад

    Este juego para ese año era bestial, definitivamente dreamcast dió un paso de gigante en esa época 🔥

  • @KameronM1234
    @KameronM1234 13 лет назад

    WHOA....This was considered revolutionary when it came out and here it is 10 years later 2k11 technology and expectations....time have changed and im a kid

    • @yaz5236
      @yaz5236 4 года назад

      Guess your not a kid no more

  • @miamiheatles2784
    @miamiheatles2784 7 лет назад +1

    that intro brings me back

  • @Revenant_Ad
    @Revenant_Ad 11 лет назад

    this was the greatest game back in the day brings back memory

  • @ikramhus7958
    @ikramhus7958 4 года назад +2

    Anyone from 2020 quarantine 👀

  • @Xuzial
    @Xuzial 13 лет назад

    I still like this game better than some of the previous 2K titles (Excluding the last 2) Those are on point. I've played every single 2K game and own them all.

  • @jpowers55
    @jpowers55 14 лет назад

    I never had a DC but my friends had one. The console was ahead of its time. Having said that nba 2k3 was the best.

  • @aivisionart
    @aivisionart 11 месяцев назад

    I remember back in sept 2001 when I was playing pvp online and used Rasheed Wallace to swat an alley oop, that KG was about to throw down, into the stands. My buddy, who witnessed it while chilling in my living room, still talks about it to this day, haha.

  • @Jocinetu
    @Jocinetu 12 лет назад

    this game was worth of buying Sega Dreamcast back then. i play this all day long.

  • @tonygant2448
    @tonygant2448 6 лет назад

    The dreamcast was ahead of it's time! Wow!

  • @simasboykgaming
    @simasboykgaming 5 лет назад

    I remember playing this with my big bro. Ah memories...

  • @Numba1SouthParkFan
    @Numba1SouthParkFan 11 лет назад

    Those were top notch graphics back in the day. And they still don't look to bad even today